character alignment

[Shdo]

first, why is there a thread about this? just an idea i had, feel free to trash it if you think its a bad idea, it goes like this, i thought about the classic RPG alignment model and thought how it will work in this RPG (i am really intrested in all the good and evil thing and how sides are not clear in the real world)

beside it might be helpful to make some characters more clear and to expand on some characters Bio.

ill first explain the diffrent alignment (i didnt really got them until recently) and then analyze my chara's


first, there are 2 catagories: how do you see good and evil and how do you see order and chaos. on each of those there are 3 options and that create 9 classes to chose from.


lawful good- this is a person who dedicate his life to do good things, help the weak and uphold justice, but they do that only under the banner of law. meaning that if something is wrong but protected by rules then the character wont do much (i got no idea who can be here)

neutral good- that is the regular good guy, work with the law only as a instrument to do good. that means they will bend the rules if needed (ichigo and co can be here and i guess several characters in the RP will be here)

chaotic good- a robin hood, believe that doing good is above everything including law. actually they think that laws are stupid and only encourage dictatorship (lawful evil). (i guess that seth can go here, but he dosnt strike me as good)

lawful neutral- that is where most people are, a regular person, that means that the person wont dedicate his life to do good or bad things. charity there and been a asshole there makes him balanced and the lawful part mean he follow the law.

neutral- that is confusing, its simply being the center of everything. i tend to shove here what i cant put anywhere else (Ezzo).

chaotic neutral- the worst kind of character, only because its a person that will do anything that serves them. their only concern is them, without concederation of law or morality. not evil but not good, simply do what is good for them. what makes them worse then the evil ones is that they dont give a damn about law (as the first lesser evil) and unlike the last chaotic evil, you dont know when they will backstab you.

lawful evil- evil in intentions but following the rules, be it tradition or conduct of honor. its like a mean ruler who give high taxes. evil but at least under restraint.

neutral evil- the opposite of the neutral good, meaning that they dedicate their life to hurt people and will use the law as much as they can while bending it here and there. (aizen?)

chaotic evil- worst kind of badguy, will betray everyone. those characters should be expected to kill everyone that follow them.


so here we go:

Lana- that is easy, she is chaotic neutral. while she dosnt really want to hurt people for the sake of hurting, she will do it in order to feel good about her crappy life. she might help someone if she likes them and hurt another if she dont. and of course she dont give a damn about law (i think rayne goes into this catagory as well).

the qains- chaotic evil, neutral evil at best. sociopaths.

Ja'eq- lawful evil. i have no doubt that Ja'eq is somewhere on the border between lawful neutral and lawful evil, but the overly eerie and sometimes sinister line of thought is clearly heading towards evil. while he will hurt someone (he finds the moment of death beautiful) he will not go out of control and still belive in laws, he will follow his promises and will hold his honor.
i hope to move him into lawful neutral as time progress.

Ezzo- frankly this is a though one. as i tried to make him as alien as possiable, i cant let him to be tied by good and evil or law and chaos.
this character only do what he find right, he plays a game of being a shinigami but at the same time he plays hundreds of other games with his 'fingers' throughout the world. in the end he simply goes with the flow of events and with the now without thinking of the if and future.
neutral.


that made me feel so nerdy :oops ...on a side note i dont play pen and paper RPG's only computer ones, graphics good...:smug

[Kolbertt]

As a massive character freak, I LOVE threads (Or anywhere, blah) I can talk about my characters:fu

Azul - Azul is highly damaged by her past. Both her last recolections from her life, as well as her early Hollow life have created in her a rather problematic conflict...

She is highly distrustful of people. But at the same time, she's afraid to be alone. As such, she'll stay alone for extended periods of time, in which she'll be both sleep deprived and hungry (Since she fears the boost in power she has seen in many creatures, she dodges contact with everything) - Now that she's seen the power of others, she's found in it, part of the comfort she was looking for, as well as protection from others. Her goal, ATM, is to please strong people in exchange for protection, until she is strong enough to survive on her own... She'll follow the rules of those she considers worthy, fearing reprimend or punishment, she'll undoubtfully go to hell and back if her "Guard" promises her protection. In a sense, she's a "Lawful Neutral" - She follows "Rules", but since that can be any kind of rule, she cannot be considered either good nor bad. Since her personality has de-evolved into a mindless coward looking for help, I cannot really place her into a Good or Bad, nor do I see her going against her protector (Unless she DOES find a better one, but since she's fearful of other people, that may take quiet a while) - Her character is still developing, but since I lack the time (And will:fu) to continue her story... It may take a while ;)

@Arielle - Arielle is, without a doubt, a "Chaotic Good" character. She goes on her own rules and does what she wants. While she tries to keep stoic and uncaring attitude, this is just a facade. Unlike Azul, she is not afraid of people, but rather is "Uninterested" in them. For Arielle, a person is either "Interesting" or "Inteligent" - Interesting means anything that calls her attention. Be it a prostitute, a shining dog, or simply a bittersweet sandwhich. Inteligent is everyone else she still talks to, since she sees "Inteligence" as the highest attribute ever, only inteligent people are allowed to talk to her. But of course, she'll find twists and loop holes to add even the most stupid thing into her "Inteligent" list if she likes him/her/it enough. Her umbrella is the exception, since it doesn't really fit into any of her two cathegories... But Arielle's obsession with her umbrella, and her powers, will be most developed later on ;o

Also, since I've got more freedom with my characters in the RW, her character may develop faster than Azul ;)


^^ - Oh GAWD!!:devestated - Massive wall o' text :flirt:flirt

[Hiraeth]

Shdo this was a really nice idea for a thread.

Ren - I had a lot of trouble working this out, but I figure that the easiest way to work it out would be to consider how she'd respond to a situation. Does she follow laws? Yes, but only when they suit her purposes. So in terms of chaotic or lawful, I think she's neutral. As for good or evil, I think, honestly she'd probably be angled towards the evil side of it. Ren works towards what she percieves to be the greater good, and she will do whatever she believes is required to achieve that goal. She's not completely random, and she's not going to go nuts and murder people, but I think while her eventual goals may be noble, the means by which she will go about achieving them could be considered evil. So, neutral evil.

Durante - He is also quite hard to pinpoint, because while his intentions aren't evil, he did eat people for a long time, and now that he's not eating people he still enjoys killing them. I think he's probably chaotic evil. He's got no loyalty to anything except his own goals, which aren't exactly of the bright and happy variety. His childlike personality adds to the chaotic side of his character.

Philippe - He is lawful neutral. He feels obligated to obey a moral code and work in line with the laws of society, however his nature prevents himself from being lawful good.

Stern - True neutral, he will obey Philippe's orders unquestioningly.

Kiku - Chaotic good. She works towards the good of the world, but as her own moral compass dictates, rather than obeying the rules that society sets down.

[Shdo]

if he is always following phillip orders i think that makes him lawful something because unquestionable loyelty surly fall in lawful (since its include honor and tradition)
true natural is tricky...i always associate it with druids and other tree huggers who simply act like an animal (no G vs E or O vs C)

clarification begins:

as for chaotic evil characters. this is a problem, since i dont think this really exist, since its goes into the stupid evil class (do everything that is evil even if its stupid)
a chaotic evil is destruction incarnate, its pure killing instinct for the sake OF killing (where ja'eq wish to be, or rather chaotic neutral). chaotic evil characters when in a team with other chaotic evil, will stay and work as a team as long as one of them is stronger then the rest. that means that the sooner the leader show weakness, off with his head! and the leader will keep the minions as long as they serve his goals.
needless to say that those groups tend to kill themselves.


remember that lawful dosnt mean that you dont kill, it only means you follow the rules...a land controlled by an eye for an eye is still a land with rules...i guess what i am trying to say is that the chaotic and lawful means what are your disposition towards authority.


clarification ended

[Hiraeth]

I have to go to class. I'll add a further explanation later. Also, if he's not chaotic evil then what is he? As for Stern being true neutral, yes that is his alignment, it will make sense later.

[Envy's Boy]

Akegata Shirofuri- This is difficult to classify. For now, he obeys the laws of Soul Society untill he can gain influence enough to make changes in policies in what he believes to be "unjust". Even if it were to result in a Shinigami Civil War. So it is very hard to classify him as good or evil. Because in the end, it is a matter of perspective.

[Shdo]

durante...he havnt really showed evil intentions as of now (hell, he played tag with lulu and lala, i wonder if those two would have diffrent alignments...) he also didnt showed any good intentions so i guess he is neutral in this catagory.

now i dont know enough about him to place him in the lawful scale yet but i dont think he will be lawful, otherwise he would have give Ja'eq the blood the moment he asked for them (supirior by rank i assume)


as for ren, i think you are a little too rough on her. she isnt really evil. sure she is a little rough on her ducklings but that isnt out of hate or anything associated with evil.
i just read something about the alighments and a neutral evil is pretty evil character. sometimes even worse then chaotic evil because they dont go self destruct on themselves.
ren can be very nice and caring for time to time and very violant from time to time, but it isnt the action that define who she is but the intention.
for example a murder is a bad thing, but not every murderer is automaticly evil. a killer of serial murderers isnt evil. he surely isnt lawful but by no means evil.


now, of course that characters can change, i plan to change Ja'eq into a more neutral type, making him a middle man of conflicts, trying to makes others to see his truth.
with this idea of change, its seems tat for stern you already picked a path and decided to already call him a true natural. i cant wait to see him becoming less loyal, i wonder if it will invlove a betrayel or something.

[Hiraeth]

I had some time to think about it during my lecture, and I think Ren might actually be Lawful Neutral. She does follow her own moral code, and expects others to follow it as well. She'll obey figures in authority, although she'd rather be giving orders, and she expects people lower ranked than her to do as she tells them. I was actually basing my initial classification of her on one of the characters from Neverwinter Nights 2 who had a neutral evil ranking. He was working towards the 'greater good' but his methods were definitely evil. I don't think Ren is completely evil, but there is something rotten in her that means that she doesn't care whether she hurts others to get what she desires, and only has friends because she thinks she should, but I think that's her 'lawful' side, she feels like she has to at least conform to society.
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Lawful_neutral

You're probably right about Durante, as he's not one for randomly killing people, but he is out entirely for himself, only following rules when it suits him. So I guess neutral evil probably fits better:
http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Neutral_evil

Stern: http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/True_neutral
Kiku: http://nwn2.wikia.com/wiki/Chaotic_good



Actually thinking about it: The character who is closest to Chaotic evil in my little group is probably Suvi.

[Shdo]

keep in mind that a neutral character does both evil things and good things but most likely will do the practical thing. a evil character have this...malice...its really special.
the neutral characters are vague, they always are, i guess that neutral means that you do your thing without actually trying to be good or bad.

lol...natural evil is more mean then lawful evil (the lesser evil, even if i doubt its so lesser) i guess we will see who is more evil in the upcoming mission :D

[Shdo]

OH! i see...you might want to edit it out to keep people suprised later. ;)

[Shdo]

easy to seperate, if kauro reach a random situation is he more likely to bend the rules but one or two rules are unbreakable to him (making him a neutral good with a light tendancy for lawful) or does he keep all the rules but for a friend he will bend some (making him lawful good with a slight tendancy for neutralety here and there)


the diffrence is what will he bend his personality for, a rule or a person?

[Kaoru Miyazaki]

Kaoru (Shinigami) - Neutral Good.
Hijiri (Shinigami) - Chaotic Good.
Gil (Shinigami) - Lawful Neutral.

Kusa (Shinigami NPC) - Chaotic Neutral.
Xen (Shinigami NPC) - Lawful Neutral.

Souji (Shinigami/Human) - Neutral Good.

Rem (Arrancar) - Lawful Evil.

[Superunknown]

Kiso - He has a bit of humanity, treating his three subordinates as sisters or daughters as much as they annoy him. He is a bit religious and tries his best not to kill an enemy and only leave them half-dead and suffering. He idolizes the Espada and is willing to aid them at any given time. However, he is a psychopath when facing an "undesirable". If he ever encounters anything he detests he will torture it in many sadist ways (later asking God for forgiveness) trying to have justice his way. He is also bipolar and may attack if angered. Neutral Good; Chaotic Stupid/Lawful Evil as Kizer.

Gwen - Neutral Good

Roja - Lawful Neutral

Noira - Neutral

[DarkPulsar]

Hmm, never saw this thread before. Erin Maine is probably a neutral good character. She's willing to bend the rules to do good, but only to a point. Ally Uzuki is a chaotic good. She has a good heart, but will pretty much do anything to get what she wants. If anyone watched Yu Yu Hakusho, she is sort of like Sensui, in the sense that to her, there are good people, and there are bad people. And anyone who falls into the "bad people" category should be killed without question. My arrancar Luskel, which hasn't been posted yet but probably will shortly, is more of a completely neutral type.

[Unicorn]

neutral good – Sayuri. She will follow laws strictly, but isn’t afraid to bend them just a little bit to meet her goals. However she won’t dare to break the laws.

Neutral / chaotic good – Alex. Follows the law only as long as it suits her. When it doesn’t suit her, she finds all ways to get around it to meet her goals.

lawful evil – Nyarle. She follows her own code of conduct, which emphasizes pride, keeping promises and obeying her pack leader (which is 2nd Espada) for the greater good of her pack (espada)


All my characters are like... obedient law-abiding people. *sigh*

[Gol D. Roger]

Itō Haruki - Lawful Neutral

Itō is a kind soul at heart, but ultimately he's willing to accept and even embrace actions that might not seem so "good", as long as it is for the greater good of Soul Society itself. However, more than anything, he is extremely lawful, following the rules to the letter, and enforcing them when those around him disobey.

He lives to serve the Seireitei, and there are times when he's been forced to kill or maim or commit acts on the darker side of the spectrum (such as torture, in the 1C Plot Thread). He accepts these things without any kind of remorse, as to him, the preservation of Soul Society is the greatest good he can possibly accomplish, and that the ends must sometimes justify the means. He harbors no delusions that the evil forces present in all realms of existence will play fair or hold back, and so neither does he.

[Shdo]

assuming they will get it, shiro and kuro are chaotic stupid.

they both forsaken every oath they ever had made in order to achive their petty vendate on one another, they are both renegade and the stupid dosnt reffer to their stupidity but to the level of being chaotic.


a stupid something character is someone who take the second attribute and push it to the end.
for example, orihime is stupid good since she simply cant let these defenceless hollow shinigami hybrids to get hurt. she will always do good things.
seth is stupid lawful, judging everyone and will do anything to get rid of those in the way of justice regardless of if those guilty people only shoplifted a little.


a chaotic stupid character is insane, thats it. they will simply do weird stuff for the sake of chaos. trying to build a massive death ray to vaporize your neigbor fall into that category.

[Magest49]

Crimson- Chaotic Good

Anzen- Lawful Good

Tenaku- Lawful Neutral

Keniten- Chaotic Evil

I think that goes fairly well with them.