Chapter 284 'Historia de Pantera y su Sombras' Spoilers and Discussion

[Escobar]

LMAO @ Her Kittyness

grimmjow is turning into a deadly, cute little thing isn't he LOL

[Primera Espada]

I don't see how on earth someone would assume a hollow would not like eating souls.

Anywho, I can't wait to see this chapter to see the hollows. They are my favorite part of bleach, far more than the shinigami.

And the "you shall become our king" indicates great things in store for Grimmjow.

[NeoSapien]

I don't see how on earth someone would assume a hollow would not like eating souls.

Anywho, I can't wait to see this chapter to see the hollows. They are my favorite part of bleach, far more than the shinigami.

And the "you shall become our king" indicates great things in store for Grimmjow.

Not really, considering that Grimmjow already got them all killed.

[Primera Espada]

but what would the point be of Kubo tite having that line, if Grimmjow was about to die or something?

He could say "you are great" or something. Why the indication that grimmjow would be greater than them all.

[Sergelia]

I don't see how on earth someone would assume a hollow would not like eating souls.


If any Hollow in the Bleachverse could do it, it's Ulquiorra. He just doesn't seem interested; he finds 99,99% of the world trash, so I can totally imagine him not wanting to eat the said trash. Who would?

Hollows eat souls to ease their pain and compensate for all they've lost. I hardly can imagine Ulquiorra going on a souleating binge - he doesn't seem like an "emotional eater".

[NeoSapien]

but what would the point be of Kubo tite having that line, if Grimmjow was about to die or something?

He could say "you are great" or something. Why the indication that grimmjow would be greater than them all.

Tragedy. Grimmjow's Fracciones were wiped out through his own recklessness, and he never reached his goal of being the strongest.

[Danna]

Real script was found post at 2ch.

ドン！で斬ったとこ。
苺「（終わった･･･）」

ガッ（ｸﾞﾘﾑが苺の卍解掴む。

ぐりむ「･･ふざけんじゃ･･　･･ねぇぞ」
「こんな･･　こんなもんで･･勝ったつもりか･･･?!」
「この･･俺によ!!!」
神「黒崎くん！！」
　　ドッ

-BLEACH284-
Historia de Pantera y su Sombras

「ギリアン」に“個”は無い
最下級の大虚である「ギリアン」は“幾百の虚が折り重なって生まれる”とされる
だが　それは正確には誤りがだ

虚は失くした中心を埋めるため魂の乾きを消し去るために人間の魂を喰らう
だが　何故か“乾き”が極端に強い虚は同属である虚の魂を求めるようになる

虚の魂を欲する虚達は自然と集まり　そこでお互いを喰らい始める
そうするうち魂が溶け合い個を失い　莫大な霊力を持つ巨大で愚鈍な「ギリアン」となる

だが　共喰いの中の一体の能力や自我が余りにも他に超絶していた時
稀に「ギリアン」と化して尚　個を失わぬものが現れる
そのものは更に他の「ギリアン」を喰らって進化を続け　やがて
その名を「アジューカス」と変える

GJJJのアジューカス姿。
ﾃﾞｨﾛｲ（ｱｼﾞｭ）「何だァ？　随分小せえアジューカスだな」
「悪りィな　てめえを喰うぜ」

アジューカスとなった者は　更なる恐怖に晒される
それは　　退化の恐怖
同属の虚を喰らい続けなければ　アジューカスはギリアンへと退化する
そして退化したものは100%の確立で個を失い　二度とアジューカスに戻ることは無い

GJ、ディロイ（ｱｼﾞｭ）を噛み千切る。

GJ部下他４体登場。

ｼｬｳﾛﾝ（ｱｼﾞｭ「強いな　名はなんと言う中級大虚」
GJ「･･ｸﾞﾘﾑｼﾞｮｰ」
ｼｬｳﾛﾝ「シャウロンだ」
「･･我等と手を組め　グリムジョー　ただでとは言わん」

ｻﾞﾝ　GJの周りに全員集合

GJ「･･･何の真似だ」
ｼｬｳﾛﾝ「我等　下級大虚や中級大虚で終わる気は無い」
「必ずや最上大虚に上りつめる　そのためには力が必要だ」
「我等を牽引する強大な力が　　貴様にこそそれは相応しい」
「共に行こうグリムジョー　貴様が我等の王となるのだ　　･･･グリムジョー」

～中略～

GJ「てめえが人間だろうが死神だろうが破面だろうが」
「俺をナメた眼で見やがる奴は　一人残らず叩き潰す!!!」

寝返りフラグ。ほぼ完全に寝返りすると見た。

GJ「その手始めがてめえだ黒崎!!!」

ﾌﾞ･･･ﾝ　爪がの先端が白く。

GJ「･･･いくぜ」
全開･･･!!


で終わり。今週は無駄に文字が多いような気がする。

[Primera Espada]

Don't apply the ulquiorra of fandom to arguments about the ulquiorra of the manga. He doesn't view 99% of the world as trash, just cause he said "trash" a few times the first time we saw him =/

And Neo, we allready know that grimmjow's own recklessness got his fraccion killed.

Introducing a flashback to show how highly his fraccion thought of him doesn't really add anything UNLESS it's a sign that he will get stronger.

Saying that he isn't stronger, well, that's redundant.

[RipTide]

I wonder if this will apply to Vaizards as well. Maybe Ichigo's mask becoming different signals that he went from normal Hollow to a more advanced hollow and as his power increases his inner hollow will eventually become a Vasto Lorde. At that point he might lose the mask completely and turn white like his inner Hollow, that would be cool.

I was thinking of something to this extent. Maybe Ichigo's mask isn't breaking as it did in the past. Instead, it is phazing out because he has come to terms with his hollow side and has gone to a vastro lorde like level where he is human with hollow power (without the mask). Therefore in the last chapter his eyes still have the masked looking eyes even when his mask starts to falter. And perhaps Ichigo didn't realize this and though "oh no, mask time is comming to an end. If what annie posted is somewhat close to the real thing, then Ichigo is definitely taunting GJ because Ichigo has power up beyond GJ and maybe even past Ulqu and perhaps ichigo maybe on par with the number #1 Espada (who ever it is). THat is why Ichigo is not scared because he feels the power up along with his resolve.

OR....I could just be thinking too much.

[Primera Espada]

the japanese script seems to follow the previous summary relatively close (though it seems to be almost entirely flashback).

The way I'm understanding it, some gillians are formed by piling together, but when one gillian is smarter, more dominant than the rest, then it retains it's form. Then, the gillian must feed on other hollows, and eventually, it'll be an ajuuca (and eventually after that, a vastarode) but, if they ever, at any time lose themselves, lose their identity or their dominance, they will be overcome by the various minds of the hollows they've merged with, and lose all control, becoming a menos grande.

To me, it seems as though "grande" is the big one, and "menos" is the upper class. A grande could have once been an ajuuca even.

Shawlong and crew thinks Grimmjow could lead them to being vastarodes.

The way I understand it now, making an arrancar out of them basically frees them from their instability and therefor, they can slowly gain power to be equal to a vastarode.

So Arroniero being a gillian with the power of an ajuuca makes sense. He was a gillian when he became an arrancar, and has since then powered up through eating hollows. He appears to be the only arrancar that can still eat hollows (the others have to suck the spirit energy out of others, apparently).

[DeDaL]

...

The way I'm understanding it, some gillians are formed by piling together, but when one gillian is smarter, more dominant than the rest, then it retains it's form. Then, the gillian must feed on other hollows, and eventually, it'll be an ajuuca (and eventually after that, a vastarode) but, if they ever, at any time lose themselves, lose their identity or their dominance, they will be overcome by the various minds of the hollows they've merged with, and lose all control, becoming a menos grande.

...

Okay, there were so many discussions of this before that I get sick every time I see someone start up this topic again...

But this time it was Kubo himself. WAY TO GO, KUBO! Your "Guide to Hollows' for smartasses" can't be understood by us, mere humans. And now every overthinker can come up with a completely ridiculous theory and claim it to be the right one.

Okay, for the last time, can we PLEASE stick to the FACTS we know? All the overanalysed ideas are just becoming basis for conflicts, neg-fests and PM-battles.

EVEN if you want to discuss all this shit - please do it in the separate thread. ONE separate thread, don't go around creating a dozen of those, m'kay?

That means ALL OF YOU.

Thank you.

~ DeDaL

[Sergelia]

Okay, we shall gladly turn off every trace of imagination we might have. ^__^ thanks for the warning.


The chapter seems cool; it'll be so awesome to learn more about Grimmjow's past. It doesn't seem very much different than the "fake" which is rather unusual, but oh well. Grimmjow going all out wasn't expected, but I should have known Ichigo finishing him off that easily, just by finding his resolve, was too good to be true. But it seems the fight won't continue for much longer as we have turned on the flashback mode, which is known to be the indicator of end-of-fight-approaching in Bleach.

Primera Espada, fine, believe what you want. Ulquiorra of the fandom is admittedly sometimes exaggerated, but he's still more true-to-original than most of the fanonised characters.
We can't know anything for certain yet, though, so I guess I'll just shut my mouth and theorize to myself.

[twsl]

it's bothering me that the non-arrancared version of shawlong we see on that spoilerpicture looks the same like when he first showed up, except he has a full mask this time. back then he was the only one that had a release which didn't made him look non-human (it didn't transform him in a big bull or smth). with that being said, he's too small to be a menos grande/ajuuchas so would that mean he's a vastroode? ;x ;x i'd beg to differ, he was killed so easily T___T;; ah man. i think kubo is screwing things up T___T';;;

[Syn]

He was a gillian. That was stated by Aizen after they got killed (vol24, ch213).
Though certainly a Gillian nearing his completion to an Adjucha, I have to admit.

[Primera Espada]

according to the spoiler script, he was wanting to become a vastarode.

Basically, the smarter you are, the more in control you are. The more in control you are, the smaller form you can have. Shawlong was pretty smart, so he had a smaller form. Il Forte and Edorad weren't as smart, they had bigger forms.

Basically, Shawlong was one that had the potential to one day be a vastarode, just like grimmjow has that potential. Why? Cause they have enough intelligence and control to maintain a small form. That's why there are so few vastarodes. Not many gillians have that kind of control. From those gillians, a few become ajuucas. From those ajuucas, a few become vastarodes.

Make sense now, twsl?

Now, I'm going to leave out the concepts of how one goes from one rank to another, and all that jazz. I'm just talking about why we see hollows that vary in size from the average of their type.

This is also backed up by what Ishida said about intelligence being a factor.

[twsl]

yea I know that, thanks for the info, but I meant.. it's hard to say that he's a gillian if you take a look at his appearance o_O weren't the gillans supposed to be huuuuuuuuuuuge~ and then.. we see such a tiny chapp in the spoilerpicture.. T___T;;

//edit ah okeys primera I was writing this while you posted that ^__^;; makes a little more sense now, tnxeys ^_^;;;;

[Primera Espada]

gillians that are typical menos grande are suppossed to be huge.

they make up most of the gillian population.

they're the ones soul society see all the time, and the ones that all look alike.

Shawlong looks different, that along is a sign that he's not a regular gillian.

That's the key thing to remember, there's the regular gillians, which are huge, then there are the special gillians capable of becoming higher forms, which are not huge.

[Dascu]

Good to see that this chapter is trying to clear some stuff up regarding the formation of Gillians, Adjukas and Vastroodes.

I agree with Primera Espada that it does seem that your intelligence and level of control is the primary ability to "evolve" into a higher Menos class. Very interesting.

[Byakuya]

Hmm well that was an interesting read, more information on hollows ftw.
Thanks for the translation Annie. ^_^

[Nama]

Whee, an interesting chapter. :> Thank you thank you thank you. *throws Thank yous at spoiler posters and such*

It's nice that we finally got more information on Hollows. But what keeps bugging me is that can Hougyokued (xD) Menoses (Gillians and Adjuchas that have been made into Arrancars) evolve? If that was said somewhere and I missed it, I'm sorry. I read everything carefully, though. At least, we haven't seen Arrancars trying to eat Gillians in order to evolve. xD That makes me believe that Menoses (excluding Vasto Lordes) before being Hougyokued can evolve (which was stated in this chapter), but after that cannot.

[twsl]

that's exacly what I've said a couple of pages ago, but no-one would listen to me T_______T;;; saying that if that were the issue, aizen would've never arrancarized those hollows and would've waited for them to become vastroode instead. but it just sounds so lame to me xD imagining yami eating hollows wouldn't be that odd perhaps. but imagining grimmjow eating other hollows is something my brains just can't comprehend xD he would rather slice them to dices and throw it in the river ;x;x;x

[Primera Espada]

I think the notion is that in gaining a human form, they can increase their spiritual power simply through training, like shinigami.

Also, we see yammy sucking souls, so maybe they still do that. I don't think we've really seen an arrancar win a fight and kill his enemy, except for grimmjow killing luppi. There was hardly enough of luppi left to suck his soul XD

[Danna]

I'm just talking about why we see hollows that vary in size from the average of their type.

According to the spoiler, the point here is not about intelligence, but it is about the amount they eat. The more they eat, the more their bodies change. That's why we can see Gillians in vary of sizes. I think we could say that they are soon-to-be-Adjuchas, but still Gillians anyway.

[Saffire]

Darn, I guess I have to eat crow on this one. I've been arguing against the idea that Gillian aren't necessarily Menos Grande for quite a while now. Can't always be right, I guess. :p

That's a neat evolution scheme, IMO. Not only do you have to compete against other Gillians for the right to be stronger, you have to be better than the rest of the Hollows in your "pile" and exert control over the body as well. It makes me wonder how many Hollows have died/been assimilated for the sake of just Aizen's Espada.

[DeDaL]

Hmmm...

Now that is interesting. Do Arrankar evolve?

Aaro-e-Niro stated that he was the only Arrankar with no boundaries in evolution. Because: 1. Compared to the Hollow state - as an Arrankar he had more intelligence to sustain the power. 2. Among Arrankar he was the only ne still capable of consuming actual Hollows - the needed(?) condition for evolution.

Yes, Yammi sucks souls. But can a small soul be compared to the incredibly dense reiatsu of a Menos? I don't think so. This means, that Yammi eats reishi because of simple hunger(or cockiness).

And oh yes, there are things like Privaron Espada. If Arrankar could evolve further, why would there be need to demote those? With enough nourishment they could sustain their power at the needed levels.

Taking Hitsugaya's words for granted, and assuming that Adjuucas and Vastolordes are extremely rare, we can assume that evolution is a extremely long and extremely complicated process. BanKai needs 10 years just to master it, noit to mention the time needed to achieve it. As implied in manga - a vastolorde is much much more powerful then a division captain is. It means that evolution must take even more time. And let's not forget the natural selection - to evove they need to eat their kind, always enlarging the amounts of reishi consumed, right? This brings us to the thought that the numbers of higher level Hollows are lesseing in geometric progression compared with normal hollows...

...oh, wait, I think I got too much in it.

Anyways, evolution is a really time- and resource-consuming process. And I don't think that Aizen can afford to wait for lesser to become stronger, if there are ones already strong enough...

[dbssdb]

Hi all, founded 2 cleaned pages:
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[Mei]

Thank you dbssdb, these pages are awesome! ^^

Ichigo´s mask is breaking away constantly...
there are no hollow teeth anymore.

[Nama]

Whenever I see dbssdb posting in this thread, I'm pretty sure he posts HQ pages. xD Thank you, again. ^^

Edit: Come on, lurkers, it can't be that hard to join! I'm sure some of you are even tempted to. XD

[tehworstguy]

The mask is broken, but he's still got the hollow eyes. Let's hope he's learned to fight without the ugly thing covering his face up.

And that first picture is hilarious.

Grimm: I can resist burying myself in your sweet embrace no longer!

Ichigo: I accept your amorous attention with open arms and, more importantly, open legs.

And then there is actual impalement.

[spacecat]

lol thanks mate, Grim looks so rock n roll. :rotflmao

[Jhaxe]

Thanks for the cleaned panels, dbssdb! -^^- Dang, that looked like a nasty hit >>

[Sergelia]

Thank you, dbssdb! ^__^ Ichigo looks more Shirosaki now; he's frighteningly pale.

[Danna]

Thanks for those pics, dbssdb! :D

Aaro-e-Niro stated that he was the only Arrankar with no boundaries in evolution. Because: 1. Compared to the Hollow state - as an Arrankar he had more intelligence to sustain the power. 2. Among Arrankar he was the only ne still capable of consuming actual Hollows - the needed(?) condition for evolution.


I think it's because his uncommon way to absorb the spirit power. As he stated that when he absorbed other hollows, their original powers still remained and he just had control over them. That's why he said that he had no bounderies in evolution. Other Gillians eat and digest others like food.

Taking Hitsugaya's words for granted, and assuming that Adjuucas and Vastolordes are extremely rare, we can assume that evolution is a extremely long and extremely complicated process. BanKai needs 10 years just to master it, noit to mention the time needed to achieve it. As implied in manga - a vastolorde is much much more powerful then a division captain is. It means that evolution must take even more time. And let's not forget the natural selection - to evove they need to eat their kind, always enlarging the amounts of reishi consumed, right? This brings us to the thought that the numbers of higher level Hollows are lesseing in geometric progression compared with normal hollows...

Great point here! I'm agree with you.

And oh yes, there are things like Privaron Espada. If Arrankar could evolve further, why would there be need to demote those? With enough nourishment they could sustain their power at the needed levels.


Isn't it normal to get demote if Aizen just happens to arrancarize other stronger Menos? Like you said, it takes time and reiatsu-consuming to evolve. Perhaps, Privaron Espada didn't eat enough to catch up with the current Espada.

[Sidonzo]

Yay! Some much needed info about hollows and their evolution.

Among Arrankar he was the only ne still capable of consuming actual Hollows

Hm....I had forgotten that part. Does that mean that the other arrancar don't need to eat anymore? Or maybe Aizen feeds them reiatsu stew? :P I'd love to get even more information about this! :D

Thank you everyone who took the time to bring us all the info! :D

~Sid

[Axie]

Thank you for the pics, dbssdb!

Looks bad for Ichigo, though. XD

[Jhaxe]

Thank you, dbssdb! ^__^ Ichigo looks more Shirosaki now; he's frighteningly pale.

Is it just me...or is Ichigo startin' t' act differently? He really doesn't look like himself...or maybe it's just fatigue from battle? I dunno....but he seems t' be actin' different...and I don't just mean likin' the fight...

[Gintoki]

Thank you, dbssdb! ^__^ Ichigo looks more Shirosaki now; he's frighteningly pale.

Well it has been some time now, that he left the reald word and thus hi solarium. Heh ,now he can go through as Michael Jacksons brother.

[dbssdb]

A lot more, flashback included ^^

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[twsl]

According to the spoiler, the point here is not about intelligence, but it is about the amount they eat. The more they eat, the more their bodies change. That's why we can see Gillians in vary of sizes. I think we could say that they are soon-to-be-Adjuchas, but still Gillians anyway.

I like that~~~~~~ ^________________^;;;;; I like the idea that their form would slightly change into the next menos-type. as a result you cannot say for certain that a certain "being" is a soon-to-be-achuucas or a full achuucas since we can only look at their size and that kinda varies a bit =) but I like your better than let's say the pokemon evolution theory where they just go from 1 to 2, rather than from 1 to 1,1 to 1,2 to 1,3... wish i could rep you T_____T;;; *cries*

[Akutabi]

So much for not getting hurt Ichigo

Shawlong looks like some awesome demonic knight

[tehworstguy]

A lot more, flashback included ^^

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Wow, thanks. Looks like it's Di Roy in the second pic and Shaw Long, Ilforte, Eduardo and Nakeim in the third. Going by size, it looks like Nakeim is the weakest, followed by Di Roy.

[Nocturne]

Ha! So Grimmjow didn't get neutered after all! Thanks for the pics dbssdb! And also Annie for the summary and Danna for the raw script!

[Annie]

lol the pics look awesome. But seems like his mask is gone in one of the panels? And from the look, GJ still managed to hurt Ichigo.

Thanks for the pics dbssdb.

[Axie]

Grimm looks awesome in his masked form.

...I've never seen Orihime make such a shocked face before. oO Thanks again dbssdb!

[twsl]

Wow, thanks. Looks like it's Di Roy in the second pic and Shaw Long, Ilforte, Eduardo and Nakeim in the third. Going by size, it looks like Nakeim is the weakest, followed by Di Roy.

lol!! that's nakim indeed =D heheh I was wondering who that menos grande was, thought it was just a random hollow or smth~ xD thanks v.much for the pics~~ ahh damn guys.. seeing them in their previous forms makes me appreciate them even more.. whoaahhhh =)

[Akutabi]

where's Shawlong's hole?

[Geta Boshi]

This chapter is interesting thank Annie for the script and dbssdb for the pics

[Jhaxe]

I'll take a guess that Orihime is screaming "Kurosaki-kun!!!" >> Wow, that looks pretty cool, I wonder what's gonna happen now...

where's Shawlong's hole?


I was wondering that too O-o...

[Sergelia]

Is it just me...or is Ichigo startin' t' act differently? He really doesn't look like himself...or maybe it's just fatigue from battle? I dunno....but he seems t' be actin' different...and I don't just mean likin' the fight...

Agreed. Totally.
Jee, if he goes Shirosaki there and beats Grimmjow, that will be a whole new layer of awesome IMO - I miss Shirosaki. I do wonder what Orihime would say *then*, though.

... wait, Shirosaki alone with a girl...
:eek:
RUN, HIME, RUN.

[twsl]

I'll take a guess that Orihime is screaming "Kurosaki-kun!!!" >>

lol!!! :D:D I so agree~~ ^____^;;;

[Primera Espada]

I must say, I'm a little disappointed in the hollow forms of Grimmjow's crew. Though it becomes apparent that Droy was, in fact, the weakest (he was the biggest) followed by nakim (lol, I think kubo just doesn't like him), and then edorad, il forte, and shawlong, who all looked quite similar to their release forms.

However, at the same time, it explains a lot. Grimmjow, having power far beyond them, and a much smaller form, would no doubt look like he's on his way to being a vastarode.

Oh, and I love all the grimmjow pics in this chap so far.

Thank you so much for sharing them

[ezxx]

Grimmjow self-destructs? ;o

[dbssdb]

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Hope the RAW/scanlation comes soon... :)

[Sergelia]

Self-destruction is the new black, obviously. I've always said Kishimoto and Kubo exchanged ideas over tea (or sake, whichever comes first), but this is just silly!


Oh, and Grimmjow really looks cool in this chapter. His pose reminds me somewhat of that cat-thing in Ice Age.

[Akutabi]

okay, there's his hole

[Nell]

Is it just me...or is Ichigo startin' t' act differently? He really doesn't look like himself...or maybe it's just fatigue from battle? I dunno....but he seems t' be actin' different...and I don't just mean likin' the fight...
Isn't it the whole point of this fight^^ He acts different than his usual self and actually likes the battle. He is, of course, still all for protecting his friends but there does exist some significant changes in his attitude. The first time when Ichigo was told that he should enjoy the fight and fight for the sake of fighting was when he fought with Zaraki. This "fight because you can and don't go around looking for reasons" theme has been repeated many times after that: his fight with his hollow, his dream! about Zaraki and finally Doldooni fight(?). I think it's just amazing how patient Kubo can be. I mean, it's been like 150 ch after the fight with Zaraki, and we've recently seen that new Ichigo. One can wonder how long would it take to learn all the answers for some obvious questions OO.ooo

[ezxx]

if it's about acting cocky...Ichigo did plenty of that during the Byakuya fight.

I sure hope i'm wrong about GJ self-destructing ;o

[spacecat]

Thanks dbssdb and yeah it is kinda annoying getting them in streams with no writing :/ I'm sure a chinese scanlation will be out soon anyways.

[Primera Espada]

Out of curiosity... is this the longest fight in bleach history or something??

Assuming that the fight will go on at least one more chapter... it's allready gone for what, 5?

[Sergelia]

@Nell - I think if he could, Kubo would make a 15000+ chapters, and he'd only make the biggest plot tweest ever made in a manga in chapter 15 032. Luckily he can't do that so... but you're right, he's very patient. Which explains lack of certain characters lately... T__T

I'm glad Dordonii's "You must become a demon, nino!!!" advice is finally getting to Ichi. That was some good advice right there.

[Tomodachi69]

... wait, Shirosaki alone with a girl...
:eek:
RUN, HIME, RUN.

LOLOL

Anyway, major thanks for those pics ^^ I don't see d-roy in any of them, though, is he there or is everyone just referring to him because he was, presumably, one of GJ's fraccion?

Ichigo's looking really Shirosaki-ish without the majority of his mask. I wonder if Kubo is setting him up for another appearance. Possible, yah?

[Primera Espada]

He's the one Grimmjow takes a bite out of, the giant worm guy.

[ezxx]

The current fight is no longer than the Byakuya vs Ichigo fight which went on about 8 chapters as well.

[DeDaL]

LOLOL

Anyway, major thanks for those pics ^^ I don't see d-roy in any of them, though, is he there or is everyone just referring to him because he was, presumably, one of GJ's fraccion?

D-Roy is there. He's that big screaming worm...

[Miranu]

lol :D Thx for the pics :D The flashback is lookin like another manga XD :) It's good to see the late GJ Fraccions :3 Wanna see the raw now :)

[Primera Espada]

XD @ miranu. You should shop in a pic of Ichigo's mask XD I love it.

This also makes me wonder a couple things... assuming that the 1-10 spots were reserved beforehand, shawlong is the first hou gyoku arrancar. In fact, much of Grimmjow's team were first. This makes me wonder... was grimmjow the first hou gyoku espada? this could definately explain why he gripes at everyone else. He's got seniority XD

[Syn]

The Ichigo/Byakuya fight spread over nearly 7 full chapters.

And it was so much more interesting too >__>

[brokenbutton]

So hollows level up by eating each other.....

......shingami level up by ????

......I wonder if the forbidden practices of 'turning vizard' involve eating hollows or other shingami...LMAO.

Good chapter....love the background info...

I assume Grimmjow was probably #1 Esprada at first.....since those present were some of the first arrancar created by Aizen....

[Primera Espada]

I got the impression that the espada were all chosen at the same time. Like, after he got 10 hou gyoku arrancars that were stronger than the non hou gyoku espada, he had them replaced.

Or did Doldoni say that one by one they were replaced.

I forget.

[samnas]

Found one HQ pic, hope its not posted ...

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/9828/605gd6.jpg

[Axie]

Thanks samnas~ <3

Grimm looks so deadly. I think I like him better as a panther now.

[Primera Espada]

that looks like it could be a flashback from when shawlong was a big menos grande (if that's how things work). Maybe that's when he first noticed grimmjow?

the total lack of text makes such conjectures pointless though XD

[Tomodachi69]

D-Roy is there. He's that big screaming worm...

... Really? So, if D-Roy is that worm, we can assume that the others could also have been normal arrancar before Aizen arrived with the Hougyoku, yah? Since D-Roy arrancarized himself after meeting and joining up with GJ, I wonder who else also arrancarized themselves, too.

btw, lol @ the jojohot "raw" that's been spilling out everywhere XP Once again, we pretty much have a full raw comprised of out-of-order cleaned pics xD At least the full Chinese scan is almost up.

[spacecat]

Ok i'll delete the post with 3 pics, the full jojo scanlation:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wbqvqy

[DeDaL]

Thanks! ^__^ *downloads*

[Byakuya]

Thank you Spacecat!

[Siren]

Thanks! Looks like it's gonna be an awesome chapter (*loves backstories*)

[Gintoki]

Damn Spacecat, i can't spread as many reps to rep you so fast. You are too fast :P

[Jhaxe]

Thank you, spacecat! -^^- Wow...I don't need to even read the words...this chapter is pretty good...although I do hope the fight ends soon... (prays for next chapter conclusion)

[Gintoki]

I'm 100% sure this fight will last some more chapters now, as Grimmjow awakened to new strength. Now it's again up to Ichi to counter that. But still one of the best chapters in the last time.

[Jhaxe]

Yeah, this seems to be going back and forth, between Grimm pwning and Ichi pwning...perhaps Ichi will have some revelation next chapter?

[ezxx]

i wonder how powerful grimmjow's final attack will be...it's probably going to leave a huge ass crater ;o sayonara grimmjow it's been nice knowing you :) next chapter is the end for him

[Primera Espada]

I can't quite figure it out... grimmjow stabs Ichigo in the same spot twice? Or is page 15 just misplaced, and should go before page 12?

[Rain]

I'm glad Grimmjow's not dead yet and that this fight isn't over (probably won't be for a while).

[Primera Espada]

I can see it now

"Sorry, but the only thing I learned from my hollow side was this... Cero"
KABOOM!
Ichigo falls a bit, but manages to still stand "dang it..."
Grimmjow stands there, bleeding. "Tch... so you are stronger... you have beaten me, Kurosaki Ichigo"
and then Grimmjow leaves XD

[DeDaL]

Goodbye, Kurosaki, it was nice knowing you. Good thing the manga's called "Bleach", not "Ichigo", or Kubo'd have to change the name of manga...

[ezxx]

on page 12, he stab's ichigo's left side, on 15 he hits ichigo's mid/right side area. Oh and it's definitely over from grimmjow next chapter.

[Primera Espada]

XD

I can't figure out what grimmjow's actually DOING in that last part.

Are the big stripes lines of reiatsu that are gathering to his hands, or are they coming from his hands? Is he powering up a projectile move, or is he just making his claws more deadly?

Hyper mode! XD

I want next week's chapter to end the fight half way, and get to SOMETHING ELSE.

I love grimmjow, but this is rediculous. Though granted, next character poll, he'll be top 10, definately.

Wait, so... Ulquiorra makes a wound on people where his hole is, and grimmjow does the same XD

He's a hypocrite!

[Sarada]

Wait, so... Ulquiorra makes a wound on people where his hole is, and grimmjow does the same XD


imagines Ulquiorra and Grimmjow arguing about where to make a new hole in Ichigo ......

[Peachilicious]

Wait, so... Ulquiorra makes a wound on people where his hole is, and grimmjow does the same XD

He's a hypocrite!

Haha yeah, I remember talking about that on BF when chapter 277(?) came out. Even though Grimm made it sound like it was only Ulquiorra, he had done the same thing to Rukia and D-Roy had been about to do the same thing to Chad. XD

Thanks for the cleaned pics and the Chinese scan! This chapter looks sooo awesome. :D

[DeDaL]

Wait, so... Ulquiorra makes a wound on people where his hole is, and grimmjow does the same XD

Oh come on! :P He skewered Rukia for God's sake!.. We ought've guess a loong time ago... :)

And he just made 2 holes... o_O

[ezxx]

@Primera espada
if you look on page 18's last panel, his finger tips start turning white, so it's coming from him

[Shirosaki]

shit, grimmjow means business

[Riekie]

WOAH! thanks so much for the JOJO hot version Spacecat<333

Ahh Grimmjow!! You looks soo purdy in panther form ;) Yeah..and Ichigo sure gets owned by a severaly wounded Grimmjow..I wonder what will happen next week...although I still think Grimmjow will kick the bucket..

[Gintoki]

His death is inevitable, but after this chapter i think he'll live abit longer. This fight wil not end in the next few chaps.

[Sergelia]

Ichigo dying (for real) would certainly make this manga one of the most original, but many a heart would be broken. :(

Pa-pa, Grimmjow. You were great and I'll miss you, but I suspect you're going to have all four legs up in the air in the upcoming chapters.

[Akutabi]

Hopefully when Szayel finally kicks the bucket we'll get a flashback explaining how he and Ilforte are brothers.

[Jhaxe]

Hopefully when Szayel finally kicks the bucket we'll get a flashback explaining how he and Ilforte are brothers.

I've always wondered that.... o-o

[Rain]

@Akutabi- I just assume he means brothers like the desert bros. are brothers, and when they became arrancar they used the same last name.

[ForteAnly]

Pretty cool chapter. Grimmjow looks so cool before he was a Arrancar.

[Llama]

I think it's actually possible for blood brothers to find each other. Though it is rare. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they are blood brothers.

[Sarada]

Could be that they died at the same time, and became hollows together.

It feels different from Nell and her gang, because Zael and Illforte do look alike.

[RevelatioN]

Hmm, after looking at the chinese scanlation a few times, it looks to me like GJ's final attack is something like getsuga tenshou coming from each of his claws. Also, I think the end is fast approaching for GJ. He's all cut up by Ichigo (which, btw, magically disappeared in the second half of the chapter... nice work Kubo!) and he just used his final move. Also, if Ichigo can't even beat number 6 without help or an interruption, how in the world can he hope to beat any of the top 3? Now is the time for Ichigo to finally kill GJ once and for all (or at least to decisively win). Kubo knows that a fourth match would just piss people off, and Ichigo losing AGAIN would make people even angrier. Also, Ichigo still has something up his sleeve, wether he knows it or not.... some latent ability that he either doesn't know how to control or doesn't want to use (most likely some hollowish ability). That's my take! Feel free to rip it to shreds! :p

[samnas]

Translation by Germinc! at MH:

http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15626

[ezxx]

grimmjow has an inferiority complex :D

Do vasto lordes revert back into an ajucha or do vasto lordes remain at that level of power once they've achieved it? :confused:

[krompt]

Hmm, after looking at the chinese scanlation a few times, it looks to me like GJ's final attack is something like getsuga tenshou coming from each of his claws. Also, I think the end is fast approaching for GJ. He's all cut up by Ichigo (which, btw, magically disappeared in the second half of the chapter... nice work Kubo!) and he just used his final move. Also, if Ichigo can't even beat number 6 without help or an interruption, how in the world can he hope to beat any of the top 3? Now is the time for Ichigo to finally kill GJ once and for all (or at least to decisively win). Kubo knows that a fourth match would just piss people off, and Ichigo losing AGAIN would make people even angrier. Also, Ichigo still has something up his sleeve, wether he knows it or not.... some latent ability that he either doesn't know how to control or doesn't want to use (most likely some hollowish ability). That's my take! Feel free to rip it to shreds! :p

Kubo was probably acknowledgeing the hollow ability of "accelerated regeneration", or he just messed up :p

[Rain]

@ezxx- I'd assume they can/do and i bet that's what happened to Ulquiorra

[Velius]

The pics help so much with this script. :D I like that this chapter opens up more backstory for the rest of the hollows. It's even possible that they could have known/had some kind of rivalry with some of the shinigami.

With Gimm back in the fight now and Ichigo's mask time seems almost irrelevant now, this might might not even end next chapter. All these two have been doing is beating each other down constantly, with none of them showilng anysigned of willingly giving up, which is making me more and more apprehensive about how this could end...

Oh and we now know why D.roy had his face always rapped up. XD Grimm messed him up.

[Tomodachi69]

Ok, after reading the translation over at MH provided by Germinc!, I think that Il Forte and Szayel are "brothers" because they gained self-awareness as gillians at the same time, "born" at the same time. And Szayel could be an Adjucha simply because he was stronger/ate more than Il Forte did.

Just my two cents.

[tehworstguy]

Oh come on! :P He skewered Rukia for God's sake!.. We ought've guess a loong time ago... :)

And he just made 2 holes... o_O

Grimmjow just isn't a one hole man.

[DeDaL]

Grimmjow just isn't a one hole man.

Somehow, that sounded terribly wrong... ^_^'

[ForteAnly]

That explains why D-Roy was covering that part of his mask with bandages. Grimmjow took a bite out of it. That sucks that Grimmjow's followers were killed so easily during the first attack on Karukura.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/ForteAnly/D-Roy.jpg

[HumanRage]

That explains why D-Roy was covering that part of his mask with bandages. Grimmjow took a bite out of it. That sucks that Grimmjow's followers were killed so easily during the first attack on Karukura.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i264/ForteAnly/D-Roy.jpg

that's funny, while reading you i thought that it was a cool post-event explanation, why these specific ones followed grimmjaw ... to their death

they were plot fodder, examples for the whole brand new Arrankar opponent class

they did that job well :D

where is nakim ? :confused:

edit : the whole ulq first report to aizen&espada (yammi's rape) will be even better reading now :p

[Enth]

Nakim IS there. Far right at the top of Page 10. That one :)


Love this chapter...Back-story is very, very interesting...Heh, so much for "I won't let you hurt me anymore"... ^^;;


I hope this fight lasts a minimum of two more chapters...Because then it becomes the longest ever fight in Bleach so far ^___^

[.access timeco.]

Although I am very disapointed with the HM arc, I have to admit this chapter was amazing to me for the simple reason I am a BIG Gillian Five (how I call GJ's fracción) fan! Specially Shawlong (my favourite character in Bleach after Tousen... and, sometimes, before him).

Now I'm a bit confused. I see japanese sites (specifically "japanese wikipedia") listing them as Adjuchas, nor Gillian anymore.
So, I was trying to understand this chapter as they did.

I understood it this way: a Gillian with a selfconsciousness is just like the normal Gillian in visual aspect, except for their masks. The Gillian of the example (probably Shawlong) and Nakim were on this state.

After eating another Hollows, the Gillian evolves and his body also changes. Shawlong, Ilfort, Edorad and D-Roy were in this stage. This is a evolved Gillian that is not an Adjuchas yet.



BUT, I'm thinking it could be like this: there is no "change body" to Gillian. A different and exclusive body is something they just receive after becoming Adjuchas. If so, then Shawlong, Edorado, Ilfort and D-Roy, when they meet Grimmjow, were Adjuchas already (not Nakim since he is clearly a Gillian).
Of course, this can't be prooved yet... we'll have to wait until a HDPESS 2nd and 3rd.

"Hey, but Aizen said they were Gillian"
I know, but here comes prediction: what if, after sometime (including Nakim becoming and Adjuchas as well), they start starving and all of them, except Grimmjow, revert into Gillian?
Seeing his subordinates loosing their consciousness and identity, Grimmjow decides to become a peon of this Shinigami who came into the HM.
Being his subordinate, to Grimmjow is granted that his friends will become Arrancar as well, so they will regain their selfconsciosness (since they will become part "Shinigami").
I REALLY hope this happens. Grimmjow will become more human and the Gillian Five will develop a bigger role in his story.





>>lurker joinage!<<

[Primera Espada]

we see a point where shawlong is a big goofy menos, and then we see him later as his more consice form (with regular eyes, not hollow eyes no less)

basically, it appears as though gillians slowly change form and size until they finalize at the end, being an ajuuca.

Shawlong was almost an ajuuca, the others were a little bit behind, Droy and Nakim were quite a ways though.

The japanese wikipedia sites are probably drawing conclusions cause the gillians were trying to become ajuucas, and were almost there (I'd say 90% there in some cases)

[elfy]

Seeing his subordinates loosing their consciousness and identity, Grimmjow decides to become a peon of this Shinigami who came into the HM.
Being his subordinate, to Grimmjow is granted that his friends will become Arrancar as well, so they will regain their selfconsciosness (since they will become part "Shinigami").
I REALLY hope this happens. Grimmjow will become more human and the Gillian Five will develop a bigger role in his story.

>>lurker joinage!<<


I really like your idea! I hope it is true, cos the fight with ichigo has revealed GJ's true personality. And I like it, I like the idea of GJ becoming an Espada for his Fraccion, but then again, if that is true, then he would be devastated by his Fraccion's demise during the invasion, which he has not yet shown thus far. Of coz, THAT could be the reason he hates Ichigo so much! hmmm ....

[Velius]

That's not a bad way to go about it access. The filling in the story makes it a little more out then if you were to just go with what we know, but it could still work. Yea the Aizen line of that they were all gillians is throwing some stuff off here...

[silhouette]

ch 284 translation by germin (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=467717) posted on MH

[AnimeGirlPan]

Hmm..So Ichigo gets punched in the stomach and Grimmjow gets a flashback of his orginal form which looks like a huge cat thingy..and that part confusing me but anyways..I just hope Ichigo pulls though

[Graviija]

Awesome chapter. I love seeing characterization of the Arrancar, and seeing them as "regular" Hollows was amazingly cool.

But damnit, Ichigo had better win this fight. If he doesn't, then...well, I don't know. But I'm sick of seeing him getting his ass kicked.

[NeoSapien]

Somehow, that sounded terribly wrong... ^_^'

That was probably the intention. :eek:

[hollowshark]

I really enjoyed this chapter since it gave a backstory to Grimmjow and a reason for his personality. From my point of view, it seems that Grimm is not only fighting for his pride but to prove to himself he is worthy of being a leader to the hollows. When he sees Ichigo giving him a condescending look, it must play on his pride and gives him the extra drive to continue fighting. I have a feeling that his hatred of anyone looking down upon him doubles when it comes to Aizen, since that guy tends to have an "I'm better than you" look when you see him.

[vaizado]

I really enjoyed this chapter since it gave a backstory to Grimmjow and a reason for his personality. From my point of view, it seems that Grimm is not only fighting for his pride but to prove to himself he is worthy of being a leader to the hollows. When he sees Ichigo giving him a condescending look, it must play on his pride and gives him the extra drive to continue fighting. I have a feeling that his hatred of anyone looking down upon him doubles when it comes to Aizen, since that guy tends to have an "I'm better than you" look when you see him.


Yup. That could very well be the reason why he doesnt like or respect Aizen like the others, because Aizen steps on his pride.

I dunno if this has been brought up already, but:

Shawlong holding his hand as if grabbing the moon:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u220/uveridiot/shaw.png

Hand in front of his face:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u220/uveridiot/shaw2.png

Now Grimm does the same (ichigo being the moon; cause of zangetsu etc.):

Under the tags:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u220/uveridiot/grimm.png


Hand in front of his face:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u220/uveridiot/grimm2.png

[BigBadBuu]

we see a point where shawlong is a big goofy menos, and then we see him later as his more consice form (with regular eyes, not hollow eyes no less)

basically, it appears as though gillians slowly change form and size until they finalize at the end, being an ajuuca.

Shawlong was almost an ajuuca, the others were a little bit behind, Droy and Nakim were quite a ways though.

The japanese wikipedia sites are probably drawing conclusions cause the gillians were trying to become ajuucas, and were almost there (I'd say 90% there in some cases)


I agree with this, mostly (or maybe completely).

What's throwing some people off, then is what clearly separates a high-level gillian from an Adjucha.

I like this chapter a lot. After reading it, I now find it a shame that these guys were all offed the way they were. Personally, I'd be interested in getting the entire backstory on how they ended up getting together with Aizen.

Way back in chapter XX, we have Deroy already Arrancar-ised. It's safe, then, to assume that Grimmjow & Co. were already Arrancar at the time as well. Hrmmm.. Could it be that Grimmjow was the former #1 Espada? I mean, the former #3, is/was faaaaaaaar weaker than Grimmjow.

Also, why didn't Grimmjow simply kill/eat these guys right then and there. Grrr... Gotta just wait for a full, proper translation!

-Buu

[spacecat]

Nicely said access, good to see you at the forum also, welcome :)

So Grimm doesn't like Ichigo's expression...didn't realise he was so insecure :p poor kitty.

[twsl]

Shawlong was almost an ajuuca

how can you say that? when is an ajuuca 100% ajuuca for you? the only thing we could rely on is their size and strength but even that could be different depending on their form.. (like illforte's final ajuuchas bullform would probably be bigger than grimmjows ajuuchas pantherform). this is a tough one for me :eek:


Way back in chapter XX, we have Deroy already Arrancar-ised. It's safe, then, to assume that Grimmjow & Co. were already Arrancar at the time as well. Hrmmm.. Could it be that Grimmjow was the former #1 Espada? I mean, the former #3, is/was faaaaaaaar weaker than Grimmjow.
-Buu

wtf? o____O but at that time aizen didn't even had that arrancarizer-thingy yet ;x so would that mean that grimm and his gang are all premature arrancars? ;x (being arrancarized by the old way)

//edit1: or could the arrancar be changed into arrancar multiple times? xD sounds lame though xD
//edit2: thanks spacecat or whoever for the merge xD

[StarryInoueSky]

I liked the fact that we get to see Grimmjow's past and we get to see some of the individuals that have already died. I think that hints towards something... but I'm not so sure.

Great chapter!

[BigBadBuu]

how can you say that? when is an ajuuca 100% ajuuca for you?

...

wtf? o____O but at that time aizen didn't even had that arrancarizer-thingy yet ;x so would that mean that grimm and his gang are all premature arrancars? ;x (being arrancarized by the old way)


Well, Shawlong & Co all recognized Grimmjow immediately to be an Adjucha. So it is probably the 100% finalized animal form-- with "mask" fully integrated into the body/face and human eyes.

That's supported by looking at the Privarons, 2 of which were clearly Animal-based. Furthermore, as you noted, we have Il Forte likely moving towards a full bull-form.

As for the 2nd thing, we have/had Dodorini (sp?) mentioning the pre-Hyogokou espada. Further back in last chapter of "memories in the rain", we're briefly introduced to a pre-hyogoku arrancar Droy & Iceringer.

In this chapter, we see that Droy became Grimmjow's subordinate *before* becoming an arrancar, which makes it possible that Grimmjow also became one pre-hyogoku as well.

:confused:

Then, where does Grand Fisher fit into this? Was he actually a Gillian the whole time? wt... KUUUBO!

[RipTide]

What really gets me is - how is ichigo still maintaining power without his mask? is it because he has power up to the next level and does not need his mask? Or is it he powered up to the next level and his mask is now going to look like the arrancars, with just a bit of it left on his face? There is definitely something going on with Ichigo and not having his mask on. And with this, I predict that he has gotten past a level where he is going to pwnzors next chapter.

[DeDaL]

Way back in chapter XX, we have Deroy already Arrancar-ised. It's safe, then, to assume that Grimmjow & Co. were already Arrancar at the time as well. Hrmmm.. Could it be that Grimmjow was the former #1 Espada? I mean, the former #3, is/was faaaaaaaar weaker than Grimmjow.

-Buu

I don't think so, actually. Since Hougyuoku makes hybridisation process easier and more complete, I think it's safe to assume that Aizen kept strong Hollows for the later, experimenting on weaker ones. And when he obtained the Hougyuoku he immediately started making hybrids with it from stronger Hollows. At least that is what I'd have done if I were him.

What really gets me is - how is ichigo still maintaining power without his mask? is it because he has power up to the next level and does not need his mask? Or is it he powered up to the next level and his mask is now going to look like the arrancars, with just a bit of it left on his face? There is definitely something going on with Ichigo and not having his mask on. And with this, I predict that he has gotten past a level where he is going to pwnzors next chapter.


AHEM...I hope you read this with your eyes open, unlike you read the chapter: Ichigo's mask is still there. It's almost gone, but it is still there. If we remember times when mask emerged by itself - it never really covered the whole face(except the subdue fight) but Shirosaki's power has flown at max. It means that all we do is just take for granted that the size of mask doesn't matter, what matters - if there is a maks at all.

Here is the second panel of page 18, the last page where Ichigo could be seen, for your assurance:

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3347/jojo018mx7.jpg

Be more attentive, when reading, thank you.

[phantomfork]

Hello, newbie here! :)
Thrilled about this chapter in general. It's soooo very cool that grimmjow and the five gillian knew each other before they became arrancar. Helps to clarify Grimmjow's odd little streak of honor a bit more.

Ichigo will definately win this time but...but I hope Grimmjow doesn't die! I'll be very, VERY sad if that happens.

[Kojy]

Well some new stuff finally :p, it was so repetitive to see them fighting for so long during these last chapters, now that we know Grimmjow's past before turning into an Arrancar, his character plot is now complete i think it's time for Ichigo to win and Grimmjow to die :(.

[twsl]

aaaaaaaawww poor riekie i hope she manages to get over him if that happens ;< btw welcome phantom =) quite the not-common name you have :O

[Riekie]

hahaha lol twslXD

But don't worry about it though..I've been waiting for his death for a few weeks now..so it's inevitable in my opinion:( I might not like it..but it's for the best..otherwise his character will fall from an A+ to a D...and well never get any 'screentime' again..if he lives.

[Sarada]

But don't worry about it though..I've been waiting for his death for a few weeks now..so it's inevitable in my opinion I might not like it..but it's for the best..otherwise his character will fall from an A+ to a D...and well never get any 'screentime' again..if he lives.

Well since a lot of other characters are basically too weak to handle the current enemies, Grimmjow would get screentime if he'd turn good.

I'm kinda not thinking about him dieing anymore since he survived that awefull cut ... but you're right to still expect it.

[Llama]

I wouldn't mind seeing the whole mask break off but his eyes stay hollowish.

[BigBadBuu]

....
But don't worry about it though..I've been waiting for his death for a few weeks now..so it's inevitable in my opinion:( I might not like it..but it's for the best..otherwise his character will fall from an A+ to a D...and well never get any 'screentime' again..if he lives.


So true, but damn you for saying it... :yell

Grimmjow...

:wtf

[wakeskater]

Hey i was just wondering as far as the fight goes, GJ has hollow regeneration does he not? so even tho hes been whipped, he can last alot longer? Maybe Ichigo will also bust out some hollow regen powers from shirosaki... it'd mean its a long fight tho haha

[Rain]

I think GJ has regeneration abilities to an extent. Since he had his arm lost until Inoue helped he can probably heal somewhat but not like Shirosaki did.

[Riekie]

@ Buu: Sorry...I feel awful now for saying it:cry
I am soo contradicting! I want him to die, I don't want him to die...Gahhh...I feel sad now:wtf Grimmjow..make it one hell of a show!

@ wakeskater: I don't think he has, actually. It is never shown that Grimmjow has that ability nor the other Espada. All we know is that when Ichigo was in full hollow mode he could regenerate very quickly..but that was it.

[Velius]

I do think Ichigo is now the one in trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if all next chapter Ichigo gets his ass handed to him. Then he has to pull out something to save himself. lol. It's been back and fourth like that the whole time. :D

[vaizado]

Am I the only one who feels like Im reading the final match of BLEACH? >.<

It's just awesome and every way. And the fact that Grimm is actually Ichigo's true rival, and not Aizen, just makes me feel like this is it. :P

[brokenbutton]

Here is a scan if anyone else is having trouble finding one:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HPK5OLEE

[Llama]

Well we are either going to see round 2 and the fight lasts for a few more chapters or Grimmjow is powering up for a final attack and the fight ends next chapter.

[wakeskater]

well maybe not shirosaki hollow regeneration, but he (grimm) probably has some i mean, he just took a huge slash to the chest and he seems to be somewhat ok,

and we know that ichigo's hollow has super amazing regeneration, as shown when he was with the vaizard, and they seemed to be familliar with it, perhaps ichigo might bust out something similar during the next few chapters of this fight, depending on how long it lasts, because, so far ichigo hasnt used hardly any of his hollow powers, as in the cero that the vaizard fire, so, perhaps he can both use his super cero and hollow regeneration -- i would love to see more of his hollow powers grow.

[thatbabo]

Binktopia Bleach 284 (http://binktopia.net/index.php?showtopic=595&st=0&#last)

What really gets me is - how is ichigo still maintaining power without his mask? is it because he has power up to the next level and does not need his mask? Or is it he powered up to the next level and his mask is now going to look like the arrancars, with just a bit of it left on his face? There is definitely something going on with Ichigo and not having his mask on.

I think the bigger question is, how is Ichigo able to maintain the stability/power of his mask for such an extended period of time? :confused:

In c235, it disintegrates rather quickly against GJ. In c240, Ichigo and co. leave for Hueco Mundo. Now, unless there was a huge time lapse between these chapters (I'm not aware of one) the only conclusion I can come up with is that either Nell or Inoue's healing has somehow increased the amount of time he can maintain his vizardness...:confused:



In this chapter, we see that Droy became Grimmjow's subordinate *before* becoming an arrancar, which makes it possible that Grimmjow also became one pre-hyogoku as well.

:confused:

Then, where does Grand Fisher fit into this? Was he actually a Gillian the whole time? wt... KUUUBO!

I thought the same thing Buu...there's either an alternative method to becoming an Arrancar or D-Roy and Fish never were Arrancar. Maybe they were on the cusp of becoming Adjuuchas (ie. 75% Adjuuchas and 25% Gillian) The numbers are completely arbitrary and I'm just using them as an example to quantify which part of the spectrum they may have been closer to.

But yeah, this one is a definite :headscratch

[BigBadBuu]

Praises - no REPS! - to thatBabo and the rests of the Binktopia crew for bringing us this weeks chapter with so much class!

Binktopia Bleach 284 (http://binktopia.net/index.php?showtopic=595&st=0&#last)

I think the bigger question is, how is Ichigo able to maintain the stability/power of his mask for such an extended period of time? :confused:
....
the only conclusion I can come up with is that either Nell or Inoue's healing has somehow increased the amount of time he can maintain his vizardness...:confused:


I'm actually thinking what gave him this power-up is his (near-) death experience at the hands of Ulquiorra. I'm counting on a post-fight flashback of some inner-world drama after the conclusion of this fight..

This is the first time Ichigo is actually fighting with Shirosaki's intent/attitude and style (one-handed) and so there had to have been some sort of experience or inner-world meeting/pep-talk/threat IMO..

Binktopia Bleach 284 (http://binktopia.net/index.php?showtopic=595&st=0&#last)
I thought the same thing Buu...there's either an alternative method to becoming an Arrancar or D-Roy and Fish never were Arrancar. Maybe they were on the cusp of becoming Adjuuchas (ie. 75% Adjuuchas and 25% Gillian) The numbers are completely arbitrary and I'm just using them as an example to quantify which part of the spectrum they may have been closer to.

But yeah, this one is a definite :headscratch

Ahh...

I get it! That's a possibility I never thought about-- D-Roy's form back then being a result of him approaching Adjuucha-ness and not his Arrancar-ness..

But then, they did convert GF into (what Isshin called) a "mock" Arrancar by forcibly ripping off his mask, so I'm assuming that's what the pre-hyogokou method was.. But then, GF didn't gain any Shinigami features via method, whereby the Privaron were all non-Hyogoku and had the 'true' Arrancar features... :confused:

Grrr..

[DeDaL]

Ahh...

I get it! That's a possibility I never thought about-- D-Roy's form back then being a result of him approaching Adjuucha-ness and not his Arrancar-ness..

But then, they did convert GF into (what Isshin called) a "mock" Arrancar by forcibly ripping off his mask, so I'm assuming that's what the pre-hyogokou method was.. But then, GF didn't gain any Shinigami features via method, whereby the Privaron were all non-Hyogoku and had the 'true' Arrancar features... :confused:

Grrr..

eeeh? o_O Wha~at? D-Roy was a Hollow when he faced Hollow Grimmjow. D-Roy was an Arrankar, when he and Iceringer made GrandFisher into an Arrankar.

GrandFisher...didn't get any shinigami features? How about a (relatively) human-like boby and a Zanpakutou? GranFisher and that other Arrankar, who attacked Ishida and was killed off by Ryuuken, were most probably the private experiments of Arrankar who were Aizen's experiments... That is why those two were weak and uncomplete.

[Lilium]

I've just read the scanlation. I was surprised that I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would after reading the spoilers. I seem to like grimmjow more now after seeing his cat-like form, which is surprising seeing as I originally didn't like the idea of him being literally a panther. Maybe because I like kitties <333. :p Interesting flashback regarding gillians and the makings of an adjucha.

I'm bit confused though, shawlong and co were still gillain right, so besides that one dude , the rest didn't look like gillains at all, but more like their arrancarized versions without the broken mask.

[furato]

I've loved Grimmjow from the get go and this chapter's just reinforcing what's so loveable about the Sexta Espada:

He is a kitty.

Wait! No! I mean he's a warrior who won't let some lucky shinigamybrid boy walk over his hard-fought achievements just like that. It's weird how I can sympathize so much with him here, because he's making me forget for a moment that he's still essentially a soul-eating monster.

Though the bit about Ichigo looking down on him... it's not Ichigo's fault, really. It's good for Ichigo to be confident in his fights. If you go into a fight thinking you'll lose, that's already half giving up.

[ForteAnly]

I doubt that Ichigo will kill Grimmjow since he has never killed anyone before unless count hollows. Grimmjow is more of a rival to him. He wouldn't kill him unless Grimmjow would kill someone close to him.

[Riekie]

And that's why Ichigo NEEDS to kill him Forte..it's bound to happen sometime and this is the perfect 'opportunity'..it's a life or death situation as Grimmjow stated at the beginning of this fight, and as we all know..Ichigo will not die thus the bad guy will..

In a way it's 'good' for Ichigo..he'll become a better fighter throughout it.

[ForteAnly]

And that's why Ichigo NEEDS to kill him Forte..it's bound to happen sometime and this is the perfect 'opportunity'..it's a life or death situation as Grimmjow stated at the beginning of this fight, and as we all know..Ichigo will not die thus the bad guy will..

In a way it's 'good' for Ichigo..he'll become a better fighter throughout it.

Trust me I would love for Ichigo to start killing people when he battles just like Zaraki, Hollow Ichigo,Dordonii told him. I don't know if Ichigo has it in him to do it. I guess we have to wait and see what Kubo has in store for us.:D

[Slev]

Ju-Ni scan is released.

http://ju-ni.net/ :>

[TotalAbsolute]

You know i just thought of something but it might be irrelevant but when the vizards talked in the anime didn't it not seem like there hollow and shingami were talking at the same time? i haven't heard ichigo sound like this.. Ichigo and shirosaki don't trust each other... there personalities are so different that its hurting there overall power.. remember what zangetsu said.. when the shingami relies to much on his own power the sword and shingami work against each other making them overall weaker.. shirosaki is zangetsu now so for him to be able to pull out all his power hes going to have to work with him.....

what he released earlier was just his more power to his shingami form... next we will see this +hollow form... when ichigo was enjoying himself earlier fighting grimmjow his power increased because shirosakiwas also enjoying himself... they were having fun together... more of shirosaki power seeked out and more and more.. ichigo was getting faster and had clearly had the operhand over grimjow by ease.. if shirosaki was in control fully the match would have ended where it began. In order for ichigo to win this fight he has to work with shirosakito win.. hes going to have to ask for help... and going to have to ask for shirosakito fight along side of him... when he does that he will be above vastrolorde lvl.. maybe above or = to vastrolorde+arrancarzation

[flower]

And that's why Ichigo NEEDS to kill him Forte..it's bound to happen sometime and this is the perfect 'opportunity'..it's a life or death situation as Grimmjow stated at the beginning of this fight, and as we all know..Ichigo will not die thus the bad guy will..

In a way it's 'good' for Ichigo..he'll become a better fighter throughout it.

Hi, I'm a newbie here! *waves*
I agree with your life/death assessment... however, I still think that Grimmy and Ichigo are both going to live through this one. I know it's often bad for a character when their backstory appears, but... there's a lot of psychological stuff going on that is making this more than just a physical fight, and I see a lot of ways it could end abruptly with a real plot-shaking moment. I could be totally wrong, we will see.

Grimmjow has really screwed himself one way or another, though-- there will be no mercy from Aizen on this one. Actually, I kind of feel like Aizen is the one that Grimmjow is really fighting through Ichigo, especially after that "I'll kill anyone who looks down on me" comment.