View Full Version : Next chapter - Grimmjow - Dead or alive?
Sarada
07-29-2007, 04:16 PM
After the fake 'deciding blow' a few chapters ago, looks like it's truely gonna be over next chapter. So what do you think will happen to Grimmjow? Does His Royal Kittyness have any lives left?
Sergelia
07-29-2007, 04:26 PM
I say Grimmkitty will DAI, but not from Ichigo's hand. *is mysterious*
I don't particularly want him to, though, but I have a feeling he will. *nods* I mean, I simply cannot see a future for a semi-rebel like him in the Bleachverse.
Gintoki
07-29-2007, 04:28 PM
I also believe it's over. Either will Ichigo or Ulquiorra give him the Coup de Grace. But who knows maybe there will be a time for his resurrection (Inoue :grin:)
I chose "alive", just because I don´t want him to die.
And if you consider that Ichigo never killed someone until now and the popularity and potential of Grimmjow´s personality, then there are chances left for him to survive, flee or somewhat else (though I actually can´t imagine how this should work; hopefully Kubo will come up with something plausible and comprehensible).
On the other hand, it´s also possible that not Ichigo, but Halibel, Ulquiorra or Aizen may finish him off (the final blow), because he betrayed Aizen by kidnapping Inoue.
But well, if Kubo risks to offend so many Grimmy-kitty fans, then well, let him try! :P
Another aspect is: Kubo added so much background to Grimmjow´s past and development. He potrayed him as someone who isn´t completely blind towards companionship (Grimmjow didn´t eat his fraccions, though he´d have advanced to vastolorde level).
Jhaxe
07-29-2007, 04:51 PM
I chose alive, just because I would really hate for someone like Grimm-chan, whose had such major character development, to just be killed off...
Ichigo did not strike Grimmjow. Ichigo has stopped short because he feels that he has won.
Sergelia
07-29-2007, 04:56 PM
I don't want the executioner to all of the sudden be Halibel. It would remind me too much of how Ulquiorra stabbed him back in the let's-kidnap-Orihime times. You know the, Ichigo-Rukia-Shinji-Ulquiorra vs. Grimmjow marathon. :lmao Don't know why, really.
But Ulquiorra killing him would make sense. I predict Ichigo will spare him, and then we'll witness the birth of a legend mighty Ulquiorra's return, altogether with Grimmkitty being wtfpwnt. He's gone all-out against Ichigo as it is and is thus weakened, so it's not much of a heroic deed to kill him, but if I were Ulqui I'd stabbity-stab him without second thought.
That box-trick was the lamest excuse of a character disappearance Kubo has ever made.
Dunno, as much as I fought for Ichigo killing someone in Nocturne's thread, I still doubt he'll be the one to kill Grimmjow there and then. Not now that he's been humanized so much. But if Grimmther stays alive... It'll be like Renji all over again, just this time replace 'Rukia' with 'fighting'. >__> Renji is beyond cool, but we don't need two characters to follow the pattern.
NightMare
07-29-2007, 05:19 PM
Alive and will join his forces with Ichigo
Ikkaku
07-29-2007, 05:39 PM
Im sure he'll be alive. From a purely Manga perpective, a lot of time and plot development has been placed in him recently, it makes no sense. Theres been a shift in his character recently, even people who didnt like him have slowly been coming round to his charms (I count myself amongst them). Whether or not he becomes a good guy, i dont know, though personally doubt. It just seems a bit too convinient. However, I'm sure, when the dust clears, He'll still be around.
The cynical view is, as one of the most popular characters, hes infinatly marketable, and thus makes no sense to kill him off. This goes for Rukia as well. I dont know if i subscribe to that view.
Regardless of what I think, however, i would like to see him die. I think would be good for the development of Bleach over all to actually see a major protagonist actually die.
Gintoki
07-29-2007, 06:21 PM
Heh, i think he meant "antagonist". But there's no golden rule that even the Protagonists are Safe from Death.
I voted for 'Alive'. I have a feeling that he will survive, but I'm still prepared for the worse. It'd be pretty cruel to off him right after he got character development. :( I'd say Grimmjow is full of potential. He doesn't necessarily have to become a good guy, but as the kind of guy he is, he could still do something. I'm saying that his purpose might not be filled yet.
I've been saying countless times that I want him to live, but yeah, he might die anyway. . .but Grimmjow being so popular and all. . . *sigh*
Manga spoiler of Naruto:
But being a popular villain doesn't guarantee one's safety. Deidara died, and he is one of the most popular characters of Naruto.
I voted dead because I can certainly see how Ichigo would benefit int erm of character for killing him. BUt I'm not sure if Kubo will have the guts to actually kill him.
I don't think GJ will die in the next xhapter so I choose alive.
ForteAnly
07-29-2007, 07:00 PM
I don't think that Ichigo will go trough it but it would be nice if Ichigo actually kills one of his openents.
Siren
07-29-2007, 07:05 PM
I voted "Alive", well, because of what the rest of yall said. Kubo has spent allot of time developing this character, I'm not so sure he'd throw that all away just yet. But who knows...Kubo might suprise us yet again...
I'm sure he'll survive the blow, but the battle is definetely over IMO. (right before he got struck JG had a "defeated" look in his eyes)
I think it's just too early for him to die... But he'll probably end up dead eventually =o
Lady Scaper
07-29-2007, 08:23 PM
I voted alive because headds a great deal of tension to what is going on in Las Nochas. With him dead alot of the Las Nochas scenes would end up pretty boring. I posted about it in detail in the UlquiHime thread.
i voted alive as well because i think that if kubo would make a popularity thingy again, grimmjow would be ranked pretty high ^__^;;
Kristen
07-29-2007, 09:07 PM
Meh. He's defeated...
But... I say he'll still be alive. I'll be kinda upset if Grimmy dies. ;___;
Sergelia
07-29-2007, 09:08 PM
@ no one in particular - Haven't you thought of Kubo developing his character just so his death would carry more meaning?
I mean, Grimmjow always had fans, since his first appearance, but now his popularity is at its prime. If he gets killed, it is sure to be the center of attention for awhile, as well as cause an emotional uproar with fangirls. Maybe that's what Kubo's aiming at; maybe for some reason he needs to put the readers in a certain mood so we would digest whatever he feeds us to next.
Of course this is all just speculation. ^__^
Velius
07-29-2007, 10:19 PM
Grimmkitty will live! At least it won't be Ichigo that kills him for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if someone else does Grimm in right after, but he will survive the fight with Ichigo. :nuts
ALIVE
I never ever thought of GJ dying.
And I don't know how others can.. If you know shonen manga, you must also know that characters like him don't die.. but ultimately join the good side.
Agmaster
07-29-2007, 11:53 PM
No way he's adead. He just...should be by now.
StarryInoueSky
07-29-2007, 11:58 PM
I say, dead. :)
Next chapter he will be alive to finish his speech. The chapter after that he will be dead.
Cezaria
07-30-2007, 02:17 AM
Wow, no one has noticed that we, ahem, have someone who can effing bring back the dead standing a little distance away?
I chose alive, simply because Grimmjow's to hardy to die, though he'd probably tell Ichigo to kill him because pride won't let him live with the fact that he can no longer fight. Then Orihime would save him, because he saved her once and because she's just like that. I can't picture Ulquiorra killing Grimmjow though, he might be furious at him, but I trust that Emospada can keep his behaviour in check. Besides, offing Grimmjow won't give him any advantage at all since Grimmy's below him in ranking anyways...
hyiceme
07-30-2007, 02:36 AM
Alive.
He's too developed now to be killed off. If KT wanted him to die, then he shouldn't waste two chapters on his past. ^_^
yanniv
07-30-2007, 04:05 AM
Alive.
He's too developed now to be killed off. If KT wanted him to die, then he shouldn't waste two chapters on his past. ^_^
Perhaps Kubo has done that to give us everything about his character before he gets killed off.
Make him every bit useful before he is gone.
AnimeGirlPan
07-30-2007, 04:14 AM
I pick alive just cause Grimmjow might just live afterall and Ichigo might just let him learn the hard way his way is wrong and maybe a defeat make me learn a lesson
Sarada
07-30-2007, 04:45 AM
@ no one in particular - Haven't you thought of Kubo developing his character just so his death would carry more meaning?
Yeah exactly, so i wouldn't be so quick to assume that because he's getting some background story now, that he'll live.
The thing that would give more hope are the editors, they want to keep fans happy, hence they prevent Kubo from writing in a death, I think if they weren't around, we'd be missing a fair number of characters already.
Griffith
07-30-2007, 05:06 AM
I'm starting to think he is going to die, at first I thought all this vasto lorde talk is going to let him live, but now I see it from a different perspective.
I think Kubo is trying to tell us that grimmjow doesn't really have the strength/will to become vasto. We see shawlong and others tell Grimm to eat them and become vasto, and clearly he didn't follow through on that. Possibly showing a slight dent in his willingness to become a vasto lorde. Thus hinting at the fact he doesn't have the will power to become one.
Also not to mention his plot relevance is gone, with the fact the Ichigo has defeated his release form. If he continues to live we are dragging his character along, for no purpose.
hyiceme
07-30-2007, 05:11 AM
I don't know.... I still don't think he'll die. KT didn't have to give him backstory for 2 chapters as he's already a popular character whose death would have meaning even if we don't know about his past. I think by showing that he has potential to become a VL, he might live to become one later.
as for relevance, Renji was defeated long ago and has pretty much lost his relevance to the plot and yet he's still here... -__-
Ileenka
07-30-2007, 05:29 AM
As much as I love my beloved Grimmjow, I'd prefer him to die dignified as a villain. But as of right now, I can't see him dying anymore.
flower
07-30-2007, 05:32 AM
I say he lives because:
1) as Ikkaku said, Kubo has invested a lot of time and energy recently into developing GJ's story. His backstory has a chapter title and silhoutte picture... :(
2) Grimmjow is supposedly based on the main character of Kubo's first ill-fated manga. That means Kubo really likes that character!:D
3) GJ had those soft eyes. :cry Ulquiorra's been gone too long now. Something's about to happen.
4) Aizen surely knows what's up, so three of the four beings in that room have absolutely no chance of getting out free and alive... the odds go up to "almost no chance" if they work together. (I have a feeling Nell's gonna get in on it too...)
5) I really, really, really want Grimmy-kitty to live!! :wtf
Velius
07-30-2007, 06:05 AM
I'm just hoping he breaks the arrancar release curse. That's something we don't need around anymore. Plus it would be like getting around the system if he switches sides. Then there could still be a arrnacar release curse... for the bad ones... XD
I'd prefer him to die dignified as a villain.
Totally agree. Transform him in a 'good guy' (or a Vegeta, as you prefer) is the worst thing that KT could think. Let him die with honor, please...
GJJ will die probably in ch.287 (after a flashback in ch.286). But, who will kill him, for sure, will be one of the villains (Ulquiorra or Halibel)
Peachilicious
07-30-2007, 06:25 AM
I... honestly have no idea whether I think Grimm is going to live or die in the next chapters. If Bleach were written by someone else, I think I'd be fairly confident that he'd be as good as dead. But since this is Kubo, I have a hard time picturing him killing off a character who's had so much invested in him. So... hmm... I guess if I had to choose, I think he'll live.
Cookie-chan
07-30-2007, 06:49 AM
While grimmy is a cutie.. me thinks he just have to die...:wtf
He'll live for at least long enough to explain whether his crew were gillians or adjuchas, because it apparently isn't clear (there's a whole thread devoted to debating this:))
Riekie
07-30-2007, 04:15 PM
As much as I'd hate to see Puddycat die..I think he will, in my perspective he actually needs to die.
1st: because of the plotdevelopment. And who'd expect KT to kill him off? not many..;)
2nd: Ichigo's major characterdevelopment..for the worse..and eventually positive again..he can't handle it if he kills him..I think.
3rd: If Grimmjow does not die but continues to linger on then I see no more plotdevelopment with him. He'd probably only be shown a few more (short) times and that is definitely something I do not wish for my favorite Bad Boy..I don't want that. So I'd rather have a beautiful death which would be the greatest thing in Bleach than something else...cuz I don't see KT having Grimmow as a 'regular' for long as he survives.
Grimmkitty:(
Yeah, GJ can probably only go downhill (in terms of development) from here. If he does die he needs to have a glorious death, he's earned it.
Nocturne
07-30-2007, 05:14 PM
I feel like Grimmjow still has story development left in him. I want him to be the one to evolve into Vasto Lord. He has the hopes of his fraccion on his shoulder, he has to fulfill it. Even his fraccion said it, something about being destined to become a VL. Grimm's destined for more. His fight with Ichigo showed him that he was going about it all wrong, thinking that he'll become stronger just by fighting. Ichigo showed that he didn't become stronger because he's there to fight, but because he's got something to protect. Now Grimm's not going to go all "I fight to protect" on us, but I do know that his fight with Ichigo has left him changed. Like I said in the manga thread, if you can't beat Ichigo, join him. Grimm's going to live up to that theme. XD
Guildenstern
07-30-2007, 06:20 PM
Grimmjow ~ Dead or Alive
GRIMMJOW WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED, BUT THE SOUL STILL BURNS.
ICHIGO WINS!
/should have played as Taki
On a more serious note, while Grimblesauce may not die next chapter Ichigo's just going to be forced to kill him sooner or later, because Grimmjow's not going to let up on Ichigo. If he lives, rest assured he'll be back for Ichigo again, and Ichigo, knowing that Grimmjow isn't above hurting his friends to provoke him into a fight, can't afford to let an enemy so hellbent on his death and the deaths of his friends live. This is the point Dordonie was trying so hard to make to Ichigo.
Sorry Grimsauce, but you're bound for the Heavenly Abode before 10 chapters is out. :/
Lastier
07-30-2007, 09:07 PM
It doesn't matter to me as long as we never see him fight against Ichigo ever again.
flower
07-31-2007, 03:08 AM
(Warning: I've been reading Naruto for a lot longer than I've been reading Bleach, so I'm sorry for this cross-manga comparison.) This fight reminds me less of a "kill the mega-villain" fight and more of the classic Naruto fights where Naruto would fight a seeming bad guy and then, after many chapters and some flashbacks/lots of talking, the bad guy gets defeated and then is forever changed.
I'm not saying Grimmy will turn "good"... that's not part of his job description as a Hollow. But he has hasn't yet admitted that he has almost as much rage against Aizen and The System as he does against the shinigami. I can see Grimmy doing something to help Ichigo now to stop Aizen and bring a sense of balance back to the world of the Hollows instead of the screwed-up, artificial "heaven" Aizen has imposed on them. I go with Nocturne!
I just hope he doesn't help Ichigo with his last dying breath... :(
Lady Scaper
07-31-2007, 04:58 AM
What chapter is that from? He looks pretty fierce!!!
ilovemybishies
07-31-2007, 08:55 PM
He's going to die. If it's not by Ichigo's hand, then it will be either by Ulquiorra's, Aizen's, or maybe even Tousen's hand.
I don't really WANT him to die, but...it's really hard to think of what other purpose he could serve in the plot...*shrugs*
My poor kitty man...you will be missed. :(
yellowdot
08-01-2007, 02:39 AM
I ended up voting "alive". It's more like KT, after all. I had been certain for a while that GJ was going to kick the bucket, but then the flashbacks started and there came some serious character development that hints at the kitty's good side.
Now, I actually prefer that he dies, just because he's a pretty cool villain, but there is too much potential for him to became a lame side character if he lives. :(
Riekie
08-01-2007, 09:24 AM
Character development as in flashbacks says nothing. Look at Vegeta..when he was shot by Frieza he had alot of flashbacks and talked about his horrible childhood to Goku..before he died. Ofcourse Vegeta came back a little while later but that's not quite relevant here.
Sarada
08-01-2007, 10:01 AM
Yeah Vegeta didn't stay dead :o, and we can't judge too much on these flashbacks ....
Come one spoilers!!
sephysarkon
08-01-2007, 09:51 PM
owo I'm indecisive in that I don't know whether he'll die or live. I agree with all above statements for both sides of the fence (yes, I read this entire thread--it was interesting to me), and thus know the possible reasons and advantages/disadvantages to him living AND dying.
But, if I had to say something, it'd be based on the fact that I really like Grimmy and don't wish he'll die (even if I also think it'd be better for him to do so now, if he's just destined to become a lameo support character), so I voted "Live."
:/
~the seph
Jasse
08-01-2007, 11:37 PM
I would say Alive.
The issue with him being alive or dead depends on whether Kubo has more in store for Grimmjaw's character, cause the way i see it, this is the last fight between Ichigo and Grimmjaw.
Well, Why alive?
Ichigo said he wants to defeat him not kill him, the chances that Grimm is going to be killed by other characters(Tousen..etc) are high.
However, I can't imagine Grimmjaw becoming a Vastrolode without some intervention from Aizen, I agree with Griffith, The flashback shows that Grimmjaw lacks the will to become one(he couldn't devour/eat his own nakama).
The flashback explained that he could have become a Vastrolode but chose not to.Seeing it from this angle, the prospect of him being dead is plausible.
60%: he's alive
40%: he's dead.
Flying Banana
08-01-2007, 11:44 PM
i say alive too...Ulquiorra still hasn't come back and you'll never know if he interferes(dunno how to spell ;__;) with their fight.. .__.
Agmaster
08-02-2007, 01:20 PM
Just to share my excuberance...with the spoilers it seems that ding dong, his time has finally passed. Not even(r) at the hands of Ichigo of course. Espada are too human to be killed by protagonists, especially the main one.
Velius
08-02-2007, 06:26 PM
Well... It's not looking good so far... the 'dead' option is look rather close... but Inoue is there so, yay! :nuts :rotflmao
Neverhere
08-03-2007, 01:23 AM
I see Grimmjow surviving somehow, just off the strength of him never being able to finish a fight in the past, almost like a recurring joke with his character. Although the fight is decided more or less, he wants to go to the death but is denied that.
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