Aizen = Jeebus ? O.o

[Beee]

As I wrote in the "favorite arc" thread I kinda came across something...

Aizen, in HM, is regarded as an invincible and good hero who will deliver everyone from pain and suffering. We can conclude that because of the way Aizen talks to people, and the way Nell and Arroniero talk about him (Nell talking about the espada being the best of the best and of Arroniero rambling about Aizen's 'promises' while dying). So he's some sort of 'savior', a "Messiah" for all those in HM.

A messiah and his 10 espadas?? Oooh that didn't make much sense, was I thinking... but that's before I remembered Gin and Tousen existed!! so, it's possble that :

Aizen + (Tousen + Gin + 10 espadas) = Jesus + 12 apostles?? O____O;;;;;

Now as I think about it, it (oddly enough) just makes more and more sense as I remember that.. O__O;

-Aizen acting/talking in his "I'm God hahaha and you Suck" kinda way. Climb in the throne of God?
-Tousen following Aizen (the Righteous Justice, something like that? ;))


anyways feel free to agree/disagree/skip that little theory of mine that I just randomly came across (and discuss...duh) :D

[Mei]

Lol...one thought: who will get the role of Judas Ischariot, the traitor, who betrayed Jesus and sold his life to the Romans?
(Grimmjow...?)

[Primera Espada]

well, the problem there is that the number thirteen (aizen plus 12) is a COMMON number.

There were 13 captains in soul society, and we all saw how that turned out.

Also, the reasons for following aizen are not because he will deliver them from whatever. Arroniero's speech was relating to what aizen said about "as long as you stand with me, no one can stand against us" and also if you note, everyone else FEARS aizen. They made admire what he's done, and hold him on a higher level than themselves, but they very clearly fear him.

Also, Tousen and Gin are on a higher level than the other 10. Such ranks did not exist with Jesus. Not to mention the fact that the espada are part of an army.

So, no, I wouldn't say there's a lot of similarities (which is surprising, given on how much kubo pulls from religion)

[Saffire]

Also, the reasons for following aizen are not because he will deliver them from whatever. Arroniero's speech was relating to what aizen said about "as long as you stand with me, no one can stand against us" and also if you note, everyone else FEARS aizen. They made admire what he's done, and hold him on a higher level than themselves, but they very clearly fear him.Hmmm, but remember IceRinger's speech as well. "For us, who were born from fear, the path of one who holds no fear shines as brightly as moonlight." There's clearly respect there, maybe even awe.

[ezxx]

there's one problem with Aizen being jesus. He's evil. So I suppose if you want a bizarro jesus, he's it.

[vaizado]

He's more like the anti-Christ.

[aznxenocide]

As I wrote in the "favorite arc" thread I kinda came across something...

Aizen, in HM, is regarded as an invincible and good hero who will deliver everyone from pain and suffering. We can conclude that because of the way Aizen talks to people, and the way Nell and Arroniero talk about him (Nell talking about the espada being the best of the best and of Arroniero rambling about Aizen's 'promises' while dying). So he's some sort of 'savior', a "Messiah" for all those in HM.

A messiah and his 10 espadas?? Oooh that didn't make much sense, was I thinking... but that's before I remembered Gin and Tousen existed!! so, it's possble that :

Aizen + (Tousen + Gin + 10 espadas) = Jesus + 12 apostles?? O____O;;;;;

Now as I think about it, it (oddly enough) just makes more and more sense as I remember that.. O__O;

-Aizen acting/talking in his "I'm God hahaha and you Suck" kinda way. Climb in the throne of God?
-Tousen following Aizen (the Righteous Justice, something like that? ;))


anyways feel free to agree/disagree/skip that little theory of mine that I just randomly came across (and discuss...duh) :D

LOL

Nice! I agree that the Espada/Arrancar/Hollows definitely look up to and respect Aizen. However, the only sentiment of stupefied awe has been shown by Ulquiorra, so I can't say for sure whether or not all of them demonstrate the same awe. I'm pretty sure Grimmjaw doesn't, and the ex-Espada sure as hell don't. However, I think this ties is pretty nicely with Tousen's whole "My path is the path of justice lol!" Awesome connection dude. ^.^

[Beee]

Lol...one thought: who will get the role of Judas Ischariot, the traitor, who betrayed Jesus and sold his life to the Romans?
(Grimmjow...?)

I was wondering about that too... I think it might be GJ, Tousen or Gin.. but then again we don't know that much about the others so it's hard to already tell..

LOL

Nice! I agree that the Espada/Arrancar/Hollows definitely look up to and respect Aizen. However, the only sentiment of stupefied awe has been shown by Ulquiorra, so I can't say for sure whether or not all of them demonstrate the same awe. I'm pretty sure Grimmjaw doesn't, and the ex-Espada sure as hell don't. However, I think this ties is pretty nicely with Tousen's whole "My path is the path of justice lol!" Awesome connection dude. ^.^

of course not EVERYONE are in awe, but I think most people are.

-Doldolini (not sure how his name is written lol) is definetely in awe, since he tries to kill ichigo at his best to regain Aizen's trust, even though Aizen got rid of him and replaced him by the current espada. It's possible that the other ex-espada might think the same way.

-Grimmjow, well, he isn't really in awe but he still calls him "Aizen-sama", which probably means something.

and there's some more probably, like Iceringer's speech like saffire said earlier and the two girls who wanted desperately to serve Aizen and that were mad because Inoue was more important to him (y'know the two ebil girls that beat her up >_>)

He's more like the anti-Christ.

there's one problem with Aizen being jesus. He's evil. So I suppose if you want a bizarro jesus, he's it.

Well let's not forget that we have no idea why Aizen wants to get the ouken and get to the king and kill him. Maybe that king is evil? SS is full of misery and corruption after all. I think Aizen's perceived to be evil because of what he did in the SS arc, but who knows? It's been proven through the "great desert bros" that Hollows are not exactly the way shinigami view them and we all knew even before that Shinigami aren't all that nice.

At least from a HM inhabitant's point of view, Aizen would definetely be Jesus.

[aznxenocide]

You mean like, Nell and his brothers? I don't think they revere him...they're definitely afraid of him. I wouldn't say that they worship him the way one might worship Jesus though.

Maybe the king is evil?
I'm thinking he may be evil in the same sense that Marx thought the bourgeoisie were. I mean...yeah.

[Nocturne]

Ha, Aizen wishes. Until Aizen turns tea into sake, he's not anywhere close to being Jesus. I am so going to be struck by lighting. XD

[Beee]

You mean like, Nell and his brothers? I don't think they revere him...they're definitely afraid of him. I wouldn't say that they worship him the way one might worship Jesus though.



Yes yes, the GREAT DESERT BROS :D

Really? I definetely think they admire him. Nell speaks of the numeros, the espada and Aizen in a very enthusiastic way back in 246 when she meets Ichi and the others. But yeah they probably don't really worship him in the same way, but let's not forget that Jesus wasn't really liked that much during his life either. I'm not saying that Aizen = Jesus but merely that there are quite a few similarities ;)

[Velius]

I think the only thing linking Aizen to God is his own ego. He thinks he is God, but IMO that's about where it ends. Yes all the arrancars probably admire/revere him, but I think that with a lot of those there is also to much fear mixed in there.

They do what he says, because they have no choice. Some might be grateful for what he did and maybe even look up to him, but that doesn't change the fact that they still have no choice but to fear what he could do them and also what he wouldn't have to do for them. i.e. live up to his end of promises.

I guess what I'm getting at is that with Aizen, HM would still be able to exist and it wouldn't just crumble without it's "God". His is something that is not needed there nor is naturally from there. Get rid of Aizen and the universe would continue.

[aznxenocide]

I don't think anybody would argue that point, but I think that the main issue is whether or not the Arrancar really do truly believe in Aizen as a sort of savior for them, of releasing their true power and all that whatnots. Of course, they could just continue with their lives simply, but I think Aizen provided them with an opportunity to become something greater, and that's where alot of the respect and awe come from. The lower Arrancar, like the ones that first attacked Karakura Town seem to revere Aizen like that...I guess the weaker they get, the more worshipful they become. The Ex-Espada don't seem to hold such sentiments...and I guess most the Espada do. Soooo yeah? I guess? XD

[Beee]

Not sure about the other ex-espadas, but doldonie definetely held that kind of sentiment. Even after getting rejected by Aizen after he got the hougyoku, he still worshipped him and fought Ichigo so he could get back to Aizen. (of course it was also because he wanted to fight but he partly did that for Aizen too)

but yeah I do agree with you that the weaker they are, the more they worship because Aizen looks much more 'divine' to a simple hollow than to an espada. sooo I guess it's normal o_o

[Frost]

Lol...one thought: who will get the role of Judas Ischariot, the traitor, who betrayed Jesus and sold his life to the Romans?
(Grimmjow...?)

The chapters where Ichigo and Grimmjow fought for (presumedly) the final time are named "Jugulators" one and two. Add to that Kubo is a metal fan.
Jugulator is an album by Judas Priest.

but yeah I do agree with you that the weaker they are, the more they worship because Aizen looks much more 'divine' to a simple hollow than to an espada. sooo I guess it's normal o_o

It's just about power. The ex-espada struggle to prove themselves so they'll have their comfortable seat among the espada back.

[SPLENDiD 0NE]

to me aizen is an evil god with a huge ego :mad:
and with his apostles i guess :D

[SBJ220]

If Aizen were Jeebus, then Crosstianity would have a lot of explaining to do, no?

[Nocturne]

Too true, SBJ220. I don't think of Aizen as a twisted Messiah come to lead his flock to the promise land. 'Sides, for Aizen to represent a Jeebus figure, he would have to die and rise again...wait! XD Anyway, I've always felt he's more like a dictator who leads his subjects through fear.

[spacecat]

He's not jeebus he's gard :rotflmao seriously though, he is too selfish to be Jeebus. Jeebus probably cared about his followers whereas Aizen just really cares about Aizen, and maybe Gin a tiny bit, or maybe he follows Gin out of fear and Gin is really Jeebus. Well to be honest I think they are all fictional characters so I don't really care ahaha no offense to anyone :) To each their own.

[Gintoki]

So what's the deal about this jeebus and gard. Have i missed some important Insider the last months?

So why not pronounce it normally^^

[SBJ220]

It's a form of self-censorship, Gintoki. Some people don't like to openly refer to the religious icons of Jesus and God by their given names when discussing their relation to fictional characters. Now, I won't voice my personal beliefs or non-beliefs, but I personally welcome people to speak in this manner if they please. There's no harm in it.

[Velius]

Yea, it's just something people do for many of reasons. Nothing wrong with it.

and maybe Gin a tiny bit
ROFL. Good job squeezing that one in there. Classic. :D

Most of me agrees with spacecat on the fact they are all fictional characters. It's like, does it really matter how they think, they aren't even real, it's not like they actually can think for themselves or choose anything. lmao. But it's fun play around with they thought hat they can think and what they might do. I already put my thoughts on this earlier in this thread somewhere.

[Gintoki]

If Aizen really is Jeebus, then Gin's definitely his Joodas, who'll betray him someday.

[spacecat]

I dunno bud I was just going with the flow of the thread.

[SBJ220]

There ya go, Gintoki!!! That's how to play it! And I agree. Aizen's 'Joodas', as you say, would most certainly be Gin. Tousen may walk away from Aizen, but I don't see betrayal.

[spacecat]

Didn't they find some extra book that proved Joodas didn't actually betray Jeebus. Oh gard :lmao