Bleach 360 "Shock of The Queen" Spoilers and Discussion

[Quirkygrl]

This is what I assume is happening, at this point. But I think them being alive may be part of a bigger, Aizen-related reveal later on (it's an illusion, limiting their power, something to that effect). So we'll think that they might be dead for a few more chapters...or maybe even to the end of the Stark and Shunsui fight. Maybe.

Or Kubo could really be rushing things and have them simply dead. Who knows?

Maybe Aizen is not worried because he can resurrect the fallen Espada after all the Captains and VCs have all been exhausted.

[Black Kaiser]

What more does barragan need to do before he dies? Firing a cero and revealing his rank are pretty much that he needs to do. Then he can die in piece.

Maybe using his proclamed more powerfull technique or more techiques than respira or using his gran caida ? Same with Harribel. I'd find very dissapointing if both of the 2nd and 3rd espada are one-shoted. That would be completely anti-climatic.
Also it would be interesting to see the captain's reactions on the verge of defeat.

[Chronus]

If there is on thing Kubo is consistent with the espada it's: it is not over till the fat lady sings. There is not singing yet for espada 2 and 3. By singing I mean, clear and cut they aren't going to be fighting anymore type moment. Ulquiorra got his by vanishing. Nnoi went out of is release and lay cut in half to boot. Grimmjow got the same treatment ironically from Nnoi who got the same he did to Grimmjow from Kenpachi. Zommari vanished. Szayel got Mayuri'd. Aaroniro just got dead.

I don't think espada 2 or 3 are anywhere near the points of the end of the other fights.

Yes. Also, when an Ice attack kills a target, it usually happens with the frozen target breaking into little frozen pieces, like D-Roy, or Luppi's tentacles, or et cetera...

If you just trap someone in a frozen cube, that earns nothing more but time. Precedents are numerous for this too, just take Rukia freezing Grimmjow for example.

With this, it is absolutely 100% that Harribel is not dead, untill Kubo clearly states it above the 4th wall. And as for Barragan, lazor attacks never killed anyone in Bleach, neither in any other shounen, ever.

That's just something that everyone survives. Finishing blows are allways diagonal, decapitating, or body-severing cuts... or in case of magic, igniting fire, ice that breaks your body apart, lightning that shoucks you to death, or boulders falling on you.

Ceros, lazos beams, energy balls, and wind element attacks (unless used for enchanting a shwordfight) are utterly useless out of the sheer reason that they just can't be drawn in a way to be look more awesome/dramatical/cool than any of the mentioned other regular methods up here. Or at least in the opinion of the mangakas.

So simply saying, the Espada might die, we can't really be sure about that, but not from techniques like these. That one is sure.

[Quadro]

Actually to be more realistic there is only few animals that survive from being totally deepfreezed.. i.e if human is deepfreezed, human that have been freezed dies because cold kills all cells. Buuut can't except that it applys in Bleach.. Remember Rukia freezing Grimmjow "Did you think freezing only 1 layer of my skin kills me?" He said something like that.. We can expect she protected her body with reiatsu before she was was totally freezed. Or she died but her aspect it sacrifice and it doesn't matter if she die one time (some freaky technique?)

[Chronus]

realistic (...) Bleach

...I'll just pretend I didn't actually read that. By true logic, half the cast should be dead or cripled now, thanks to massive blood losses, insurvivable cuts, or elemental attacks. Don't forget this is fantasy we are talking about. And one that lays more heavily on how cool things should look, than on actual logic.

Remember Rukia freezing Grimmjow "Did you think freezing only 1 layer of my skin kills me?" He said something like that.

That is all that matters.

Ice allways kills by freezing you then breaking you apart. That special type of ice death is one of the oldest tropes in the genre. Wether it be because the audience wouldn't believe that somebody is truely dead beacause of that unless this happens (because characters here survive unbelievably more fatal injuries than that every day), or because of some other reason, but this is like golden law.

Of course, Soifon's LoLRocketLauncher is something complely different, but characters hardly die from things like that too, because it's anticlimatic, thus mangakas tend to prefer the allways-working, diagonal, decapitating or body-severing cuts. Even Ceros only do fatal damage that way, check Ichigo vs Ulq (though this might be an exception because he regened back), or Grimmjow owning Luppi and Loli.

An attack with a great explosion like this tend to do a full body damage. The maximum limit of what a Full Body Damage can do is what Shinji's Cero did to Grimmjow. If Kubo planned any inner skeletal looks for Barragan, this is the good way to get his big black robe blown off, otherwise... he's not over by this. It's unlikely beyond belief.

Shit like this is not fatal in this genre, Bleach isn't an exeption either, you all know how Bosses die. Diagonal cuts people, in the end it's allways just swords.

The neverending, never-logical, "katanas are allways superior" rule.

Only small fries die from kidou.

[daisekihan]

With this, it is absolutely 100% that Harribel is not dead, untill Kubo clearly states it above the 4th wall. And as for Barragan, lazor attacks never killed anyone in Bleach, neither in any other shounen, ever.

That's just something that everyone survives. Finishing blows are allways diagonal, decapitating, or body-severing cuts... or in case of magic, igniting fire, ice that breaks your body apart, lightning that shoucks you to death, or boulders falling on you.

Ceros, lazos beams, energy balls, and wind element attacks (unless used for enchanting a shwordfight) are utterly useless out of the sheer reason that they just can't be drawn in a way to be look more awesome/dramatical/cool than any of the mentioned other regular methods up here. Or at least in the opinion of the mangakas.

Uuuuuh....tell that to Ichigo's heart. Or his left shoulder (Byakurai-ed) And Ulquiorra's lower body. Or Luppi's whole body.

And as for other manga: all one needs to say to this is, Kamehameha. Then you can add Yusuke's Spirit Gun, Kizaru's beams, and for a wind-based attack, Fuuton Rasenshuriken. I'm mentioning this only because I do think there is precedent, both it Bleach and other shonen series, for energy blast attacks being used to defeat opponents. I would say, though, that Barragan probably won't be finished off by just one of these.

[Chronus]

Uuuuuh....tell that to Ichigo's heart. Or his left shoulder (Byakurai-ed) And Ulquiorra's lower body. Or Luppi's whole body.

And as for other manga: all one needs to say to this is, Kamehameha. Then you can add Yusuke's Spirit Gun, Kizaru's beams, and for a wind-based attack, Fuuton Rasenshuriken. I'm mentioning this only because I do think there is precedent, both it Bleach and other shonen series, for energy blast attacks being used to defeat opponents. I would say, though, that Barragan probably won't be finished off by just one of these.

Ichigo kinda survived that though, somehow, because he was friggin' thinking while laying on the ground. Same with Ulquiorra, and who important did Grimmjow Ceroed down? Luppi who lived for like 5 chapters maybe? The chicks he got down got rezzed by Hime too (thinking about it, wh didn't they rez Luppi with her? Whatever...) ,so plotwise they didn't die from it, they died from Yammi punching them like bugs.

As for the non-Bleach examples:

Spoiler!

FRS is technically just a cook-looking shuriken. It's technically a weapon, not a beam. Nothing like what Soifon used. The matter is the looks, and those are words apart. As for Spirit Gun, "no one dies in Yu Yu Hakusho". Or if they do, they are as fodder as regular Hollows here. Or if they are not, it is technically the only weapon he has, so it's the example of the one exception to the rule. But I don't recall Kizaru finishing someone importat off with his beams.

Long story short... We are talking about "finishing someone off with an energy tech", and not "how useful energy techs are".

My point still stands. Overly big explosions like this tend to do less damage than Ururu could to any of the preset enemies here.

And ice prisons are still not fatal, even if energy beams rarely are.

[Ozehro]

Ceros, lazos beams, energy balls, and wind element attacks (unless used for enchanting a shwordfight) are utterly useless out of the sheer reason that they just can't be drawn in a way to be look more awesome/dramatical/cool than any of the mentioned other regular methods up here. Or at least in the opinion of the mangakas.

watch DBZ! you can draw the person melting and eveaporating
or their bodies blowing up to pieces with energy attacks.lol.
but yeah regardless I agree with you that bara and harri have a big chance of surviving.

[Miyona]

Well technically they can still be alive....

you know...Barragan could be at the beginning of next chapter with smoke coming out of his body, say something stupid, then die : D

[anya7890]

well barragan wil definalty survive i` mean it would be titally stupid if he died in one shot i`m sure he`ll be fine.