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tari101190
07-28-2007, 04:32 PM
there doesn't seem to be a theory section but i wanted to write this.
ever since the arrancar started showing up and releasing i think we could guess what some arrancar releases could look like now too, considering what some arrancar's releases have been like after we've seen their original hollow forms too.

if you look at the silhouette of an vastolorde, which is obviously ulquiorra, he will probably have that basic shape after he releases. the same with yammy and that adjuchas silhouette and wondwerwice when it showed him before he became an arrancar (so wonderwice should look pretty cool when released).

also this is kinda disappointing cos since vastolorde are meant to be very small , human sized, that would mean the vastolorde arrancar would have very small releases compared to other which have been shown. like just covered in armor.

this theory could make sense too cos it wouldn't really make sense for a vastolorde arrancar to have a big release considering that when an arrancar releases they return to their original form (and a vastolorde's original form will be definently small).

aroneiro's release was very large, which makes sense since he was a gillian - gillian are very large. all other arrancar who have released have not been as giant a this, but they all have been big (just not as big), which suggests all arrancar who has released so far could be adjuchas. grimmjows release has been quite small even though he is an adjuchas, which also makes sense cos he could have been close to becoming a vastolorde, which is why he could have been so small.

ezxx
07-28-2007, 04:43 PM
After the recent chapters this is not really a theory, more so a summarization(and prediction :>) of events that have come to pass or will come to pass :>

Velius
07-28-2007, 10:26 PM
I think the line for basing class off of releases is very vague. Arroniro's release was very big compared to other gillian releases that we have seen. This is most likely because of goltoneria. Even other gillian releases were still proportionate to their own size.

It will probably be a while before we see a Vastrode release. I'm guessing it will be something along the lines what we have seen, but even less of change. Like maybe just the return of the mask or something. Similar to a Vizard. O.o

Primera Espada
07-29-2007, 02:42 AM
I would not be surprised, in the least, if the vastarode's release has *no* physical change of the body.

I mean, seriously, look at grimmjow. Other than the long hair and ears, slightly different hands and feet, he's completely human. He just has armor.

Either that, or Grimmjow is actually a vastarode, and that's how they look, but I doubt it.

The real difference is ability. Gillians gain special appendages, ajuucas gain special powers and appendages, I wouldn't be surprised if vastarode's simply had energy aura's that represent their hollow form, allowing a variety of special attacks and abilities.

twsl
07-29-2007, 10:58 AM
hmm i was wondering.. does the hougyokou (or smth) _have_ to be used on an menostype hollow? can't it be used on a regular hollow? :x i wonder.. since all the arrancar we've seen so far were based on menostype hollows ;x

tari101190
07-29-2007, 12:03 PM
hmm i was wondering.. does the hougyokou (or smth) _have_ to be used on an menostype hollow? can't it be used on a regular hollow? :x i wonder.. since all the arrancar we've seen so far were based on menostype hollows ;x

i think you could use it on any type of hollow. after all in the anime we've seen two non menos hollows who have become arrancar (one was grandfisher the other was that filler guy), even though i think they were self made. the filler guy arrancar was evenn able to release too.

Rain
07-30-2007, 07:42 PM
I don't think the Hougyoku has to be used on a menos. All it does it intantaneously break the barrier between hollow and shinigami, being amenos shouldn't affect this in any way.

Since a normal release doesn't fully return a hollow to their original form, do you think there will be another release, where they return to their full hollow form? I hope not, but "power-up's" are so common in shonen I don't know what to expect.

Sergelia
07-30-2007, 08:20 PM
I, like many others, think that a Vasto Lorde would have absolute no change. That's how powerful I want them to be.

...who knows, maybe the VL are always in their released state?

As for Aaro's release, I think it grew as he ate more and more Hollows. Remember, he ate a total 33,650 of them or something, so Kubo drew it that way.

EDIT: Remember Grand Fisher? He was on his way to becoming an Arrancar. The Arrancar are just Hollows who got rid of their masks - it's as simple as that. And I think Hougyoku can be used on non-Menos, it's just that Aizen wouldn't bother himself with weaklings.

yanniv
07-30-2007, 08:34 PM
I, like many others, think that a Vasto Lorde would have absolute no change. That's how powerful I want them to be.

...who knows, maybe the VL are always in their released state?



I highly doubt this. Vast Lords have their normal hollow forms and when they go through the process of being an Arrancar, they develop a release form like the other Hollows. It probably doesn't change much since they are supposed to be Humanoid, but I'm sure they have a final form.

Rain
07-30-2007, 08:51 PM
I hope the Vastolordes have something unique or special about their powers, other than just being super strong hollows.

Also, although somewhat off-topic, I'd rather see the full hollow form rather than the released state, so I hope a vastolordes release is more than just a normal release.

Sarada
07-30-2007, 08:55 PM
The big difference one has to notice with Grimmjow's release and the other releases, is that with Grimmjow, almost his entire body is covered in armor.

The others have only had partial armor, most on the upper body, while the legs remained human.

So going by that, a Vastorode would be more likely to have his whole body covered in armor too.

Rain
07-30-2007, 09:04 PM
Gillians release- upper body only
Adjuchas (at least GJ) release- most of the body


Going with that, a Vastolordes release may return them to full hollow form right? I'd be happy with that.

Sergelia
07-30-2007, 09:49 PM
Gillians release- upper body only

*ahem* *points at Aaroniero* *runs away*

There's an exception to every rule it seems... or, more likely, there isn't any rule to begin with.

Returning to full hollow form? Possible, but it would kinda... ruin the whole point of Arrancar being closer to Shinigami, don't you think?

Rain
07-30-2007, 09:51 PM
All of that is true, Sergelia. I do like hollows more than Arancar so maybe that's why I want to see a full hollow Vastolorde so bad.

Primera Espada
07-31-2007, 04:38 AM
actually, remember that the old espada were ajuucas as well, and they still only had half of their bodies covered.

I think Grimmjow having more than half is a sign that he was close to being a vastarode.

The real difference is that the higher the rank, the more ability you gain. Grimmjow gained his claw things, and that giant nail attack, doldoni gained typhoons, cirucci gained an energy fan, gantembein gained hadouken.

Of all the other arrancars, the only one to show anything similar is Edorad, but he had fire, an element, not pure energy. It seems ajuucas have pure energy attacks that they can manipulate in some way.

So, perhaps a vastarode is basically a full bodied release, with all sorts of special attacks.

twsl
07-31-2007, 09:55 AM
gantembein gained hadouken.


hahahaha, i lol'd harddd ^____________^;;; darn i still can't add smth to your reputation it still says i have to spread the reps first blahblahblah shannaro!! :yell:yell:yell

anyway i think it should also be noted that the eyes of an adjuuchas are quite humanlike compared to the low lvl hollows ;x ;x

Primera Espada
07-31-2007, 05:41 PM
I noticed that as well.

Sort of funny, the first step of being a vaizard is gaining hollow eyes, while the higher level of hollows have human eyes.

freaky

tari101190
07-31-2007, 06:40 PM
i really don't think the eyes count for much. normal hollows don't even have those eyes. just glowing red eyes i think. maybe only vaizards have those eyes. i think all the arrancar should have had the same eyes as vaizards though.