Bleach 378 "Eyes of the Victor" Spoilers and Discussion

[mrs doubtfire]

Anyone notice Ichigos eye being white/hollow? This definitely wasn't a mistake as the title was "Eyes of the Victor". I feel like Ichigo has realized that he can't win without his hollow side so he's just begun to accept it.

[Bankiayo]

seriously yall think ichigo can win? i know he wont win its fact all the signs are there he isnt in the zone surely he got a new mask he's grown more powerful since vsing GJ nnoitra telsa ulquiorra he's growth n powerups is what makes him good but he wasnt going to defeat ulquiorra with just his mask n bankai we never saw ulquiorra 2nd release coming ... it was a good fight although i dont think ogichi/shirosaki was actualy fully in control of ichigo new form i still know that after stabbing ishida n not actually wining against ulquiorra ichigo is doubting himself... yet again... he wont win this fight but hel put up a good one...i cant see anyway for him to win against yammy unless we see him n shirosaki team up n unleash god mode on him

good points there.

okay let's look at how thing's are going atm, ichigo just got the first blow against yammy, of course yammy is not dead, but from how kubo is going on with this it could go either way.

Ichigo could win why.

ichigo has the strength, speed, and getsuga, also maybe he can fire a cero now.

can yammy win sure he has his chances, but

I can't imagine yammy using sonido, infact the omeada fans should be happy, since even fat boy is faster than yammy in his release form, from the looks of it.

Yammy has all the strength in the world, but what good would it do, if he can't touch ichigo.

is like a

Catch Me If You Can Game.

if yammy suceeds, i would imagine probably one blow would most likely KO ichigo, but ichi is too fast to let that happen, unless something happens to him, i can't see yammy cathing him.

[VL_STIFFLER]

yep yep.

The thing is kubo for got about ichigo's nakamara were meant to be the main characters behind ichigo. Every thing was all good during the SS arch, because they all palyed a huge part in it.

The fact is, there are too many good guys, plus this so call gotia 13, i was talking with another bleach fan, i think 13 is too high that's why guys like chad, ishida and renji, will never shine as they should have, if kubo did cut down that number into like 6 or 7 captains, it would mean he could give ichigo's nakamara other awesome abilties instead of the dry ones they have now.

PPl are are now thinking that rukai is stronger than renji, if you ask me kubo just love's the girl too much, hence she had to be one for yammy to capture and torture a bite before ichigo came in.

I really feel sorry for the chad, ishida and renji fans, because kubo basically turn them into potatoe bags. if they can't shine now how can they shine, when what will come next would be even bigger.

really? really you really going to say that wow... let me chuck a "lecture" out there just FOR YOU... ishida just got his powers back he fought a priverian espada.. u still following me?...

then he went up agains what number 9 8? 7 i forget and you expect him to win off the bat to someone who is clearly out classing his own skills (which is MAINLY SPEED BASED with multi arrow fire)...he gets his organs crushed and u want him to pull of a victory?... same goes for renji he put up a superb fight against the same guy showed class and skill then he finaly used his bankai and got out smarted by the same SCIENTIST...

you still following?... rukia got matched against i dunno no:9-8? right and they both died... i dont understand your logic in thinking that rukia is way superior to renji she is lieutenant lvl hasnt shown us a bankai yet probably hasnt achieved it yet.. she dies with the espada she fought with while renji is on par with the espada he n ishida are going with.... the lvl difference was there... so some how you determined that since rukia fought some one WEAKER then renji's opponent and by rukia almost DYING and not using bankai she is somehow stronger then renji yeh ok ... i dont understand this logic your trying to say to everyone....

chad showed true skill going against the priverian espada and FINALY unlocking some NEW POWERS( the powers he only just obtained yet your whining n gloating becuz he hasnt got some NEW YET) making him much FASTER and giving him super cool moves i like what TK has done he's shown that not only ichigo being a human but chad ishida and orihime being humans can be just as powerful.... chad defeats that espada and then gets ko'd by NNOITRA who is obviously much stronger then him self.. but knowing chad he dosnt give up...

and just saying there should be 6 captains thats insanely retarded the gotei 6 protection squads... wow.. makes me wonder how people can think of this crap where are all the other shinigami going to go? how will this work 2 lieutenants? and like 40 people per squad.. no sense in what you just said....

the work on the characters are getting there they will get stronger as the arc progresses they dont get the insane growth as ichigo patience is a virtue...

[wakeskater]

Maybe Ichigo isn't in full control anymore, perhaps next week we get an inner flashback with Shirosaki, that'd be cool... I wonder though, if Ichigo is losing himself slowly, and that's why he's depressed / emo cause he knows that the hollow is more in control during the fights than him... maybe shirosaki comeback? ^^

[Bankiayo]

Anyone notice Ichigos eye being white/hollow? This definitely wasn't a mistake as the title was "Eyes of the Victor". I feel like Ichigo has realized that he can't win without his hollow side so he's just begun to accept it.

yea i think he has, the thing is ichigo is scared of letting lose, but the problem is he doesn't really have to be scared, because all that shiro wants, is for ichgio, once in battle not to even think twice about crushing your opponent, ichigo being ichigo will try to reason with you, that's what annoys shiro.

i can tell you that shiro must be loving this new ichigo attitude, the more ichi handle's business this way the more power, am sure shiro would want to give, all because of one purpose to destroy the enemy.

[VL_STIFFLER]

good points there.

okay let's look at how thing's are going atm, ichigo just got the first blow against yammy, of course yammy is not dead, but from how kubo is going on with this it could go either way.

Ichigo could win why.

ichigo has the strength, speed, and getsuga, also maybe he can fire a cero now.

can yammy win sure he has his chances, but

I can't imagine yammy using sonido, infact the omeada fans should be happy, since even fat boy is faster than yammy in his release form, from the looks of it.

Yammy has all the strength in the world, but what good would it do, if he can't touch ichigo.

is like a

Catch Me If You Can Game.

if yammy suceeds, i would imagine probably one blow would most likely KO ichigo, but ichi is too fast to let that happen, unless something happens to him, i can't see yammy cathing him.

i really do want to see yammi sonido lolololol.. seeing like godzilla speed jummping every where would be funny but i want to see yammi shrink into a normal human calling himself a VL saying he has a 2nd release just like ulquiorra then that whens we will see powerhouse yammi at his finest

[Colossus]

Dont forget that yammys hierro has probably increased a hundred times more now with that size of him.

No,ichigo wont win,hichigo defeated ulquiorra,and now he has too defeat yammy for ichigo,no way,thats lame,someone will step in,someone more experienced then ichigo.

[Bankiayo]

really? really you really going to say that wow... let me chuck a "lecture" out there just FOR YOU... ishida just got his powers back he fought a priverian espada.. u still following me?...

then he went up agains what number 9 8? 7 i forget and you expect him to win off the bat to someone who is clearly out classing his own skills (which is MAINLY SPEED BASED with multi arrow fire)...he gets his organs crushed and u want him to pull of a victory?... same goes for renji he put up a superb fight against the same guy showed class and skill then he finaly used his bankai and got out smarted by the same SCIENTIST...

you still following?... rukia got matched against i dunno no:9-8? right and they both died... i dont understand your logic in thinking that rukia is way superior to renji she is lieutenant lvl hasnt shown us a bankai yet probably hasnt achieved it yet.. she dies with the espada she fought with while renji is on par with the espada he n ishida are going with.... the lvl difference was there... so some how you determined that since rukia fought some one WEAKER then renji's opponent and by rukia almost DYING and not using bankai she is somehow stronger then renji yeh ok ... i dont understand this logic your trying to say to everyone....

chad showed true skill going against the priverian espada and FINALY unlocking some NEW POWERS( the powers he only just obtained yet your whining n gloating becuz he hasnt got some NEW YET) making him much FASTER and giving him super cool moves i like what TK has done he's shown that not only ichigo being a human but chad ishida and orihime being humans can be just as powerful.... chad defeats that espada and then gets ko'd by NNOITRA who is obviously much stronger then him self.. but knowing chad he dosnt give up...

and just saying there should be 6 captains thats insanely retarded the gotei 6 protection squads... wow.. makes me wonder how people can think of this crap where are all the other shinigami going to go? how will this work 2 lieutenants? and like 40 people per squad.. no sense in what you just said....

the work on the characters are getting there they will get stronger as the arc progresses they dont get the insane growth as ichigo patience is a virtue...

again all good point's, in fact i agree with what you said cause it is accurate.

You miss my point though, kubo just hasn't develop those guy's, Renji, Chad and Ishida to the point, where you can say yea these guys are ready for the next big thing.

You do know that kubo at one point, didn't include this so call gotia 13 in his plan for bleach, like i said before there are too many good guys, mainly the captains, hence not a lot guys will shine, i.e. renji, ishida and chad.

okay so you don't like the idea of the number 13 being cut down, okay then why not give those guys good power's or abilities, so they can be just behind ichigo, am sure you know how far that gap is now.

for example look at renji his goal is to surpass byakuya, at the way thing's are going..............

like byakuya once said, the gap in our power is like the moon shining in the water or river, that you can only look at it, but you will never reach it.

sorry i kinda for got exactly what it was word for word.

[Belial]

yea i think he has, the thing is ichigo is scared of letting lose, but the problem is he doesn't really have to be scared, because all that shiro wants, is for ichgio, once in battle not to even think twice about crushing your opponent, ichigo being ichigo will try to reason with you, that's what annoys shiro.

i can tell you that shiro must be loving this new ichigo attitude, the more ichi handle's business this way the more power, am sure shiro would want to give, all because of one purpose to destroy the enemy.

But Shiro also has black eyes...or am I missing the point?

Anyway, apparently kubo stopped drawing vizard eyes so dunno if the point is even valid.

Check the bottom panel.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/372/14/

[Awaji]

This is the Ichigo that made me like Bleach, not the sappy wannabe hero who pulled wins out of nowhere. Once again I actually want him to win, and not just because I dislike Yammy, but because Ichigo is once again badass instead of a sappy cliché. So, yeah. Awesomeness. Also, the new mask is le cool.