Making students do more

[emoloz]

Ok well today while i was waiting for my class because my college is built onto a school i overheared some conversation. The conversation was between pupils and teacher of course and there bringing in this new scheme for children with higher abilities to take their exams earlier. Like for example take there high school exams a year earlier than planned. The childre are only 12 years old and are being told this by there form tutors in a way from what i was hearing a bit bit antagonising.

What is your opinion on this?

I think that its wrong. It puts too much pressure on a child at such a young age. I think that qualificiations should be spread. I saw a lot of people when i did mine go through a lot fo stress and some had to retake exams they had already sat before and passed so they had even more pressure on them to get higher grades. They will also feel a failure if they don't get picked to take the exams earlier and if all their friends do it will pressure them to get mixed into groups that they might not want which again puts more pressure on a child.

[spacecat]

I dunno I remember a girl in year 11 when i was in 11 did the year 12 exam with the current year 12'ers, she aced it. Like seriously got more than they did. I guess it's ok but no not every kid should be expected to perform like that. I suppose the student should have the option of doing it or not and no one should be forced to.

[Syn]

It depends a lot on the kids o___o I remember a kid when I was in elementary school who skipped two classes but ended up failing his junior high school because he felt bad basically.

It depends on the case I guess @_______@

[Primera Espada]

Around here, you can actually take classes in the summer during highschool, and do other things in order to test out of certain classes, allowing you to graduate a year earlier.

Or, in elementary, if you're good enough, you can move up a year.

However, there's no "12 grade test" for us. Instead, every class you take in highschool has an exam you have to take. When you've passed all the ones required, you pass highschool. You have to take certain ones before others (like you have to take chemistry before physics, geometry before trigonometry) and that's how the grades are divied up (everyone taking the first set in freshman year, the second set in sophomore year).

In those situations, it's really up to the kid.

However I have discovered that being 17 when you graduate usually kills your ability to socially connect to the adult world. It is, however, great for those who are going off to college for 4, 6, or 8 years. If you're a doctor, it's great to start when you're 17, so you can finish by the time you're 25. Then, while all your friends are just now settling into a job that "pays the bills" you earn three times their wages, and are in an ideal spot to marry and have children.

So, there's good, and bad things.

I for one dislike the pressure to surpass others academically. You should be pushed to succeed, not to do MORE than succeed. That tells them that what's good enough for the rest of the world isn't good enough for them, and leads to either conceit, or low self esteem.

[stifflersthedog]

I feel that (and i dont mean this in a bad way) but children who tend to have very high academic skills, tend to suffer a little when it comes to socialisng. They just struggle to fit in. I think its important to graduate with your age group, as you generally have a strong social connection which lasts on into adulthood. My ideal would be for a strong academic child to remain in his current grade, but just be offered additional classes, and tutoridge. That way the get the best imo Good social development, and proper stimulation for there minds :P

I have an example of a guy i know on the net (no one hear) that is very clever, but because of this he is also very cocky (probably because he's been treated as some genious kid whose above everyone else) and despite his brain, his lack of social abilty, makes him come across as very unlikeable, If his teachers had left him in his grade, and he had developed skills like "being humble" etc. he would have been a much more rounded person.

[Zelos]

i think putting pressure on kids is a bad idea because it really puts them at risk for burning out. my friend in high school was one of those who felt like she had to get perfect grades in all of her classes and did all the extra work. meanwhile, i was content with my B's and C's, not putting in 100% but at least i was still getting all the material. well, after graduation, i still was feeling good about education so i went straight to my current college the fall after i graduated. my friend, however, was so sick of school that she decided to take a year off. well, that was 3 years ago and she still has no motivation to go to college. all that extra pressure and work in high school really just burnt her out.

theres more and more pressure on younger kids these days to do better in school. like whats up with kids needing to do massive tests in elementary school? at that age, they should be out playing and being kids instead of worrying about tests and stuff. where i live, they are trying to make sure kids can read before graduating kindergarten. getting a head start is nice but come on, thats a bit early to make kids work like that. theyre still practically babies at that age.

[HighSeraphShin]

Students like me do more work because I wish to do it, I want some challenge atleast, I say that America spoils its children and tells them "you can do it later" . I think it is needed to be a sane intellectual such as myself.

I can be consider a little to sophisticated for the other children my age, but it is a risk to pay for perfection, I dont socialize well, but I still keep a mind of sanity....somewhat

[LiquidTheBrit]

I, for one, don't like the education system in the area I'm in. Usually, I end up teaching myself most of the things. (For example, I'm temporarily teaching myself Russian, and I'm probably going to go for lessons when I get the chance) I prefer to be challenged. =/ Actually, my IQ has lowered since I've moved here, which I find curious. (Time to study WHY that may be)

[Jhaxe]

I don't particularly like the Education system in my area. Not entirely anyway. Everyone is biased towards a particular mindset and I've noticed ignorance of the real world seems to be a chronic illness among my peers. But they can stay put in their little bubbles of adolescent thoughts and actions. I moved on from that stage a good 5 years ago and will never return to it. (lest my sanity erodes from being around imbeciles constantly...more than it already has...)

But for the purpose of debate, I don't think children should HAVE to do more. I think they should take their own initiative, like myself for example. I'm taking both Japanese 2 and Chinese 1 this year because I want to challenge myself (for lack of ever being challenged due to my school system), and I had wanted to do so earlier but (my school system again) I was not offered the opportunity.

Personally, I believe that school systems should OPEN more to students instead of telling them they HAVE to do something. I believe it allows the students themselves to make choices...

Unlike in my school system where the authoritative figures believe that telling us we're all useless scum (sugar-coated of course) and we should do everything we're specifically told to do will help us later in life. Why they believe making us slaves to authority instead of allowing us our share of learning by experience will actually help us every become independent figures in the world I'll never know.

I also dislike the learning stereotype in my school. 'Pass all the average classes and take spanish as your language and you'll do fine in life.' That's basically what everyone in my school system lives by. Hence why there are 5 classes of 30 Spanish 1 students and 1 class of 9 Japanese 1 students.

Also, my school system doesn't open many advanced opportunities for gifted students. They're biased towards recognition worthy achievements (sports, winning academic contests, etc) than actually 'in class room' achievement. Apparently they have a belief at least to my observation that if you cannot achieve victory in competition, then you will not achieve anything. But that's my school system.

What I'm really getting at is that NO, I do not believe students should be FORCED to take a more difficult path. I believe they should be given the opportunity to do so without authoritative interference. The use of force results in stress while the will of one's own desires will ultimately give them the initiative they need to succeed if they so have to the will to do so.

[LiquidTheBrit]

I don't particularly like the Education system in my area. Not entirely anyway. Everyone is biased towards a particular mindset and I've noticed ignorance of the real world seems to be a chronic illness among my peers. But they can stay put in their little bubbles of adolescent thoughts and actions. I moved on from that stage a good 5 years ago and will never return to it. (lest my sanity erodes from being around imbeciles constantly...more than it already has...)

But for the purpose of debate, I don't think children should HAVE to do more. I think they should take their own initiative, like myself for example. I'm taking both Japanese 2 and Chinese 1 this year because I want to challenge myself (for lack of ever being challenged due to my school system), and I had wanted to do so earlier but (my school system again) I was not offered the opportunity.

Personally, I believe that school systems should OPEN more to students instead of telling them they HAVE to do something. I believe it allows the students themselves to make choices...

Unlike in my school system where the authoritative figures believe that telling us we're all useless scum (sugar-coated of course) and we should do everything we're specifically told to do will help us later in life. Why they believe making us slaves to authority instead of allowing us our share of learning by experience will actually help us every become independent figures in the world I'll never know.

I also dislike the learning stereotype in my school. 'Pass all the average classes and take spanish as your language and you'll do fine in life.' That's basically what everyone in my school system lives by. Hence why there are 5 classes of 30 Spanish 1 students and 1 class of 9 Japanese 1 students.

Also, my school system doesn't open many advanced opportunities for gifted students. They're biased towards recognition worthy achievements (sports, winning academic contests, etc) than actually 'in class room' achievement. Apparently they have a belief at least to my observation that if you cannot achieve victory in competition, then you will not achieve anything. But that's my school system.

What I'm really getting at is that NO, I do not believe students should be FORCED to take a more difficult path. I believe they should be given the opportunity to do so without authoritative interference. The use of force results in stress while the will of one's own desires will ultimately give them the initiative they need to succeed if they so have to the will to do so.


I pretty much agree with you, actually. Instead of being 'forced' to learn, we should be given opportunities, and get the influence we need to become individuals instead of sheeple.

It's times like this I kind of miss being in England with education-obsessed Tony Blair. Besides, he's not in office anymore.

[HighSeraphShin]

Lol, Tony Blair, I am edjucated obsessed as well, I miss those days...actally being challenged, but im being sent to 8.5th grade...wtf?
Then sending me to ninth and all honors, confused, they try to push me hard, but americas subjects are oh so easy, anyone else agree

(Some guy "eww a NERD!")
Wtf?

[LiquidTheBrit]

1st: A nerd is a kind of candy, you tard! XP [joking]

2nd: "education"

3rd: *whips out wallet and takes out another 2 cents* If you never lived in England, then how can you miss being challenged, as you say that you're not challenged in school?
I never found anything challenging unless it required me to think. In my school, not even math requires me to think or do any sums in my head. Writing it down just makes it easier, and not everyone has a notebook, pencil, and calculator when they're out shopping.

America's subjects aren't "easy"; they just don't challenge you. At least, not in my area. Being the student myself, education IS an important subject to me, but I'm not quite obsessed with it. However, I'm just a kid with no life, and I really can't change much. (Not without supporters, at least. However, I DID cause a bit of chaos in the lunch room a few times, hehe.)

What was (IMHO) a great idea, in my old school, was the way they did mandatory classes. (As in, maths, sciences, English lit, etc) For the first few weeks, you were in the same classes as the people in your homeroom. After you take a certain few tests(ex. in mental maths, maths with calculators, and maths without calculators), they grade you based on your performance in class and performance on the tests, then send you to another class. No matter which class you're in, you learn the same thing as everyone else, but at a different level. (exaggerated) example: One class would be doing questions like "12,346 + 31,247", while another would be doing "434,239.683 + 873,187.482".

[Jhaxe]

No, you're right, American subjects DO NOT challenge students (at least the ones I've taken)....so I take as many foreign classes as possible, my best attempt at some form of mental challenge.

And that's an odd way to teach, but I can see how it works. In my school we have Academic English and Regular English. One class reads 4 Shakespeare plays and 5 books with mounds of work, the other reads 2 plays and 3 books, but gets the same basic lessons for the year.

[emoloz]

I feel that (and i dont mean this in a bad way) but children who tend to have very high academic skills, tend to suffer a little when it comes to socialisng. They just struggle to fit in. I think its important to graduate with your age group, as you generally have a strong social connection which lasts on into adulthood. My ideal would be for a strong academic child to remain in his current grade, but just be offered additional classes, and tutoridge. That way the get the best imo Good social development, and proper stimulation for there minds :P

I have an example of a guy i know on the net (no one hear) that is very clever, but because of this he is also very cocky (probably because he's been treated as some genious kid whose above everyone else) and despite his brain, his lack of social abilty, makes him come across as very unlikeable, If his teachers had left him in his grade, and he had developed skills like "being humble" etc. he would have been a much more rounded person.

I so understand what you mean. My old best friend is so like that. She can't cope with people and socialise right because all shes been taught is to get the grades and do well or you will get nowhere. She can be very arrogant sometimes for no reason as well and she won't stop til she gets what she wants. And she hates it when she goes to partys and stuff because she feels like she can't do anything. She also hates it sometimes when i have a laugh with others i cna see it because she doesn't understand and it makes her all paranoid and stuff. She also suffers from extreme paranoia as well. Though i think shes learning slowly to deal with these situtations. And i notice that sometimes she kinda relys on me to do things like she wouldn't go anywhere if i don't turn up because she knows i will be the kind friend and listen to her while my others don't know how to deal with her sometimes and disguard her. Which is really not nice to be honest but it happens. Thought i can see why they don't bother with her sometimes.

I think too much pressure on students can sometimes cause them to become empty shells and all they know is a direction of getting the grades and achieving well. The lack personality and all they ever talk about is what grade they got, about lessons, class and stuff like that and nothing else seems to interest them. Then they find a topic of interest and they fixate over it for far too long and don't take into other peoples considerations. I guess this view is a bit too tainted on my friend but i have seen other students in my time as well acting the same way.

There nice people and all but when it comes to persona and socilaising they struggle with it.

[HighSeraphShin]

To clarify, I am not from englland, but i am still from another country, you may think of it as well....coughfranciascough....yea.....they are strangley more challenging, never expect that eh?

[LiquidTheBrit]

1st: Lesson 4 of my life: All town markets have a certain degree of shadiness. Even overseas.

2nd: And I can't remember what it is that makes me do well in school... When I'm slightly pressured, I seem to do better than either of the extremes. I guess I just never let the pressure get to me, whether for better or for worse. (Usually worse; I can hardly ever bring myself to do the work. -_-'')

Edit: And Shinso, how the hell would someone never expect French education to be more challenging? How is it strange?

[Sergelia]

Being a bit of a nerd myself, I'm all for it. As long as the person in question is old enough (and experienced enough) to realize his own potential and decide for himself.

If I didn't manage to enter the high school I wanted (Language HS, Japanese department) and if I had no choice but to enter the normal one, I'd probably apply for the two-years-for-one scheme and try and finish it out-of-school, in two years. It's just that... look, I have a pretty normal social life, I go to parties and fit in nicely. But I have priorities, and I feel I cannot make use of my full potential if I'm surrounded by people who couldn't care less about life as long as they can go to beer parties every other day and live on their parents' money till they're thirty. And trust me when I tell you - there's an INCREDIBLE number of such people where I live.

But... that's not the problem. About the kids you mentioned in the OP, no one should be FORCED to give his best. If they want to give their exams earlier, then they shouldn't be prevented from doing so, however from what I gather this isn't the case in your example. It's true that you can't have it all and that (unfortunately) most of the time you have a choice between a rich social life and incredible academic success.
I hate it when I see kids whose minds were shaped at 7 that they had to always be best. That's horrible. They basically never got the chance to think for themselves. I for one study hard because I like to do it. Some kids study hard because they can't really do much else... and sadly, it's mostly not their falt.

[♠ Saint ♠]

Hmm... I believe it was my governor, Mr. Jeb Bush who not too long ago advocated that high school students choose a major while still in highschool. While not a bad idea, I do not think it should be mandatory. Granted, since we could choose our classes at my highschool, I formatted my education for a military career (which fell through) and I wound up as a security guard.

Not everyone is out to be a genius in the world and not everyone is capaable of that. I know people from highschool that are the happiest folks in the world doing simple vocational things like being mechanics or bartending. Sadly, college is necessary to get to where the real money is and it seems like a lot of schools and parents pressure their children for college.

Me for example. When I was 6, my mother had an IQ test run on me because my kindergarten teacher thought I was retarded. The test came back as a 135 IQ with the visual acuity of a 30 year old. So the diagnosis was no, I was not stupid. I was bored. Which was why I never paid attention in class and while I did my work perfectly, I did not care about it, finding it pointless and useless.

They stuck me in gifted studies in the 5th-8th grade. That was all fine and dandy but while I excelled in analytical thinking and literary pursuits and history, I could not get a good grasp on math and mathematical concepts. They pushed physics on me in the 6th grade, which I failed miserably. Teachers heaped on homework, blah blah. I was so glad when I graduated from high school.

It may be a bit better if schools tried to not make some state-wide grading scale tried instead to actually prep kids for the real world. Offer training programs for mechanics and other entry-level stuff as opposed to trying to push kids to college all the time.

[stifflersthedog]

The reason why children are heaped with all the theory instead of the practice is because, and in the word of my Sociology professor you need to enlarge your bucket before you fill it. Practical experience my prepare you for the real world, in terms of money, and a stable work life, but theory expands your mind, and opens up new ways of thinking, and interpreting the world.

At least thats how i see it.

Also IQ test are useless imo, they dont test "true" intelligence, and can have serious negative effects if the child finds out his/her score. i.e. they can think themselves worthless at a low mark, or think there gods gift with a high one. When they could have just had a bad day/gotten lucky.

Thinking as far as i remember progress from the simple>analytical>abstract.

I think that children who have a high grasp of what is being taught to them should be givin an earlier opportunity to "expand there bucket" or as i took it "think abstractly" they expand until there limit, and then the bucket is filled, until they are ready to expand again.

Hmm i probably sound like a crackpot :P

[Jhaxe]

They try to get everyone to push towards college in my school. And the students who don't are just forgotten by the administrators. Like my friend Brandon. He's a goth, and he gets in fights, but he's not stupid, and he really likes technology, but...the principal basically said he has no future. See, he hit me in the back with his backpack one day and it left this big red mark, and my boyfriend found out and got angry, but I managed to calm him down. However, the principal got word and called us to the office, making sure my BF wasn't going to get in a fight...but what he said almost made me gape...using words like "guys like him grow their hair long and wear dark clothes and act different"

It really PMO, so I find it strange that they push all the students to go to college, and when a few seem like they're not, they just drop them in the dirt and classify them as underachievers. It's kinda sad really.

I, on the other hand, have been BORED since...forever? I've never been challenged, and I've told people that, but they simply ignore me, because they believe their curriculum is suited for all students, when it's not. I WANT to take harder classes, but they don't offer any. It's like my Science class last year. IT was 'ACADEMIC' Science, but apparently, my school believes Academic is 'C' and up. So I was in their with a bunch of ingrates who talked like there was no tomorrow, so basically, we barely learned anything about actual Earth Science all year, even though my teacher was a Geologist. She actually said to me after class one day "I'm sorry you have to be in a class with most of these people, because you are truly gifted." (Note: she appears to be the only person who's ever acknowledged that about me)

So, my school basically tries to put everyone on TWO different levels, even though there are MANY that they should have available. Forcing students to make decisions without adequate choices is awful. I'm beginning to think I should have taken up that offer to go to an All-girl's private school with Advanced classes, because my school system is messed up.

Also, my school seems to like people who get public achievements more than the ones who achieve in the actual classroom. I've seen people who get great grades in their classes, but the teachers don't acknowledge them, and instead, only acknowledge those whose win competitions, regardless of what they're like in class. I'm tired of things like that. I don't want to be forced to win in competition to be considered advanced.

@Saint- In my school, when they put you in gifted, they don't even offer any different classes. They just say you're gifted and give you three extra projects a year. That's the sad situation in my school system.

EDIT-

@Stifflersthedog- I understand what you're saying and you're right, and that was the way I learned myself. However, I get the feeling that a lot of those around me didn't take that approach.

[Shinrin]

I'd say no.

Unless they at "RARE" occations make a class from kindergaten with only "super" students.
One need to remember school is about more then to study.

[Sergelia]

A gifted class? :D

Meh, I wish we had such thing as a "gifted" class here. -__-' Consider yourself lucky that at least the idea exists. Here, you get randomly stuck in a class with 23 or more kids with totally different interests and ambitions (usually none at all), and you stay happily together listening to same classes for 8 long years. Every little speck of originality one might have has to be developed on his own time and money... a lot of it.

[♠ Saint ♠]

@stiflersthedog - I had an ego long before I found out my IQ score. Mostly because while some kids were still drawing sunshine and rainbows, I was actively expanding my art skill. I would stare at an object for hours and remember what my father told me- that all things are made of shapes. Find the shapes and draw them. So I did. I was that kid that liked jeans and flannel shirts, and turtlenecks who was either drawing or reading in a corner. Heh, what I would be reading was usually 4 or 5 grade levels above what I was currently in. Despite all that, I cannot stomach anything by Jane Austen.

[Jhaxe]

I always thought of myself above the other students, and I still do...I can't help it...I was always thinking on a higher level, and I disassociated myself from my peers because of it....

[Rain]

Off-topic- The IQ test is completely useless. My IQ is high (above 140) but it can only test a small portion of intelligence

On-topic- Students should be required to be at a certain level (it suprising how many aren't and are still passed) but as for making them do more, no. Pushing them too hard can be worse than not pushing them at all

[HighSeraphShin]

your story is the same as mine, jhaxe, I discluded myself form everyone because it was obvious to all of them i think on a way different level, and like different things,thats partially why i dont have lots of friends, noone thinks anything of me, and the fact that the teachers are putting me in some crazy half grade thing, i would say they are making me do much more work, but im fine with it, lol, i help battou with his homework XP hes in 12th grade, im in
8th

[Jhaxe]

@Rain- I have people in my grade (10th) that can't even write a sentence with proper grammar (as in...REAL words...capitals....punctuation...writing ON the line....) (.___.)

i.e.- In 8th grade...we had an exercise where the first person in the row would start a story, write one sentence, and pass it back so the next person could continue...The person in front of me started it off with "on day I done went to done the street" My expression was something like... '_' combined with O_O... (O'_'O?!!!)

@HighSeraphShin- I'm labeled...the smart girl...people always go "yes" if I'm in their group for some lame group assignment because they believe that "the smart girl" will get an A FOR them. That's all I'm considered as in my school.... >> Few friends...but of course EVERYONE is my friend if I'll get them an A... -_-'' I find myself wondering how my peers will ever function in reality once their little bubbles of adolescence pop. It boggles me...but if they won't raise their own standards...I don't know why they believe I'll raise it for them...because I won't...and my school system won't either...

[Teishu Soukutsu]

It's important that every kid realizes education and school is for their own good and not a punishment. If those 12 year olds choose not to take the exams, then they shouldn't be forced to. -.- I kind of regret not skipping 1st grade.. maybe I'd be a different person right now... I wanted to skip it but my mother thought i would miss something vital... luckily I learned the alphabet and had no problems reading and writing and what not in second grade...:yell

sigh... right so... Pushing the kid and forcing him/her to study wont work if he/she doesn't realize it's needed...-_- I'm forced to learn english for example... Apparently the only right english is the queen's english and so fighting against it every english class is a small battle against the teacher... So far i've won 3 out of every 4 debates we have... btw i'm starting 10th grade this fall.. :yellGod damn history teacher makes me install software and stuff on his pc while the others get to study.. i should rat him out to the police having a child search for pirate software...-.-

bleh i went on ranting i hope i made a point >_>

[emoloz]

The way i see it i that kids are being pressured to do well so young that in the future they will have no idea where they stand because all they have ever know is to be pushed to do well and when they reach whereever and theres no longer any pushing to do well they will flop and fail.

I have never been pushed to do well at anything and i know what my limits are and i have taught myself to do well and with that i have. I don't think you need to be pressured to do well. You need to completely relaise it yourself. Of course from time to time you need encouragement but not pushing because thats all you will ever know and will forever need pushing to get where you are.

Like some of you have said you have abandoned peers because you want to achieve better alone/ This is something you have relaised and done for yourself and imo its the best way to go about things. Making your own choices. You shouldn't be forced to do anything. For one you might not like what you are being pushed into for example some people don't want to attend college and university because they want to go straight into the working world because that is what suits them. I believe thats fine its a persons own personal choice. I don't think someone should be forced to do anything. I know friends who want to go to college but really hate the idea of carrying on after because they don't want to sit being taught and stuff they just want to get on with it and do it. And whats wrong with that?

Of course University and college enriches learning and stuff but some people don't want to learn anymore. The have reached their limit of learning and want to stop. And some people like myself want to carry on learning because its a personal choice.

IQ tests are useless and a waste of time. I have taken a fair few in my life and they all end up bizaree and all over the place so they can't ever be accurate theres too many individual differences between people to relly on it. Its the same with Exams someone might be brilliant at the subject but on they day there ill and they just flop the test. And those you still get pressured to do well in and you feel utter depression because one day you were feeling ill and failed a test. Tis stupid. I hate the idea of exams it should be based on performance over time.

[Zelos]

i dont think creativity is encouraged enough in schools these days. kids are always told what they have to write reports on, what kind of project they have to do, exactly how to do it, etc etc. not being able to choose what classes they have could be thrown in along with that, too. life is full of choices... so why dont kids get to have any? hard to really learn what a bad choice is and what a good choice is if you dont get to make either. you learn from things like regretting you did something a certain way and making mistakes... but kids arent allowed to make mistakes anymore.

with classes, i dont agree with having required courses after middle school because youre supposed to be setting yourself up for whatever your major in college might be. in high school, we had these tests that determined what level of knowledge your at with different subjects. for me, my english/writing was way above what was considered high school level, but they still put me through lame-brained english classes that didnt challenge me at all. i got bored a lot because they were so easy. made the classes a waste of time when i could have been in an advanced chemistry or physics class instead because those relate to my major. but no, theyd rather i be put into lower level english courses so i could "help" people. sorry, but im not a teacher or a tutor so that really isnt my job. what a wasted class period...

i agree that IQ tests dont really mean anything. my mom had to take them when she was a kid and she got scores all over the place. if they really worked, then they should be more consistent than that. also, people who score high on IQ tests get really big heads over it -_- one of the most annoying people i know is annoying simply because he brags he got some good score on an IQ test once. as for myself, ive never taken an IQ test and never will.