Human Trafficers and Sexual Offenders. Should they be put to death?

[Bankiayo]

death = the easy way out of them, rot them in jail.

[bradc]

Human traffickers should be put to death for abduction, but in realistic perspective, and in most cases the missing person will be dead, or having organs remove to be sold to black markets... etc before you can even arrest these people.

Sexual offenders, not much different from human traffickers, if you don't wind up dead after they rape you, or which ever comes first.

[Bankiayo]

Human traffickers should be put to death for abduction, but in realistic perspective, and in most cases the missing person will be dead, or having organs remove to be sold to black markets... etc before you can even arrest these people.

Sexual offenders, not much different from human traffickers, if you don't wind up dead after they rape you, or which ever comes first.

like i said before giving them the death penalty would be the easy way out for them, just rot them in jail until they die there, killing them would make you a murderer too.

but i can also understand your point and where your coming from.

[Ozehro]

How is this thread different from the death penalty thread?
It's extremely tragic that such an innocent individual had suffered like that,
but I'm still against the death penalty. If you declare murder as evil, then it
remains evil no matter what your reasons are. Therefore it's something we
as society should not engage in. Life in prison is the better sentence imo.
Contain them away from society.

[BleachOD]

Because we aren't debating the death penality. In US. It's allowed so the debate is not whether or not it should be

It's specifically tailored for Human Traffickers because the victims end up dead more times than not. Same thing with sexual offenders....a person that molest children shouldn't be allowed to live. If I could...I would kill them all and wouldn't feel a bit of remorse for it.

I want to know if those who believe in death...believe that they should also face the death penalty and not just people who "murder". In my eyes they are as guilty as the people they pedal to that actually murder the victim after committing all kind of depraved acts and torture...

I don't think any victims thought that their deaths were "easy" or "just" so why should those bastards be allowed the easy way out by living...

The reason I started this thread..after selling her own child. Do you think she'd hesitate to sell yours. She's as guilty as those who murdered her little girl. She should die for it...

This is not because I cried all week over it. I cried because I can't do anything about it and somewhere another kid is suffering and the reason it's so because it's business and they aren't punished for doing it....not like they should be. DEATH TO EM ALL.

[Ozehro]

Because we aren't debating the death penality. In US. It's allowed so the debate is not whether or not it should be

It's specifically tailored for Human Traffickers because the victims end up dead more times than not. Same thing with sexual offenders....a person that molest children shouldn't be allowed to live. If I could...I would kill them all and wouldn't feel a bit of remorse for it.

which are the characteristics of a murderer.
Which is why society should strive for higher standards.
The law shouldn't be used to appease one's anger and frustrations.
It would be irresponsible. The best the law could do is to contain them
away from society.

I want to know if those who believe in death...believe that they should also face the death penalty and not just people who "murder". In my eyes they are as guilty as the people they pedal to that actually murder the victim after committing all kind of depraved acts and torture...

There's no arguing the depraved nature of these crimes.
but just coming up with a death penalty is irresponsible and
a cop out. Our goal should be about preventing these kinds of
crimes. And that takes addressing the social and economical
issues that lead to this sort of events. Was it possible for the state
to act early and take the child in to state care? perhaps we should
empower that sort of state funded services, so the state can react
faster.

I don't think any victims thought that their deaths were "easy" or "just" so why should those bastards be allowed the easy way out by living...

We just can't allow a death penalty. However I agree that those who
took part in trafficing should face the same severe penalties as
the ones who committed the murder. I agree with you that they
are just as guilty. just don't agree on the death penalty.

The reason I started this thread..after selling her own child. Do you think she'd hesitate to sell yours. She's as guilty as those who murdered her little girl. She should die for it...
This is not because I cried all week over it. I cried because I can't do anything about it and somewhere another kid is suffering and the reason it's so because it's business and they aren't punished for doing it....not like they should be. DEATH TO EM ALL.

One thing we would all agree on is, that we should try and stop these
things from happening again. and that's where we should focus on.
We need to focus on the economic and social factors that could
empower the state, so they can get to these children before they
are harmed. If the state just gives a death penalty, then that's
a lazy cop out.

[Miss Lolita]

The thing with these issues is always where you draw the line for how terrible the person is and the ethics of it. I am for the death of this mother (and I hate calling her the mother because she is no mother at all, save for her biological connection to the child) and the middleman. This sort of crime is ridiculously underrated in the US justice system and they shouldn't even consider the criminals' lives - they've made their decisions, violated human rights, killed and abused people. And what justifiable reason is there for human trafficking and sexual abuse? NONE.

I'd honestly like to see someone's argument for the position that they shouldn't die, given all the criteria (motive, situation, etc).

ETA: A lazy cop out? Cop out of what? Having to deal with society? Or is this something like Malthus's philosophy?

[Ozehro]

The thing with these issues is always where you draw the line for how terrible the person is and the ethics of it. I am for the death of this mother (and I hate calling her the mother because she is no mother at all, save for her biological connection to the child) and the middleman. This sort of crime is ridiculously underrated in the US justice system and they shouldn't even consider the criminals' lives - they've made their decisions, violated human rights, killed and abused people. And what justifiable reason is there for human trafficking and sexual abuse? NONE.

I'd honestly like to see someone's argument for the position that they shouldn't die, given all the criteria (motive, situation, etc).

ETA: A lazy cop out? Cop out of what? Having to deal with society? Or is this something like Malthus's philosophy?

It's a copout because the state isn't dealing with the actual issue.
Instead it occupies it self with how to punish. Our interests should be in
how to prevent or largely minimize these atrocities. To think
about the economical and social factors involved.

also it's faulty logic to assume that people who are against death
penalty are for the criminals. I'm not at all in favour of these crims.
I'm in favour of doing the right thing instead of resorting to
appease anger by use of law.

[reyfrancisj]

Put to death? jesus no.
Prison? well that's the only best option.

I'll tell you a true story of me though:

In my sophomore year, I usually take the subway train to go to school. It was very crowded during that day. I was standing near the doors, and there was a guy, who was wearing a suit, was standing in front of me. A few mins. later, I felt something tingling in my .. balls sack.. then i knew that he was actually touching me, yes like literally rubbing me off.. No one noticed and.. he just kept doing it for 20 mins. straight.. I never expect a guy who looks so properly dressed up would do such a thing to me.. I didn't know what to do, and I just froze and I couldn't speak, it was very traumatizing... when i got off the train, he got off as well too.. and he was staring at me just as he was walking away..

[CorpusDei]

The thing with these issues is always where you draw the line for how terrible the person is and the ethics of it. I am for the death of this mother (and I hate calling her the mother because she is no mother at all, save for her biological connection to the child) and the middleman. This sort of crime is ridiculously underrated in the US justice system and they shouldn't even consider the criminals' lives - they've made their decisions, violated human rights, killed and abused people. And what justifiable reason is there for human trafficking and sexual abuse? NONE.

I'd honestly like to see someone's argument for the position that they shouldn't die, given all the criteria (motive, situation, etc).

ETA: A lazy cop out? Cop out of what? Having to deal with society? Or is this something like Malthus's philosophy?

She shouldn't die because the laws of the US don't allow for the death penalty to be applied in this case. What do I win?

Also, the US justice system is really quite a lot harsher than most Western countries. Look it up, a crime you would get a year for in Europe will get you 20 in the US most of the time.

It's a copout because the state isn't dealing with the actual issue.
Instead it occupies it self with how to punish. Our interests should be in
how to prevent or largely minimize these atrocities. To think
about the economical and social factors involved.

also it's faulty logic to assume that people who are against death
penalty are for the criminals. I'm not at all in favour of these crims.
I'm in favour of doing the right thing instead of resorting to
appease anger by use of law.

I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Ozehro. Being against the death penalty does not make someone pro-criminal. And putting this woman to death would do nothing to prevent human trafficking, or persuade any human sellers to stop. The death penalty does not work as a deterrent, it's only good for revenge.