~Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows~

[krompt]

So how does everyone feel about then upcoming, and final book of the Jk. Rowling Harry Potter Series?
Come here to discuss it, and stuff. Personally i'm getting the day it comes out and can't wait to read it XD

[McDoogle]

Sounds to be like Bleach mixes with Harry potter :S

But the final? wow, never though id see the day, its such a good series of books and films aswell. I'm not much of a reader and i don't like to spoil things so ill wait a few years for it to come out on film xD but it should be interesting to see how it all ends.

[aznxenocide]

I was just re-reading book 6, since I'd completely forgotten everything that happens. And I was thinking...J.K. Rowling's style of writing hasn't changed that much since Book 1. There's still alot of the tongue-in-cheek, the same plaid diction, etc...the subject matter's greatly matured, but it just doesn't seem as engaging now as it did years ago. Hoping Book 7 will be different.

[krompt]

I don think it matters if it is different or not, i mean every book has been leading up to this one. Fan will read ignoring the constant and boring syle of writing while simply focusing on gaining the information from the book. I mean frankly right now i dont care how she writes anymore, this will probably be the last book from her that i absolutely must read. XD

[Slev]

I'm not a fan of the Harry Potter series, but I do hear that spoilers for the last book have been released. Quick, Harry Potter fans, abandon the internet!

[SBJ220]

I love the Potter books. I've got the last book on reserve, so I'll be consumed for a few hours reading it next weekend. As for what I think is going to happen... Harry dies. That's about it. Everything else is either a given or up for debate. The only thing I'm solid on is that Harry is a goner. I may be wrong in the end, but for now, that's my stance.

[aznxenocide]

B-B-But...the fan service!

XD

How epic would it be if Ron killed Harry? Jeez. I'd stab someone from sheer joy.

[SBJ220]

Nah, I think Nevil's going to be the hero in the end. That's far-fetched, I know, but I keep thinking J.K. is setting the boy up to be the next Harry.

[aznxenocide]

You mean how it was by chance Voldemort gave Harry the scar and not Neville? Eh, maybe.

[SBJ220]

Nah, not that necessarily. I just think that he's poised better than anyone else to be the successor to Harry. It may prove false, but I just get the feeling that Harry dies almost killing Voldemort or something and then Neville comes out as the hero. Hard to explain. I just have a feeling Harry is slated to die, so I'm trying to find someone to replace him, y'know?

[aznxenocide]

But wasn't the prophecy that only Harry could kill Voldemort?

Or wait...not even, right? huh. You should set up a betting pool dude. :p

[SBJ220]

It went something like "none may live while the other survives." To me, that means that one must die for the other to live a full life. I just think that considering J.K. spent a week crying in a hotel room when she finished the book that Harry dies and something really emo happens at the end. Don't get me wrong tho, I can stand emo if it's done properly. I just hope she pulled it off.

[aznxenocide]

Or you know, it could be because it's the end of a story that she's poured her heart and soul into for basically this past decade, or one of the myriad of other plausible reasons.

XD

:p haha just playing. She said it was a MAJOR character...not necessarily Harry though. Eh, who knows. I'm just bored, playing devil's advocate. :D

[SBJ220]

I understand, dude. Believe me, I do. I just think that if she's gonna kill someone, it's been set up to be Harry. He can die and be a martyr that lives on throughout magical history as the greatest hero of all time, or something like that.

[Ulquiorra]

ive followed Harry Potter since book 1, so ill be buying it. I look forward to seeing how Rowling will end the series.

[aznxenocide]

I understand, dude. Believe me, I do. I just think that if she's gonna kill someone, it's been set up to be Harry. He can die and be a martyr that lives on throughout magical history as the greatest hero of all time, or something like that.

Him dying a martyr would mean he'd be sacrificing himself to kill Voldemort, or so that someone else could kill him...

oohhh. INTENSE! :eek:

[SBJ220]

Yup, that's exactly my point, xeno, lol. That's how I think it's going to go down. Harry and Voldemort. Both dead.

[Ulquiorra]

that would be so predictable though. Every Harry Potter fanatic has theorized that ending.

[SBJ220]

True, but that's what I am, lol. I can't help being part of the crowd when I am. It just happens that way. :p

[emoloz]

I guess you aint been as luky as i have with book 7. Shes been on a few UK shows to tell a little about the book.

She says:

1. A blood bath will happen - Most if not all the death eaters will die, muggles will die, some of the order will die, misisty, a few students even, main characthers only 2 she seems to have stated, possibly a few house elfs...
2. Shes ended it but the last chapter is based on what happens in the future - so my theory on this is she might have kept Harry alive for this chapter only plus the proecy says only one must die so mayeb she could have kept him Alive.
3. She cried and whaled when she was writing the end - means some characthers she truely love must have died otherwise it would be a bit silly to cry
4. She doesn't know if she will do anything more based on Harry potter she says shes going to wait and see what a break takes her.


I think she could kill Harry but i think its bit too far expected of her to kill him and tis chapter at the end eally bugs me. She could write a good bit from it. When people have asked her about she seems a little odd when answering the question based upon his death so maybe she hasn't killed him.

Who i think dies:

Belletirx le strange
Lupin
Snape
Lucious Malfoy
Voldemort - too obvious tbh
Mr Weasley
Other death eaters
Some muggles
Kreatcher
Neville longbottom

[yahoosoda]

I've been reading Harry Potter since the first book. It's kinda hard to imagine that it will all come to an end soon. That's relatively 6 or more years of my life. I can understand perfectly why JK Rowling would cry her eyes out the end. No one is more involved in this series other than her. This whole series has changed her life and to see it end is heartbreaking and relieving at the same time.

Anyway here are my theories...

* Harry will not die since it will completely defeat the purpose of the whole series and it's the most obvious plot element. Knowing JK, she tries very hard to surprise her readers...the death of one of the biggest characters and the betrayal of the other in book 6 is proof of that. Several years ago JK has stated that she has already written the final chapter of the whole series and the last word is 'scar'. My take on this is that Harry after his fight with Voldermort will be lost, only to come back in the future.

* I think despite everything else, Snape will pull through in the end and be the one who will actually save Harry. Snape is a very troubled character, and he as more things in common with Harry than anyone else. I believe that he will realize that in the end, Harry is not his father and he will save him.

* My prediction is one of the Weasleys will die. Either one of the twins or Mr. Weasley. Percy won't die since he needs a chance for redemption. I pray that neither Ron or Ginny will die. Although, a part of me feels that Ginny will play a role in the end considering she too has some level of connection with Voldermort.

* As difficult as it is, I think Hagrid will die. It will be the moment where his brother will gain deeper consciousness and perhaps aid them in the final battle. Hagrid's brother is the most likely candidate to defeat the current giant ruler and perhaps lead the race into more peaceful times.

Personally, I think the final theme of the book apart for the resolution of things is mending. Relationships between the magical realm and the rest of the magical creatures have to be mended. The centaurs will have to play a role since I think the giants have sided with Voldermort. Ron and Hermione's relationship has to be mended and progress as well. (Practically a good chunk of book 6 dealt with the angst between those two). Percy's relationship with his family has to mended as well...but it will take a death for him to see this. The ministry of magic has to mended too. And finally, Harry and his broken relationship with Ginny also has to find some kind of resolution.

[emoloz]

Nah ah ha. Scar is now not the last word she confirmed it on Johnathon Ross because she has re written the chapter.

Minsitry mending meh there going to fall the shreads. The muggle world she says is going to notice some new changes so the minstriy has to fall to shreads.

I agree on the Harry potter thing though she can't kill him its too blatenly obvious.

Hagrid hmm i could see him dying then again i just can't.

[yahoosoda]

I haven't been that much up to date with the HP community but I'm doing some catch up since the book up coming out next saturday.

Anyway, the biggest lead to Book 7 is the identity of R.A.B. We know that person is actively trying to defeat Voldermort as well. having destroyed one of the horcrux. IMHO, Harry will cross paths with this person in his search for the remaining ones.

[emoloz]

Yeah its Sirius's brothers it's so obvious. He will have to. I think he could help him out as well in this.

She has also said that Kreacher will have something big to do with this book so maybe he will make the two meet.

[aznxenocide]

I guess you aint been as luky as i have with book 7. Shes been on a few UK shows to tell a little about the book.

She says:

1. A blood bath will happen - Most if not all the death eaters will die, muggles will die, some of the order will die, misisty, a few students even, main characthers only 2 she seems to have stated, possibly a few house elfs...
2. Shes ended it but the last chapter is based on what happens in the future - so my theory on this is she might have kept Harry alive for this chapter only plus the proecy says only one must die so mayeb she could have kept him Alive.


I think she could kill Harry but i think its bit too far expected of her to kill him and tis chapter at the end eally bugs me. She could write a good bit from it. When people have asked her about she seems a little odd when answering the question based upon his death so maybe she hasn't killed him.

Who i think dies:

Belletirx le strange
Lupin
Snape
Lucious Malfoy
Voldemort - too obvious tbh
Mr Weasley
Other death eaters
Some muggles
Kreatcher
Neville longbottom

Tonks is going to die....srsly. She's already hella depressed and whatnot.

1. "Most if not all the death eaters are going to die"....Most of the ones we know, or MOST of them?
2. So...you're thinking it's going to be some sort of epilogue? That'd make sense...

I thought...Sirius' brother had died? I mean, that's why Harry got mastership of Kreacher, isn't it?

[emoloz]

Yes he is but he might some potrate or a ghost somewhere and kreacher knows where this is situated.

All we know for definate but am guessing some others will die that we don't know also i know it sounds obivious but you know you have to slot there deaths somewhere considering J.K.'s stated its to be a blood bath.

Tonks being depressed doesn't mean she will die. I am not sure on Tonks to be honest. I think the onyl way she could die would be fighting Bellatrix but Neville will fight her at some point in this book and i think he plays the victim in this battle. If she dies it won't be anything spectacular.

[aznxenocide]

Well, Neville certainly deserves to revenge him parents by killing Bellatrix, that's for sure.

As for Sirius' brother...so, he got the horcruxes a looonnngg time ago? That may explain his early death, I suppose...lool did Rowling really say this was going to be a "bloodbath"? hahha wooow.

[emoloz]

Yeah its a bit confusing the whole R.A.B thing but am sure it will peice together.

She sure did and i knew she would say it as well. If you look on youtube or somewhere am sure you'll find the itnerview it on Johnathon Ross (gah spell his first name at all). Cause she was putting an end to the rumour of two characthers and she just said nah theres not 2 deaths i said maybe 2 main characthers the whole storys a blood bath or wrds to that effect.

Yeah Neville has to i hope he does some wacky spell and sends her flying to her death.

[Shirosaki]

i think that harry and voldemort dies,
i haven't read any of the books, just the movies so i have no clue if this is right or not

i see it as harry sacrifices himself, and kills both of them with the school being renamed and some epic remembrance happens

or
voldemort kills one of harrys friends and harry goes all crazy on him and then kills him
tho that wouldn't make JK rowling cry as she said she did in an interview :/

[Da'Flash]

495 pages of the book have been scanned ( and the also the end )
Im downloading it *___*

Spoilers Spoilers Spoilers XDDD

[Lady Orihime]

I downloaded it already. That person who took pictures of each page has A LOT of dedication, good lord! :eek:

This book left me feeling...pissed. In more ways than one. >_>

[SBJ220]

You finished the whole thing, Lady O? Any chance you could PM me some spoilers?

[Da'Flash]

I have already read 4 chapters and OMFG


it's so sad T__T

Not very a spoiler ~~

[Lady Orihime]

You finished the whole thing, Lady O? Any chance you could PM me some spoilers?

Haha, It's hard to read that thing. I've only read the epilogue, and some of the spoilers found here: http://community.livejournal.com/spoil_me_dh/
^ Spoil Me Deathly Hallows LJ community.

I could also send you the download link for the entire book scans? Or do you just want a list of people who died? :cool:

[SBJ220]

I'm trying to decide that, myself. I don't want the whole book ruined for me, but I want to know something... Umm... Ah, to Hell with it. The damn thing's out in less than a week. I can wait. Thanks anyway.

EDIT: if you have a reliable whole book scan, that'd be cool tho. that way i can get the whole thing.

[Shirosaki]

someone tell me the spoilers, all of them please

[emoloz]

Apprently its fake and all the books are under tight security so i dunno whats going on there. Don't post anything either please people such as myself don't want it ruined.

[Agmaster]

I'm gonna DL the book on tape and use it as a lullaby for a few weeks.

[Da'Flash]

Apprently its fake and all the books are under tight security so i dunno whats going on there. Don't post anything either please people such as myself don't want it ruined.

No no no it's the real haha

I have read 8 chapters for now ^^

And... Oh no i can't spoil you ^^

[Lady Orihime]

Here are two pages from the book (nothing that should spoil anything):

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t123/ichixhimeavaban/IMG_3625.jpg

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t123/ichixhimeavaban/IMG_3626.jpg

If you think it's reliable, PM me, and I'll send you the link to the file ^_^

I honestly haven't read it...only the epilogue (:mad:), and to see who died (:cry)

[emoloz]

YES PLEASE DON'T PEOPLE LIKE ME WANT TO READ IT. Gha its the American version SEE UK OWNS YOU ALL WE DON'T CHEAT AND TAKE PICTURES OF IT!!!!!!

[suzu]

How come that the book is already available on the internet???
Well i will wait patiently till the 21st :p

[emoloz]

Cause people are mean and open the boxes earlier and get a digi cam out and take pictures of the whole book so they can take it home and read it when there supposed to be guarding it >.<

[gab00n]

I've read the whole book and I thought it was very good, I'll still buy the book when it comes out.

[Beee]

hm... somehow I think Harry will be evil in the end xD ...without Dumbledore to seek advice from and the pretty "sour" way the last HP ended, I just figured it might just happen :p

anyways lookin forward to ze book o_o

[yahoosoda]

I read the epilogue already, if that is even the correct one :p

All in all I thought it wasn't bad. It was how I expected it to end. I'm glad that JK took this approach but she is right...some people will definitely loathe the last book.

EDIT:

For those who do not want to be spoiled... There is a big spoiler image (several pictures of the pages in the book all in one image) going around the Internet now. I just saw the image on gaming site and from what I have read there are random trolls who enter chatrooms and post comments at blogs with the spoiler. So if you want to remain unspoiled, try to stay way from the Internet until you finish the book.

[spacecat]

Can someone tell me who dies, I don't read the books but wanna know anyways ahaha I watch the movies :p

[emoloz]

I read the epilogue already, if that is even the correct one :p

All in all I thought it wasn't bad. It was how I expected it to end. I'm glad that JK took this approach but she is right...some people will definitely loathe the last book.

EDIT:

For those who do not want to be spoiled... There is a big spoiler image (several pictures of the pages in the book all in one image) going around the Internet now. I just saw the image on gaming site and from what I have read there are random trolls who enter chatrooms and post comments at blogs with the spoiler. So if you want to remain unspoiled, try to stay way from the Internet until you finish the book.

Or limit the sites you go on. Thats what i am doing. Looking at all the shopping sites instead xDD

[Miranu]

Hmm.. I read the last two chapters of the book /LQ camshot XDDDD/
I'll read the rest when I'll get the real book :D
It wasn't bad :D It's a bit odd, that the full book got leaked out with that tight security lol :D

[Sergelia]

OK so I stubbornly refuse to read ANY sort of spoilers. I'm not so much of a *rabid* HP fan, but hey - I've grown up with this series, the last thing I need is to have it spoiled for me in the last moment. >__<

And I limit my website reading to Bleach and Naruto sites only, to escape from the bad bad spoilers. I made a mistake and searched for an actress's interview (I was just enchanted by the fifth movie, I HAD to) on YouTube and sure enough, some complete retard decided to spoil it for everyone in the comments. I managed to escape on time, fortunately.

As for my predictions (don't laugh at me, those of you who've read the book! This is just crack)

1) Luna is actually Voldemort. Or gets killed. Choose either.
2) Harry dies. That's pretty much a given. Only he turns out to be the Horcrux so he kills himself in order for Neville to kill Voldemort afterwards. xD 3
3) In the epilogue, it is revealed that Hermione eventually became the Minister of Magic, or the Headmistress of Hogworts.
4) Pettigrew saves Harry's life on one occasion.
5) Ron almost gets killed, but is saved by Hermione... or Snape.
6) Neville kills Voldemort.
7) Ginny bores.

Yaay.

[emoloz]

Cool thoerys but i disagree that Harry is an actual Horcrux because why would voldemort want to kill a part of his own soul?

[Sergelia]

Mmm... maybe... he hasn't realized it yet? >__>


...yeah, I should probably scratch that theory.

[emoloz]

Yeah but i am sure he would know where to put his souls. I think he gave Harry some of his power with the scar along with parsalmouth and thats it to me.

[Unicorn]

Just heard on the news that JK Rowling confirmed that the leaked scans of the book are genuine.

Methinks heads are gonna roll for the lost sales... starting from the publisher and printer...

[Shannon]

I've seen the online leak. I was all, "OMG, is that really true?" I've heard it is. Poor, poor HP fans. It's a bit disappointing, imo.

[emoloz]

I get mine tonight. Meh if its dispointing it is dispoinintg at least shes tried. Shes been under a toone of stress with these books. She said she weapt when she'd finished writing it.

[yahoosoda]

I think when people say its disappointing they talk about the Epilogue more than anything else. Execution wise, it might be great and from the little bits that I read it isn't all that bad. In the end this is Rowling's books, this is her story and she ended it the way she wanted it to end.

I'm getting the book when I wake up tom morning...can't wait! :)

[Sergelia]

I'll try getting the book tonight at the Midnight party (in the local British Council). I hope I win the permission to rent it - only fifteen out of 150 allowed guests take one home!

[Cilo]

I'll try getting the book tonight at the Midnight party (in the local British Council). I hope I win the permission to rent it - only fifteen out of 150 allowed guests take one home!


That's retarded. >(

[emoloz]

I agree getting mine soon!!!!

[Sergelia]

That's retarded. >(

Agreed, but what can I do - I haven't pre-ordered, so I'll only be able to actually BUY one on Monday. And who could wait till Monday, whilst knowing it's out on the shelves, perfectly legal and buy-able, with all its yummy 608 pages?

:eek:

Not me.

[Llama]

In the end Ichigo appears in front of Harry and says, "How dare you break copyright infringement laws!" And then he stabs Harry. And this is how he dies.

[LiquidTheBrit]

Okay, just a little warning for those going to the release tonight..

SOMEONE (no names will be mentioned, 4channers can guess who it is) initiated a raid, as usual, on the new Harry Potter book, however, now they have spoilers for the entire book. If you get handed a flyer that was printed on printer paper while you're waiting in line, then it may be a person who actually went through with the 'raid'. Proof, if you don't mind being potentially spoiled, is here (http://hp07raid.pbwiki.com/).

I thought I'd be nice and warn people of the possible spoiling. =P It's nicer than going ahead and spoiling you guys.

Also, ADFASDFHASDF after we get the Harry Potter book tonight, we head for Otakon. I should've dressed as Cho or something for the occasion... but no. >_>

[ruukii]

i got my hands on book 7 this very early morning and just finished reading this thickly book~like in 4 hours O___O;; i won't give out the spoilers dun worry but i would say, the amateurs fanfic are better than this one TT___TT ships are totally sucks (tho my own ship blown up to pieces which i dun mind and i can live on with so many fanfics around :p huhu..). i can't believe the last book; which i put my highest expectation, was the craptastic ever. i still holding on my word that book 5 was the best out of all 7 books. and surprisingly, book 7 has made Snape to be my favourite character in HP fandom world >______<;;; blehh...i need chocolates >.>;; in short, yes, i'm so frustrated now ~_~ uwaa...~~there goes my $$~:cry

[Griffith]

OMG Rukii give me spoilers

[LiquidTheBrit]

HOLY. CRAP. We just bought the book.

All those spoilers were true. ( ._.)

[Griffith]

read the spoilers and I have to say I found the fake ones better, I mean this is such a happy ending >.>

[ruukii]

HOLY. CRAP. We just bought the book.

All those spoilers were true. ( ._.)


indeed >.> that makes me wondering how they can leaked out those info TT___TT 10 billions $ down to the drain

[Lady Orihime]

HOLY. CRAP. We just bought the book.

All those spoilers were true. ( ._.)

I never thought they were :rotflmao As much as I wanted them to be :rolleyes:

[StarryInoueSky]

I love Snape too!

:)

Okay, just a little warning for those going to the release tonight..

SOMEONE (no names will be mentioned, 4channers can guess who it is) initiated a raid, as usual, on the new Harry Potter book, however, now they have spoilers for the entire book. If you get handed a flyer that was printed on printer paper while you're waiting in line, then it may be a person who actually went through with the 'raid'. Proof, if you don't mind being potentially spoiled, is here.

LOL! Geeze... some people are... nevermind. But I find that funny.

[Sergelia]

Due to many unhappy circumstances it took me WHOLE 6 HOURS to read this, two of which I spent looking for a gift for a friend in a huge clothes store. Never mind. I'll only say one thing.

This. Book. Sucked.

Snape was its only light in the darkness... And I must say Hermione and Harry's brother-sisterly love was just endearing. Nonetheless... the book just sucked.
So much for all those years of waiting, JKR. Jee, thank you. >__> I do feel like strangling her right now.

Many fans got disappointed because of HarryGinny and RonHermione, but I honestly didn't care - I quit HP shipping a long time ago and I feel a lot healthier now. xD

So... peeps... I guess that's that, then?
I feel so... let down.

[ruukii]

Due to many unhappy circumstances it took me WHOLE 6 HOURS to read this, two of which I spent looking for a gift for a friend in a huge clothes store. Never mind. I'll only say one thing.

This. Book. Sucked.

Snape was its only light in the darkness... And I must say Hermione and Harry's brother-sisterly love was just endearing. Nonetheless... the book just sucked.
So much for all those years of waiting, JKR. Jee, thank you. >__> I do feel like strangling her right now.

Many fans got disappointed because of HarryGinny and RonHermione, but I honestly didn't care - I quit HP shipping a long time ago and I feel a lot healthier now. xD

So... peeps... I guess that's that, then?
I feel so... let down.

it's good for you that you have stopped shipping and not like me, being an HHr fan really hurts so much ;__; by putting that aside, the major thing is the book itself; wow...i'm impressed that this book 7 royally sucks!!! O___O so predictable and even the way the story develops as if JKR wants it ends soon. trust me, there are so many good fanfics out there by amateur writers who are really THAT good compared to book 7. book 5 is the only one that gives me satisfaction in reading. mou...:cry

[Mei]

I got the book today morning!!! =D

It lies just beside me on my computer!

I´m so excited!:)

I´ll start reading in the afternoon! ;)

(I´m just a bit sad that it doesn´t have so many pages as the last ones :( )

[Sergelia]

it's good for you that you have stopped shipping and not like me, being an HHr fan really hurts so much ;__; by putting that aside, the major thing is the book itself; wow...i'm impressed that this book 7 royally sucks!!! O___O so predictable and even the way the story develops as if JKR wants it ends soon. trust me, there are so many good fanfics out there by amateur writers who are really THAT good compared to book 7. book 5 is the only one that gives me satisfaction in reading. mou...:cry

I loved Goblet of Fire too.

I'm glad we agree on Deathly Hollows sucking. I mean for the love of buh-jesus, it was so dumb I'll need to re-read it thrice just to analyze my incredible dislike towards it. Alas, I'll try and find what exactly, other than weirdly bad writing, makes is so... bad.

And heck, how come is this book passing oh-kay with critics?! Guess the good ones haven't read it through yet.

As for HHr, I always quite liked it but saw it as inevitable truth that RonHermione was coming. It was just so predictable.

But it's HarryGinny that truly made me stop shipping. That's the only relatively normal pairing that I always hated with all my heart and I never really understood why. I never cared for any of them so to say, and it was perfectly okay to me if Harry ended up with Luna, Hermione, Moaning Murtle, Peeves, or Ron, as long as it wasn't Ginny. But of course, I knew I was fighting a lost battle by the end of book 6.

[LiquidTheBrit]

Personally, I think the 5th book was the best. However, I will forever remember the glee I had when I checked to see if all the spoilers were true.. and they were XD

[emoloz]

Gah i read the book and tbh i loved it.

It ended just the way i imagined it. Everything was spot on. Sadly some didn't die that i wanted to but still. Some sad deaths the Lupins, I feel dead sorry for teddy. Though i aint suprised that both of them died it had to happen. Dumbledore gah he had it all sorted did the dude. Such a genius. And Sanpe gah hes ace but ugly. Seriously he was a brill man and i knew he would never be evil he had a link with dumby from Day 1 as i though. Fantastic J.K. The parings at the end god bless you J.K. perfect. Just they way i wanted it to end. So why do you people think it was bad wanna know? The only thing i hate is how she dragged it with the horcrux stuff in the middle and the deathly hallows bit too was gawd get on with it. The rest was amazing.

[Shinrin]

I'll read it eventually, but... Hopefully it'll be more entertaining then the 6'th book.(Was way, way to predicatable)

Never been a big Potter fan but i were a fan a few years ago till the movies startet to drag my fandom down and then the 6'th book more or less killed it.
Now i just follow it like the majority i guess.


I'll stick with 12 kingdoms for fantasy novels(much better imo, just alittle to complex with the names at times)

[ruukii]

Gah i read the book and tbh i loved it.

It ended just the way i imagined it. Everything was spot on. Sadly some didn't die that i wanted to but still. Some sad deaths the Lupins, I feel dead sorry for teddy. Though i aint suprised that both of them died it had to happen. Dumbledore gah he had it all sorted did the dude. Such a genius. And Sanpe gah hes ace but ugly. Seriously he was a brill man and i knew he would never be evil he had a link with dumby from Day 1 as i though. Fantastic J.K. The parings at the end god bless you J.K. perfect. Just they way i wanted it to end. So why do you people think it was bad wanna know? The only thing i hate is how she dragged it with the horcrux stuff in the middle and the deathly hallows bit too was gawd get on with it. The rest was amazing.

After re-read, what makes me dissappointed and I'll put it on several levels:

firstly that apparently chest monsters are a sign of true love and it is ok for a guy to p!ss off with his mates for a whole year and not see or talk to his girl at all. It's also apparently normal, after a life threatening battle has taken place, for a guy to by pass speaking to his true love and instead go in search of his mates and hang out with them instead.

secondly I am dissapointed with the way this was plotted. I always dismissed the idea of Harry as Horocrux or Snape as a good guy and in love with Lily cause I thought it was too... cr@p or cliche or expected... but apparently that's JKR's idea of a good story.

thirdly also in relation to the plot, why on earth would any writer interupt a major battle scene twice with lengthy scenes of exposition and backstory?? I just don't understand that. Why would Harry run off in the middle of the battle to spend an hour or so in Snape's pensieve? Also how is that Harry took the news that Snape had always been secretly in love with his mother so calmly? Many may disagree with me but I found that whole scene and the one with Dumbledore to be utterly out of place.

Harry needed the information he got from those scenes but only small parts of it really needed to be revealed at that point. Surely there could have been more build up so that by the time Snape died maybe his dying word being "lily" would have been all that was necessary for Harry to fit the peices together... and something similar could have been done with Dumbledore's scene.

The ending was the worst part of the story in my opinion and it didn't have anything to do with the shipping. As an HHr shipper, I may have lost but by the time I got to that point I felt what I've lost was not worth fighting for.

It wasn't as bad as HBP but it was certainly no where near as good as it could have been, like in book 1-5. btw, i just loved Harry's and Lupin's fight which is....very dramatic for me LOL and i changed my favourite character now >.< it's Neville!!! ;) he's the true hero~

[yahoosoda]

I loved the book! I read it the whole day straight yesterday and I couldn't put it down! I'm going for a second read today bu this time slower.



Most of the people that are disappointed with the book in many ways were preconditioned to be disappointed. I'm talking about the biggest shipper groups in HP, namely Harry x Hermionie and Draco x Ginny. I'll be honest, I never thought those groups were cannon at all. I read the reasoning behind those groups a long time ago and I always felt that it was more as a matter of preference rather than pausibility. JK had always been clear with the pairings as early as book 4. I also know tht some people hated the canon pairing because they didn't like Ron's character. Book 7 is something like a redepmtion of Ron...as well as several characters like Snape, Kreacher and Dumbledore.

The book ended the way I expected it to end. I had a very strong suspicion that Harry himself may be a horcrux due to Nagini being one. JK has also given so much thought on the 'scar' which is proof of the connection that binds Harry and Voldermort. Had it only been because of Lily's protection the uncanny abilities of Harry he shares with Voldermort would not have come as a reality. This also brings about something like a 'full circle' for both characters who had such similar childhoolds.

The redemption of Snape....I knew it! I never once believed that Snape was a bad character. His hatred for James is in more ways than one justified. Snape has always delievered in all the other books. He despised Harry so much for looking like his father but at the same time he couldn't just ignore him since he had the eyes of the woman he loved. I really feel for Snape, which has been one of the misunderstood characters (much like Ron) in Harry Potter. IMHO, had Snape not fallen for the influence of the Death Eaters in Slytherin, he had a stronger chance to be with Lily more than James. But then again if that happens there wouldn't be any Harry Potter.

Ron was also redeemed in this book. He did a lot of cowardly and stupid things such as deserting them in the middle of the book. But JK made one thing perfectly clear here, Ron's friendship is strong enough wherein he will always come back. JK has also been going about on how much of a troubled character Ron is thanks to his position in such a huge family of achievers. I can emphatize with Ron since someone I know is in the same position as him. It's hard for a person like him to gain confidence...but in the end he did it. And I am glad.

Another thing I liked is how Dumbledore is portrayed as a human more than Mr. Perfect. The flashbacks to his past also show us why he was drawn to people like Harry, Voldermort and Snape. All three shared a very troubled childhood and for his part Dumbledore wanted to help those people in a way that he was unable to help his sister when he was alive. There were people complaining why in the world did he do such a stupid thing with Marvolo's ring, that is explained with his family issues. And drinking the potion because he knew he was going to die anyway.

All in all, its a great ending IMHO. JK delievered in how I thought she would. Coming from someone who is neutral to the shipping groups here, I appreciated the epilogue. I agree with what happened, all these characters deserved a second chance in life and for me that was what the epilogue was portraying. Some people are laughing since its impossible for childhood sweethearts to end up together...well not in the case of people who have gone through a war together wherein the bonds formed are far to strong to break.

[yahoosoda]

Gah i read the book and tbh i loved it.

It ended just the way i imagined it. Everything was spot on. Sadly some didn't die that i wanted to but still. Some sad deaths the Lupins, I feel dead sorry for teddy. Though i aint suprised that both of them died it had to happen. Dumbledore gah he had it all sorted did the dude. Such a genius. And Sanpe gah hes ace but ugly. Seriously he was a brill man and i knew he would never be evil he had a link with dumby from Day 1 as i though. Fantastic J.K. The parings at the end god bless you J.K. perfect. Just they way i wanted it to end. So why do you people think it was bad wanna know? The only thing i hate is how she dragged it with the horcrux stuff in the middle and the deathly hallows bit too was gawd get on with it. The rest was amazing.


I think the Deathly Hollows were there to test if Harry will fall for the same temptation as Voldermort did with the Horcrux.

[yahoosoda]

read the spoilers and I have to say I found the fake ones better, I mean this is such a happy ending >.>

What's wrong with a happy ending? Those characters deserved it! There are very few books around that don't bother with a happy ending since its cliche. Well for me, I want a happy ending, no sense in adding more misery.

[ruukii]

Books one to five all share an amazing combination of ingenuity and creativity; definitely, 3 and 5 are my fav. This book and the one before it plainly sucks and are rampant with inconsistencies and bad life lessons to the already misguided teenagers out there in society today (i.e. Lust = Love and Abusive Spouses are alright for a marriage!). School literature? i don't think so for some certain content you know what i mean >.>

[Shannon]

Most of the people that are disappointed with the book in many ways were preconditioned to be disappointed. I'm talking about the biggest shipper groups in HP, namely Harry x Hermionie and Draco x Ginny. I'll be honest, I never thought those groups were cannon at all.

For reals? Draco x Ginny? Anyways, the epilogue did kinda disappoint me. Okay, not kinda. A lot. I wonder how many shippers did get disappointed, since the majority were all HHr fans. I'm not a HP shipper, but I feel a bit bad for those others that wanted it to happen. :hug

[ruukii]

oh yeah, did you guys realize that JKR still hasn't answered the question that always lingers around our mind since book 5? --> why there are some of the dead can be seen as ghosts while some are not? e.g Nearly Headless Nick and Moaning Myrtle for example. or have i missed out something? please enlighten me.

[Adam]

@ Yahoosoda: Nice summary of your thoughts after reading the book. I'm of a near-identical mindset, and it made me glad to see someone else really enjoyed the book.

I really enjoyed the suspense and constant air of danger in this book. Any happiness the survivors got at the end was well deserved, in my opinion.

In particular, I really liked the revelations about Dumbledore and seeing him portrayed in a more realistic light. Kind of funny how he received the most development in the series when he was dead. The truth about Snape was something I expected and I was glad to learn he wasn't the monster Harry believed him to be since book one.

As for romance, I am a fan of all the canon pairings but thought that Harry and Ginny's relationship should have received more development and focus. Nonetheless, who ends up with who was never what really mattered in the series (like, the fate of the world was), and I find it difficult to really criticize JKR in this regard when she did everything else so well, in my opinion.

oh yeah, did you guys realize that JKR still hasn't answered the question that always lingers around our mind since book 5? --> why there are some of the dead can be seen as ghosts while some are not? e.g Nearly Headless Nick and Moaning Myrtle for example. or have i missed out something? please enlighten me.

Because they aren't ready to "move on" to the next world, they get stuck in the living world as ghosts. I thought JKR explained this clearly.

[StarryInoueSky]

I got my pre-ordered book today and I'm happy! Sad thing is, I won't start reading it until tomorrow 'cause I'm too tired to start right now. (2:08AM) But I've read spoilers galore, so I know what's going to happen. ^^ Still, that doesn't kill the excitement! :D

[stifflersthedog]

I'm really enjoying it , but i'm dreading a Post Harry Depression (PHD) once i've finished ^_^

[ruukii]

Because they aren't ready to "move on" to the next world, they get stuck in the living world as ghosts. I thought JKR explained this clearly.


JKR has done many interviews and commentaries to answer questions and fill holes. She'll no doubt be doing more the rest of this year. The problem is, the author shouldn't be filling plot holes in interviews and commentaries.

[emoloz]

I think the Deathly Hollows were there to test if Harry will fall for the same temptation as Voldermort did with the Horcrux.




Yeah they were but the whole thing just dragged a little too much. It was a goo thing though to see if Harry could resist but it could have been a bit shorter and not dragged as much as it did like she could have thrown in a few more fights and stuff instead of oh were disapparating from one part to the next. Was a bit silly that.

One thing too was the Lupin's deaths because it didn't tell you exacatly how Dora and Remus died like fully it was just like there bodies were there. Was a bit miffed about that i wanted there deaths to be a bit more dramtic especially Lupin being Pals with James Potter. And Kreatcher i expected a bit more from him but his did play a good part.

I think she could have put more into the fight as well it seemed to rush about a bit too much. Like some full on Voldemort vs Harry fight at the end as a sorta a resistance then death. I guess she just wanted it to end.

[lainchan]

Just finished reading the book and I have to say I LOVED IT! I was very disillusioned after reading the 6th book so I was glad that this one redeemed it for me.

My highlight of the book was definitely Snapes chapter. I knew from the last book that it was Dumbledore wish for him too kill him but as the book was moving along I was beginning to have my doubts. His flashback chapter was so good and hes just skyrocketed to being my fav character.

I also really like how Dumbledore was portrayed as human with a less than perfect past.Neville getting his moment too shine; Kreacher and Luna were also great.

I have to admit I was a bit disappointed that none of the main 3 died. That makes me sound kind of evil but I was sort of waiting for it through the whole thing.
I wish there’d been a bit more of the ones who did die, Lupin especially, but I guess it was impossible with everything being from Harrys POV

The last chapter did feel horribly fanfic-ish(though I've never read a Harry Potter fanfic) but I liked that Harry acknowledges Snapes sacrifice in it <3

I had the advantage of not caring about pairings but I can understand why some people would dislike it because of who ended up with who. To be fair though, J.K was always going to be in a loosing situation with that whatever she did

[Nocturne]

Well my HP weekend is done. Watched the movie and read the book and consider me all Pottered out. I enjoyed both. Is it wrong to wish the book was a tad longer? Anyway, interesting revelations all around. 'nuff said.

[Adam]

JKR has done many interviews and commentaries to answer questions and fill holes. She'll no doubt be doing more the rest of this year. The problem is, the author shouldn't be filling plot holes in interviews and commentaries.


Uh, the answer to the "plothole" you wanted filled was answered in the books. When I said I thought JKR was pretty clear on why some characters become ghosts, I meant I thought she answered it quite clearly in the books.

And what kind of holes is JKR probably going to be filling in? Things like what the characters did after the book, which weren't relevant to the plot.

Is it wrong to wish the book was a tad longer?

Heh, no.

[Sergelia]

I'm currently writing an analysis on why I think the book was baaaad, and so far I've covered one of the points - I agree with Nocturne, this book should've been longer. It felt like JKR was trying to fit the most material into the tiniest package, and failed.

Seriously, this book was the most happening-filled, and it just felt weird to have important parts like
Voldemort's death just... carelessly brushed through. It was so unlike the other HP books.

But more on that in the entry... I'm just so frustrated by how good the plot was and by how badly it was executed.
In short, my entry will deal with how the writing did the plot no justice. ^__^

[Guildenstern]

SNAPE. SNAPESNAPESNAPESNAPE.

That is all.

[emoloz]

SNAPE. SNAPESNAPESNAPESNAPE.

That is all.

2 words.

GREAT MAN

[Sergelia]

I'll second the notion. <3 <3 <-fuckin'-3. Snape and Lily remind me of Renji and Rukia... only Renji didn't go 'round calling Rukia Mudblood nor hates Ichigo's guts, but still.


Anyway... finished my analysis, and though it isn't as good (nor as big) as I wanted it to be, it's still there, written. Haha. Posted it at potterforums (joined just to post it), and I'm pasting it here. OKAY! I know many people here loved the book and, re-reading it, I must say the plot, itself, wasn't bad at all. Sure enough some things were so predictable I knew they were coming from the beginning (I was seven when I first read HP, so that says something), but that doesn't lessen them IMO. But... why do I dislike the book so much, then?
I looked around, and flipped through books 1-6. I pondered.


...But I'll list some of the things that stung me the worst in it first, stung as I'm a girl who's loved Harry Potter since she was seven. I expected Deathly Hallows to be grand. I expected it to be unimaginably, incredibly touching and original as I'd hoped its out-of-Hogworts feel would give the main trio more freedom, not only in moving but in thinking; but I've been sourly disappointed.

POINT NUMBER ONE. The It's-All-Happening-To-Someone-Else feeling.
I pondered. Then I... realized that during last 11 years, in Rowling's mind Harry, Ron and Hermione more-or-less ran around Hogworts doing stuff, bickering, fighting with Malfoy, playing Quiddich, cramming for exams, falling in and out of love, and making friends and foes. Then, all of the sudden, they are living out in the wild alone, doing nothing, while the outside world is falling apart, while Luna is getting kidnapped, Tonks is having a baby, DA is being renewed, Snape is Headmaster...

As a reader, I have always loved Harry Potter because I felt so involved. I remember feeling half-disappointed no owls showed up at my 11th birthday, I remember being sad because Sirius died, I remember laughing like crazy at Fred and George's jokes. But with HP:DH, despite of everything that was "going on", I lived through nothing at all. It felt so alien, it felt so far-away from me - it didn't come alive through words like the other books did. It felt like I was half-reading Daily Prophet and half going through some mediocre bestseller. Despite of how corny this may sound, this book has lost its magic.

I mean, my all-time favorite characters are Fred&George, Ron&Hermione (yes, in pairs; they're not all too great when apart), Luna, and Snape. Yet... when Fred died, I felt nothing. I just flipped the page. Despite of Rowling's (failed) try at "The world stopped", it really didn't seem to me like it did. Everything just kept going. I knew they were mid-battle, I knew there was no time to cry over one fallen body when there were so many of them, but... still I couldn't help feeling completely disconnected from it all.

Dunno. Take it as you like. But it's just that so many things were said in this book, so many things were revealed, but thinking back - how many of them did we really see unfolding before our eyes? Where is the subtlety? The foreshadowing? Instead we get millions of different "sources", people telling the main character this or that happened. I didn't quite see Hermione destroy the Horcrux, did I? I didn't see Scrimdgeour die, I didn't see so many things. We kept being told how Luna, Neville and Ginny re-formed DA and did stuff, how Voldemort was taking over the wizarding world, how everything was slowly falling apart, but what we felt and lived through were 2-3 helpless, isolated teenagers raking their brains as to where could random objects be hidden.
= Not Good.


POINT NUMBER TWO - WHERE THE HELL IS CHARACTERIZATION?

From the start of the series, Hermione has been praised for her supreme intelligence, for her brilliance, and knowledge of many spells. She had excelled at non-verbal spells in the Halfblood Prince. She was the "voice of reason", or at the very least Harry and Ron's walking, portable encyclopaedia. And from the very beginning I expected her to shine - to truly shine and show off not only her brilliant character (Hermione RULES!) but her brilliance at wizardry.

Yet...

What happened to this girl? Had being outside the library for a year completely stripped her of her immense knowledge? Or had it been something else, like Ron parting ways with her and Harry, or sending her parents over to Australia (more on that later)? GIVE ME A BREAK. Hermione deserved better than this. She deserved to show her bravery and skill. I cannot believe I've defended her time and time again saying "Y'all see - she'll give the Death Eaters some trouble, Hermione will." and nodding wisely. But instead... Stunning spells? Shouting Protego (rather than n-vrb-ing it)? Hermione?

Ah, I get it. Her shining point was getting with Ron. JKR has been reading too many fanfics, I think, but one thing she got wrong; not all her fanbase cares about is shipping. I love RHr as much as the next person, but not everything I wanted to know about Hermione was answered with her hugging Ron, crying because of Ron, kissing Ron, bickering with Ron, having babies with Ron. Jesus. They're not an inseparable entity. Give them some space, for the love of god. Some people love them for their characters, not for the fact that they love each other.


POINT THREE - TOO MUCH MATERIAL, TOO TINY THE PACKAGE.

Now, I've always praised JKR for her writing ability. But this time I just got the feeling that she was overwhelmed - overwhelmed by the size, the magnificence of what she was trying to do. She's left too many questions unanswered, she's made so many characters that needed an ending, that at the end she left us all wishing that they haven't been neither answered nor ended. I'd much rather ponder about what happened to Percy than have him randomly and out-of-characterishly return and crack bad jokes in the midst of a battle. I'd much rather make up my mind on Harry's love of Ginny myself than repeatedly be reminded by Rowling that "Harry Looked At Her Name For Hours Every Day (rather than actually doing something meaningful) LoL."

So... I was left displeased with everything. I would bare not-knowing the answer to my questions better than having such bad answers to them all. I think this is best presented by the issue of deaths in this book, honestly.

Voldemort's death, for example, felt so weird. Dambledore's and Sirius's deaths just had so much more feeling than ANY death in DH - okay I get it, Harry is getting used to it so we should too... who cares. Voldy’s death has been anticipated for 7 BOOKS. It should’ve been more… impressive. More epic.

Dunno... I feel like JKR just couldn't keep up with the tempo of this book. There were SO MANY things to be said and SO MANY people to kill off, she just wasn't able to take it on.



Oh, I'd be lying if I said the book wasn't at least okay - up to some point. For example I really felt for Harry and Hermione during their lonely days. I really felt like wailing a bit when Riddle-Harry and Riddle-Hermione tortured Ron (poor Ronnie! Hermy loves you, get it inside your skull!) and the scene when Harry rummages through Luna's room and realizes Luna really hadn't been there for a long time was very moving for me (I half-expected Rowling to pull a "Luna Is Dead And Her Dad Has Gone Completely Insane Refusing To Believe In It". Luna is currently my number one favorite character, but still I'm sad JKR didn't go for it). But some things about it were just so shallow, so needless, so emotionless - that I'd rather have my memory of DH erased and just wonder. Imagining it, anticipating its glory, felt so much better than actually reading it.


Thanks for reading my rant o_O



Yay. Please don't get offended if you liked it - this is all just my point of view, and I really, really didn't like how Rowling went about this book.

*bows*

~sErG

[Tessa07]

Probably been said before, but:

I didn't like the ending. Too cliche and . . . sounded like some bad fanfiction turned canon. I think I actually found some parts funny (in the beginning of the story), but that may be my sick sense of humor. :p Also, I have to admit that none of the deaths made me cry like when Dumbledore and Sirius died. The only one I was close to crying for was Hedwig. XDDD

I loved the background on Snape, but to be honest the deaths didn't have the same emotional impact as Dumbledore's and Sirius's. I hated feeling indifferent about some scenes that should have been the most shocking and exciting to read.

Which is why this book FAILS in my opinion.

EDIT: And since I wrote the above before seeing Sergelia's post: I agree 100% with what you have said.

[Sergelia]

Ah, yes, the epilogue. >__< >__<

That stuff should've been left to a fanfiction. It's great to know Harry x Ginny and Ron x Hermione is canon as stone now, really, but... I-wanted-to-know-about-them, not their happy marriages. The only real character development it had was Albus's. I can tell, if he really joined Slytherin, he'd be my new favorite HP character. <3 It would add him some depth.

And seriously, I thought Rowling realised, by having the Neville-Harry-Ginny-Ron-Hermione hanged on Luna's wall, she was kinda supposed to say something about Luna in the end. I'm also surprised by how she once again pushed at Luna understanding Harry, at the very end, and still didn't make a slightest mention of her. Not fair.
NOT FAIR. I wanted to see more from her. >__< Luna x Dean was so random, that it solidified my opinion of Rowling giving into fanservice too much. Luna rocks even without being paired off. What is that woman thinking, that each and every remotely human being needs a boyfriend/soulmate/thing to be happy and whole? BWARH. And that's coming from a shipper. A young teenage girl shipper, at that.

[Adam]

Well, Sergelia, I don't agree with any of the major "flaws" you picked out.

The first and third points you make are basically the thing. I'm not even sure the first one is even well grounded, because Harry, Ron, and Hermione are disconnected from everyone else (meaning readers should feel the same) but nothing in the book made me feel like I was disconnected from the trio. And nothing in your post made me think you felt different, in that regard.

Your second point is basically whining about Hermione not doing enough and being the dream character you wished her to be. So what? In case you didn't notice, she never does anything major when everything is on the line throughout the entire series, as she's always been a sidekick for Harry. Furthermore, she's never shown herself to very good at applying what she learns to real problems (like in the first book), and, well, most of this book she encountered crises no one could really prepare themselves for. The whole non-verbal spells not being used is kind of silly, as almost nobody used any, and almost nobody uses them so that we, the readers, can know what the hell the characters are doing.

As for your third gripe, exactly how else is JKR supposed to fit all this content into the book? Not even mentioning the book needing to be about three times longer (and waiting three times longer), Harry's life being in mortal peril made it kind of difficult for him to interact with all these people and let readers get a first-hand look at the million things happening at once. Though, I will admit that more denouement would have been nice.

Really, it seems more like your problems stem from hyping up the book into something godly and the resulting disappointment that it wasn't. But, dislike the book if you want to, though I'll recommend against reading through the book again just to find flaws within it. Anyone who does so will only find faults and will deserve their resulting lack of enjoyment.

[Sequora]

Well, I've read through some of this and I hope that all of you don't mind me dropping by to give a bit of my own opinion.

I'm a little upset she didn't kill off the other main character. The book would have ended with a sad but beautiful note if she would have done it that way. And even though Harry is already immortalized in the book while alive, he would have been remembered better if, well, you know...That's just my opinion on the matter. You can agree or disagree. I just think that it's kinda lame to have ended it like that. Yes, it's a happy ending, but still.

[Syn]

I finished it yesterday, between two naps *is still sick*
There were a lot of things that I could guess, as usual, the pairings be no surprise to me as I guessed one in book 2 and the other one in book 5. I am not a shipper in HP, but it really jumped in my eyes, so I could hardly ignore them. Onto the spoilers now (imho, it was a good read).

People complain that they didn't have first hand information on a lot of things? I think it's perfectly normal.
First, on the first part when they're camping, it's natural to feel so disconnected. It proves that Rowling made a good job. Because the POV is always Harry's and, mind you, Harry feels disconnected from the world. It is not an easy task that he chose and he has to be apart of everything if he wanted to succeed. Yes, there are a lot of things that we don't know, but it's okay because it's how we're supposed to follow the book: through Harry's eyes. We can be angry at him (he more than often makes the worst decisions ever, he's sometimes someone we want to smash - I couldn't stand him in book 5 mind you), but in the end, it's always the story through his eyes and what he does and what he thinks. We are limited by his POV, as we always have been. How many people reminded the mirror before he found it in his bag, after Sirius' death? Not many, because we are narrowed to his POV and no one else's.
I personally liked when they were running and camping because I could *feel* how Hogwarts was missing and how disconnected from the world they were. And I was actually sorry for them, to go through this while they are only 17. If some parts were slow though, since the Gringotts theft, it sped up a lot.
About Snape: it was too obvious. Way too obvious, and I already knew from the start that he was a good guy in disguised. Rowling made a perfect job, because during 99.5% of the 7 books, Harry hates him to the core until he understands him. I wasn't shocked that he loved Lily (it was a high probability to me) and I think that the reason why it didn't shock Harry was because he understood that love isn't something you can control. I actually think that loving someone like he loves Ginny probably helped a lot and made him understand a lot of things Dumbledore explained to him (because he got better at these since book 6).
About the deaths: of course we don't see them as much as we would have liked. Fred dies in the middle of a battle, and I guess it's hard to feel it when people are still attacking you; well yeah, that's what happened with him. I first thought that Tonks and Lupin were to die, then it was said that Tonks was going to stay at her mother's place; so I thought wait, that means that only Lupin is going to die? And then she showed up and I knew their fate was sealed. I thought it was normal to not witness all the deaths, since Harry was kind of busy with the Horcruxes. And when there are so many, when the battle takes place in a so big castle, it only makes sense to see few from one POV. And even then, remember how Harry was touched by them (he couldn't cast his patronus anymore).
About Harry being an Horcrux: it was an idea that popped up in the last volume already, so it was predictable. It was, though, admirable from Harry to accept his death like this.
Some things that made me laugh: the 'kiss' between 'Harry' and 'Hermione' made me laugh, I have to admit it. Especially how Harry replied to Ron: "we're like brother and sister, I thought you knew that!" was kind of like Rowling saying to her fans 'stop pairing them FGS' XD That's how I felt XD
If I foresaw Harry/Ginny since book 5 (yeah, I did), I always felt it was rushed and badly written (even if all the clues in book 6 since how Harry reacted to Ginny in the train off to Hogwart up until when he spots her kissing her boyfriend). However, it was one of the greatest sacrifices that Harry had to make in book 7 (accepting to be away from Ginny) but I was glad to see that it wasn't because Harry had greater matters to attend that he forgot about her. I thought Harry/Ginny (from a non shipper point of view) was cuter in this book (you have to love how Ginny pushes Cho off Harry and tells Luna to bring Harry to the Ravenclaw's dormitory XD).
As for Ron/Hermione, nothing surprising, really. I saw it all over the serie, since book 2 up until the end. It was kind of normal that they were always together in book7 I think because in difficult situations you seek comfort from those you love the most. So yeah, nothing to say from that pairing.
About Voldemort's death: it was very well done. I always feared that Harry had to kill (because in the whole serie he doesn't kill) and taint his soul like this. But in the end, he didn't; because Voldemort killed himself with his own spell (because there were things he could not understand, despite his brilliant mind). It wasn't only a fight between Good and Evil, it was also a fight between two schools, one that accept love (the Malfoy being redeemed because of their love for their son!!!) and one that deny it. So it was important that the good side won without killing Voldemort (that's how I felt for the longest time so it's kind of like I imagined...). It's fast, yeah. And so? The killing spell is a killing spell. Voldemort was not going to die during 5 minutes -_-'
About the last chapter: well, it looked like Rowling made sure that people wouldn't do whatever they wanted with Harry. It is very clear that she loves him, that she loves Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione, that she wanted to be sure that people wouldn't go 'and thus, 5 years later, Voldemort came back and Harry must kill him'. It was good also that Harry aknowledged Snape as someone good and brave. It gives a good closure to the serie because it is something that the readers need, and because it is something that she did to protect Harry, Ginny, Ron and Hermione from popping in random books/whatever (I always felt that she wasn't careful enough with her rights on the names and it seems to me that it was the best way to protect her work). On a side note, Bill and Fleur's daughter's name made me chuckle a bit: Victoire means Victory in French (although it is an unusual name, it does exist). XD

To ruukii, about what you said in spoiler:
I feel it is normal when the heroes have a goal to achieve that they must pay a price (leave their lover is an example). So yeah, I could totally see Harry do that, even if it was difficult for him.
And it's normal that he spoke with Ron and Hermione first because they were with him all this time, fought by his side and deserved to know what happened first.
Beside, they only get separated for less than a year. No big deal >___> *does worst to her characters*

[Sergelia]

Me too, I felt HarryGinny was so forced in Half Blood Prince, and that made me dislike it - but it's fine now. I loved Ginny's idea for Harry's ideal "birthday present" xD :D You just knew Ron would jump into just when Harry was about to get some action. It was one thing missing in HP so far, and honestly I loved it. <3

One of the rare things I really liked about this book.

And Syn - I understand what you mean, but I disagree. It was Rowling's accomplishment as a writer to make us feel the disconnection between Harry & Co. and the rest of the world, but... come on, this is the Final BOOK! The big finale! Why experiment with her emotional connection with the readers now? And it really did seem like an experiment to me, to be honest. I didn't like it at all, even if I did understand the purpose.

Adam -
It's a given we eternally disagree on points 1 and 3 so i won't go into that, but as for the point 2 - I agree, it turned out to be whining about Hermione, but in all honesty it's how I feel about the majority of characters. She just served as my token example.
Dunno, I might've expected too much of this book - but it's a finale of a serial I've been following almost since learning how to read. It wouldn't have been normal if I didn't at least have some expectations.
But by all means, if you liked the book, that's great for you. Everything I pointed out is just my POV, which might be blurred or wrong, but it's how I feel.

Just my thoughts on this.
Serg

[Syn]

Yeah, but Harry couldn't go to Hogwart and seek the Horcruxes from here; he had to do something very far away from the other 6 books. I couldn't see him in Hogwarts for this very reason; he was also the most wanted wizard so basically all he could do was hiding.
It was the final book, so it had to be different ;)

[Sergelia]

Yeah, I suppose. Like I said earlier, I was mighty fine with the majority of the plot - I just disliked how it was all laid out before us.

Ahwell... I should keep my bitchin' to myself I suppose, or just stick to the token whining threads at PF.

[Syn]

Lol, don't, I think it's good to see others' opinions XD

[Adam]

Me too, I felt HarryGinny was so forced in Half Blood Prince, and that made me dislike it - but it's fine now.

Ah, I had deduced that Harry would jump Ginny so that pairing didn't feel forced to me, though I thought JKR should have developed it a lot more. Why hide Harry's feelings so well for three books? Most people didn’t get suspicious about Ginny (whom Mrs. Weasely fussed over the most) not happening to be one of the corpses the boggart appears as in Book Five like I did.

It was Rowling's accomplishment as a writer to make us feel the disconnection between Harry & Co. and the rest of the world, but... come on, this is the Final BOOK! The big finale! Why experiment with her emotional connection with the readers now? And it really did seem like an experiment to me, to be honest. I didn't like it at all, even if I did understand the purpose.

The connection between Harry and Voldemort was stronger than ever in this book, and I think that's much more important than his connection with the rest of the world. The whole book (and the whole series, really) built up to their final confrontation, not a battle between Harry and the world. As I said earlier (at least, I think I did), I didn't feel disconnected from Harry, himself, so I had no problems with this.

It's a given we eternally disagree on points 1 and 3 so i won't go into that, but as for the point 2 - I agree, it turned out to be whining about Hermione, but in all honesty it's how I feel about the majority of characters. She just served as my token example.

Go ahead and complain about the others then, because I'm curious if they're actually characterization faults. Your faults with Hermione's characterization seemed to me more like you got her characterization wrong than JKR (alas, I trust the author's view of the characters more than yours).

But by all means, if you liked the book, that's great for you. Everything I pointed out is just my POV, which might be blurred or wrong, but it's how I feel.

Nothing wrong with having an opinion of a book. I wouldn’t be able to have some fun disagreeing with you if you didn’t.

[Sergelia]

Your faults with Hermione's characterization seemed to me more like you got her characterization wrong than JKR (alas, I trust the author's view of the characters more than yours).
Lol xD Hermione is JKR's character, everything JKR writes about her is canon, so she cannot possibly "get her characterization wrong"; she makes the said characterization. I was just displeased with it, I didn't think she "got it wrong".

Am too tired right now to complain about *everyone*, but I'll hopefully make a LOOOONG list of character-whining by tomorrow. xD Will skip Harry though. I never really liked him that much, but in this book he's so... layered (that's not to say I'm not pleased with his character in DH, he was actually rather well done compared to some moments in previous books); it's above my analysis ability to dissect him. >__>

But I think I'll cover Ron, Dumbledore, Snape, Malfoy, and finally Voldemort (who died such a pathetic death my teeth are still grinding at the thought of it >___< EXPELIARMUS? Give me a break already.)

[ruukii]

hey Syn!!! ^__^ *wave wave* yeah, i'm sick too. it's almost a week now ~_~ coughs, flu, blehh. it ruins my days TT__TT


@Sergelia n Tessa: i agree with you both T^Tb
i love Hermione but book 7 makes me want to shake her "wake up!!!" --will the real Hermione please stand up?


please don't get me wrong. actually people are more likely to criticize something they love because they care so much about it. one of the wonderful things is that we are able to criticize or praise books as we see fit and that we don't have to just say what we're told to. i've enjoyed all the books and think JKR is a good writer but I am not so blinded by my love for the series that I can't see where it has it's faults and unfortunately this last book had a few more obvious ones than the others. it hasn't ruined the series for me, but I do think it could have been better. one good thing for sure: JKR humours are priceless X3~

@Adam: shame on me. maybe i need intensive class for Harry Potter books +__+

[Sergelia]

actually people are more likely to criticize something they love because they care so much about it. one of the wonderful things is that we are able to criticize or praise books as we see fit and that we don't have to just say what we're told to. i've enjoyed all the books and think JKR is a good writer but I am not so blinded by my love for the series that I can't see where it has it's faults and unfortunately this last book had a few more obvious ones than the others. it hasn't ruined the series for me, but I do think it could have been better.

Quoted For Truth.

Really I never expected this book to be as humorous or as light-hearted as some of the previous ones were, and I don't think she overdid it with the gloom. That was alright, and it even wasn't as dark as I expected it to be (though I'm not complaining). However, it must be very hard trying to write a book pleasing to an audience this large. So many age groups, so many interests to cover - it was as if she got lost in within. People say "OMG, calm down, these guys had 7 years of sadness and unfortunate happenings, give them a break" but... not everything is black-and-white. Evil never rests, or something. Didn't Dumbledore say that it was about constant fighting, that fighting evil was a never-ending battle? Mind you, I'm not saying Harry should've turned into a Warrior Of Justice, form a superhero team with Ron and Hermione and circle the world on brooms capturing criminals aka The Powerpuff Girls, but come on...
It's just, the contrast was so... blunt and disengaging. Where all those friends and brave men and women lay their lives on line for him, Harry...
'...turned away from the painted portraits, thinking now only of the four-poster bed lying waiting for him in Gryffindor Tower, and wondering whether Kreacher might bring him a sandwich there.'

Yay.:nuts Let's throw a party, shall we.

[Jaimie]

Wow, I loved the book. I know that there may have been some plotholes, mistakes, unforgivable writing, etc. that others will/have pointed out, but I can't care less 'cause it was one good freaking read for me.

A bunch of jumbled thoughts:

First off:
HEDWIG!!! :cry WTF, why the OWL?! :yell:yell

Anyway... Aside from The Prince's Tale, the most touching moments for me were Dobby's death and burial, and Kreacher warming up to Harry and his friends. I've always despised Kreacher, so this unexpected yet reasonable change was very welcome. My favorite line of his would be (quoting from memory), "'Just one more, Master Harry, for good luck?'" And of course his leading the house elves of Hogwarts to battle. Aww. :hug

I wonder whatever happened to Crookshanks? Must have moved to Australia with Hermione's parents (which, by the way, had me bawling. Poor Hermione! The line that really got me was, "'They don't know they have a daughter, you see.'" :cry). I also wonder whatever happened to the Potters' cat...? Hmm.

Snape/Lily. I've never had a Harry Potter OTP before, but after this book, they would be it. I don't believe that Snape and Lily are a good match, seeing as Snape lacks any sort of tact and Lily would never have been able to understand/accept his fascination with the Dark Arts. Still, I admire the friendship that began when they were children, and his affection for her despite her Muggle heritage. I love how hard she tried to keep that friendship despite their differences. And, of course, I love his utter devotion and loyalty to her til the very end. T-T So sad, I was so sad when I realized that he told Harry to look at him as he died so that he could see Lily's eyes one last time. *bawls* :cry

Dumbledore telling him, "'Sometimes I think we sort too soon.'" And Snape looking stricken. :cry GAH. Okay, I'll stop.

I thought the epilogue was dumb. :p It was one of the few glaring problems I had with the book.

I also thought something... more was going to happen with the Houses. I thought they would be united somehow. I was disappointed to see that nothing really changed with Slytherin. There were none of them helping to fight at the final battle. Confusing and disappointing.

[Adam]

Lol xD Hermione is JKR's character, everything JKR writes about her is canon, so she cannot possibly "get her characterization wrong"; she makes the said characterization. I was just displeased with it, I didn't think she "got it wrong".

Ha, yeah she can. Too many inconsistencies within a character’s personality, contradicting earlier mentioned facts could be considered “faulty” characterization.

But don’t get what I said wrong; it wasn’t my intended insinuation that you thought JKR “got it wrong.” I was implying that you did.

(who died such a pathetic death my teeth are still grinding at the thought of it >___< EXPELIARMUS? Give me a break already.)

His own Avada Kedavra spell killed him, not the Expelliarmus. It was literally all his own flaws coming back to him and being his undoing. It was Voldemort’s character crumbling before Harry’s superior integrity.

i love Hermione but book 7 makes me want to shake her "wake up!!!" --will the real Hermione please stand up?

Maybe she did. But don’t worry about it; I’m sure the people who write the Potter screenplays

please don't get me wrong. actually people are more likely to criticize something they love because they care so much about it. one of the wonderful things is that we are able to criticize or praise books as we see fit and that we don't have to just say what we're told to. i've enjoyed all the books and think JKR is a good writer but I am not so blinded by my love for the series that I can't see where it has it's faults and unfortunately this last book had a few more obvious ones than the others. it hasn't ruined the series for me, but I do think it could have been better.

No, people are most likely to criticize something they hate, or dislike. Love and hate are the two sides of the coin of passion, after all. Notice how everyone here criticizing the book the most dislike it?


It's just, the contrast was so... blunt and disengaging. Where all those friends and brave men and women lay their lives on line for him, Harry...
'...turned away from the painted portraits, thinking now only of the four-poster bed lying waiting for him in Gryffindor Tower, and wondering whether Kreacher might bring him a sandwich there.'

Yay.:nuts Let's throw a party, shall we.

Quote from two pages earlier:

”Happiness would come, Harry thought, but at the moment it was muffled by exhaustion, and the pain of losing Fred and Lupin and Tonks pierced him like a physical wound every few steps.”

I noticed you said that you read the book in about four hours. Maybe you read it too fast and missed a few passages.

I also thought something... more was going to happen with the Houses. I thought they would be united somehow. I was disappointed to see that nothing really changed with Slytherin. There were none of them helping to fight at the final battle. Confusing and disappointing.

Most of the Slytherins were the first to leave Hogwarts, and about the only ones that remained were essentially antagonists. Hey, at least Slughorn stayed with the good guys, and Mr. Slytherin Snape turned out to be a good guy.

[Sergelia]

”Happiness would come, Harry thought, but at the moment it was muffled by exhaustion, and the pain of losing Fred and Lupin and Tonks pierced him like a physical wound every few steps.”

I noticed you said that you read the book in about four hours. Maybe you read it too fast and missed a few passages.

Nnnhm, no I didn't. I actually remember that passage fairly well as it was the one I re-read four times, trying to figure out what I found so bothersome about it the first time I read it. And then it hit me; it was the "Narrator Is Trying To Convince Us" machinery in use all over again.

Really... just like the feeble "The world has stopped" after Fred's death, this felt as if Rowling was trying to "defend" her characters. Like she was repeatedly telling us "Oh! It's not that they don't care! Look, I'll throw in 1-2 sentences about just how hurt they are by those deaths, and that will have you convinced, RIGHT?"

It just didn't feel enough. She said "it pierced him like a physical wound" but... for whatever reason, I didn't quite feel his pain, to be honest. So very much unlike how I was always able to empathize with Harry, to identify myself with what he was feeling. When Dumbledore went down at the end of book six, I felt the horror. This wasn't the case in the end of book seven, and I scarcely think it's because I've grown out of the books or lost my connection with the characters.


But don’t get what I said wrong; it wasn’t my intended insinuation that you thought JKR “got it wrong.” I was implying that you did.
Erm... okay then. :rolleyes: Could be the case. We'll see, anyway; I'm really curious as to what Rowling will say about Hermione in the upcoming interviews.

His own Avada Kedavra spell killed him, not the Expelliarmus. It was literally all his own flaws coming back to him and being his undoing.
I understand all that, and I wasn't saying Expelliarmus killed him in the first place, I was just frustrated that Harry actually used that spell against Voldemort - again. Like many readers, I felt it really lacking how Rowling chose to spare Harry of having to kill someone. He effectively used Cruciatus, which in my mind has always been marked as the ultimate worst of the Unforgivable-s, yet she chooses to save him for "bloodying up" his precious hands. Ah well, I liked the idea of Voldemort's wrong-doings getting back at him; I just expected his death to be more out-of-ordinary, and less influenced by the "LoLz I've got a better wand than you do! OWNZORS!" factor. It felt just... well, ridiculous.

It was Voldemort’s character crumbling before Harry’s superior integrity.
The said crumble was so... disappointing, but I suppose it's what she wanted to achieve. Nonetheless, I'd have liked it more if the crumbling was more gradual and spread over several books, rather than beginning in the final one.


No, people are most likely to criticize something they hate, or dislike. Love and hate are the two sides of the coin of passion, after all. Notice how everyone here criticizing the book the most dislike it?

I'm pretty sure ruukii meant "people who like Harry Potter" in general, not people who like Deathly Hallows. I love and have always loved the HP series, however I'm utterly offended by the seventh book.
You think I'd be in this thread, fuming up so much, if I never liked Harry Potter in the first place? You think anyone who hated HP would really care about whether this book in particular has fulfilled their expectations? The fact that I had any expectations to begin with speaks enough in itself; I'm a disappointed fan, not a hater.

[stifflersthedog]

I personally LOVED IT , but i guess i'm just a sucker for a happy ending
:rolleyes:
This story was more about the quest and the mystery than about the action, i can see were ppl query the lack of kick ass spells but that was order of the phoenix. This time Rowling seeks to explain all the mysteries that are unsolved (pretty much what it says in the cover >.>).

So ya a fitting end to an obsession, i actually dont feel the loss or the need for more, i'm completly satisfied. Which to me means the author did a good job.

[Tomodachi69]

Just finished it today (whoo 2 days xP) and I thought it was pretty good :] A satisfactory ending to the HP series. The ending was a little confusing to me, though, the "Draco = Elder Wand owner" part. Maybe someone here could explain? XP

[NeoSapien]

Just finished it today (whoo 2 days xP) and I thought it was pretty good :] A satisfactory ending to the HP series. The ending was a little confusing to me, though, the "Draco = Elder Wand owner" part. Maybe someone here could explain? XP

Draco Disarmed Dumbledore towards the end of book 6, making Draco the owner of the Elder Wand. This passed to Harry when he took Draco's own wand in the Malfoy Manor chapter.

[Tomodachi69]

Draco Disarmed Dumbledore towards the end of book 6, making Draco the owner of the Elder Wand. This passed to Harry when he took Draco's own wand in the Malfoy Manor chapter.

Ohhhh, okay. lol, I thought to myself after reading the first 2 chapters, "I should really read the last book again so I'm not as confused", and it turns out that that would've really helped lol.

[Tessa07]

Here is my question:

Where did Neville get the Gryffindor sword from? I thought it had been taken by Griphook? :confused:

[NeoSapien]

Here is my question:

Where did Neville get the Gryffindor sword from? I thought it had been taken by Griphook? :confused:

He pulled it out of the Sorting Hat, which can apparently summon the sword of Gryffindor from anywhere on Earth to aid a true Gryffindor wearing the hat. Harry did so in CoS to kill the basilisk.

[Tessa07]

He pulled it out of the Sorting Hat, which can apparently summon the sword of Gryffindor from anywhere on Earth to aid a true Gryffindor wearing the hat. Harry did so in CoS to kill the basilisk.

Thanks!! :)

[Adam]

So very much unlike how I was always able to empathize with Harry, to identify myself with what he was feeling. When Dumbledore went down at the end of book six, I felt the horror. This wasn't the case in the end of book seven, and I scarcely think it's because I've grown out of the books or lost my connection with the characters.

Harry was going around like he was shell-shocked from all the trauma he’d experienced. Shell-shocked people don’t walk around like they’re horrified. Nonetheless, I think this is one of your more valid points, as I thought the book could have used more denouement. Like, shouldn’t Harry feel a bit more elation from saving the world; he acted happier after winning Quidditch games earlier in the series. And, yes, a bit more sadness for those lost would have been appreciated.

Yet, no one really important to Harry died in this book (Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Hagrid), so I'm not exactly sure why you expected him to react as strongly to Fred's death and others when Sirius and Dumbledore were more important to Harry.

I understand all that, and I wasn't saying Expelliarmus killed him in the first place, I was just frustrated that Harry actually used that spell against Voldemort - again. Like many readers, I felt it really lacking how Rowling chose to spare Harry of having to kill someone. He effectively used Cruciatus, which in my mind has always been marked as the ultimate worst of the Unforgivable-s, yet she chooses to save him for "bloodying up" his precious hands.

Think about this: Harry killed Voldemort. It was Voldemort’s flaws coming back at him, but that doesn’t change the fact that Harry is the one responsible for this.

The said crumble was so... disappointing, but I suppose it's what she wanted to achieve. Nonetheless, I'd have liked it more if the crumbling was more gradual and spread over several books, rather than beginning in the final one.

He got hit by a death spell; he’s not going to be writhing in pain for a couple of books. Furthermore, his flaws have been mentioned and discussed by the characters since the first book. The duel was just the culmination of all those books.

I'm pretty sure ruukii meant "people who like Harry Potter" in general, not people who like Deathly Hallows. I love and have always loved the HP series, however I'm utterly offended by the seventh book.

You’re complaining about this book, in particular, which you’ve said you don’t like (perhaps hate is the better word), not the rest of the series which you’ve said you do like.

[ruukii]

I'm pretty sure ruukii meant "people who like Harry Potter" in general, not people who like Deathly Hallows. I love and have always loved the HP series, however I'm utterly offended by the seventh book.
You think I'd be in this thread, fuming up so much, if I never liked Harry Potter in the first place? You think anyone who hated HP would really care about whether this book in particular has fulfilled their expectations? The fact that I had any expectations to begin with speaks enough in itself; I'm a disappointed fan, not a hater.

I'm glad that you got my point there and we both are sharing the same thought :cry




You’re complaining about this book, in particular, which you’ve said you don’t like (perhaps hate is the better word), not the rest of the series which you’ve said you do like.

For me, hate is such a strong word and if i really hate this book, I will not read it for the thrice times now (going for the fourth). Yes, I'm complaining much about this particular book because as a fan, I'm dissappointed with the way it written; maybe I put my highest expectation for the last one.

[Sora Chan]

Ahh personally I was disappointed by the book. No where as good as the others, though I cried more in this one then the others. Don't know how to put spoilers, but 5 of my favorite characters died. :cry "cry :cry
I didn't like the epilogue either. Ok they got married. I would much have rather heard about a certain headmasters funeral, about what happens to Teddy Lupin :cry even though they mention him in the end. I would like to have seen more of the Lily snape relationship as well. However I did like her introduction of Aberforth and the characterization of Luna. God I love that girl. I would love to say more, but I don't want to spoil and seeing as I don't know how to put spoilers.

[Sergelia]

Spoilers... mmm. I put them like this:

[ SPOILER = " " ] /whatever you want to say/ [ / SPOILER ]

Just without all the spaces. ^__^


BTW, do you guys expect Rowling to say more about other character's futures in her upcoming "Potter encyclopedia"? I sure do hope so, because I need to know. >__<

[Sora Chan]

Lupin and Tonks death was completely tragic. Same goes for Dobby and Fred. *Sniffles* I would to have seen more of Snape as well
As for the encyclopedia, I would also like to learn more about the other characters future. To be honest I didn't give two shakes that hermoine and ron and harry and Ginny got married.

[Sergelia]

XD It was a given anyway, we all knew they would by the end of book 7 - so I didn't see the need for putting an emphasis on it. And I was somewhat annoyed by Ginny's "OH I HOPE THEY GET MARRIED LOL", about Teddy and Victoire. What, cannot people just go out? Obviously if you get a boyfriend by the time you're seventeen, it's a closed deal and you must marry him pronto. >.< Bhaw.

I felt some of those deaths were... needless, so to say. Surely enough it's a war, but they just felt like counting-the-bodies, not like people-actually-dying.

However... Dobby's death was SO SAD. My heart broke for the little guy. :cry Dobby!

[emoloz]

Lupin and Tonks death was completely tragic. Same goes for Dobby and Fred. *Sniffles* I would to have seen more of Snape as well


I know i was so devistated by there deaths. Poor Teddy. And Lupins one of my fav Characthers and now hes dead >.<. I so felt for Teddy when they died. Though was it just me or did i feel that there Death wasn't full explained appart from they died saving everyone. I was ashamed she didn't put some huge funeral as well in the end for them all. I think that would have got me crying.

My friend bawled and the whole book and has been in pieces all weekend about the book. Bless her shes a bit too obsessed with the Potter books. Honestly she leaped to get the book from the box was Hilarious.

[Wolfii]

Hiya, you lot! I missed you all! :glomp

So... back to topic. HP7 finishede... and it could be a LITTLE tad better. But to the hall with that, it was simply great!
And R/He ship FTW! ;+)

[Agmaster]

So I'm at chapter...thirty something. Not a real spoiler. You won't get the reference unless you read the book.

[Saffire]

I liked the book, but I'm not sure I love it, per se.The whole "let's wander around in the forest for several months while we get the emo out of our system" became irritating after a while.

Lupin and Tonks's deaths felt unnecessary to me. She just sort of killed them off without any real fanfare or explanation. It wasn't nearly as impactful as any of the others, which I think is a disservice to them.

The defeat of Voldemort was well done, I think. It's neat in a way that, because of everything that had happened up to that point, Voldemort had absolutely zero chance of winning.

The whole "Harry in the not-quite-afterlife" scene had me wondering. "So, is he going to choose Instrumentality or not?" (hint: Evangelion)

[Sergelia]

Lupin and Tonks's deaths felt unnecessary to me. She just sort of killed them off without any real fanfare or explanation. It wasn't nearly as impactful as any of the others, which I think is a disservice to them.

I think they were there for the Harry-Teddy parallel. Which is lame IMO, 'cuz what, she's just gonna make him The Second, Happier Version of Harry Potter? -__- I just wish we knew who killed them...

You know, seeing as she officially confirmed that there's gonna be the official encyclopedia discovering more about each and every character (ie, Dean Thomas and such) I'm slowly starting to think she wrote such a lame epilogue so more people would buy the encyclopedia to see what happened to the rest of characters. Is stupid, but makes sense in a way.

The whole "Harry in the not-quite-afterlife" scene had me wondering. "So, is he going to choose Instrumentality or not?" (hint: Evangelion)

Only instead of Rei he had Dumbledore... :rotflmao

[Agmaster]

And by spoiler I mean....Elder wand == Magenkyou sharingan. And I'm happy Ron got with Herm. Harry and her really don't mix. While JKR was bad at writing their relationship in this book, it screams no romance throughout the other 6. Besides, Harry can't have all the luck and now they're one big happy family. Come on now, kids. Miles away, miles away.

[Adam]

I liked the book, but I'm not sure I love it, per se.
Lupin and Tonks's deaths felt unnecessary to me. She just sort of killed them off without any real fanfare or explanation. It wasn't nearly as impactful as any of the others, which I think is a disservice to them.

Well, JKR said in an interview (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19935372/) that she couldn't bear to kill Mr. Weasley, and it seems Lupin may have got the axe in his place.

I'm slowly starting to think she wrote such a lame epilogue so more people would buy the encyclopedia to see what happened to the rest of characters. Is stupid, but makes sense in a way

Maybe. Seeing as how her previous two books of Pottermania had all profits donated to charity (and there’s a good chance that this one will, too), and that people are already guaranteed to buy it, I wouldn’t say she did it for this reason.

[Sergelia]

Maybe. Seeing as how her previous two books of Pottermania had all profits donated to charity (and there’s a good chance that this one will, too), and that people are already guaranteed to buy it, I wouldn’t say she did it for this reason.

Well I do know she doesn't /need/ to do it, but she's got a contract signed with her publisher. Maybe - just maybe! - they're not as selfless as she is. *hint*

Because let's face it, she's not the only one getting the moneyZ in that story.

[Kibou_chin]

A few things I have to say ;_;
I found that there were so many unnecesary deaths. I mean take Hedwig, Lupin, Tonks and even Colin(the kid wasnt even mentioned in the whole situation until his death). Also a friend of mine said that he thought the ending was bad and that the epilogue was like a horribly made fanfiction. I had to agree with him on that. The epilogue really WAS like a bad made fanfiction. It wasnt really that bad, but I was expecting a little bit more.
And Fred, why kill Fred, I mean Percy and him were having a peaceful talk and sudenly BAM he's dead. ;_; I was frustrating about George's ear but after Fred's death I nearly sophocated.

[Adam]

Well I do know she doesn't /need/ to do it, but she's got a contract signed with her publisher. Maybe - just maybe! - they're not as selfless as she is. *hint*

Because let's face it, she's not the only one getting the moneyZ in that story.

Do you actually think this encyclopedia would be long, as expensive as the previous books, or sell as many copies as the real Potter books?

In any case, do you seriously believe JKR would write a “crappier” ending so some publishers could get some more money?

I found that there were so many unnecesary deaths.

That’s how things tend to be in wars. Lots of unnecessary deaths.

[Mei]

Yesterday I finished reading the book (I didn´t hurry through the book and took my time, just because it´s the last book of the series; I wanted to enjoy reading every page ^_^)

But I have a question regarding the end of the book:

Neville, after Voldemort put on the Sorting Hat
on his head, could free himself and pulled a sword with a silver blade
and rubied hilt out of the Hat => is this meant to be the Sword of
Griffindor? I thought this one goblin Griphook (or whatever) now
posseses the sword. :headscratch

The whole book:

I really enjoyed reading it, it was great!
I loved the ending, even if Voldemort somewhat seemed
to be.....dumb at the end, but I feared that there might
be more deaths, though I feel really sad for Fred, Tonks,
Lupin, Hedwig, Dobby and Colin ;_;
But somehow I think it could have been worse: just imagine
Mrs Weasley died duelling Bellatrix (I hate this b!tch :yell
=> killing Neville`s parents, Sirius ( ;_; ) and Dobby) or
Hagrid died while captured by the Death Eaters/ giants! :eek:

One thing though: if it hadn´t been Narcissa, who was ordered by Voldemort to look after a supposed dead Harry and proclaimed that he was dead; if it just had been another Death Eater who´d not have lied, then....well, then we´d not have a chapter: "19 years later" and the last sentence "all was well".

[Syn]

For your question, MeiYara:

Yes, it is the Gryffindor sword. What the goblin thought was of no importance and the sorting hat always gives the sword to a Gryffindor who needs it and merits it.

[Mei]

Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me, Syn! ^_^

I forgot this little detail about the Hat ^^;
and thought this´d be kinda strange (Ron and Hermione could
have searched for the Hat as well in order to find a tool to
destroy the Horcruxes; instead they used the fangs of the Basilisk
(Chamber of Secrets)).

Um, I´ve another question:

What was the chapter "King´s Cross" meant for?
Was that really Dumbledore in Harry´s head?
I mean, it must have been him, because he explained
lots of things to Harry.
And who was the whimpering baby? (= Voldemort?)

For the chapter "19 years later":
I loved to get to know that Harry married Ginny
(that they have 3 kids (not one of them is called
Sirius though (maybe James´second prename?)))
and that Ron and Hermione married as well,
that Harry looks after Teddy and that their kids
are going to Hogwarts! =D
But I was a bit disappointed that Rowling didn´t
explain what jobs Harry, Ron and Hermione attend
and who´s the new head of Hogwarts.
Where they live, what they´re doing now and what happened
in this 19 years. What happened with Voldemort´s body?

Mhm, if Rowling wanted to she could make a sequel
with their children as protagonists XD
I doubt that there´re no wizards/ witches left,
who do not think that pure-bloods are better than
"mud-bloods"...

[Who]

Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me, Syn! ^_^

I forgot this little detail about the Hat ^^;
and thought this´d be kinda strange (Ron and Hermione could
have searched for the Hat as well in order to find a tool to
destroy the Horcruxes; instead they used the fangs of the Basilisk
(Chamber of Secrets)).

Um, I´ve another question:

What was the chapter "King´s Cross" meant for?
Was that really Dumbledore in Harry´s head?
I mean, it must have been him, because he explained
lots of things to Harry.
And who was the whimpering baby? (= Voldemort?)

For the chapter "19 years later":
I loved to get to know that Harry married Ginny
(that they have 3 kids (not one of them is called
Sirius though (maybe James´second prename?)))
and that Ron and Hermione married as well,
that Harry looks after Teddy and that their kids
are going to Hogwarts! =D
But I was a bit disappointed that Rowling didn´t
explain what jobs Harry, Ron and Hermione attend
and who´s the new head of Hogwarts.
Where they live, what they´re doing now and what happened
in this 19 years. What happened with Voldemort´s body?

Mhm, if Rowling wanted to she could make a sequel
with their children as protagonists XD
I doubt that there´re no wizards/ witches left,
who do not think that pure-bloods are better than
"mud-bloods"...


To answer some of your questions Mei The King's Cross thing is a bit iffy, but the baby is the horcrox that was inside Harry. We know that much. As for making any kind of sequel to the Potter series, Rowling has already stated in mutiple interviews she won't do anything, including based off the epilogue. She said she will turn her attention to new things, so we'll just have to hope those new things are as captivating as Harry Potter.

[Mei]

Thank you for your answer, Who!
I understand now the purpose of the baby! ^^

And it´s great that Rowling wants to write probably a new series; I´d really welcome this idea, because I hoped that she´d not quit her profession and lean back after the massive success of HP, but creates more exciting stories for her fans! :)

[Who]

You have to remember, she is still young for an author. She could lean back on her HP money, but why do that when she could keep writing (which she loves), and many of her adoring fans would pick up her next book anyway?

[Mei]

You have to remember, she is still young for an author. She could lean back on her HP money, but why do that when she could keep writing (when she loves), and many of her adoring fans would pick up her next book anyway?

Yeah, you´re absolutely right!
I just thought that she´ll take a break (who wouldn´t take a break after 17 years of Potter mania?) and due to her status as one of the richest women in the world, she wouldn´t need to write any more, though this´d really be a great loss (she´s 3 children and is married, right? Maybe she just wants to be there f