Eloni
08-21-2008, 04:46 PM
We know that only VLs have human (or human sized) form naturally (http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-197-page-16.html ) and that Aizen can create Arrancars from Menos with the help of the Hogyoku.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-188-page-12.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-188-page-13.html
We also know that Aizen has the Hogyoku for a couple of months (since he took it out of Rukia) and he'd made lots of Arrancars since then.
But in the Neliel vs Nnoitra battle Nnoitra asked “How many years do you think it has been since I first kicked you out of this place (LN)?”.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-292-page-9.html
Nnoitra, Neliel and Szayel clearly had human form in the flashbacks but they aren't VLs (OK, we don't know this for sure in Nel's case, but Nnoitra and Szayel couldn't be VLs since it's stated that a VL's power is greater than a captain's -http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-197-page-16.html - and they were defeated by Kenpachi and Mayuri pretty easily).
Isshin and Urahara mentioned pre-arrancars in chapter 188 but they also said that they were imperfect. Isshin said that the arrancarized Grand Fisher was at a completely different level compared to the pre-arrancars that they’ve seen before and that GF has grown into “such a powerful monstrosity”. Could Nnoitra, Neliel and Szayel be those pre-arrancars they were talking about?
I highly doubt it since that would mean GF was more powerful than them. It would be ridiculous since even if Nnoitra and Szayel had become more powerful since then, Neliel couldn’t grow in strength because she was rendered to a child but after her transformation she put up a good fight against Nnoitra.
So if Aizen hadn't had the Hogyoku years ago how is that possible for an Adjuchas to have human form? Is there a natural way to gain human form? Or did I miss something?
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-188-page-12.html
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-188-page-13.html
We also know that Aizen has the Hogyoku for a couple of months (since he took it out of Rukia) and he'd made lots of Arrancars since then.
But in the Neliel vs Nnoitra battle Nnoitra asked “How many years do you think it has been since I first kicked you out of this place (LN)?”.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-292-page-9.html
Nnoitra, Neliel and Szayel clearly had human form in the flashbacks but they aren't VLs (OK, we don't know this for sure in Nel's case, but Nnoitra and Szayel couldn't be VLs since it's stated that a VL's power is greater than a captain's -http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach-chapter-197-page-16.html - and they were defeated by Kenpachi and Mayuri pretty easily).
Isshin and Urahara mentioned pre-arrancars in chapter 188 but they also said that they were imperfect. Isshin said that the arrancarized Grand Fisher was at a completely different level compared to the pre-arrancars that they’ve seen before and that GF has grown into “such a powerful monstrosity”. Could Nnoitra, Neliel and Szayel be those pre-arrancars they were talking about?
I highly doubt it since that would mean GF was more powerful than them. It would be ridiculous since even if Nnoitra and Szayel had become more powerful since then, Neliel couldn’t grow in strength because she was rendered to a child but after her transformation she put up a good fight against Nnoitra.
So if Aizen hadn't had the Hogyoku years ago how is that possible for an Adjuchas to have human form? Is there a natural way to gain human form? Or did I miss something?