Bleach 537 "Everything But the Rain op.10 Prinz von Licht" spoilers and discussion.

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From Baidu

雨龙的妈妈确实是片桐

不单单是一护的妈妈6月17号出事 雨龙的妈妈也是9年前的6月17号倒下 三个月后死了

友哈巴赫是灭却师的始祖 所有的灭却师身上都流着友哈巴赫的血 他需要900年内啥内啥 90年内啥内啥 9年内啥内啥（积聚力量？）

9年前 友哈巴赫对灭却师进行了大清洗，剔除了所有血统不纯的灭却师 把他们的力量转为自己的 所以一护和雨龙的妈妈都突然去世

育美小姐送来了一护的死神代理证 一护带着代理证走了

镜头转到友哈巴赫那边 友哈巴赫又在欢迎“吾儿”

来者是石田雨龙

本话完


Thanks to Andygoesrawr


I'm having a lot of trouble translating one of the lines, but this is the best I can do:


Uryu's mother is indeed Katagiri.

Katagiri died three months after Masaki's death on June 17, also nine years ago.

(The next line I'm having trouble translating, but the first sentence is at least correct.)
Juhabach is the ancestor of all Quincies, and as a result Juhabach's blood flows through all Quincies. 900 years ago, 90 years ago and 9 years ago Juhabach needed to accumulate power.

Nine years ago, Juhabach is performing a great purging of all impure blood to take their power. As a result, Masaki and Katagiri are killed.

Ms. Ikumi returns Ichigo's Substitute Shinigami Badge to him.

The scene switches to Juhabach saying "welcome, my son"

To Uryu Ishida.



Thanks to silverquord


Uryuu's mom is Katagiri
Not only did Ichigo's mother, on 6/17, something happened, Uryuu's mom also 9 years ago 6/17 ("倒下"fell, possibly sick or struck down, this is not elaborated), and after 3 months, died
Juha Bachs is the the Quincy originator, all quincies blood flows Juha Bach's blood, He needed 900 years 90 years 9 years (?) (to concentrate all his power?) <-- not sure with italicized
9 years ago Juha Bach did quincies cleansing, removing all the mixed blood quincies, got their powers back to himself, that's why Ichigo and Uryuu's mom passed away
Unigaiya brought back Ichigo's shinigami badge Ichigo took it back and leaing
IN another scene showing Juha Bach's location, Juha Bach says hello "son"(?)
Arrive Uryuu
The End.


Thanks to czeliate


Full Translation
Katagiri is really Uryuu’s mother.

Not only Ichigo's mother died on June 17, but Uryu's mother also falls/collapsed 9 years ago on the 17th June, and died three months later.

Juha is the ancestor of all quincies, every quincy has Juhabach’s blood in their body. He needs something something in 900 years, something something in 90 years, something something in 9 years..( to accumulate powers? ) *ps: spoiler provider himself was unsure of this.

9 years ago Juhabach began a massive purge to quincies, eliminates all quincies whose blood are not pure anymore, and convert their powers into his, which is why Ichigo and Uryu's mothers suddenly dies.

Uniyaga brings Ichigo his badge, Ichigo took his badge and left.

The scene changes to where Juha was, he then greets, "Welcome, my son."

It was Ishida Uryuu


the end


Thanks to Xianghua


雨龙的妈妈确实是片桐
Uryu's mother is Katagiri.

不单单是一护的妈妈6月17号出事 雨龙的妈妈也是9年前的6月17号倒下 三个月后死了
Not only Ichigo's mother died on June 17, but Uryu's mother was injured as well, and died three months later.

友哈巴赫是灭却师的始祖 所有的灭却师身上都流着友哈巴赫的血 他需要900年内啥内啥 90年内啥内啥 9年内啥内啥（积聚力量？）
Juha is the ancestor of all quincies, but needed 900 years to accumulate powers. (Not sure what it means by 90 years, and then 9)

9年前 友哈巴赫对灭却师进行了大清洗，剔除了所有血统不纯的灭却师 把他们的力量转为自己的 所以一护和雨龙的妈妈都突然去世
9 years ago he ordered the purge of all unpure quincies, which killed Ichigo and Uryu's mothers.

育美小姐送来了一护的死神代理证 一护带着代理证走了
Uniyaga brings Ichigo his badge. (Which means she can see it, apparently. What does that make her then? A quincy perhaps?)

镜头转到友哈巴赫那边 友哈巴赫又在欢迎“吾儿”
It turns to Juha who greets Ishida with, "Hello, my son."

来者是石田雨龙
That's all.

[Arkyle]

Great, thanks! Lets wait for a translation :)
Ok...so if this is explaining the reason Masaki died how come Uryu is mentioned several times? AAhhhh I can't wait!

[Riley Escobar]

Thanks ... =)

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Thanks ... =)

[Rhypsidium]

Thanks for the spoilers! Shall wait for proper translations. Tried putting it into google translate but came up with a semi-coherent mess.

On a side note: Holy crap, this is the earliest I have ever been to a spoiler thread.

Another side note: Holy crap, this is the first time I have posted since remaking this account. Darn I really need to play catch-up.

[wowzers]

Katagiri is indeed Ishida's mother.Thanks for the spoilers :D

[Tom2rules]

Thanks for the Spoilers Zangetsu!

Yeah...translating from Google was kind of useless for me, but it does seem that Katagiri is indeed Uyru's mother.

[Herakles]

tHANKS FOR THE SPOILERS


did i just read that Uryu is with Yhwach? :confused:

[Sariniste]

Thanks for the spoilers, Zangetsu! :)

Wow. So Katagiri is Uryu's mother, we expected that. But... some type of Quincy action caused the deaths of all those of "impure blood"? Both Uryuu's and Ichigo's mothers died as a result? I didn't expect that!

So it looks like Kubo is solidifying the Quincy as the enemy... and placing Uryuu and Ichigo at odds. This is going to be interesting...

[Belias]

Thanks Zan and good job Kubo. He could have left the whole Katagiri situation wide open for like 100 chapters.

[Sayuri Shirayuki]

Thanks for the spoiler BLEACH. ..... (^_^*)//

[KisukeShirosaki]

I tried Bing translation and this is what it translated to:

Uryu's mother was indeed KATAGIRI

Not only Ichigo's mother June 17 Uryu's mother is an accident 9 years ago, died June 17, three months after the fall of

Habbah is the ancestor of all lose divisions lose Habbah teacher streams covered with friends he needs the blood of 900 within 90 years 9 years (gathering strength? ）

Habbah 9 years ago to fight has carried out the great purge, stripping out all the blood impure lose Division of power into their own Ichigo and Uryu's mother suddenly passed away

Finishing death of Miss America sent a nurse a nurse with a proxy card proxy card

Lens Habbah Habbah there friends to friends in welcoming "my son"

Arrivals are Shi Tianyu Dragon

Finish this

I know a lot of it doesn't make sense so will wait for actual translation.

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[Bala de Impacto]

YEah, it's best not to use any internet translators until we get the pros to translate it for real.

[dlatowsk]

Something tells me from the garbled to all hell translation that Ichigo wont have much time to digest this and that the plot starts going a lot faster starting with the end of this chapter. And nice to see it's confirmed who Ishida's mother was as well.

Thanks for the spoilers and semi translations cant wait to read it.

[Jūshirō]

Thanks Zan :)

Katagiri!!

Good to hear that she is the mother.

[Arkyle]

I friggin love this part of the Bing translation: "Finishing death of Miss America sent a nurse a nurse with a proxy card proxy card"
Haha. It sucks having a daytime job. I have to go to bed now but I hope the chapter is out before leaving tomorrow morning. I can't wait for the big reveal!

[Drahc]

Thanks for the early spoilers. Cant wait for the translation.

[SuirenShinju]

Okay for Katagiri and Uryuu... but what about Mama Masaki?!

[Serocco]

What...?

Oh man, that's cold. That's really fuckin' harsh, man.

Katagiri, confirmed to be Uryu's mother, was killed because of her blood impurity? Which implies that Masaki herself was killed for her blood impurity?

Jesus Christ, Quincy.

[wowzers]

Ill try my best at translating

Katagiri is indeed Uryuu's mother.
Yhwach needed 900 years for something
he ordered the purge of impure quincies
Yhwach is the ancestor of all quincies

It is no way the best translation since i'm not very good at it :p

[Andygoesrawr]

I'm having a lot of trouble translating one of the lines, but this is the best I can do:


Uryu's mother is indeed Katagiri.

Katagiri died three months after Masaki's death on June 17, also nine years ago.

(The next line I'm having trouble translating, but the first sentence is at least correct.)
Juhabach is the ancestor of all Quincies, and as a result Juhabach's blood flows through all Quincies. 900 years ago, 90 years ago and 9 years ago Juhabach needed to accumulate power.

Nine years ago, Juhabach is performing a great purging of all impure blood to take their power. As a result, Masaki and Katagiri are killed.

Ms. Ikumi returns Ichigo's Substitute Shinigami Badge to him.

The scene switches to Juhabach saying "welcome, my son"

To Uryu Ishida.

[Bala de Impacto]

What...?

Oh man, that's cold. That's really fuckin' harsh, man.

Katagiri, confirmed to be Uryu's mother, was killed because of her blood impurity? Which implies that Masaki herself was killed for her blood impurity?

Jesus Christ, Quincy.
Cruel it is, but remember what group the Quincy, or at least the Vandenreich, are supposed to be based on. They are the crusaders, exterminating all races that they consider unclean or impure. Also, seeing Uryu joining Bach, seriously 4 eyes? I guess you didn't learn anything from Ichigo after all. The pride of the Quincy isn't representing what your clan believes in, it's about what you believe in your heart that is right, and staking your heart and soul into defending those beliefs. That, is true pride.

[Serocco]

Bala: Which brings me to my next point.

Yhwach ordered the purge. Very Holocaust-like.

[Herakles]

Woah woah woah! This is one heck of a spoiler!

Yhwach purges the Quincy bloodline, as a result Masaki and Katagiri die! Uryu is welcomed by Yhwach and every Quincy holds Yhwach's blood as he is essentially the father of the Quincy, hence "my son"...

This, is going to be one hell of a chapter!

[Jūshirō]

Now I truly dislike Juha Bach :mad:

Thanks guys for the translations ;)

[silverquord]

From Baidu

雨龙的妈妈确实是片桐
不单单是一护的妈妈6月17号出事 雨龙的妈妈也是9年前的6月17号倒下 三个月后死了
友哈巴赫是灭却师的始祖 所有的灭却师身上都流着友哈巴赫的血 他需要900年内啥内啥 90年内啥内啥 9年内啥内啥（积聚力量？）
9年前 友哈巴赫对灭却师进行了大清洗，剔除了所有血统不纯的灭却师 把他们的力量转为自己的 所以一护和雨龙的妈妈都突然去世
育美小姐送来了一护的死神代理证 一护带着代理证走了
镜头转到友哈巴赫那边 友哈巴赫又在欢迎“吾儿”
来者是石田雨龙
本话完

Uryuu's mom is Katagiri
Not only did Ichigo's mother, on 6/17, something happened, Uryuu's mom also 9 years ago 6/17 ("倒下"fell, possibly sick or struck down, this is not elaborated), and after 3 months, died
Juha Bachs is the the Quincy originator, all quincies blood flows Juha Bach's blood, He needed 900 years 90 years 9 years (?) (to concentrate all his power?) <-- not sure with italicized
9 years ago Juha Bach did quincies cleansing, removing all the mixed blood quincies, got their powers back to himself, that's why Ichigo and Uryuu's mom passed away
Unigaiya brought back Ichigo's shinigami badge Ichigo took it back and leaing
IN another scene showing Juha Bach's location, Juha Bach says hello "son"(?)
Arrive Uryuu
The End.

[Tom2rules]

Well...damn...just damn...

Still wondering how Grand Fisher fits into this...but just damn...

Yup, Bach is the original Quincy...now to see if the rest of my theory fits...

And Uyru being greeted by Bach...something nasty must have happened while we were gone...

[Belias]

Holy crap. Thanks for the translations guys. Even if they aren't 100% accurate, this chapter is shaping up to be pretty sick.

[Bala de Impacto]

I think that', while Masaki stepped in to protect Ichigo, a Quincy arrow got shot, passing by Fisher and striking Masaki, making Fisher look as to where it came from, and when he turned back, he saw Masaki dead, and took credit for killing her.

[Lortastic]

The Vandenreich sounds so Aryan-like from these translationa. It's really plausible though given Ywach's character.

[Aizen]

Thanks for the spoilers Zan!

Was pretty positive she was his mother. Now to wait for translations.

[xEclipse]

And............if these spoilers turn out to be correct...I can tell all y'all
I CALLED IT.
I felt it would be hard for the story to progress normally if anyone else besides fellow Quincy caused Masaki's death.Ichigo now has a personal reason for striving to become stronger and defeating the Vandenreich.

Thanks for the spoilers!Definitely looking forward to the actual chapter!=]

[Serocco]

If all of this is true, Yhwach is officially a monster.

This is the sorta stuff Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich would do.

[Tanuki]

Thanks for the spoilers. Hmm, no mention of Grand Fisher in the spoilers, so I'm guessing this is going to be another retcon regarding Masaki's death. Oh well.

Really damn excited to see Uryu again, after what seemed like an eternity.

[Bala de Impacto]

In the back of my head, I still wanna believe that Uryu is meeting with Bach just to infiltrate the Ice Castle and obtain info for the gang. If he does join the reich, I bet his title will be B, the Betrayer...

[Herakles]

Now this really puts Uryu into perspective here, based on the spoilers it seems as if he willingly went to meet Yhwach. I wonder how much this is going to impact on Ichigo? Surely Uryu would be mad that his own mother died because of his heinous actions.

This is shaping up to be one AMAZING chapter, does this mean Masaki's soul was destroyed in the process as well?


Thanks for the spoilers. Hmm, no mention of Grand Fisher in the spoilers, so I'm guessing this is going to be another retcon regarding Masaki's death. Oh well.
No sorry, was never confirmed Grandfisher killed Masaki. Let's see what happened though before we over use that word.

[harahara]

I'm having a lot of trouble translating one of the lines, but this is the best I can do:

Uryu's mother is indeed Katagiri.

Katagiri died three months after Masaki's death on June 17, also nine years ago.

(This line I'm having trouble translating. I'm not going to try until somebody can translate it for real, but it seems to relate to Juhabach being the Quincy ancestor)

Nine years ago, Juhabach is performing a great purging of all impure blood. As a result, Masaki and Katagiri are killed.

Ms. Ikumi returns Ichigo's Substitute Shinigami Badge to him.

The scene switches to Juhabach saying "welcome, my son"

To Uryu Ishida.

Holyfuckin'shit.

If this is true, this is what you call a 10/10 chapter. Uryu vs. Ichigo is bound to happen at this point. Things are looking KuboGood. :cool:

[Arkyle]

Woah woah woah! This is one heck of a spoiler!

Yhwach purges the Quincy bloodline, as a result Masaki and Katagiri die! Uryu is welcomed by Yhwach and every Quincy holds Yhwach's blood as he is essentially the father of the Quincy, hence "my son"...

This, is going to be one hell of a chapter!

BUT Ishida and Ichigo are impure Quincy as well! Something is not right here.

[Serocco]

Why would Ishida join the man who murdered his mother?

Yhwach was already targeting Ichigo before learning of his WQuincy heritage, yet Yhwach still wants to force Ichigo to join the Vandenreich.

I think it's more pragmatism. If you had the power to brainwash someone as powerful as, say, Yamamoto, would you do it?

[.access timeco.]

So Masaki's death had nothing to do with Mayuri, huh? :( I hope at least her parents deaths were his doings.

[Jūshirō]

Ohh the ending!!

Uryuu will finally become a super Quincy but he will be the enemy :mad:

Man this chapter will be amazing!

[Xianghua]

雨龙的妈妈确实是片桐
Uryu's mother is Katagiri.

不单单是一护的妈妈6月17号出事 雨龙的妈妈也是9年前的6月17号倒下 三个月后死了
Not only Ichigo's mother died on June 17, but Uryu's mother was injured as well, and died three months later.

友哈巴赫是灭却师的始祖 所有的灭却师身上都流着友哈巴赫的血 他需要900年内啥内啥 90年内啥内啥 9年内啥内啥（积聚力量？）
Juha is the ancestor of all quincies, but needed 900 years to accumulate powers. (Not sure what it means by 90 years, and then 9)

9年前 友哈巴赫对灭却师进行了大清洗，剔除了所有血统不纯的灭却师 把他们的力量转为自己的 所以一护和雨龙的妈妈都突然去世
9 years ago he ordered the purge of all unpure quincies, which killed Ichigo and Uryu's mothers.

育美小姐送来了一护的死神代理证 一护带着代理证走了
Uniyaga brings Ichigo his badge. (Which means she can see it, apparently. What does that make her then? A quincy perhaps?)

镜头转到友哈巴赫那边 友哈巴赫又在欢迎“吾儿”
It turns to Juha who greets Ishida with, "Hello, my son."

来者是石田雨龙
That's all.

[Tanuki]

Holyfuckin'shit.

If this is true, this is what you call a 10/10 chapter. Uryu vs. Ichigo is bound to happen at this point. Things are looking KuboGood. :cool:

I REALLY hope Kubo doesn't go this route. There was absolutely no development regarding Uryu ever wanting to kill Ichigo or wanting to fight him. Uryu has always been on the side of Ichigo in previous arc (Soul Society, Hueco Mundo).
Plus as someone else mentioned, why would Uryu want to be on the same side as someone who killed his mother as the spoiler states

[Lortastic]

If all of this is true, Yhwach is officially a monster.

This is the sorta stuff Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich would do.

Yes! Definitely! I've always got this Nazi vibe from the Vandenreich especially when I first saw Kirge and how much he reminded me of Himmler!

I think my respect for Ywach as a villain just jumped up.

[Auryon]

And there is the reason for Ichigo to fight Bach, not only that it seems that Uryuu join Bach, i don't know its im disappointed in a way:(

[Minerva]

Excuse me while my head explodes. Too much shock here. Uryuu joined the dark side? ("Uryuu, I am your father"? Eek.) Looks like it was definitely 1000 years ago then. Pending time of origin story, please?

(Hey, does this mean all our theories about who killed Masaki just went to waste? Aww. That was fun.)

[Herakles]

BUT Ishida and Ichigo are impure Quincy as well! Something is not right here.
Yes, there seems to be more behind what has actually happened and I am quite intrigued to see what happens. We now have an explanation behind Yhwach's "my son born in darkness" statement.


Why would Ishida join the man who murdered his mother?

Yhwach was already targeting Ichigo before learning of his WQuincy heritage, yet Yhwach still wants to force Ichigo to join the Vandenreich.

I think it's more pragmatism. If you had the power to brainwash someone as powerful as, say, Yamamoto, would you do it?
This seems to reaffirm Uryu knew what was coming, this is really putting Uryu into perspective and Kubo seems to be making and breaking bonds all over again, I love it.

[czeliate]

雨龙的妈妈确实是片桐
Uryu's mother is Katagiri.

不单单是一护的妈妈6月17号出事 雨龙的妈妈也是9年前的6月17号倒下 三个月后死了
Not only Ichigo's mother died on June 17, but Uryu's mother was injured as well, and died three months later.

友哈巴赫是灭却师的始祖 所有的灭却师身上都流着友哈巴赫的血 他需要900年内啥内啥 90年内啥内啥 9年内啥内啥（积聚力量？）
Juha is the ancestor of all quincies, but needed 900 years to accumulate powers. (Not sure what it means by 90 years, and then 9)

9年前 友哈巴赫对灭却师进行了大清洗，剔除了所有血统不纯的灭却师 把他们的力量转为自己的 所以一护和雨龙的妈妈都突然去世
9 years ago he ordered the purge of all unpure quincies, which killed Ichigo and Uryu's mothers.

育美小姐送来了一护的死神代理证 一护带着代理证走了
Uniyaga brings Ichigo his badge. (Which means she can see it, apparently. What does that make her then? A quincy perhaps?)

镜头转到友哈巴赫那边 友哈巴赫又在欢迎“吾儿”
It turns to Juha who greets Ishida with, "Hello, my son."

来者是石田雨龙
That's all.

Thanks Xianghua XD

Ah, sorry I just came back from lunch,
the Unagiya part is a little incorrect.. I'll translate for y'll

*matteyo!*



Full Translation
Katagiri is really Uryuu’s mother.

Not only Ichigo's mother died on June 17, but Uryu's mother also falls/collapsed 9 years ago on the 17th June, and died three months later.

Juha is the ancestor of all quincies, every quincy has Juhabach’s blood in their body. He needs something something in 900 years, something something in 90 years, something something in 9 years..( to accumulate powers? ) *ps: spoiler provider himself was unsure of this.

9 years ago Juhabach began a massive purge to quincies, eliminates all quincies whose blood are not pure anymore, and convert their powers into his, which is why Ichigo and Uryu's mothers suddenly dies.

Uniyaga brings Ichigo his badge, Ichigo took his badge and left.

The scene changes to where Juha was, he then greets, "Welcome, my son."

It was Ishida Uryuu


the end

[harahara]

This would also explain why Uryu never met his Grandmother. She was killed during the purge. (refer to hollow mark on her leg)

Good stuff.

[Serocco]

What a way to make Yhwach so much more personal an antagonist than Aizen or Grand Fisher.

Mayuri still needs to die for his own transgressions, but Yhwach is clearly the worst one in the room.

[Xianghua]

Oh, the stuff I put in brackets is my own thoughts, I know that it doesn't actually ask if she's a quincy or not XD But it makes me wonder if she can see it, then what IS she?

[StrayHearts]

Maybe Uryu is joining them as infiltration and he is planning to kill them all as revenge for his mother! Bwahahahahaha! But seriously. Like, why would he betray Ichigo? I'm dying. Why, Uryu. Why.

[Tom2rules]

Personally I am guessing that Uyru has been misinformed by alot of things...he has been out of the loop completely, he has no idea what has been going on in the SS or Hueco Mundo so Bach could have told him anything...

Unfrotunatly it does seem that way Minerva...but hell it was going to happen anyway even if someone got it right in that thread...

[.access timeco.]

Well, she couldn't see Isshin in his Shinigami form.

[Andygoesrawr]

雨龙的妈妈确实是片桐
Uryu's mother is Katagiri.

不单单是一护的妈妈6月17号出事 雨龙的妈妈也是9年前的6月17号倒下 三个月后死了
Not only Ichigo's mother died on June 17, but Uryu's mother was injured as well, and died three months later.

友哈巴赫是灭却师的始祖 所有的灭却师身上都流着友哈巴赫的血 他需要900年内啥内啥 90年内啥内啥 9年内啥内啥（积聚力量？）
Juha is the ancestor of all quincies, but needed 900 years to accumulate powers. (Not sure what it means by 90 years, and then 9)

9年前 友哈巴赫对灭却师进行了大清洗，剔除了所有血统不纯的灭却师 把他们的力量转为自己的 所以一护和雨龙的妈妈都突然去世
9 years ago he ordered the purge of all unpure quincies, which killed Ichigo and Uryu's mothers.

育美小姐送来了一护的死神代理证 一护带着代理证走了
Uniyaga brings Ichigo his badge. (Which means she can see it, apparently. What does that make her then? A quincy perhaps?)

镜头转到友哈巴赫那边 友哈巴赫又在欢迎“吾儿”
It turns to Juha who greets Ishida with, "Hello, my son."

来者是石田雨龙
That's all.

Could it possibly mean "900 years ago, 90 years ago and 9 years ago Juhabach needed to purge impure bloods in order to take their power"? It may be a loose translation but that's the only sense I can get from it.

[Tanuki]

Now something doesn't make sense. The spoiler states that Yhwach eliminated all impure quincies, yet he calls Uryu his "son"? We know Uryu is not pure because Katagiri is his mother. He also called Ichigo his "son" even though Ichigo is not a pure quincy either. Either the spoiler is wrong, mistranslated, or something is wrong here.

[Serocco]

Yhwach keeps talking about "peace". This is "for peace."

Maybe this so-called "peace"... is only for Quincies.

Moreover, this "peace"... is only for Yhwach, as it's his bloodline that originates all.

[Lortastic]

Well, she couldn't see Isshin in his Shinigami form.

I don't know, I get the feeling that she was faking it.

[Minerva]

Unfrotunatly it does seem that way Minerva...but hell it was going to happen anyway even if someone got it right in that thread...
I'm more upset that it wasn't something we could reasonably guess. Kubo is usually better about foreshadowing than that. Oh well. :elmo

Now how does he think he's going to recruit Ichigo if he's killed Ichigo's mother? And what on earth is Uryuu doing there? Any sign of Ryuuken?

[Tom2rules]

Maybe Bach had a change of heart a few years back and seeing the power people like Ichigo and Uyru has...or is just being a sadistic bastard, wanting to bring in two potentially powerful solders into his hand and once the battle is over he will have no more use for them.

At this point I am putting nothing past this guy.

As for Ikumi, I am guessing that she is just spiritually aware enough to see the badge, but not enough to see Isshin clearly.

[Saiyan5ninetail]

GAAAAAAAAH!!

NOOOOOOO!!!!! URYU!!!!!!! WHY DID YOU-!

*SMACK!*

*shivers* Good lord, I can hardly believe it. Juha Bach is indeed the ancestor of the modern Quincy. I was certain about that when he talked about the massacre of 1000 years ago.

Well, there goes my theories about the Royal Guard being the ones who killed Masaki. Guess it was too soon.

So Juha Bach "claimed" all the power of the non-pure blood Quincy that were cleansed nine years ago as his own. Perhaps there is some significance to what Ryuuken mentioned about "inheriting" the powers of the last generation. Maybe Souken did give the vast majority of his Quincy powers to Ryuuken.

It looks like all the fun regarding Dark!Uryu has become reality after all.

Dear Buddha, Odin, Zeus, Brahma and God, I beg you to tell me that Uryu is only going undercover to try to take revenge for his mother.

[Serocco]

Remember, Yhwach is very pragmatic. He wants Ichigo to become his new weapon for the Vandenreich against the Soul Society.

He most likely knows Uryu is one of Ichigo's friends. If he convinces Uryu to join the Vandenreich, that's one step closer to getting Ichigo to back down.

Why? Well, Squad Zero. You need everything in order to murder them. After that, Yhwach would most likely murder Uryu and Ichigo after they served their purpose.

[Herakles]

I'm more upset that it wasn't something we could reasonably guess. Kubo is usually better about foreshadowing than that. Oh well. :elmo

Now how does he think he's going to recruit Ichigo if he's killed Ichigo's mother? And what on earth is Uryuu doing there? Any sign of Ryuuken?

All of our CSI investigation resulted in a failure. :( But I like this so much better, it is that unknowing feel that makes the revelation all that more devastating and really puts Yhwach on a callous pedestal.

Yes, now what is Yhwach going to do now that Ichigo knows the truth? Uryu has surely been welcomed into the Vandenreich with open arms and I can't imagine him to be re-educated... Where is Masaki's and Katagiri's soul? Were they destroyed, my skin is crawling with desire to know.

[Lortastic]

Maybe Bach had a change of heart a few years back and seeing the power people like Ichigo and Uyru has...or is just being a sadistic bastard, wanting to bring in two potentially powerful solders into his hand and once the battle is over he will have no more use for them.

At this point I am putting nothing past this guy.

As for Ikumi, I am guessing that she is just spiritually aware enough to see the badge, but not enough to see Isshin clearly.

Or maybe he let them live as they are Special War Potentials (Well I'm guessing Ishida at this point is to be considered one)

[amaste]

Now something doesn't make sense. The spoiler states that Yhwach eliminated all impure quincies, yet he calls Uryu his "son"? We know Uryu is not pure because Katagiri is his mother. He also called Ichigo his "son" even though Ichigo is not a pure quincy either. Either the spoiler is wrong, mistranslated, or something is wrong here.


The only thing I can think of is perhaps the Ishida family is the closest direct decendents to Ywach, which would be why Opie said it was impossible his arrow was stronger than Uryu's. /shrug

Baah, don't want to go to sleep now! Damn work. >(

[Seri55]

Thank you Zangetsu01 for posting the spoilers and all others who had a hand in translating the information!!! I can't wait to read this chapter. I am thinking 999 years he needed..thus a 1000 years perhaps, something to that effect..perhaps it took him that long to plan his final battle plan or whatever...guessing here. In the previous Bleach Asylum board, I had posted that there was a spoiler from TK that Ichigo and Uryuu were going to fight-I can see this happening. Uryuu has probably been brain-washed or whatever they do to someone minds to make him join the Vanderich. Thank you once again...

[Xianghua]

Perhaps Uryu is also one of the 5 chosen, like Ichigo. But I doubt he means that in any familial sense. Uryu's father IS Ryuken, but Juha is the ORIGINAL quincy, so...in a backwards way, I guess he's sort of related to Uryu...?

[Serocco]

You know how Uryu was so apprehensive of joining with Ichigo to Hueco Mundo versus the Vandenreich?

I think we know now. He was contacted by Yhwach already. Hell, that random, silhouetted Quincy who brought out the Hollow bait to attack Shino and Yuki?

That was probably the guy who talked to Uryu about it.

[Bala de Impacto]

Yhwach keeps talking about "peace". This is "for peace."

Maybe this so-called "peace"... is only for Quincies.

Moreover, this "peace"... is only for Yhwach, as it's his bloodline that originates all.
And you wanna know what the really, really, REALLY, sad part about this is? No matter how intense this makes Bach look as a villain, people will STILL say Aizen is the best villain in Bleach, just because of his past accomplishments, without ever admitting that his time has passed.

[czeliate]

Full Translation
Katagiri is really Uryuu’s mother.

Not only Ichigo's mother died on June 17, but Uryu's mother also falls/collapsed 9 years ago on the 17th June, and died three months later.

Juha is the ancestor of all quincies, every quincy has Juhabach’s blood in their body. He needs something something in 900 years, something something in 90 years, something something in 9 years..( to accumulate powers? ) *ps: spoiler provider himself was unsure of this.

9 years ago Juhabach began a massive purge to quincies, eliminates all quincies whose blood are not pure anymore, and convert their powers into his, which is why Ichigo and Uryu's mothers suddenly dies.

Uniyaga brings Ichigo his badge, Ichigo took his badge and left.

The scene changes to where Juha was, he then greets, "Welcome, my son."

It was Ishida Uryuu


the end

ok done!
if....anyone...still .... interested

[Bala de Impacto]

You know how Uryu was so apprehensive of joining with Ichigo to Hueco Mundo versus the Vandenreich?

I think we know now. He was contacted by Yhwach already. Hell, that random, silhouetted Quincy who brought out the Hollow bait to attack Shino and Yuki?

That was probably the guy who talked to Uryu about it.
You mean Ivan Azgiero? Wow, if he got away with talking to Uryu without getting blasted, mad props yo.

[Saiyan5ninetail]

Katagiri is really Uryuu’s mother.

Not only Ichigo's mother died on June 17, but Uryu's mother also falls/collapsed 9 years ago on the 17th June, and died three months later.

Juha is the ancestor of all quincies, every quincy has Juhabach’s blood in their body. He needs something something in 900 years, something something in 90 years, something something in 9 years..( to accumulate powers? ) *ps: spoiler provider himself was unsure of this.

9 years ago Juhabach began a massive purge to quincies, eliminates all unpure quincies, and convert their powers into his, which is why Ichigo and Uryu's mothers suddenly dies.

Uniyaga brings Ichigo his badge, Ichigo took his badge and left.

The scene changes to where Juha was, he then greets, "Welcome, my son."

It was Ishida Uryuu

It is a rare chapter that shocks the hell out of me. Believe me, this is one of those chapters. I can still barely believe that Uryu has apparently sided with the Vandenreich. I pray that he is only undercover to get revenge for his mother.

[Xianghua]

Ahh, thanks czelite!
As usual, I think your translations are well done :)
EDIT: And it's not necessarily that Ishida joined the quincies, or that he's betraying anyone. We'll wait and see about that.

[Andygoesrawr]

All of our CSI investigation resulted in a failure. :( But I like this so much better, it is that unknowing feel that makes the revelation all that more devastating and really puts Yhwach on a callous pedestal.

Yes, now what is Yhwach going to do now that Ichigo knows the truth? Uryu has surely been welcomed into the Vandenreich with open arms and I can't imagine him to be re-educated... Where is Masaki's and Katagiri's soul? Were they destroyed, my skin is crawling with desire to know.

At least all of my predictions are coming true :p

Katagiri being Uryuu's mother (not that anybody was doubting it), Juhabach being the one behind Masaki's death, Katagiri dying around the same time as Masaki or from the same thing, Juhabach being the ancestor of all Quincies, and Uryuu joining the Vandenreich (come on, Ichigo needed a reason to infiltrate the Vandenreich).

I am a happy man today.

[Herakles]

At least all of my predictions are coming true :p

Katagiri being Uryuu's mother (not that anybody was doubting it), Juhabach being the one behind Masaki's death, Katagiri dying around the same time as Masaki or from the same thing, Juhabach being the ancestor of all Quincies, and Uryuu joining the Vandenreich (come on, Ichigo needed a reason to infiltrate the Vandenreich).

I am a happy man today.

It doesn't count if you can see the future. :mad:

Yes, all of these reasons make sense and I am highly anticipating the emotion in this chapter the aura surrounding the revelation and I seriously cannot wait to see Uryu's reasoning behind him going to Vandenreich/meeting Yhwach - this gives us confirmation on the "son" remark Yhwach made as he is the ancestor of all Quincy and this puts so much more into perspective for Ichigo and Uryu now.

[Minerva]

Yes, now what is Yhwach going to do now that Ichigo knows the truth? Uryu has surely been welcomed into the Vandenreich with open arms and I can't imagine him to be re-educated... Where is Masaki's and Katagiri's soul? Were they destroyed, my skin is crawling with desire to know.
If Yhwach has their powers, he may have taken their souls as well. Oh dear. He certainly is being set up as a real villain isn't he. Is Kubo actually going to try to humanize him at some point, or is he permanently evil?


Or maybe he let them live as they are Special War Potentials (Well I'm guessing Ishida at this point is to be considered one)
Yes, I think we can update the thread once the chapter is out. Uryuu seems to have one of the remaining slots if he's there, but let's confirm that when we see him to ensure he wasn't with them all along. He refused to go along with the group to rescue Dondochakka, after all.

[czeliate]

It is a rare chapter that shocks the hell out of me. Believe me, this is one of those chapters. I can still barely believe that Uryu has apparently sided with the Vandenreich. I pray that he is only undercover to get revenge for his mother.


haha~ oh? well I thought it was kinda obvious that he took the Uchiha's steps and join with the vanderveich.. but that doesn't mean he's gonna betray his friends, maybe he joined them in order to find a way to help his friends.

anyway~ :cool:

[Tekken13]

Based on the spoilers, sh*t just got real. As expected, Yhwach is the original Quincy. I called this some 50 chapters ago, and it was made evident when he called Ichigo his son. I had a hunch it was metaphorical or ancestral speaking. The unexpected part is Uryu going to the Ice Castle. WTH, Uryu! I thought you and Ichigo were becoming buddies? But Kubo did kind of foreshadowed this a while back.

Remember what he said to Ichigo at the very end of the SS arc?
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/21-182.0/compressed/_manga_rain_bleach_ch182_16.jpg?v=11192381201

He also didn't go with Ichigo, Urahara and them to Hueco Mundo.

[DanteIX]

Well if Katagiri is the mother, that'll make Uryu impure blood too, yes? Why then he is welcomed by the man-o-top?

[dlatowsk]

I suspect Uryu is there to train and level up then hope to leave them, sounds like something he would do.

[Princess Bubblegum]

Now something doesn't make sense. The spoiler states that Yhwach eliminated all impure quincies, yet he calls Uryu his "son"? We know Uryu is not pure because Katagiri is his mother. He also called Ichigo his "son" even though Ichigo is not a pure quincy either. Either the spoiler is wrong, mistranslated, or something is wrong here.

This is confusing me, too... but perhaps he's calling them that to get under their skin? Like, wouldn't Ichigo and Uryu wonder WHY he is calling them that?? If a gross, evil man called me his ''daughter, born in darkness" I would wonder what the heck he is saying, also. I feel he wants Ichigo and Uryu as war soldiers, like some others mentioned.

Also, could it be possible that Uryu could've been forced to talk to Juha? I don't understand why he would ever join them willingly or become Ichigo's enemy knowing they killed his mother. Unless he doesn't know how Katagiri died, and Juha somehow convinced him that he would tell him about her? The spoilers do say that Katagiri died not long after Masaki's death. Ichigo was like, 9 or something, around her death, which means that Uryu was also the same age.

[Bleach Ichigo]

Thanks for the spoilers.

Awesome revelations this chapter. I could give a 10/10 just from the spoilers.

[BleachFanatic519]

Oh SNAP!!! thanks for the spoilers! I'm soooo EXCITED! I had a feeling that Katagiri would be Uryuu's mom...and I'm glad that feeling was right. I hope Ichigo and Uryuu don't do anything crazy like attempt to get along with Juha Bach...

[Herakles]

If Yhwach has their powers, he may have taken their souls as well. Oh dear. He certainly is being set up as a real villain isn't he. Is Kubo actually going to try to humanize him at some point, or is he permanently evil?

Perhaps there maybe a deeper story as to what Yhwach intends to do beyond destroying the Shinigami, that's for another thread though. But so far his actions have been more than just callous, completely apathetic and lacking any emotion/regret. So far his true evilness is really exerting a great villain!

Now cue the impact on Ichigo!

[Minerva]

haha~ oh? well I thought it was kinda obvious that he took the Uchiha's steps and join with the vanderveich.. but that doesn't mean he's gonna betray his friends, maybe he joined them in order to find a way to help his friends.
Isn't that the same slippery slope Gin went down for Rangiku's sake? Look how that turned out. Ishida is either going to have to do things that he didn't really want to do or he's going to end up dead. Well, he may end up dead either way. So much for the chivalrous Quincy ideals.

[blazetook]

Well, i guess the guy behind Ichigo really was Uryuu. Still not enough foreshadowing for me :p.

http://i5.mangapanda.com/bleach/480/bleach-3042857.jpg

No, Uryuu, don't pull a Sasuke XD.

[Bala de Impacto]

Based on a the spoilers, it sh*t just got real. As expected, Yhwach is the original Quincy. I called this some 50 chapters ago, and it was made evident when he called Ichigo his son. I had a hunch it was metaphorical or ancestral speaking. The unexpected part is Uryu going to the Ice Castle. WTH, Uryu! I thought you and Ichigo were becoming buddies? But Kubo did kind of foreshadowed this a while back.

Remember what he said to Ichigo at the very end of the SS arc?
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/21-182.0/compressed/_manga_rain_bleach_ch182_16.jpg?v=11192381201

He also didn't go with Ichigo, Urahara and them to Hueco Mundo.
Then the Arrancar arc came, and after that it was, ok, the next time after THIS, we'll be enemies, then the FB came and he went, OK, THE NEXT TIME, DEFINITELY ENEMIES! Also, to answer some questions, it's not uncommon for someone with a God complex as big as Bach's to accept an "impure" like Uryu into his brood with the "impure" one wanting to be "pure".

[Chimera Cord]

Lawd Jesus issa purgin!

http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t395/Ultrafragor/sweetbrown.gif



Looks like Kubo's continuing his damsel in distress set up.

But this is an obvious feint by Uryu. So it looks like Kubo's also recycling the Gin/Aizen dynamic.

[Serocco]

There was a picture, I think on a volume spread, of Yhwach smirking at the camera. He had the vandenreich symbol and the word "Peace" written in blood. Maybe that "peace with blood" was meant to foreshadow the purge?

[Aizen]

I believe it took Yhwach 999 years to purge the impure and gain their powers.


{If} Ishida is indeed there to join, he likely believes at this point, that his mother was killed by shinigami.

[Chronus]

This sounds awfully confusing.

Masaki wasn't half-blood. She was pureblood. On another hand, Ichigo, Karin, Yuzu, and Uryuu are half-bloods because one of their parents is not pure blood. So why weren't they harvested?

[Sacred Knight]

She wasn't pure blood anymore, not after she was infected by Shiro. That loss of pure blood status is what essentially freed her from the arranged marriage to Ryuuken.

[Bala de Impacto]

This sounds awfully confusing.

Masaki wasn't half-blood. She was pureblood. On another hand, Ichigo, Karin, Yuzu, and Uryuu are half-bloods because one of their parents is not pure blood. So why weren't they harvested?It was because Masaki was infected with the Black Hollow's cells. Once that happened, she was no longer pure in the Quincy's eyes. Also, prolly because she hooked up with a Shinigami and all that.

[Saiyan5ninetail]

This sounds awfully confusing.

Masaki wasn't half-blood. She was pureblood. On another hand, Ichigo, Karin, Yuzu, and Uryuu are half-bloods because one of their parents is not pure blood. So why weren't they harvested?

Masaki was no longer a "pureblood" the moment White bit her and Hollowfied her. As a result, Masaki was no longer a "pureblood" Quincy, and subject to the purge. As for Ichigo, Karin and Yuzu, their father is a Shinigami so they were likely out of reach of Juha Bach. As for Uryu, his mother was a half-blood but his father was a pure-blood, and there might be more significance to the Ishida bloodline than meets the eye.

[Seri55]

@Chronus, Masaki wasn't pure anymore because she was infected with the hollow-this is why she was purged

[Nick]

Pointing out the obvious, there are many elements of Harry Potter here that's being elaborated on:

1. A dark Lord who is obsessed with blood purity and equates purity of blood with power and respect.
2. The Dark Lord who's name is obscured in history makes a return after many years to seek revenge on those who imprisioned/bound him and to destroy the world in general.
3. Uryuu and Ichigo being his "sons" in an indirect fashion is a mix of DBZ (where the Elder Namek is the father of all Namekians) and Star Wars, where Darth is Luke and Leia's father. (NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!)
4. Ishida will not bow to Juha Bach; unless of course he doesn't know the real reason behind Katagiri's death and Juha being behind it somehow.
5. Looks like Aizen started the experiment but Juha just butted in and took over as the bad guy. :D

[Chronus]

Pointing out the obvious, there are many elements of Harry Potter here that's being elaborated on:

1. A dark Lord who is obsessed with blood purity and equates purity of blood with power and respect.
2. The Dark Lord who's name is obscured in history makes a return after many years to seek revenge on those who imprisioned/bound him and to destroy the world in general.
3. Uryuu and Ichigo being his "sons" in an indirect fashion is a mix of DBZ (where the Elder Namek is the father of all Namekians) and Star Wars, where Darth is Luke and Leia's father. (NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!)
4. Ishida will not bow to Juha Bach; unless of course he doesn't know the real reason behind Katagiri's death and Juha being behind it somehow.
5. Looks like Aizen started the experiment but Juha just butted in and took over as the bad guy. :D

Many of those elements are in everything and they don't originate from Harry Potter.

[Sacred Knight]

In regards to Ichigo, Karin, and Yuzu, maybe they were on the list for execution. Perhaps Masaki protected Ichigo and Isshin successfully protected the girls somehow. Considering Juha Bach's limitations, as seen when he had only a set time to wage war on SS, maybe this purge was a similar thing: one crack at it, if you miss any, tough luck till next time.

[Serocco]

So... we still dunno Katagiri's full name?

[Elementalist]

Now, I'm not gonna say that I called that but....

Called it! Juha Bach killing Masaki exactly like I've been predicting, the twist had to be relevant to current events and explain how Bach knew about Ichigo's heritage. Him being the progenitor of the Quincy race is very interesting, I bet hes to Quincy what the Soul King "could" be to Shinigami, so I'm interested in knowing just how he came to discover Quincy powers.

Definitely looking to be the final antagonist of the manga with this twist as well, nothing is more personal than Ichigo's mother, and no villain has had the kind of impact on Ichigo right now that Bach now has. Very nice twist.

Uryu joining Vandenreich? I seriously can't believe it, hes going to be a villain now? I really need this chapter... thanks so much for the spoilers everyone. :)


She wasn't pure blood anymore, not after she was infected by Shiro.

Pretty much, her being infected with hollow rietsu likely "tainted" her in Bach's eyes. Not to mention her being married to a Shinigami/Human hybrid to boot and giving birth to mixed babies is likely taboo.

[Serocco]

How many people were killed because of Yhwach's decision to keep his bloodline "pure?"

How many other mothers, fathers, daughters and sons were murdered because of his obsession with keeping himself "perfect?" How many families were ruined, like the Kurosakis and the Ishidas, because of one man's narcissism?

At least Aizen recognized that he needed to evolve and advance. Yhwach already believes that he's above and beyond everything else, and he's shoving it down everyones' throats.

The scary part is that people not only believe him. They agree with him.

[Andygoesrawr]

Called it!

I called it first! :p

I'm super happy it's happening. I was certain it would be either the Vandenreich or Grand Fisher behind Masaki's death. And since last week's chapter it became more and more unlikely that it would be Grand Fisher. The Vandenreich was the only option tbh.

So I wonder how Juhabach kills people to steal their power. Sklaverei? That's kinda gross. This is reminding me of Orochimaru.

[KAIZER]

AMAZING !!!! the real question is who really pull the trigger on masaki??bach himself??or some one else??anyway thanks the spoiler and translations providers

[Sacred Knight]

If the wound on Ryuuken's mom's leg happened to be from a Hollow attack as well, she'd not be pure-blood anymore either. Wonder if she died on that day too.

[Flare-Flare]

So does this mean Ichigo IS related to Yhwach??? So Yhwach's comment to Ichigo where he refers to him as "son" was a big give away after all?? And oh my goodness, we will be finally seeing Ishida again. I love how the pace is starting to pick up. It seems like this chapter will have quite a bit in it... I hope.

But damn... wiping out non-pure bloods? Ichigo isn't a pure-blood either so it's interesting that Yhwach had wanted him (along with a bunch of arrancar) on his side anyway.

[Bala de Impacto]

I called it first! :p

I'm super happy it's happening. I was certain it would be either the Vandenreich or Grand Fisher behind Masaki's death. And since last week's chapter it became more and more unlikely that it would be Grand Fisher. The Vandenreich was the only option tbh.

So I wonder how Juhabach kills people to steal their power. Sklaverei? That's kinda gross. This is reminding me of Orochimaru.
If the animé ever dubs him, and give him Orochimaru's old lady VA, we are all doomed...even worse if in the english dub he's voiced by Steven Blum.

[Evilution]

So,Everyone's Naruto vs Sasuke ain't gonna happen,Ruck Fules,we'll have an actual Ishida vs Ichigo fight! :D
This chapter seems like the end of the everything but the rain mini-arc,But it seems to me like there is a continuation to this flashback in the near future!
Yhwach is now a Based and Complete Villain.Ichigo have a Reason to make this fight personal now,and we have now an idea about his backstory as a "God" for the quincy race.All we need now is a good introduction and Backstory for the rest of the SR,So they can finally gain some espada-like popularity,and Get Bleach the Rise it deserve! :D
As for people actually wanting Ishida to be a Spy for the gang,well,just think about it!Ishida vs Ichigo in a serious fight!!!Wouldn't this be exciting enough?(if it do happens!)

[Serocco]

Hold on. Another idea popped in my head.

Was Yhwach also the reason Kaoru doesn't have a father?

Maybe that's why we dunno who Mr. Unagiya is?

Also, that's another example of the mother keeping her maiden name and the father discarding his own.

[Sacred Knight]

Technically yeah, all Quincy would bear a relation to him, but considering his age it'd be in a far, far, removed, virtually unquantifiable and meaningless manner in terms of family, though.

[Chimera Cord]

Is Kubo somehow recreating the 3 Major Races on Bleach?
as their theme?

No, he's not.

Now forget you ever had such an offensive thought.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

No, he's not.

Now forget you ever had such an offensive thought.

Not meaning to be offensive. But if you think about the themes that Kubo choose for each "race" on Bleach, that would make sense.

Japanese for Shinigamis. German for Quincies and Spanish (and some other Romance Languages) for Hollows.

[Elementalist]

So I wonder how Juhabach kills people to steal their power. Sklaverei? That's kinda gross. This is reminding me of Orochimaru.

Ironically he also needs some way to stay immortal I'm guessing, so that would be another parallel lol I wonder if its actually by the same method?

I'm also kinda glad that Bach is being presented an irredeemable complete monster, it means the Royal Guard were spot on when calling him and his Quincy actually "worse" than Aizen.

[Sacred Knight]

With these reveals I'm still expecting there to be a Vandenreich connection to Souken's death as well. I think Mayuri's been covering this whole time, perhaps even protecting Uryuu. He's not a half-blood, but he was training one.

[Serocco]

Aizen never killed anyone that he didn't need to kill.

He would slice them up and leave them to bleed to death, but nevertheless.

[Serocco]

Whoops. I'll change that up.

Squad Zero was right in saying Yhwach is worse than Aizen, but that doesn't take away all of the crimes Aizen made. Yhwach is simply a different kind of asshole.

That is also a good point, Tekken. If you kill Yhwach, maybe you kill all Quincies? If he's made it so that all Quincies die if he dies, well, that would mean Ichigo himself would die as well.

[Tekken13]

Think back to chapter 489, it's no wonder why Mayuri said those words to Yamamoto ''' The one who invited all of this was you, Commander, 1,000 years ago. Because you failed to kill that one man''

Maybe killing Yhwach means wiping out the bloodline, thus the Quincies will eventually become extinct. There is similar situation in a show called ''Vampire Diaries'', where killing any of the original Vampires that date back to 1,000 years could wipe out the Vampires that are descendants of that Original's bloodline.

On the flip side, the Spirit King was regarded as the linchpin, as said by Urahara. If he were to die, Soul Society, the world would collapse.

[Zandriz]

From what I'm getting the Quincy race originated from Bach. Ie: Adam. Every child born through the bloodline took a bit of his power. So say that there is a set amount of Quincy power. Every Quincy born draws from this pool making Bach weaker. So he has the undesirable offspring eliminated to take back that power given. It sounds like there was nothing personal just a power consolidation. The 900 years may have been when the Quincy originated. 90 years ago is when Bach came back to play. Following in the back ground or when he started forming the VR. 9 years ago he killed off the unpure to consolidate "his" power. So over the last 9 years he was in a power up phase post purge.

[Bala de Impacto]

From what I'm getting the Quincy race originated from Bach. Ie: Adam. Every child born through the bloodline took a bit of his power. So say that there is a set amount of Quincy power. Every Quincy born draws from this pool making Bach weaker. So he has the undesirable offspring eliminated to take back that power given. It sounds like there was nothing personal just a power consolidation. The 900 years may have been when the Quincy originated. 90 years ago is when Bach came back to play. Following in the back ground or when he started forming the VR. 9 years ago he killed off the unpure to consolidate "his" power. So over the last 9 years he was in a power up phase post purge.
Human instrumentality, the third impact...Tang...Tang everywhere, HOW COME I MUST KNOW~~~~~, ah, wrong show^^;;. This is gonna be a mentally gory chapter for sure.

[Serocco]

It's not personal, no, but it's an incredibly selfish thing for Yhwach to do, Zandriz.

Doubly so if his death triggers the genocide of all Quincies.

[LGD]

It's now clear that uryuu is a SWP.

[ButterflyRose]

I'm glad Katagiri is confirmed to be Uryu's mom. I just hope Ryuken married her out of love and not duty. We'll see...if it's revealed.

Speaking of Uryu: What. The. Eff. AAH! He can't have become a traitor. He just can't
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nope.gif

I'm very happy that Uryu's back (He's been missing from the manga for what, almost a year now?), but I'm not happy with the manner of his return.

Hopefully all of you are right, and he's joined the quincies as some sort of spy. I just can't see him betraying everyone like this...

[igge]

The Dark Lord of the Quincy really is a despicable being. But how does Isshin know this happened?

[Zandriz]

He is evil for sure. He was just cutting the fat off of the slab. He is an ass

[Serocco]

I think Urahara told Isshin of the full story. There's no way Urahara did not notice Masaki's death.

I also wonder why Ikumi is here. Maybe he went back to her and she gave the badge to him. Maybe she came to Ichigo's house.

[Bala de Impacto]

I think Urahara told Isshin of the full story. There's no way Urahara did not notice Masaki's death.

I also wonder why Ikumi is here. Maybe he went back to her and she gave the badge to him. Maybe she came to Ichigo's house.
It's too bad she couldn't stay as an unexpected development, like, I dunno, surprise Shinigami or something. She just came, oh, here's your thingamabob Ichigo, you left it in my house. Remember, same time next week for the therapy, *grabs boobs* these will be waiting if you need any more comfort.

[MaskedOne]

Hmm could this be a connection to the Quincy Genocide? Can't wait to read.

[Deathking]

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOM GOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG.

Katagiri is confirmed to be Uryuu´s mother. Well everyone knew that. Juha Bach is the originator of all quincies is not surprising. There was a lot of people who mentioned he could be the first quincy. Uryuu and Ichigo´s mother´s death is surprising but not after the last chapter. At least not Misaki´s death, i never thought that Juha has killed Katagiri though. Uryuu is going to confront Juha or join him, nah confronts is more like it. He also has heard the truth from his father.

[ButterflyRose]

I'm not really worried about Ikumi. I just think she's one of those somewhat spiritually aware humans. But I could be wrong.

[Sariniste]

Thanks silverquord, Xianghua, and czeliate for the spoilers! :) Wow, that is something! Juhabach not only purged all the "impure" Quincies, but he also stole their powers. So... are there links to the idea of taking people's souls and feeding them to the Hougyoku? We know Kubo is going to explain the concept of "True Blood" in this arc, so is it possible that certain types of souls can't have their power stolen? And what of the Soul King? How is he related to Ichigo and Juhabach?

The conflict between Uryuu and Ichigo has been brewing for over 500 chapters... looks like we're about to get a showdown.

Can't wait to see the chapter! So many questions!

[Tekken13]

From what I'm getting the Quincy race originated from Bach. Ie: Adam. Every child born through the bloodline took a bit of his power. So say that there is a set amount of Quincy power. Every Quincy born draws from this pool making Bach weaker. So he has the undesirable offspring eliminated to take back that power given. It sounds like there was nothing personal just a power consolidation. The 900 years may have been when the Quincy originated. 90 years ago is when Bach came back to play. Following in the back ground or when he started forming the VR. 9 years ago he killed off the unpure to consolidate "his" power. So over the last 9 years he was in a power up phase post purge.

So are you telling me when he killed Yamamoto, he was only at a small fraction of his original power, not counting Vollstandig? Goddamn!! I notice almost every time when a Sternritter reveals the meaning of their letter, they use the word ''bestowed'' or ''given''.

[Serocco]

I think Ikumi knows more than she's letting on.

I think her boyfriend was an impure Quincy, which is why Kaoru has no father shown in the series.

[B. Haddrell]

Thank you very much, Zangetsu01, DraMas26 and everybody else who provides spoilers and translations!

I have just read the first spoilers and – I am so happy! I am posting my first thoughts already. :D

This is more than I hoped for last week – I am so glad that Tite Kubo is giving us more information about Uryuu`s origin as well! And he is back in this chapter! YAY! *happy dance* :)

This is not what I expected and I wonder how all Quincy blood flows in Bach`s blood. Also, why did Bach kill Ichigo`s and Uryuu`s mixed blood mothers but not their mixed blood children. I am very curious what explanation I will find in the new chapter.

It was obvious that Katagiri is Uryuu`s mother but nevertheless, I am glad that this is confirmed now. Also, Uryuu must have memories of his mother because he was only a few months younger than Ichigo when she died.

Well… Ichigo and Uryuu definitely have something else in common now and I am wondering about their reaction.

[Deathking]

Thanks for the spoilers everyone :)

[Saiyan5ninetail]

Thanks silverquord, Xianghua, and czeliate for the spoilers! :) Wow, that is something! Juhabach not only purged all the "impure" Quincies, but he also stole their powers. So... are there links to the idea of taking people's souls and feeding them to the Hougyoku? We know Kubo is going to explain the concept of "True Blood" in this arc, so is it possible that certain types of souls can't have their power stolen? And what of the Soul King? How is he related to Ichigo and Juhabach?

The conflict between Uryuu and Ichigo has been brewing for over 500 chapters... looks like we're about to get a showdown.

Can't wait to see the chapter! So many questions!

The conflict has been brewing for over 500 chapters...despite the fact those chapters showed Ichigo and Uryu growing closer together as comrades? It sounds to me like someone just wants to see Uryu killed off.

Whatever Uryu is doing in the Vandenreich, I am quite certain he is simply trying to infiltrate them from the inside so he can learn more about them and their potential weaknesses. I am not going to entertain the idea of Uryu and Ichigo battling each other to the death.

[Deathking]

Thanks for the spoilers. Hmm, no mention of Grand Fisher in the spoilers, so I'm guessing this is going to be another retcon regarding Masaki's death. Oh well.

Really damn excited to see Uryu again, after what seemed like an eternity.

Yeah, no, there´s no retcon since we never saw how did Masaki die int he first place.

[Zandriz]

Thank you very much, Zangetsu01, DraMas26 and everybody else who provides spoilers and translations!

I have just read the first spoilers and – I am so happy! I am posting my first thoughts already. :D

This is more than I hoped for last week – I am so glad that Tite Kubo is giving us more information about Uryuu`s origin as well! And he is back in this chapter! YAY! *happy dance* :)

This is not what I expected and I wonder how all Quincy blood flows in Bach`s blood. Also, why did Bach kill Ichigo`s and Uryuu`s mixed blood mothers but not their mixed blood children. I am very curious what explanation I will find in the new chapter.

It was obvious that Katagiri is Uryuu`s mother but nevertheless, I am glad that this is confirmed now. Also, Uryuu must have memories of his mother because he was only a few months younger than Ichigo when she died.

Well… Ichigo and Uryuu definitely have something else in common now and I am wondering about their reaction.

Only thing I can think of is he just pulled his power back from the unpure and they died. Uuru and Ichigo must not have unlocked their Quincy powers at that point thus no power to take. We saw from what Bach was saying to Ichigo there is a unlocking process vs born with it. Ie hooking them into their birth rite.

[Belias]

Whatever Uryu is doing in the Vandenreich, I am quite certain he is simply trying to infiltrate them from the inside so he can learn more about them and their potential weaknesses. I am not going to entertain the idea of Uryu and Ichigo battling each other to the death.
IHO, Uryuu is going there to try and take out Bach himself, not in infiltrate them. I'd say we have here another "Tell Your Children The Truth" chapter, except Uryuu's was not shown and happened earlier (only makes sense since we haven't seen him for longer). As a result, we have Uryuu going to handle things himself and It's more likely that he will get captured and "brainwashed" as Bach stated they can do.

[B. Haddrell]

Wait a moment… Uryuu joined the Vandenreich!? Voluntarily!? Oh, please, no! I have a very hard time believing that!

I guess I will learn more when the chapter is out.

Hm, and Bach is the father of all Quincies. Ah, yes, that explains the “my son” line.

A hell of a chapter indeed, Herakles!

[Rouge Slayer]

*walking in clapping*

I should of known Aizen wasn't behind this. Now we can put Aizen back in the player's deck. Now our hopes of him returning is high but not now. As for Uryuu. Kubo and his ending twist on the last page of the chapter. A lot of people were right about Uryu and does Ryukken know?

*clapping again*

Kubo you one genius son of a gun. Good job.

[Deathking]

How did Uryuu know where the VR were? Unless Ryuuken was a member of the VR before his wife got killed, since he cared about pure quincies.

[Zandriz]

Not sure yet. But he may not have been given a choice in the matter.

[Giusel]

I think I had an infarction reading these spoilers :eek:
Why Bach should kill Masaki and Katagiri for their non-pureness, and accept Uryu who's as impure as his mother? The same goes for Ichigo... I hope Bach will explain it better :P

[LGD]

Wait, where do we have it stated that uryuu has joined the vandenreich? Before we have all the infiltration theories, we need some evidence that uryuu has joined the vandenreich.

[Tom2rules]

For how Uyru arrived, I'm guessing that some stuff happened while we were in the SS/Hueco Mundo. Maybe Bach sent another grunt to go greet Uyru and give him a offer? Uyru may have no idea whats been happening (and all the shit Bach has done and been doing) so perhaps he is simply going there to see what the hell this is all about (which could end very badly for him).

[Herakles]

Wait a moment… Uryuu joined the Vandenreich!? Voluntarily!? Oh, please, no! I have a very hard time believing that!

I guess I will learn more when the chapter is out.

Hm, and Bach is the father of all Quincies. Ah, yes, that explains the “my son” line.

A hell of a chapter indeed, Herakles!

I can't see him doing this voluntarily but the spoilers and maybe this chapter will put him into perspective big time. His mother was forcefully killed so Yhwach could strengthen his forces, that doesn't sound too good at all. There would seemingly be an ulterior motive behind Uryu's actions but at the same time emphasises the fact that he avoided going to Hueco Muendo for a reason...

Hmmm? :confused:

Yep, the son line has finally been justified in the most awe striking of ways! The Ancestor of the Quincy was a plausible and finally confirm-able theory!

So exciting, this also explains how Ichigo has Blut considering Yhwach is the father of all Quincy and also justifies why he can strengthen the capability of another Quincy's blut. Uryu should also have Blut as well!

[Dybia]

So Ichigo AND Uryuu's moms were killed by Bach's ethnic cleansing? Interesting.

[eljay]

From what I'm getting the Quincy race originated from Bach. Ie: Adam. Every child born through the bloodline took a bit of his power. So say that there is a set amount of Quincy power. Every Quincy born draws from this pool making Bach weaker. So he has the undesirable offspring eliminated to take back that power given. It sounds like there was nothing personal just a power consolidation. The 900 years may have been when the Quincy originated. 90 years ago is when Bach came back to play. Following in the back ground or when he started forming the VR. 9 years ago he killed off the unpure to consolidate "his" power. So over the last 9 years he was in a power up phase post purge.

The shinigami's faces when they realise that the quincy extermination only made Bach stronger: JUST. AS. FRIGGIN. PLANNED. :eek:

Also, I only just realised extremely belatedly that if the sub-shinigami badge was left with Ikumi, it was so that the shinigami wouldn't overhear Isshin's confessions, now, wasn't it?? ;) Still don't know why this has to be super-duper-secret, especially why wouldn't Isshin let Yama know about Bach being back ten years ago? Hell, how does Isshin even know this? urahara and his lolscience sources....

Finally, if suppose that if Bach didn't absorb Ichigo and Ishida back then, it was because it'd be best to wait for their souls to grow strong before making them useful (whereby he'd get more out of them). Something like that.

Wonder if Ishida knows any of this. Confronting Bach one on one is ridiculous, even he should know that!

[Rouge Slayer]

Wait, where do we have it stated that uryuu has joined the vandenreich? Before we have all the infiltration theories, we need some evidence that uryuu has joined the vandenreich.

I dont think we saying he will join the vandenreich just yet but we are all saying is,

"We knew it was going happen from the beginning of the arc."

I mean I kinda figure it out because of other mangas. This reminds me of Sasuke but different. It depends on how Kubo will run Uryu's role in this arc.

[ButterflyRose]

*Drums fingers impatiently against laptop*

Ah, I want this chapter to come out now. There's so many things I must know! The spoilers have revealed a lot already, but I need to see the characters reactions to things!

With the reveal of the spoilers though, I am certain about two things:

1. I despise Juha. A lot. I want to hit him in various places. Particularly in a place that will make him incapable of having children ever again....
2. Most of me believes that Uryu will not turn on his friends, but a part of me is worried that he will...

*rapes the refreshes button for mangapanda*

[eljay]

IHO, Uryuu is going there to try and take out Bach himself, not in infiltrate them. I'd say we have here another "Tell Your Children The Truth" chapter, except Uryuu's was not shown and happened earlier (only makes sense since we haven't seen him for longer). As a result, we have Uryuu going to handle things himself and It's more likely that he will get captured and "brainwashed" as Bach stated they can do.
*imagines the last panel*: Uryu in chains already, the transformation begins...

Kubo clearly has grand plans for him unless he's going to rapidly proceed to end up like Chad in the fullbring arc. I imagine Uryu will get a shock if he's never seen VR techniquesl before.

Also: Ryuuken and Ishida are... thiiiiis close to being confirmed as war potentials IMO :)

[Rouge Slayer]

*Drums fingers impatiently against laptop*

Ah, I want this chapter to come out now. There's so many things I must know! The spoilers have revealed a lot already, but I need to see the characters reactions to things!

With the reveal of the spoilers though, I am certain about two things:

1. I despise Juha. A lot. I want to hit him in various places. Particularly in a place that will make him incapable of having children ever again....
2. Most of me believes that Uryu will not turn on his friends, but a part of me is worried that he will...

*rapes the refreshes button for mangapanda*

The minute I saw your post, I went to mangapanda to check and see a new gantz chapter. Awesome. Anyway. Back on topic.

I can't believe this chapter. They were right. So we can just say that true villains are down to Bach and the Soul King. We can put Kisuke and Aizen under the bus. They are just two competitive scientist trying win a nobel peace prize for something they created. Plus. That babe giving back Ichigo's soul badge is another thing. It could answer one of your threads that posted up a few days ago.

[Deathking]

This sounds awfully confusing.

Masaki wasn't half-blood. She was pureblood. On another hand, Ichigo, Karin, Yuzu, and Uryuu are half-bloods because one of their parents is not pure blood. So why weren't they harvested?

Not after she was infused with Isshin´s riastsu, and she still had a hollow inside of her, so she´s impure.

[Jayss123]

Ok crack theory here, remember when we first seen Juha Bach people where questioning his look as if he looked alot like Zangetsu could it be that *Blood* that it seems Juha Bach is in all Q. or am I reading to much into it, if not maybe Zangetsu is part of Juha Bach god I hope no I really hope Zangetus is his own being as in Ichigo's soul.

[Serocco]

Here's something I just realized.

Yhwach is the grandfather/forerunner to all Quincies, right? He's their version of the Spirit King, yes? His blood flows through all of them.

That means, Ishida, Ichigo, and so forth - they're all his family. That's his flesh and blood, and he had them butchered because he refused to allow for his bloodline to become impure.

[Rouge Slayer]

*walks in after reading disappointing last page of Gantz*

If Kubo ends Bleach like that, I will rage hard.

Anyway



Ok crack theory here, remember when we first seen Juha Bach people where questioning his look as if he looked alot like Zangetsu could it be that *Blood* that it seems Juha Bach is in all Q. or am I reading to much into it, if not maybe Zangetsu is part of Juha Bach god I hope no I really hope Zangetus is his own being as in Ichigo's soul.

This is the most frightening theory I ever read. I like it but scary. Another thing. U. Ishida's grandfather. Where did he stand when Bach (if he did) killed his wife? So many questions. So many!

[Sariniste]

I have to say I'm really glad that Kubo didn't cut away from the cliffhanger, but instead told us exactly who was responsible for Masaki's death. Yhwach was a bit predictable of a choice, so it doesn't pack the emotional punch I was hoping for. On the other hand, I have to give Kubo credit for not making it a simple murder, but rather cementing Yhwach as a Complete Monster and building up Ichigo's emotional justification for defeating him. I am very intrigued to see the chapter because I want to know more detail. I am interested in seeing Ichigo's emotional reaction. And what's going on with Unagiya and the substitute Shinigami badge?

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Naruto is out, so, pay attention, Bleach soon comming. :)

[Herakles]

Seems awfully hypocritical to say that Yammamoto was a demon when Yhwach hypocritically purges his race due to some Quincy being impure, only to then harness their power. :rolleyes:

I think I am in love with the callousness and treachery. http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/pink-mouse/big-eyes-pink-mouse-emoticon.gif?1292950503

[Serocco]

Shutara said that Yhwach is much worse than Aizen. He's certainly there. Aizen never attempted anywhere close to a purge, at the very least.

However, that begs the question. How do they know so much about Yhwach? Were they involved in the Quincy war?

[Nick]

I have to say I'm really glad that Kubo didn't cut away from the cliffhanger, but instead told us exactly who was responsible for Masaki's death. Yhwach was a bit predictable of a choice, so it doesn't pack the emotional punch I was hoping for. On the other hand, I have to give Kubo credit for not making it a simple murder, but rather cementing Yhwach as a Complete Monster and building up Ichigo's emotional justification for defeating him. I am very intrigued to see the chapter because I want to know more detail. I am interested in seeing Ichigo's emotional reaction. And what's going on with Unagiya and the substitute Shinigami badge?

Perhaps I was the only one here who didn't expect Bach to be the one behind killing Masaki and Katagiri. Kubo's trying to wed the villains (Aizen and Bach) into Ichigo's and Ishida's histories. This brings back to memory a quote that Aizen made during the FKT battle: about the reasons that Ichigo was fighting him for? Now that Ichigo knows that Aizen was involved in the accidental hollowification of Masaki and Bach behind the murder of his mother and his nakama's mother, hopefully we should see a drastically different version of Ichigo in his next Shinigami/Quincy avatar. Now he has a reason to fight, to kill.

[Rouge Slayer]

Shutara said that Yhwach is much worse than Aizen. He's certainly there. Aizen never attempted anywhere close to a purge, at the very least.

However, that begs the question. How do they know so much about Yhwach? Were they involved in the Quincy war?

If you talking about members of Squad Zero, they had to be. Old Man Yamamoto fought him more than 1000 years ago before G13 (not the ruthless one) was started. Well, few of the members. I say at least 2 or 3 of the members was apart of that war.

[Serocco]

I have to point this out as well.

Masaki and Katagiri were family to Yhwach, goddammit.

[Tekken13]

Here's something I just realized.

Yhwach is the grandfather/forerunner to all Quincies, right? He's their version of the Spirit King, yes? His blood flows through all of them.

That means, Ishida, Ichigo, and so forth - they're all his family. That's his flesh and blood, and he had them butchered because he refused to allow for his bloodline to become impure.

Pretty much what I had in mind. His name gives hints to it, Yhwach is practically Kubo's twist on Yahweh(Jewish god). Showdown between the two kings, just to entertain the thought.:D

[Herakles]

I also didn't find it predictable solely because I'd speculated and thought out many reasons as to why and none of them even scratched or came close to Yhwach's reason and this all became white noise in my mind.

So is to say I was awe struck upon reading the spoilers and he purged Masaki/the impure Quincy only to harness their power to strengthen his own. This just further cements the apathy of Yhwach and perhaps even the Vandenreich where he/they are doing anything necessary to achieve their ambitions.

The end justifies the means after all! http://f.mfcdn.net/images/smilies/fox_wow.gif

[Sariniste]

Kubo's trying to wed the villains (Aizen and Bach) into Ichigo's and Ishida's histories. This brings back to memory a quote that Aizen made during the FKT battle: about the reasons that Ichigo was fighting him for? Now that Ichigo knows that Aizen was involved in the accidental hollowification of Masaki and Bach behind the murder of his mother and his nakama's mother, hopefully we should see a drastically different version of Ichigo in his next Shinigami/Quincy avatar. Now he has a reason to fight, to kill.
Yes, this is a good point. It's been a recurring theme throughout Bleach, the reason to fight or kill, the meaning of hatred and the desire for revenge. Although I have to admit I really hope that Kubo doesn't take Ichigo down the path of blind justice... And I believe he won't. Kubo has never gone for the standard justifications for battle, the conventional good versus evil.

But I really, really want to see how Ichigo reacts to Isshin's revelations.






Yhwach is the grandfather/forerunner to all Quincies, right? He's their version of the Spirit King, yes? His blood flows through all of them.

That means, Ishida, Ichigo, and so forth - they're all his family. That's his flesh and blood, and he had them butchered because he refused to allow for his bloodline to become impure.
Yes, it's pretty horrible. And in addition, he wanted to kill them to gain their powers for himself. :(

I really hate Yhwach...

And I wonder if the Spirit King is equally despicable?

[Herakles]

But I really, really want to see how Ichigo reacts to Isshin's revelations.

Yes Sarnisite, I am also anticipating the emotional impact on Ichigo due to this revelation, I am craving it and needing it. Seriously, the theatrics and drama is hopefully going to be intense and fuel the choices made from now on.

Nick bought up a great point about Aizen there, is Ichigo going to overlook everything he did and fight a common enemy? In the end Ichigo is going to protect everyone after all, or at least according to Kisuke he is.

[silverquord]

lol, I just want to drop this off before I go to seclusion... All I have to say is, if the spoilers are accurate, Souken's got balls to completely go against VR and Bach, seeing Bach can just get his power from mixed bloods back, just like that. I wouldn't think that its all just Bach's grace that saved him/them/Ryuuken/Uryuu/Souken from that time, esp with Souken trying to work with shinigamis.

[Serocco]

He purged the half-breeds, so he could harness their power to strengthen his own.

So, that whole thing about blood impurity... was that a lie?

[jofosho999]

Now this chapter will be very interesting. I guess this finally solves all that "Bach is actually Ichigo's dad, and not Isshin" theories. It was pretty clear he was not his dad..but I guess the fact he is the grandaddy of them all??? Sounds like Yu Yu Hakusho's "dad" where that dad was more like an ancestor. Geez.. that does make Bach look like a powerhouse villain. Wonder who's the grandma of all the quincies :p. So this means Ichigo and Ishida are related.. basically all quincies are related through Bach, even that loli quincy Bambietta and Ichigo lol. I still don't get hte part about Masaki dying cause of Bach?? Well..its pretty much obvious at this point that the VR are responsible for her death.

[Aizen]

I can't help but wonder if and which star knight, may of carried out the order and killed Ichigo's mother. As Nodt? The mysterious one who used Mind control on the gate keeper in SS? Or Blondie maybe? I just don't believe Bach carried it out himself.

Have a feeling, Ishida was taken to Bach.

[Sariniste]

I am also anticipating the emotional impact on Ichigo due to this revelation, I am craving it and needing it. Seriously, the theatrics and drama is hopefully going to be intense and fuel the choices made from now on.

YES, it's going to be a very exciting chapter (and rest of the arc), Herakles!!! I can't wait!


All I have to say is, if the spoilers are accurate, Souken's got balls to completely go against VR and Bach, seeing Bach can just get his power from mixed bloods back, just like that. I wouldn't think that its all just Bach's grace that saved him/them/Ryuuken/Uryuu/Souken from that time, esp with Souken trying to work with shinigamis.
Ooh, this is a great point about Souken, silverquord! I completely agree. :D

This leaves room for all sorts of interesting emotional twists and conflicted loyalties, especially involving Uryuu and Ichigo. So exciting!

[nky0411]

so uryuu is joining bach now?
even when his mother was killed by Bach ?
i guess poor uryuu is once again being hide from the truth

[Serocco]

I have to point this out.

Never did it say Uryu was joining the Vandenreich.

Only that Yhwach approached him, apparently, in the Ishida Manor.

[nky0411]

and one more thing ...

why Bach wants to bring Ichigo and Uryuu to his side when these two aren't pure blooded?
He even killed the mothers of both of them just because they are mixed blooded.

One big question here.

[NeoPlatonist]

I am hoping desperately that Uryu does NOT pull a blood brothers and go head to head with his cousin Ichigo.

(Pushing refresh button on Panda)

I was curious about all those 9's.... so I googled it - up popped the wiki pages saying that 9 was an unlucky number in Japan - a homophone for "ku" meaning suffering... I'd be interested if one of you wise translators could confirm that.

(Pushing refresh button again)

Sitting on pins and needles!

[Lortastic]

I still think there's an element of Fullbring that ties into all this impure Blood Quincies concept. I just can't quite get my head around it.

I definitely cannot wait till they animate this arc. I can totally feel a holy German purging OST being played as the Vandenreich slaughter the Shinigami.

Or maybe even Cometh the Hour can be played.

[nky0411]

I have to point this out.

Never did it say Uryu was joining the Vandenreich.

Only that Yhwach approached him, apparently, in the Ishida Manor.

the spoiler didn't mention any place though.
It is just "bach's side". Unsure of the place as of now.

[Zeta Kizzy]

Almost 200 posts and the chapter hasn't even been released.

Sooooo... Ywhach is... Voldemort. You all can't tell me that this whole situation doesn't scream HARRY POTTER.

On the real though.... DAAAAYUUUUM SON! Ichigo actually has a completely legitimate reason to go "My name is Ichigo Kurosaki. You killed my mother. Prepare to die." I wouldn't hold it against him at all if he walked up to Ywhach right now and lopped his head off. I mean, I don't think the world would weep if he'd actually done away with Aizen once and for all, but killing isn't Ichigo's thing. Beating into submission is more his alley. I highly doubt that's going to be his goal for this final arc. He will not get the Renji-Byakuya-Grimmjow treatment. I'd prefer the Ulquiorra treatment but with Ichigo being completely conscious as it's happening. *finger pyramid of doom*

I figured it would be a Quincy more than anyone else but I didn't foresee the reason behind it being "I need my power back. Let's do away with all the Mudbloods so I can be revitalized." That's just... horrible. I need a moment to process my hatred for Ywhach. I'll be around for more when the chapter is released.

Oh and Uryuu? We finally get to see Uryuu after, what has it been, almost a year? We haven't seen him since like the 3rd chapter of this arc.

Thanks for the spoils as per usual.

[Doomhamma]

I have to point this out.

Never did it say Uryu was joining the Vandenreich.

Only that Yhwach approached him, apparently, in the Ishida Manor.

I belive it's vice versa? Uryu went to Yhwach's palace ...

[Nick]

I like it that Kubo is creating two antagonists that pull the readers in two different directions: Aizen is the misunderstood genius and has committed atrocities in Soul Society, viciously Triple H'd people's minds and twisted their views of him and the Soul Society, but yet when he was imprisoned by Urahara's kidou and he screamed about the injustices of the Soul King, for a brief brief moment I thought we were in for a dramatic character reversal. But then you have Bach, a cruel, cunning and ruthless leader who doesn't hesitate to kill his underlings (or descendants rather?) for his own benefit. Even though he's like Aizen in many ways, he is clearly detested for his methods. Props to Kubo for giving us two very distinguished antagonists that make Bleach a great read.

Waiting on the chapter to see Ishida after such a long while. Wonder what Ichigo's reaction face gonna be like?

[B. Haddrell]

I can't see him doing this voluntarily but the spoilers and maybe this chapter will put him into perspective big time. His mother was forcefully killed so Yhwach could strengthen his forces, that doesn't sound too good at all. There would seemingly be an ulterior motive behind Uryu's actions but at the same time emphasises the fact that he avoided going to Hueco Muendo for a reason...

Hmmm? :confused:

Yep, the son line has finally been justified in the most awe striking of ways! The Ancestor of the Quincy was a plausible and finally confirm-able theory!

So exciting, this also explains how Ichigo has Blut considering Yhwach is the father of all Quincy and also justifies why he can strengthen the capability of another Quincy's blut. Uryu should also have Blut as well!

I have a knot in my brain – what I have learned so far is hard to digest.

No, I simply don`t believe that Uryuu has gone bad! Tite Kubo gave Uryuu`s entry in the latest databook the title “Dignity”. I don`t think he would do that if Uryuu turned into an enemy.

Long ago I speculated already that if Uryuu will find a reason to go after the Vandenreich he would do so alone, reverting to his “lone wolf” mentality before he had friends. However Uryuu found out about the Vandenreich, it must have been a serious shock. Maybe he expected to lose his friends after the truth comes out anyway.

Again, as patchy as the information is right now, I can see that this habit of not sharing information has serious consequences.

My guess is, now that I thought a bit more about it, that Ishida and Ichigo are both seen as useful tools. I don`t think Bach will ever accept mixed blood Quincies as equals. Bach intends to use them and throw them away afterwards – not so different from the Quarrancars.

No, I don`t think Ishida has Blut. Otherwise there would have been signs before.

I want to stick with my theory that Uryuu didn`t want to destroy the souls of brainwashed Arrancars if he can help it. This is why he didn`t go with Ichigo.

[Andygoesrawr]

the spoiler didn't mention any place though.
It is just "bach's side". Unsure of the place as of now.

All it says is "the scene switches over to Juhabach". There's no mention of the setting. However, he is definitely welcoming Uryuu, so it's fair to assume Uryuu is entering his territory.

[my2kb22]

Thank you for the spoilers zangetsu:)............. can't wait for the chapter release..... about juha bach being the original quincies and ishida showing himself at the last part....... i'm sure uryuu has some plan of his own when he approaches juha....... no matter.... i like this chapter already hehe

[Black Mask]

So Yhwach is Adam and he made some second impact thing which killed all the half-bloods huh?

I don't get it, this getting too bizarre and creepy for my likes, I just hope Ichigo goes Mugetsu and turns the sun of a bitch to ashes.

Also, my theories start to resound more with the actual series, there is no way Yhwach as a human could achieve godlike powers on his own, he likely had a piece of power taken from a higher being, the original soul king from which all of Bleach's exhistence descends from.

[Herakles]

@B Hadrell,

I too have a knot, we need to relax! :/

No, I can't come to terms with him being evil either but it surely puts him into perspective for now, that is what I mean. But I do believe there is an ulterior motive and Uryu does have the sense of "Quincy" honour, but that isn't the "Quincy" honour he follows (the one of the Vandenreich if any). So I can't see Uryu doing anything callous unless he has been manipulated/brainwashed. The SWP are to be used by Yhwach, we know this much and Uryu seems to be included in his plans now as well; as you said, the information is patchy but Uryu has absolutely no reason to turn against anyone at the moment.

Unless of course it is latent revenge for his Grandfather but even then, he is not that type of person.

More so, he should be able to use it assuming Yhwach grants him this and or something to this extent. It was a theory on my behalf sorry, but if Ichigo has Blut; then Uryu should logically as well.

So excited....

[Sariniste]

I was curious about all those 9's.... so I googled it - up popped the wiki pages saying that 9 was an unlucky number in Japan - a homophone for "ku" meaning suffering... I'd be interested if one of you wise translators could confirm that.

Ah... Fascinating find… I wonder if it's relevant here?


I like it that Kubo is creating two antagonists that pull the readers in two different directions: Aizen is the misunderstood genius and has committed atrocities in Soul Society, viciously Triple H'd people's minds and twisted their views of him and the Soul Society, but yet when he was imprisoned by Urahara's kidou and he screamed about the injustices of the Soul King, for a brief brief moment I thought we were in for a dramatic character reversal. But then you have Bach, a cruel, cunning and ruthless leader who doesn't hesitate to kill his underlings (or descendants rather?) for his own benefit. Even though he's like Aizen in many ways, he is clearly detested for his methods. Props to Kubo for giving us two very distinguished antagonists that make Bleach a great read.

Hear, hear! Excellent summary of the antagonists.



No, I simply don`t believe that Uryuu has gone bad! Tite Kubo gave Uryuu`s entry in the latest databook the title “Dignity”. I don`t think he would do that if Uryuu turned into an enemy.

Long ago I speculated already that if Uryuu will find a reason to go after the Vandenreich he would do so alone, reverting to his “lone wolf” mentality before he had friends. However Uryuu found out about the Vandenreich, it must have been a serious shock. Maybe he expected to lose his friends after the truth comes out anyway.

...

I want to stick with my theory that Uryuu didn`t want to destroy the souls of brainwashed Arrancars if he can help it. This is why he didn`t go with Ichigo.
I'm with you, B. Haddrell. I don't see Uryuu turning evil at all. I think it's more likely that he will have conflicted loyalties, perhaps because of his early training, or perhaps because of some information we don't yet know that Ryuuken or Souken gave him. This is Uryuu's arc, after all, so hopefully we will get a flashback that explains more about Uryuu's beginnings and motivation.

Interesting theory... And potentially plausible.

[ByakuyaMayuri]

so uryuu is joining bach now?
even when his mother was killed by Bach ?
i guess poor uryuu is once again being hide from the truth

We should learn what happen to Gin. Uryuu would most likely cozy up to him, and try to kill Bach himself when he least expect it. I think Uryuu Is going to be another Gin. Either he dies trying or he becomes successful, which will least likely to happen.

I'm afraid that Bleach will start becoming very dark soon. Uryuu most likely will die, which will trigger Ichigos emotions to brutally kill Bach at the end.

[Lortastic]

I think we are killing their site with the refresh spam. Cause hell yeah, I'm certainly doing it.

This chapter is too interesting to not get excited about.

[Andygoesrawr]

I was curious about all those 9's.... so I googled it - up popped the wiki pages saying that 9 was an unlucky number in Japan - a homophone for "ku" meaning suffering... I'd be interested if one of you wise translators could confirm that.

7 and 4 are also unlucky numbers in Japan. It may be an arbitrary relationship, but it may be more than a coincidence.

In the case of 7 and 4, it's because they contain "shi" which is a homophone for "death". 9 is kyuu and suffering is ku, so it's not as close a relationship but the Japanese are kinda crazy about making everything either lucky or unlucky, so I'm sure there's been a relationship drawn.

[Tekken13]

There are more pages now just talking about the spoilers than a Bleach chapter. Kubo is really raising the stacks.

[DraMas26]

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[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Ups, DraMas was faster! :)

[Black Mask]

Did anybody else got an epic feeling from Uryu's clothing? I mean, I am a man and I felt seriously astounded by it!

[Bala de Impacto]

Crud...he's already wearing the duds...

[Nick]

Chapter's out!

[SuirenShinju]

I don't buy Uryuu betraying the others... I mean, his ma is dead because of Juhabach. Some insider secret he perhaps knows into defeating them? Hm, I don't think that'd end well. Uryuu is strong, but no way is he that strong.

[Xianghua]

Wow...
Ichigo is the son born in darkness, Ishida the son born in light. All I can say is, I did NOT see that end coming. Amazing chapter, can't wait for next week now!

[Tom2rules]

Thanks for the update DraMas!

Holy...so Bach stole the power from the imprues, stealing Masaki's power during her battle with Grand Fisher resulting in her death and killed a already weaken Katagiri...

Ichigo's face...wow...

And Uyru...what the hell happened when we were gone?

[Serocco]

Don't just yell out that the chapter's out. Link it!

[Jūshirō]

Holy crap Uryuu!!

Already in the uniform and everything, I'm leaning towards brainwashing here.

This is getting too good :cool:

[Bala de Impacto]

Ichigo's determination, restored. PLAY THAT SONG! If you wanna, ah you know the rest.

[solomon585858]

So Ichigo VS Uryuu coming. Something tells me that Ichigo will lose the first round....

Ichigo will lose and have problems until the end of manga...
I wonder what Ichigo will do from now on

[Sariniste]

Thank you, DraMas! :D

Wow, what a chapter! And what a cliffhanger! I had a visceral reaction against Uryuu wearing that uniform, ugh! No, he can't have gone bad, noooooooo!!! :(

[Tom2rules]

Yep...no weeping for Ichigo this time. He hasn't had a face like that in a long time...and he gots his badge back. Shit is going down~

Sounds like Haschwald has been with Uyru...maybe there was some brainwashing going on...or some massive distribution of wrong information.

[Lortastic]

When I see his face with that much resolve, this plays:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lsn2tT5yTc

It's time to whoop Ywach's ass!

[solomon585858]

I don't think Uryu was brainwashed. I think he joined on his own...

Maybe he is planning to get closer to Bach to strike him down. Like Gin...

[Serocco]

Notice Ichigo's borderline death glare at Isshin when he said "I just didn't save her."

That was rather creepy.

[Belias]

Wow.. that ending... words can not even...

Its clearly brainwashing. Hence the "subject" reference from Bach about Uryuu. I guess some stuff went down since we last saw him. With such a drastic change like this, I think Kubo has got to cover what happened pretty quick.

[jofosho999]

Juha Bach sounds like that undead vampire lord in UNDERWORLD. For those of you in the U.S...you should know that movie with kate beckinsale. This makes awesome sense why Bach never went after the shinigami during the time that they were down and out after Aizne had defeated them. This moves Bach a few notches up in my book of awesome villains. He is pretty much an ancient badass villain. This all makes sense. great chapter.

[dlatowsk]

Holy crap, looks like Uryu really is joining them, interesting title prince of light, does that mean Ichigo is the prince of darkness?

should have refreshed but at least I'm not the only one who got that connection, such an awesome chapter.

[Tekken13]

Wow, what a chapter

Ichigo's response- did not see that coming. I guess he's been through so much sh*t that getting angry or crying isn't going to solve things. Uryu already in Vandenreich attire- did not see that coming. I'm kinda speechless now.

[Serocco]

His intellect, his heart and his power....

... what, no Dorothy?

[nky0411]

I don't think Uryuu was brainwashed.
probably he was told a lie, or he joined the VR to destroy it from within

either way, we got to see Uryuu in full power. Wonder what alphabet he bears .. R "The Rain"?

[Aizen]

Holy crap Uryuu!!

Already in the uniform and everything, I'm leaning towards brainwashing here.

This is getting too good :cool:

Yeah, I would say by using "Where is the subject" I would say he is likely brainwashed.

So, we have the Soul King that lives in basically heaven and we have Bach, the king that hides in the shadows. Thing's are getting interesting.

[Herakles]

Wowowow!

So the equivocation has now been elaborated on, Grandfisher is Masaki's killer in consequence of Yhwach's actions; this has gotten all the more interesting, this begs the question as to why Yhwach had been sealed?

Definitely felt this chapter and definitely felt Ichigo's motivation to become stronger and do what he needs to do now, there is no time for emotion Ichigo is on the field ready to run his 100m sprint to defeating Yhwach.

Oh my Uryu how bad ass are we now? Some re-education has definitely occurred here and Kubo is definitely setting up some interesting altercations in the future!

Need to gather my thoughts so I can write a proper review... My my my I am so happy with this chapter for all the reasons I didn't expect.

[Serocco]

So, he stole their powers and left them for dead, or did they die as soon as he stole their powers?

That's why Masaki and Kanae collapsed. Blut was taken from the former, though I'm not sure what was taken from the latter. Maybe the Quincy Armor?

[Tom2rules]

So, he stole their powers and left them for dead, or did they die as soon as he stole their powers?

It sounds like it just took their powers. Katagiri was already ill so it sounds like the lose of her powers just pushed her over the edge, but Masaki was killed by Grand Fisher due to the fact that the loss of her powers left her defenseless against the hollow.

[solomon585858]

And something tells me that everything Bach doing is for one goal - to strike down Soul King.
Somehow I have a feeling that Bach might be Soul King's son...

So we have Uryuu, possibly Haschwald and Bach as Ichigo's future ultimate opponents. I wonder though why Kenpachi was made this strong.. He won't have any true opponent now except Bach. And Bach is supposed to be the Ichigo's pray...

[Sacred Knight]

Awesome chapter. Loved the revelation. Bach's involvement in Masaki's death required no retconning whatsoever. He just stole her power so she was defenseless against Grand Fisher. Uryuu's appearance in uniform was indeed surprising, but at face value I'm going with him infiltrating the group; revenge for his mother. Or perhaps he's just woefully misinformed right now. I prefer double agent though.

So I guess now, as the RG would put it, Ichigo's got the skills to pay the bills to get his zan back. :)

[Serocco]

Looks like Yhwach also stole Aizen's throne in Las Noches.

[NeoPlatonist]

That look on Ichigo's face ... man ... the darkness in his eyes - an ADULT look - even Isshin reacted to it - I think Isshin was a little scared.

Uryu... the uniform made me so sad - yes let's hope he was brainwashed.

The only thing that made me happy was Lortastic playing THE song! That brought a smile to my face.

[Bala de Impacto]

Looks like Yhwach also stole Aizen's throne in Las Noches.I think that's still the Ice Castle.

[nky0411]

Ok so if Juha Bach used Holy Selection...then how in the world is Yuzu, Karin, Ichigo, and Uryu still alive? Also I hope Kubo has a good and original explanation for Uryu's 180 character spin because if he really did join Juha's side without being manipulated then that is just terrible writing in terms of character development.

Exactly .. i don't get the "mixed-blooded quincies" term anymore.
Is it referring to quincies that got attacked by hollows, or quincies that are descendent of human +quincy ?

[solomon585858]

The biggest question is why Bach wants people like Uryuu, Aizen, Ichigo on his side. It is clear that they are winning this war and they can win it even without those three. The question is why? Bach has to have another goal.

[Serocco]

There's something... I dunno, off about Ikumi.

She had that nervous sweat drop while leaning on a wall right in front of Ichigo's house. With a random umbrella in her hands. Maybe that's over-analyzing, but it's strange how often she pops in right as he needs her.

Ichigo said "dad" when Isshin was in his Shinigami form. Ikumi didn't find that weird how he was apparently talking to someone who was not there?

[solomon585858]

Ichigo IS not the mixed-blood. Uryuu is. Ichigo is Pure Quincy with hollow inside.

[Doomhamma]

And something tells me that everything Bach doing is for one goal - to strike down Soul King.
Somehow I have a feeling that Bach might be Soul King's son...

So we have Uryuu, possibly Haschwald and Bach as Ichigo's future ultimate opponents. I wonder though why Kenpachi was made this strong.. He won't have any true opponent now except Bach. And Bach is supposed to be the Ichigo's pray...

Perhaps Uryu will be Ichigo's "true" opponent? Light vs Darkness? That leaves Bach and Haschwald all to Zaraki alone :)
Any1 noticed that Haschwald and Uryu have almost the same outfit? Perhaps Uryu will take Haschwald's place as Bach's right arm?

Has any1 seen the badge Uryu has ? Is it familiar?

[Ichigo Kurosaki]

Impressive chapter.

Made my day completely.

Ichigo's resolve increased dramatically as Ishida became a VR.

10.10

[Nick]

This is a 10 on 10 chapter. Fantastic art, great wind up to the flashback and an interesting hypothesis as to whether or not allegiances will be tested over the upcoming chapters.

[Serocco]

Hey, someone brought up the picture of all those Stern Ritters. One where Driscoll and Haschwalth were standing behind Ichigo.

There were three other characters behind him. One of which had the same hairstyle as Ishida now.

[Sacred Knight]

Translations are a slippery slope, but this one at least doesn't say that Bach targeted ALL Quincy's of non-pure blood. It just said he made a selection. Could be that he just took what he needed from the most powerful of the non-pures and left the rest alone.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

9 years ago he stole the powers of every impure quincies, right.

Ichigo and Uryuu has.. 5 or 6 years back there?
What if when he did the "Quincy Selection", the ones who survived got.. Purified?

Or maybe, Kurosaki and Ishida are "Noble Families", and they could survive the selection even getting mixed. blood.

Masaki didn't die only because the selection, as Isshin said she was still a pure-blooded. She got weakened and Grand Fisher made a last hit.

[nky0411]

Ichigo IS not the mixed-blood. Uryuu is. Ichigo is Pure Quincy with hollow inside.

How can Ichigo be pure-blooded when his mother is mixed-blooded?

Whether the term "mixed-blood" refers to quincy descendent of human + quincy or quincy which got attacked by hollows ... Ichigo can't be a pure blood quincy because his father is not quincy, and his mother was attacked by hollows

[Deathking]

I am waiting for a better translations. 999 numbers needs more clarifications.

Anyhow Katagiri being Uryuu´s mother is not a surprise, but that Juha Bach killed her is. The way he did it is also surprising that means that he can take any quincy power anywhere at any time. It reminds me at the ant queen in HXH, that she could telepathically communicate with her subjects everywhere.

I don´t think that Uryuu will be joining them especially after Juha Bach was responsible of killing his mother. If he joins it would be a nice curve ball though in light of recent revelations.

[Herakles]

He stole the power of Quincy he deemed to be impure, he could have reconsidered stealing Uryu and Ichigo's power in chance that he knew they'd become assets in the future. Or something to this extent.

[my2kb22]

Great chapter another one that tops the previous...... nice roll kubo:)

So its because of juha bach that masaki died and katagiri died which is now confirmed to be ishida's mom,... its because of the technique "holy selection" where he stole their powers to fill his, he must have selected those he deemed impure and not necessarily half bloods(depending on better translation, this part is a bit wordy hehe).... he regained his heart 900 years, his intellect by 90 years, and his power for 9 years..... who the hell was watching over him when he had only his heart lols?:),

And i agree with jofosho999 for referring it to the first vampire in the underworld series, Alexander Corvinus, to which every vampire and werewolves has his bloodline, and the heart, intellect, and power resembles the harry potter series lols, juha bach is alexander corvinus and voldemort in one

Also it was explained here that masaki used blut vene(that is why whitey could not do much damage to her), isshin just realize it lately..... and probably ishida can as well by training, because his dad is a pure blood, like ichigo's mom is

The last page was the best:), ishida in vandereich uniform...... is he brainwashed and was captured offscreen like Belias mentioned because of the "subject" phrase...... or did he go by his own will, if its the later then i know he has some sort of plan because juha bach is the reason why her mom died and why ichigo's mom died as well.... the other question is where will ryuken be in all of this?

[nky0411]

Hey, someone brought up the picture of all those Stern Ritters. One where Driscoll and Haschwalth were standing behind Ichigo.

There were three other characters behind him. One of which had the same hairstyle as Ishida now.

as many were speculating on, the middle guy is most likely ishida uryuu

[Deathking]

I have to say I'm really glad that Kubo didn't cut away from the cliffhanger, but instead told us exactly who was responsible for Masaki's death. Yhwach was a bit predictable of a choice, so it doesn't pack the emotional punch I was hoping for. On the other hand, I have to give Kubo credit for not making it a simple murder, but rather cementing Yhwach as a Complete Monster and building up Ichigo's emotional justification for defeating him. I am very intrigued to see the chapter because I want to know more detail. I am interested in seeing Ichigo's emotional reaction. And what's going on with Unagiya and the substitute Shinigami badge?

I liked that a lot. Instead of simply go and kill and can just take powers away.

[NeoPlatonist]

Hey I think maybe we've got this all wrong. Looking at Uryu's uniform again, it now seems obvious that he designed it himself. Perhaps Bach simply needed a good tailor?

[silverquord]

... and that, ladies and gentlemen, is something I would coin a 10/10 for. (ok maybe a 9.5/10 or a 9/10... I can't decide at the moment. I'm pretty sure Kubo can still get better, and ideally he should have something better than this :) Notice the nice little picture frame on Ryuuken's table? yep that's enough and speak volumes.

'sides, I'm going to have to wait for other translations to finalize the rating and get my thoughts in order. In any case, that's how he should make an impact :) I certainly like the last page A LOT.

[Tom2rules]

Perhaps Bach only target Impure Quincies that actually had power with them at the time.

While they were alive at this point, Ichigo and Uyru were still basically powerless, with all their power still needing development and room to grow. Maybe Bach only targeted Quincies that had developed powers since if he targeted ones like young children then he would have gotten very little and what he would have considered worthless at the time.

[nky0411]

I am waiting for a better translations. 999 numbers needs more clarifications.

Anyhow Katagiri being Uryuu´s mother is not a surprise, but that Juha Bach killed her is. The way he did it is also surprising that means that he can take any quincy power anywhere at any time. It reminds me at the ant queen in HXH, that she could telepathically communicate with her subjects everywhere.

I don´t think that Uryuu will be joining them especially after Juha Bach was responsible of killing his mother. If he joins it would be a nice curve ball though in light of recent revelations.

that would be too overpowering...
if Bach can do that, mean he can K.O. Ichigo any time.

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

Perhaps Bach only target Impure Quincies that actually had power with them at the time.

While they were alive at this point, Ichigo and Uyru were still basically powerless, with all their power still needing development and room to grow. Maybe Bach only targeted Quincies that had developed powers since if he targeted ones like young children then he would have gotten very little and what he would have considered worthless at the time.

That makes sense. Maybe they weren't aware of their "Quincy Powers" by the time. And if they don't have awaken it, how could it be stolen?

[Belias]

I would believe Tom is correct. Would make sense that Bach would only take powers from Quincies that had them at the time. This would leave Ichigo and his siblings out of it.

[Skip00]

either way, we got to see Uryuu in full power. Wonder what alphabet he bears .. R "The Rain"?

That would be interesting considering his name!
雨竜 (Uryū)
The first kanji means "Rain" and the second is "Dragon" :D

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

That would be interesting considering his name!
雨竜 (Uryū)
The first kanji means "Rain" and the second is "Dragon" :D

I bet it will be something with Dragon.

One thing that isn't clear to me: Is Juuha Bach the "Quincy God" or he is gathering reishi to wake the God?
Maybe, Prince of Light refers to him.

[nky0411]

That would be interesting considering his name!
雨竜 (Uryū)
The first kanji means "Rain" and the second is "Dragon" :D

Yeah, it was inspired by his name, especially when he has the ability to shoot so many arrows at the same time.
That skills wasn't demonstrated by any known quincies so far (even Kirge only able to shoot 5 at a time)

[Sacred Knight]

I think its worth also taking into consideration that the chapter (again, this particular translation at least), does not indicate yet any sort of ill will on Bach's part toward non-pure blooded Quincies. Just think that's worth pointing out because it could very well be that he has no ill will toward them in theory, but was just being pragmatic about who are the most disposable. How can he replenish his power without also sacrificing the most powerful for his army, in other words.

[Serocco]

Did Ryuken allow Uryu to join the Vandenreich?

[Kid-chan]

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Holy Effin Epic!!!
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Ahh...Ahhemm...

Amazing chapter!! I'm wondering though if Masaki tried to protect Katagiri from Ywach and got her powers stolen as a result, because Ywach wouldn't steal from pure blooded quincies. Masaki must have stood up against the tyrant to protect Katagiri and refused to join his rank. http://i.imgur.com/h0O5pdN.gif