Officially has it begun?!

[Phenomenal]

I have a question.

Are we officially out of the Hueco Mundo arc and into the "Winter war" arc or are we still in the HM saga? Didn't Kubo say something about that in a weekly jump cover? I remember Geta Boshi posting something like that.

[thewizardninja]

Well it's certainly not the winter war arc becuase this isn't the winter war.

[.access timeco.]

I guess we can call it the "Autumn war" arc.

[Aizen Sousuke]

The winter war was suppose to occur in winter, but the battle started before it expected. While this was the battle we all anticipated, we can no longer really refer to it as the "winter war"

[jinxie]

I've been calling it the "Fake" Karakura Arc at the moment; :D I'm not sure, we'll wait for confirmation from the manga... Probably in the lines of "Blah blah Arc has begun!".

[Miyona]

The winter war was suppose to occur in winter, but the battle started before it expected. While this was the battle we all anticipated, we can no longer really refer to it as the "winter war"

Who knows if this is the battle we all have been waiting for...

Im thinking its not gonna last as long as we think for some reason.

[Velius]

This is *the* big final showdown between these too groups as they are now. A war if you will. It's late november/early december in the manga. That's close enough to when they were expecting to fight. Just like we didn't need anybody to tell us when the Huceo Mundo arc started, that it was going to be called the Huceo Mundo arc, I'm pretty sure we can put 2 and 2 together on this one, right guys? :D

[Rain]

is it really late november

they returned to school early september, there was a month of training, even being nice and giving almost a month there it should only be about late october, max :XD

I don't really see this as the winter war, mostly because I don't think that thei is where all the aizne, arranacr and all that comes to an end

[Dai Sun]

Even if it is mid-late November, it's still Autumn. Winter doesn't start until late December. But I recall there being some mention of this war happening two months early. If the Winter War was supposed to happen in January, then early November would be about right.

[Rain]

well, regardless the war was going to be in the winter because that is when the hougyoku would fully awaken

Aizen made his move before this point it would seem (there is no way its been 4 months since he left SS)

whatever happens during this conflict, it will act as the winter war, if SS loses, I doubt they will eb ready to fght again in 2 months

[gab00n]

I think it will become official after the Ichigo vs Ulquiorra fight. I also think Kubo will probably wait until it is closer to winter in the real world.

[Kurouno]

Personally, I think the current arc is what was originally going to be the Winter War Arc. They estimated that Aizen would be ready to make his big move in the winter. However, the fact that Kubo went through the trouble of showing that the Hougyoku can awaken temporarily by using Aizen's Reiatsu, tells me his preparations were completed sooner than expected.

It doesn't seem that Aizen's achieved the worst case scenario and gathered 10 Vasto Lordes, but judging by his relative calm in the (False) Karakura makes me think its all the same to him. If he can do it now, why wait when he has such desirable circumstances: the necessary force, and virtually half the Captains trapped in Hueco Mundo.

[oppressor]

Seeing that Aizen and Yamamoto are so close, i doubt that the final showdown will be in another arc...

I think that Aizen was prepared for the war but he would still used more time if allowed. Kidnapping Inoue to start the fight seem too much trouble for nothing. If he really wanted to start it he could had simply ordered the execution of Karakura reinforcement. In bonus he would had slain a captain + three other captain level openent that he certainly knew of (Ichigo, Urahara, Yoruichi).

[jcharliec]

Well i think they were closer in SS arc, an actually sorrounded by all the captains, and they escaped with negacion... They could use negacion again to escape if things go wrong...

Actually, we really dont know if Aizen is still there... or if it was an illusion from the very begining...

I think after the VC fight will see ichigos or rukia and the other fights... and at the very end will see de captains fight... and this is going to take a lot of time... we migth see the last fight actually in real winter..

[halfnhalf]

I've been calling it the "Fake" Karakura Arc at the moment; :D I'm not sure, we'll wait for confirmation from the manga... Probably in the lines of "Blah blah Arc has begun!".

I think those names are fitting but really guys...do we really care about the title...cant we all get along...I just like the manga period I dont really care what arc its in! :D :cool:

[Shinrin]

This is possibly November though likely late October
November= Winter for most.

Not sure when the Winter hits in Japan

[dattebayo]

The main characters are still in HM so it's still Hueco Mundo arc. The other battles is merely a spill-over of the HM arc. Really though, from Rukia's arrest to now, it should be called Aizen-arc because he is the puppeteer that controls everyone (therefore makes the story go round and round and round.) I can't think of any other villain who is able to control so much of what happens in the story.

[Velius]

It can't be the HM arc still. Even though most of them are in HM, Kubo said himself that the HM arc is over. Which is why we are guessing what arc we are in now.

[Black Dahlia]

An unnamed arc I guess. I think it's obvious for most of us I guess that Aizen has something out of his sleeve and the real Winter War will begin when he basically shows his trump card to baffle the old man and his merry band of morons once again.

Kubo and his penchant for twist and turns. I'd laugh if he makes Inoue the linchpin for the real WW. She'll probably make things worse when she wishes the hougyoku gone and by doing that really activating the real power of the darn thing.

[vkikay]

She'll probably make things worse when she wishes the hougyoku gone and by doing that really activating the real power of the darn thing.

oohhh yeah, we all know how Aizen loves to manipulate people and the fact that he did announce that Inoue is still needed for whatever. So it is probable that she will activate it when she rejects it.

[Aalicia]

oohhh yeah, we all know how Aizen loves to manipulate people and the fact that he did announce that Inoue is still needed for whatever. So it is probable that she will activate it when she rejects it.

It was the first idea crossing my mind the very moment I saw her wanting to reject the damn thing. I think it's more than likely it will happen that way, Aizen wouldn't have shown her where it is for nothing.

[thewizardninja]

It was the first idea crossing my mind the very moment I saw her wanting to reject the damn thing. I think it's more than likely it will happen that way, Aizen wouldn't have shown her where it is for nothing.

It makes it SOOOO obvious when it cuts to Aizen smiling to himself after she says to herself that she will reject it.

[vkikay]

It makes it SOOOO obvious when it cuts to Aizen smiling to himself after she says to herself that she will reject it.

did it really? :confused:Aizen smiling? :confused:crap man,:eek: i missed that i should really go and reread the freaginn' arc!

[Chronus]

As far as I remember Kubo never said anything about making a "Winter war" arc. We fans give that name to that arc, and imagined that i'd be cool to have such. It was no less imaginary from the beginning than any fanmade love-pairings. No one ever stated that there will be any kinds of "war at winter" arc, just Yama in-character, but he was brutally handled by the fact that Aizen needs much shorter time to awaken the Hogyouku.

Actually, the current arc is really that battle that would had took place in winter, but it just happened to took place sooner. Thats all. I guess even if the arc will be named, it will have a completly unreladed name....

Hmmm....

[wakeskater]

the transferred karakura soul society arc!

[Fortunate]

Where's Rukia to make it winter when you need her? :(

[Lady Orihime]

Winter actually begins in late December (around the 21st) in Japan, and for the rest of the other countries in the northern hemisphere. This isn't the "Winter War". If this is the final battle, then it would be called the Autumn War.



Actually, the current arc is really that battle that would had took place in winter, but it just happened to took place sooner. Thats all. I guess even if the arc will be named, it will have a completly unreladed name....

Hmmm....

Exactly. They only said the war would take place in Winter because Urahara needed 3 months to open the garganta, but it only took him one month.

[thewizardninja]

did it really? :confused:Aizen smiling? :confused:crap man,:eek: i missed that i should really go and reread the freaginn' arc!

Well it was more of a smirk than a smile but yeah, he did increase the verticle height of the corners of his lips.

[Shdo]

it has begun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG108e-uJUU&feature=related

[Sergelia]

Maybe I don't want to believe this is the 'final showdown' persay because it just seems so throughly underwhelming. I mean, I actually do like the fights, and the characters, and it's all flowers and rainbows... almost literally, in fact... but HELL, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EPIC.

Really, can you imagine Kubo even pretending to unwrap Bleach in this manner? Call me delusional, but I have my mind set on Epic Winter Battles (tm) and nothing will sway me until I see 'The End' written all over the manga, fancy lettering and all. Battles may have begun early, but who says they are not to be ended just as quickly?

[Aalicia]

Maybe I don't want to believe this is the 'final showdown' persay because it just seems so throughly underwhelming.

Showdown or not, what is it that keeps people calling it final?... Epic or lame, nothing was ever stated about the end of this war being the end of Bleach, be it with Aizen triumphant, dead or strategically retreated.

[Orihime-Chan]

I don't think there will be a winter war after this.. this is like the final battle.. unless Aizen and co escape somehow like before.

[Shdo]

most likely the shinigami will win in EVERY battle (because TK forgot to make a intresting story) and then aizen will pawn everyone and resummon karakura only to fight urahara and visard, he will win there as well but will be weakened.

this will give ichigo enough time to win ulquira and return with his team to beat aizen.

the end.

[Enth]

I'm going to consider this the Fake Karakura Arc until something significant happens, because atm I'm not even sure if the Captains and Espada will go at it :/

Besides, it's quite boring so far to be considered "Winter War Arc", so I'm happy to call it the Fake Karakura Arc for now :)

[wakeskater]

when aizen sees his faccion getting pwnd, he will go cry in a corner

and then we see ichigo fight and end of arc X-D that would be dissapointment, im curious to see where kubo goes with it, as far as no one dying, im pretty sure we will see some deaths in this arc, its going to be too epic (IF the top espada and the captains clash) I could actually see yamajii dying this arc, and throwing SS into chaos cause the strongest captain died. Like aizen has all 3 Espada release immediately and charge yama... omg that would be badass (CRIT CRIT CRIT) Yama Ganked!

[Aalicia]

(CRIT CRIT CRIT) Yama Ganked!

No more World of Warcraft to this one's table...

I doubt KT decides to kill off Yama. No one else will be fun to disobey orders from.

[wakeskater]

No more World of Warcraft to this one's table...


Uhm... whats world of warcraft :D :D :D

doncha be a hayta'

But just saying seeing yama get his ass handed to him would be cool, until he goes bankai

[Aalicia]

doncha be a hayta'

Am not, or I'd be a masochist on my choice of avatar, eheheh 8)

Wierd you want an old man getting a beating, but it's true, one hasn't seen his bankai yet, same as with Ukitake's, Shunsui's and Soi Fon's. I wonder if they'll all have to go all out against the espada, or if that will be saved for another stage of the conflict.

[Phenomenal]

But just saying seeing yama get his ass handed to him would be cool

I think not.