Yumichiki does have Bankai.

[Bekul]

Thought about putting this in another thread, but then again, to put it to rest, I figured maybe a new thread might be best.

Here's my evidence: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/322/04/

Yumichika: ...no. This isn't my bankai.

Note - he doesn't say "This isn't *a* bankai.", as I think he would if he didn't have bankai, but says, instead, "This isn't my bankai." As if he *does* have a bankai, but this isn't it.

Thoughts?

I know it's pretty meager evidence, but I'm personally blown away by his coolness right now.

[Jyuushiro]

Its a good point but I highly doubt he has bankai.

Yet...

[Shdo]

so you are saying that it is a bankai but it simply isnt his?

[Aalicia]

I thought the same, when I read it. It's not a conclusive statement, but it kinda leaves the feeling in the air that he might have it. He does seem to know his zampakuto VERY well, I wouldn't be surprised if he achieved materialization already. It takes many years to master bankai, even after achieving it, Yumichika having an unmastered bankai doesn't strike me as an over the top possibility.

so you are saying that it is a bankai but it simply isnt his?

No, you can look at a cat and say "This isn't a dog" or say "This isn't my dog". The difference is, on the last statement, you give away the impression you actually have a dog.

One has to keep in mind translation might not be perfect, though.

[Bekul]

Ah, exactly, Aalicia, that's the point I'm trying to make, though good point about the possibility of a poor translation. The fact that "not my bankai" really made me sit up and take notice.

If he'd just say "No, this is just my Shikai release, it's not a Banaki." I would have been, oh, it's not a bankai, of course not, he doesn't have a bankai.

Instead, what he said was "No, this isn't my Bankai. This, this is my Shikai." Being able to say "this isn't my" instead of "this isn't a" pretty much says that he's got one, from what I can tell. Heh, though that grammer is really messed up.

[Aizen Sousuke]

It would seem sketchy that Yumichika has Bankai only a few days after him and Matsumoto are seen trying to get their Zanpakutou's to materialize..

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/229/19/

[chikmagnet7]

That's sort of funny.

I'd like to see the actual raw Japanese though. Who knows what it actually said. The translators don't usually worry about minute details like that.

Even so, I don't think it proves he has a bankai. Although he may have s aid "no, this isn't my bankai," it's also true that one person's bankai is always his bankai. So, in other words, what Yumichika's bankai would appear to be once he reached the point where he could use it would be the same no matter what. A person's bankai is unchanging. So he could still say "no this isn't my bankai." Does that sort of make sense?

[Rain]

I don't even think this really implies he has bankai as is

its more important how he was asked, if he wasked is this a bankai or is this your bankai then it holds more wieght

well, actually he asked in a backwards way, so either answer would be normal to give:nuts

meh, i don't think it means he has one

[gigantor21]

I know it's pretty meager evidence, but I'm personally blown away by his coolness right now.

I agree on both points, which is why I disagree with your argument.

Yeah, Ruiriiro is awesome. It's probably one of the most useful Shikai in the entire series--one of the very few that uses the opponents own power against them. If Yumi had a Bankai on top of that, then he'd be captain class by default IMO. Having 2 people that strong in one division, who also just happened to be best friends, would be ridiculous.

Also, I'm with Stark in seeing no implications behind Yumi's comment. For one, it could very well be a translation caveat--given how SleepyFans don't have the most stellar writing, I wouldn't put much stock in their wording. We'll have to wait until Binktopia and M7 put their scans out.

Also, even if that IS correct, it's still ambiguous. Yamada has a second Shikai state, which comes out after a massive GT-style blast...but it's a dinky little scalpel. If he said "this isn't MY Bankai", I bet money no one would suspect he had one. The strength of one's Shikai doesn't tell you much--otherwise, we'd have seen Ikkaku's Bankai coming a mile away.

[.access timeco.]

I also don't see that implication :/

And, to be honest, I guess Yumichika will NEVER acheive Bankai unless he overcome the shame he feels about Ruriiro Kujaku.
C'mon, you need a perfect synchro (?) with your zanpakutou to use Bankai, but Yumichika's interaction with his zanpakutou are always based in making it angry do to be ashamed of its true form.
I am pretty sure that Ruriiro Kujaku (specially if it is as prideful as Yumichika said) is not too friendly with Yumichika. I would not be surprised if it actually hates Yumichika :/

And, well, I think we already has enough Bankai around. Not to mention Ruriiro Kujaku is already too damn strong, Yumichika doesn't need to have a new power.

[Velius]

PROTIP: Don't use wording to prove anything from japanese to english fan made scanlations. Read more translations. Then come back with some thing that could work.

[Gol D. Roger]

Well, technically every shinigami has a bankai, potentially. Whether or not they can achieve it is the question. So just because he refers to, "my bankai," doesn't mean he's actually reached it yet.

[Eloni]

I had the same impression and I think Yumi could reach bankai but I can't see him having it now, that would be too much power up for him in a couple of chapters. Maybe later, a few... dozen... hundred chapters later, but not anytime sooon.

[the_cobbinator]

I don't think he has a bankai.
I think the clown(tm) assumed he used bankai against him as this was a power on a whole different scale compared to what Yumichika battled him before.

That and you're relying on translation, which was all major drama material regarding authors actual words.

[kenshi]

tbh I wouldn't relay on the translation on this kind of cases, translators prolly didn't think of this when they translated the text so it might just be something else in japanese.

[abducted]

Ah, exactly, Aalicia, that's the point I'm trying to make, though good point about the possibility of a poor translation. The fact that "not my bankai" really made me sit up and take notice.

If he'd just say "No, this is just my Shikai release, it's not a Banaki." I would have been, oh, it's not a bankai, of course not, he doesn't have a bankai.

Instead, what he said was "No, this isn't my Bankai. This, this is my Shikai." Being able to say "this isn't my" instead of "this isn't a" pretty much says that he's got one, from what I can tell. Heh, though that grammer is really messed up.

I could see where you could make that assumption. It's not farfetched to think that Kubo would slide a clue as litttle as that in there. But you're reading way to into this. Yumichika chose to use the pronoun "my" instead of "a" simply because he was the subject of their conversation. Had that not been Yumi's sword being used it would make sense to respond with "No thats not a bankai". But then why would Coolhorn be asking a person about someone else's bankai. Its really just proper word choicing really.

[imamess]

Just to clear up what he said, the raw has him saying: 違う卍解じゃない。 Which is you're wrong, it's not bankai. or literally you're wrong, not bankai. Since Coolhorn just before him was already on the subject of bankai, Yumi didn't need to even put a possessive or noun in there, just negate what it's not. (If that makes sense, I'm pretty basic with my language skills, but this was something I just recently went over, so it's fresh in my head.)

Plus, if he pisses off his zanpakuto so much because he uses a command he hates, I don't think they cooperate enough to be able to go much further. He was struggling just days ago and getting annoyed just talking to the spirit, I don't think he's gotten that far just yet.

[sacrifice4]

Could be a mistranslation.

[ch1mera]

I have my doubts. For all the reasons above mentioned, and for the fact that I can´t see why Yumichika would achieve bankai, as he hardly fights with his swords real form. Also, seems that he doesn´t listen his zanpakutou, which makes things more difficult to him.

[Rain]

Just to clear up what he said, the raw has him saying: 違う卍解じゃない。 Which is you're wrong, it's not bankai. or literally you're wrong, not bankai

thanks messy:hug


between this and the panel where he was training for training for (and failing at) getting bankai its pretty obvious he doesn't have one yet

[SakuraTsuny]

I don't think he has bankai.I don't even want that..if even Yumi has bankai...Does Bankai still what it should be?
Like others sad, he uses a nickname to call his Zanpakuto.So he and his Zanpakuto aren't in a good enough relationship to reach Bankai.

[Dai Sun]

Agreed. We know he's training for it, so we know he doesn't have it before the HM arc. He was actually pretty annoyed at his zanpakuto when he tried to get it to materialize. Funny thing was, he was screaming for it to break, just like he was screaming for Coolhorn's zanpakuto to break last chapter. I don't think it's ever going to break either, since breaking would be synonymous with becoming ugly.

I doubt he's got bankai in such a short time. In fact, I seriously wonder if he's even got the materialization to happen at all yet. The fact that he keeps calling his zanpakuto by a nickname that it doesn't like makes me wonder if that's ever going to happen. It's a good thing his zanpakuto doesn't hold grudges, or he might never get it to fully release if he keeps calling it by a name it doesn't like.

That having been said, I don't think he really needs bankai. His full initial release is frightening enough as it were...

[tari101190]

regardless of what yumichika said...think about logically. yumichika is most likely, no, is definately not gonna have another fight b4 bleach ends. he's already had quite a bit of face time. this was his 'big fight'. there are loads of more important characters to fight and not alot of time left at the rate things are going.

if yumichika had bankai kubo would've shown it to us. he won't get another chance to show us now. so it wouldn't make much sense for yumicika to have bankai.

some of the captains and vice-captains still havn't fought and they are about to fight the top espada, their remaining fraccion and then aizen, tousen and ichimaru. yumichika doesn't fit into that has nobody left to fight. npo point kubo giving him a bankai if we're not gonna see him use it.

and i would rather see guys like hisagi just use their shikai's for the first time then see yumichka again so soon, even if it was to use bankai. (even though i do like yumichika)

[♠ Saint ♠]

I agree with wanting to see Hisagi's shikai for the first time.

But while I do not think that Yumichika has bankai, he's got to be very close to achieving it though. He knows his zan spirit's favorite color and seems to be on good terms with the spirit. I was blown away by his loyalty to the 11th. It was just... wow. Very moving how Kubo illustrated it without an excess in dramatics.

[zaeya]

I believe that he does. If you guys remember the flashback of the origin of Kenpachi taking over the 11th squad Ikkaku and Yumi were out on the streets together and everything Ikkaku did Yumi did. Whenever Ikkaku gets stronger Yumi does too so he can keep pace. Also he said he called his sword a nickname to keep it from releasing its full power. The sword probably has the same personality as Yumi. I believe that Yumi likes to keep pace with Ikkaku as not to get left behind and maintain his status in the 11th squad. He is just embarassed by the class of his sword because everyone else basically have swords that rely on brute strength. I also believe that Kenpachi has achieved Bankai as well but his pride won't allow him to use it, he probably learned in the time he spent with Byakuya which hasn't been discussed yet. The 11th squad is all about their pride in combat. Ikkaku has bankai now and he kept it a secret from everyone including Yumi until his fight with the arrancar. So it wouldn't be a stretch that Yumi has one and is keeping it a secret

[abducted]

I believe that he does. If you guys remember the flashback of the origin of Kenpachi taking over the 11th squad Ikkaku and Yumi were out on the streets together and everything Ikkaku did Yumi did. Whenever Ikkaku gets stronger Yumi does too so he can keep pace. Also he said he called his sword a nickname to keep it from releasing its full power. The sword probably has the same personality as Yumi. I believe that Yumi likes to keep pace with Ikkaku as not to get left behind and maintain his status in the 11th squad. He is just embarassed by the class of his sword because everyone else basically have swords that rely on brute strength. I also believe that Kenpachi has achieved Bankai as well but his pride won't allow him to use it, he probably learned in the time he spent with Byakuya which hasn't been discussed yet. The 11th squad is all about their pride in combat. Ikkaku has bankai now and he kept it a secret from everyone including Yumi until his fight with the arrancar. So it wouldn't be a stretch that Yumi has one and is keeping it a secret

where exactly is the proof? I don't remember it stating anywhere that Yumi and Ikkaku did everything together.In fact after Ikkaku's first battle with Kenpachi on the streets its a while before Yumi sees Ikkaku again. Yes they went into the SS together but come on, as far as gaining power goes thats an individual thing. Yumi can't get stronger just because Ikkaku gets stronger, they happened to train at the same time yes but just because they trained together doesn't mean they'll achieve bankai at the same time, it just doesn't work that way and theres no proof that it does. everytime Yumi has divulged info about his sword he's talked about its personality and its shikai. Nothing about bankai. It would be okay if he were hiding it from Ikkaku, but theres no need to hide it from us and this would've been the perfect time to reveal such a thing since as someone mentioned before its not likely that Yumi will be getting anymore spotlight.

[CeriaHalcyon]

Yumichika has bankai or is at least close to it.

his shikai is really the rose thorns, but in order to maintain the eleventh division combat zanpakuto requirement, he uses a different call sequence to have it achieve the four bladed rake.

[ch1mera]

The fact that Ikakku have bankai, doesn´t mean that Yumi has bankai as well. Also, he doesn't get along with his zanpakuto enough. They can't agree on who is the most beautiful, so I don't think he have bankai, at least not until they work out their differences. Plus, he has shown his shikai and it shows him trying to materialize his sword which is like the second step towards bankai. So obviously if he's training for it then he doesn't have it. After what we see, he doesn´t need bankai. His shikai is strong enough, IMO.

[Rain]

well, i agree he doesn't have it, but he could have just been communicating with his sword and then he got pissed

I think it was bankai training, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't have it, Ikkaku was doing it also:cookie

[ch1mera]

I think it was bankai training, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't have it, Ikkaku was doing it also:cookie
Because only Yumi and Renji knows about his bankai. Nobody else knows that Ikakku have bankai, and Ikakku has to pretending that he still need to training to reach bankai. Doesn´t mean anything, obviously. But well, at least in the anime (not the most viable source), Yumichika knows that Ikkaku have bankai. Ikakku doesn´t know about Yumichika´s shikai.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/xumbito/Semttulo.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll131/xumbito/Semttulo1.jpg

He was willing to use it against Shuuhei in SS because no one else was around. I wonder how he could achieved bankai, if he is always with Ikakku and Ikakku doesn´t know even about his shikai ability - that can be the reason why Yumi doesn´t fight with his ability more often. Unless he was lying to Shuuei :p

[Rain]

ch1- yeah, but Yumichika may have just been putting on a show like Ikkaku, pretending to train for it

and he would make it seem like he doesn't have it at all because he wnats to make sure nobody finds out about his swords real ability


meh, I agree he doesn't have it, but this, like half the stuff in bleach, could be interpreted a number of ways so nothing is for certain

[BigBadBuu]

First time we say Yumi's true Shikai, he activated it without calling it, which is supposed to be an indication that someone is near or at Bankai...

[thewizardninja]

First time we say Yumi's true Shikai, he activated it without calling it, which is supposed to be an indication that someone is near or at Bankai...

He hadn't activated it yet when we saw him talk about it with Shuuhei which is why we didn't hear him call it out. Besides he had to call it out against Coolhorn, and I don't think he would have chosen to call it out if he didn't have to.

[tari101190]

@rain: ikkaku was pretending to train for bankai.

they were all just meditating, synchronising with their zanpakutou. even hitsugaya was doing it. being more in sync with the zanpakutou will make you stronger. it was wasn't really about getting bankai...that is just a stepping stone towards getting stronger that the guys without bankai yet will pass over as they train.

[Rain]

@rain: ikkaku was pretending to train for bankai.

they were all just meditating, synchronising with their zanpakutou. even hitsugaya was doing it. being more in sync with the zanpakutou will make you stronger. it was wasn't really about getting bankai...that is just a stepping stone towards getting stronger that the guys without bankai yet will pass over as they train.

yeah, i get that, and its my point, Ikkaku was pretending to train, is it a stretch to think Yumi could have been doing the same:cookie


BigBadBuu- good point, but he was already in "shikai" in a sense so would he have to call it shift shikai forms

[cool_inuyasha_g]

You also might wanna remember that there have been scanlation errors more than once, for example Nel was thought to be a "he" for a very long time due to the translation. I do not think that would imply he knows his bankai, by just saying "this isn't my bankai" since every sword can have a bankai.

[Kastro187420]

You also might wanna remember that there have been scanlation errors more than once, for example Nel was thought to be a "he" for a very long time due to the translation. I do not think that would imply he knows his bankai, by just saying "this isn't my bankai" since every sword can have a bankai.

I think this is the most probable explanation. When you translate text, alot of the time you can paraphrase and adjust the wording so that it still says whats accurate, but in a manner that is in the style of the character, and so sometimes translations can vary depending on who does it.

He's also right by saying that every sword has a bankai, Yumi could just be saying that "I may be able to reach bankai, but this isn't it.".

[Statcat]

I'm pretty sure he wasn't lying when he said this isn't bankai I doubt he has one because if he did he would have used it by now. Honestly what is he saving it for an upcoming fight with perez hilton?

[michgael]

i just read ju-ni's scanalation and yumi said it differently, like:

this isn't bankai.

literally.

[Beee]

I don't think there's that much of a good evidence. It's a scanlation, which means that the scanlators might've been wrong or that they simply meant "it's not bankai". It'd be better if you used the japanese version for that, because you can't really nit-pick on vocabulary when it's translated work o_o. Also, he's fighting an arrankar, whose knowledge about shikai/bankai may be distorted (after all, arrankar don't have partial release, they just have full release, which is like bankai if I remember correctly).

To be honest, I don't think (and certainly hope) we don't see him with Bankai >_>. Bankai is supposed to be an uber-elite thing, not something that every Vice/Captain level can achieve just like that. Also, he doesn't seem to cooperate with his zanpakutou all that well, which is the main reason behind Kenpachi not having shikai.

[Velius]

To be honest, I don't think (and certainly hope) we don't see him with Bankai >_>. Bankai is supposed to be an uber-elite thing, not something that every Vice/Captain level can achieve just like that. Also, he doesn't seem to cooperate with his zanpakutou all that well, which is the main reason behind Kenpachi not having shikai.
Every captain and vice should be able to achieve but indeed "not just like that." That is why in these last two fights, we have had no power ups at all. Only Ichigo is allowed to achieve the impossible "just like that".

[rimrim]

Just imagine that : Yumichika has bankai. His shikai is already quite (not to say very) powerful if you think about it seriously. So what does his bankai could look like ? Some kind of thing that when he releases it sucks ALL the reiatsu in an 1000 metres radius, giving Yumichika all the reiatsu absorbed, making Yumichika a Super Shinigami, with blonde hair of course... :D

:rolleyes:

[Renaan]

My opinion is that it very slightly gives hint that he does, but there's hints to alot of things all over bleach...

There's nothing for sure till it's said

[Beee]

Every captain and vice should be able to achieve but indeed "not just like that." That is why in these last two fights, we have had no power ups at all. Only Ichigo is allowed to achieve the impossible "just like that".

Well, he has a ridiculously high spirit pressure, has vizardness and had training by Urahara... so I'd say he's a special case. Plus his papa is superstrong too :rolleyes: Besides, even Yoruichi says it. He was BORN to achieve bankai =)

@rimrim: that's probably why he doesn't even want Bankai. Spiky blonde hair doesn't match his face or his clothing. So it's definitely a big nono (Plus the muscles he'd get...so inelegant. D=)

[Orihime-Chan]

Thought about putting this in another thread, but then again, to put it to rest, I figured maybe a new thread might be best.

Here's my evidence: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/322/04/

Yumichika: ...no. This isn't my bankai.

Note - he doesn't say "This isn't *a* bankai.", as I think he would if he didn't have bankai, but says, instead, "This isn't my bankai." As if he *does* have a bankai, but this isn't it.

Thoughts?

I know it's pretty meager evidence, but I'm personally blown away by his coolness right now.
He might have one and didn't tell anyone just like Ikakku hid his. The 11th div squad respect their captain.. they can't reveal that they've accomplished bankai when Zaraki hasn't yet.. well, at least to their knowledge.

[Fyrefox]

XD I get the feeling he's at the level, and has gotten materialization, but using that nickname puts his sword off of it, and he knows it. You can't know your sword's favorite color unless you ask the question.