Chad's progression [Archive]

ezxx

07-11-2007, 09:16 PM

Okay I know Chad gets a lot of flack for being the "useless" character who gets no break(i've said so myself countless times) but when I stand back and look at it from an objective point of view, he's really done quite a lot.

Okay when Chad first gain his powers, he's a punch to completely dominate one of the more mature hollows we'd seen, even before gaining powers he was beating a semi-intelligent one.

So i'd say Chad's initial powers > Ichigo's initial powers, at least in just raw power.

Then there's of course Chad's training from Yoruichi, with that the ability to use his main attack goes up, his speed however does not. What did Chad do in SS? I'm pretty sure he took out several shinigami like Renji did when going to face Byakuya. That suggests that Chad is actually vice captain level when it comes to raw power. He even defeats a shikai'd 3rd seat with one hit, very convincingly. Albeit, that shinigami was no Ikkaku, but it was still a third seat. That once again puts him on equal footing with Ichigo upon entering SS.

Then there's Chad's pivotal fight against Shunsui. The main reason for Chad's loss, besides inexperience and overall lack of skill, was that he lacked the speed to keep up with Shunsui. However, he had the power to hurt shunsui. What does that put Chad at, although not directly stated? Chad has captain level attacks(at least Captain's who don't release zanpaktous) Of course, he loses that fight because he's unable to hit him, Ichigo initially loses his fight against Zaraki as well(well he didn't stand a chance just like Chad) but thanks to zangetsu's help, he managed to pull out a victory.

Then there is Ichigo's power up. At this point he leaves Chad and everyone in SS way behind. He's at least 5x stronger than Chad thanks to bankai.

Skip to arrancar arc, Chad goes into training to attain something equivalent of a bankai. Although his training is not finished, i'm pretty sure he could stand up to the attacks of bankai Renji. Then there's the entry to HM, Chad in his base form, easily man handles a very very low captain level arrancar. Skip ahead to his fight with Gantenbein, he once again starts losing because of his lack of speed, not because of his lack of power. However, thanks to his hollow nature, he gets one power up in right arm of the Giant, which lets him easily defend against any of Gantenbein's attacks(if i'm mistaken show me a panel where he couldn't) even when Gantenbein releases. When Chad pulls out the left hand of the devil, it's no longer a contest and he easily trashes that captain level opponent with one hit.

Then comes Noitora, mr. I rain on Chad's parade. Chad recklessly attacks, however this time it was an opponent that was too much for him. However, he took the attack head on and got up to unleash a final attack. Now since Noitora's at worst a 7th, I don't see why Chad should have problems with the likes of Syzael, Aaroniro and Yami. So the point is? Chad still has a purpose in this manga, and that is to be on the human side fighting against the lower level espada or if not, the high level numeros. This might have been unnecessary, but hey I needed to kill time before I went back to night class again. :)

Surreal

07-11-2007, 09:30 PM

However, he had the power to hurt shunsui. What does that put Chad at, although not directly stated?

Um...I remember Shunsui owning Chad's first attack pretty easy, then just dodged the rest of them with ease as well.

He stopped that first attack just like Ulqi deflected the blast that came from Benihime. With no problems at all, he looked bored.

Maybe my memory is acting up or that was just an anime filler.

Slev

07-11-2007, 09:36 PM

Um...I remember Shunsui owning Chad's first attack pretty easy, then just dodged the rest of them with ease as well.

He stopped that first attack just like Ulqi deflected the blast that came from Benihime. With no problems at all, he looked bored.

Maybe my memory is acting up or that was just an anime filler.

He's basing that off of how Shunsui said something like "That last attack... it would have been very nasty if that had hit me" after the fight was over.

Surreal

07-11-2007, 10:03 PM

Ah, I knew I forgot something. Tnx.

Velius

07-11-2007, 10:19 PM

I think Sado could have a lot more to do with the series. We don't even know how much more of his power could be unlocked. I would guess, that he will get at least one more power up before the end of the series.

Yes, he has always kind been on the side and got shafted in his fights. But there always has to be the loyal side kick. And I think Sado is a good one.

D.End

07-11-2007, 11:17 PM

imo, ppl just think Sado is a weak character cuz Kubo always puts him in the way of one of the strongest guys someone may met in that arc...so ppl usually just think "he didnt defeat anybody strong and lost, so he's weak" and never see how strong was the character that defeat him...Ichigo, probably, would have lost against Shunsui...maybe, even using bankai*I'm being kind with Ichigo's fans...cuz I think he wouldnt stand a chance against Shunsui*

I desagree when u rated some enemies but totally agree when u say that the difference is just that Ichigo got more power ups

oh yeah...Zaraki DIDNT lose*something I'll never agree ;p *

Primera Espada

07-12-2007, 12:48 AM

Ametatsu

07-12-2007, 03:10 AM

Chad's STRONGEST attack was enough to damage a captain.

But ANY vice captain can actually damage a captain if they try hard enough. The difference in their powers are not so great that they can't do any damage. Look at Renji, had he actually been able to hit byakuya, he would have surely done damage.

If chad WAS at captain level, then his power up in the gantembein fight would have sent him to top tier captain level, but it obviously didn't.

I see him as having been VC level in SS, and now that he's in Hueco Mundo, he's finally captain level (though poor guy, he seems to be lower tier captain level, and had to face Noitra, who's probably comparable to upper tier captains)

Renji was using bankai, though, which I think puts his power level above average VC, though not yet captain level - at least, his ability to use the power isn't yet captain level, even if the potential is there. So he's not necessarily "ANY vice captain"
That's nitpicking, though, since I do agree Chad was VC level at that point - Shusui defeated him easier than Byakuya did Renji in any case.

Noitora probably is comaprable to upper level captains, yes. And not only was Chad therefore facing a upper-tier-captain-level opponent, he was doing it with a power that he'd only just used for the first time. He'd been training, but seeing as he just got his new powers working properly during his fight with Gantenbein, he hadn't had a chance to practise with those. Plus, he rushed in without judging Noitora's attack strength first, which probably made it easier for Noitora. But that was bad luck followed by a tactical error, not necessarily that he has a dramatically lower level of raw power than Noitora.

Oh, random thought vis a vis Surreal's comparision of Shunsui and Chad with Ulquiorra and Urahara -
Shunsui deflected one attack and dodged the rest - because Chad, however much power he had, didn't have the speed to hit him. There's no actual way of knowing what the power comparision is, then, if you discount the difference in speed, unless you assume that deflecting it indicates a way higher power level on Shunsui's part.
But Ulquiorra's (comparable?) deflection of Urahara's attack was followed by an admission that he and Yami were outclassed by Urahara and Yoruichi, ne? So being able to deflect an attack doesn't necessarily mean you can win a prolonged fight.
Not saying Chad could have defeated Shunsui even if he'd had the speed - I doubt he could, and anyway Ulquiorra had to take into account the fact that his partner was way weaker than him - but it is food for thought.

ezxx

07-12-2007, 03:45 AM

a vice captain damaging a captain if they try hard enough? Is this a typical vice captain you're speaking of, like the one i'm talking about without a bankai, or is everyone Renji's level now?

Okay it's general concesus that Ichigo = captain level post bankai training

What happens to the 3 vice captains that try to shikai him? They get blown apart

What happens when Hinamori tries to take on Hitsugaya? She gets taken out by a kick

As for Renji having the power to hurt Byakuya, he had to do that with a bankai which is his STRONGEST attack!

Chad end of SS was VC level
Chad post Renji's bankai training was low captain level
Chad with the two power ups becomes average captain level

@Surreal: yes the initial blast was indeed blocked by Shunsui, however, Chad's attacks got stronger as time went on. So no, he couldn't tank the rest of them, he even went so far as to say i would've been hurt badly had that hit me :> Yeah i know someone wrote it, but i'm just responding to you regardless

:>

hdx514

07-12-2007, 06:29 PM

if end SS chad was VC level he wouldn't have feared D-Roy that much. hepacked quite a punch, but his speed was rubbish, and a VC could easily shunpo him, like D-Roy almost did

imo, ppl just think Sado is a weak character cuz Kubo always puts him in the way of one of the strongest guys someone may met in that arc...so ppl usually just think "he didnt defeat anybody strong and lost, so he's weak" and never see how strong was the character that defeat him...

chad's powers are irrelevant, and you have already explained why in your post: no matter how strong he gets, he'll always be used as the official punchbag to showcase the prowess of the new enemy. so what's the point? the end result has always been the same: whenever he faces a significant enemy, he gets whacked, period. until kubo desides to change his role, he's hopeless.

Ametatsu

07-12-2007, 09:29 PM

Uh, I think we need some sort of clarification as to what is actually meant by vice-captain level. Because the last few posts were discussing how Chad's power compared to Renji's in terms of the damage that they would have caused if they'd been quick enough to hit their opponents. Which means speed wasn't actually being taken into account in deciding what level Chad's powers were at, it was just the destructive potential of his attacks.

So while hdx514's comment that a vice-captain could beat Chad by using shunpo to their advantage may be right, using that to say Chad isn't vice captain level seems to me to suggest that hdx514 is using a different defininition of what vice-captain level actually means.

We're not going to be able to agree on this unless we actually decide what vice-captain level is and what captain-level is, before we try and dcide whther Chad is that level or not.

taicho

07-12-2007, 09:36 PM

I think sado is quite powerfull maybe not captain class but i think he could stand his ground against some high card vc)

i agree that he has a lot of bad luck with his opponents i mean come on shunsui is according to yamamoto one of the strongest captains and noitora also doesnt seem to be a pushover. I hope he survives HM and gets his 15 minutes at the winter war

ezxx

07-13-2007, 02:41 AM

By "captain level" i am refering to(i'm not sure if others are as well) just the reiatsu level Chad hits with. Ichigo was stated to be Captain level by Ukitake but he didn't know shunpo, and could react to Byakuya's. Now i'm not saying Chad could react to Byakuya's shunpo, but based on the level of shunpo he's up against, he might be able to deal with it. The only reason why I think Chad couldn't even land a hit was because Shunsui is so damn fast. He's shown to be one of the fastest characters yet if Yamamoto wasn't exaggerating abilities. If Chad had been facing Nanao, who stated that she couldn't keep up with the captains because they were to fast(in the translations I have), it could stand to reason he would have a higher chance of hitting her or any other VCs of that level.

Primera Espada

07-13-2007, 03:47 AM

For one, when I said Renji could hurt byakuya, I meant with shikai, not just with bankai. I was saying IF he could manage to hit him, it would do damage.

Same with the 3 vice captains Ichigo fought. If they were so weak that their zanpakuto couldn't even hurt Ichigo, he wouldn't have needed to attack them. But he did.

Basically, look at it this way. Every Vice Captain is expected to be able to accompany their captain in battle. If there was too extreme of a power difference, this would be a major liability. We see Matsumoto being strong enough to block Gin's shikai attack (though her sword cracks) we see Hinamori and Kira go toe to toe, we see Kira dominating Matsumoto until she uses her shikai (which nullifies his advantage) and bashes him. This means Hinamori, Kira, and Matsumoto are all strong enough to defend against Gin, a mid level captain. If they can defend against an attack, they can't be THAT much weaker than the captains.

In addition, Iba (who faces off against Ikkaku, and appears to have the advantage) and Hisagi offer to fight Zaraki FOR their captans. Meaning they are likely quite strong (afterall, Hisagi went from the academy directly to seated officer) since they think the two of them would have a chance against Zaraki. (if you recall, it was then that Zaraki's men decided to step in)

So that's 6 vice captains that are all strong enough to hurt a captain class opponent. Out of 12.

Nemu we don't even know, since she is primarily hand to hand combat, Oemaeda, Isane, and... choujiro is it? (1rst vice) are at least strong enough to be a threat to Ichigo. Nanao is too weak to stand up to Yamamoto, but that proves nothing. And Yachiru... Seriously, does anyone think she's weak?

So the majority of vice captains are strong enough to be a viable threat (i.e. able to hurt) your average captain.

ezxx

07-13-2007, 04:27 AM

Mastumoto stopped one attack and almost had her zanpaktou cracked in badly. So in theory the two relatively weaker VCs might be able to stop one attack, but would be fucked by a few more.

Iba had the advantage? I'm not sure how you could tell that given that Ikkaku and he were drinking sake and blabbering about, with the final panel saying "if you hold back, you're going to die" which meant they're on equal footing - at least that's how I interpreted that chapter.

So what if Hisagi offered to take on the captains? That doesn't mean he is good enough to do it, he just thinks he is. Heck Hitsugaya said i'll kill you to Gin and Aizen, I don't recall him doing much to either of them.

The only ones that can hurt(injury badly) captains from my point of view are: Yachiru and Renji. The rest are wild cards as they haven't shown to be that impressive. Also, i'll say this now, the Ichigo who beat Renji was high VC, initial attack failed. He needed to focus much more so that he could give Kenpachi shallow cuts up and down, until he almost dies from 1 stab. So yes, if by hurt you mean high VCs can potentially(if the captain doesn't parry or dodge) give light wounds to captains, it is more than likely possible. However, if it's a serious injury, like the one indicated by Shunsui(and the background) only Yachiru and Renji could do it >_>

Primera Espada

07-13-2007, 05:12 AM

woah woah woah
I said they were good enough to HURT captains

Not win.

I never said win.

Yah, they'd all be creamed by captains, but they'd still manage to be able to HURT them if they were fast and skilled enough to actually HIT them.

Remember, comparing them to Chad's situation here.

ezxx

07-13-2007, 04:10 PM

oi i didn't say anything about anyone winning >_> I just said the vice captains would give only light wounds where as Chad could deal a serious blow

NightMare

07-13-2007, 07:32 PM

In the beggining when i saw Chad i thought that he was worthless character but he improved so much(especially in HM arc)that now make's me to think that he deserve's to fight at Ichigo's side(don't take in consideration the fact that he is dead)He is a good ally of Ichigo(and strong)

yellowdot

07-19-2007, 12:57 PM

Hopefully we'll get to see more of the effects that Hueco Mundo has on Chad, as it has been hinted. The left arm of the devil could be just the beginning. And hopefully then KT will give him an enemy to fight that's not incredibly above him and we'll be able to actually see what he can do. Or he might be thrown back to the sidelines again, as it has been the case so far.

Rain

07-19-2007, 01:07 PM

I want to see Chad in a fight where the outcome isn't obvious. We knew he'd win against Gantebein (or however you spell his name) and I don't think anyone thought he'd beat Noitora. He needs to fight Yammy, that would be a good fight.

Primera Espada

07-19-2007, 01:44 PM

I think he'd push Yammy to release pretty fast.

Yammy, being super confident from their last fight would probably get smashed by Chad's first punch, and after a couple more basically be "that's it, I'm done"

but then again, Yammy's fought a LOT of people.

Ichigo, Chad, Orihime, Yoruichi, Urahara, Histugaya... that's 6.

I kinda wanna see him go against Renji, lol.

Rain

07-19-2007, 03:14 PM

Yammy is almost the perfect character for Chad (or anyone) to beat the crap out of. Chad would win, of course, and finally get a win against a semi-powerful opponent, something we all want to see.

Agmaster

07-19-2007, 03:19 PM

Does Yammy even count as strong anymore? Ichigo, Espada 9-1, possibly numerous captains, Urahara (probably), Wonderweiss (probably), Aizen and co, and probably atleast half of the Vaizards. That's over 20 without adding in Chad, Renji, or Ishida, or half of the Gotei 13 captains, or half of the Vaizards. He's 25th most powerful at best.

Rain

07-19-2007, 03:25 PM

I don't think he counts as strong, but he would be the strongest one that Chad has beaten, and considering Ichigo is more or even with Espada #6 Chad beating #10 isn't terrible. How about instead of Yammy, Chad beating Espada #7, he deserves to beat someone.

Agmaster

07-19-2007, 04:31 PM

I wasn't disagreeing with that. Just pointing out that him beating Yammy by now would not be impressive. Now if he easily handled pre release Yammy and wasn't struggling much versus released, I would rethink my statement. Maybe. I just don't categorize Yammy as strong. Yeah, let's go with him doing damage/beating Number 7.

Velius

07-19-2007, 08:01 PM

I think I would go for Sado one shotting an unreleased Yammi, like Rukia did to D roy. At this point, I don't think that would be big a stretch. Especially since Sado is only going to get stronger. Yammi has pretty much become D roy cannon fodder now, story wise.

Rain

07-19-2007, 08:06 PM

Yeah, Yammy is probably nothing (compared to all the other Espada) but he is a perfect character to beat the crap out of. Chad may destroy him, but it would be fun to see.

Agmaster

07-19-2007, 09:34 PM

Haha, I like how Rain's statement had the but in there. Like beating up Yammy is so easy, it's not even enjoyable anymore.

Mz D

07-20-2007, 01:23 AM

I would love to see a rematch between Chad and Yammy it's a bit harsh how he's always seems so powerful and then gets beaten down quickly. I want to see a really good fight from Chad and Yammy would be perfect.

silhouette

07-21-2007, 03:12 AM

Sado's power can progress to take on upper espadas too...

ch 284 spoiler

1-Adjucas form by Gillians eating hundreds of other gillians.
2-The problem is as a result of feeding/piling hundreds of hollows, one's self consciousness may be lost and one huge dumb collective consciousness is formed.
Considering the above while looking at Sado's case:
1- Sado's individual raw hollow power is naturally superior to even a we know that because he beat an arrancar and a fallen espada wihtout him eating a single hollow or gillian. It's logical to assume that if Sado adds gillians to his menu, he should become stronger and then he should be able to take on higher espadas.

2-The problem of losing one's self in the process of consuming more hollows shouldn't be of any concern in Sado's case because Sado understands his powers...he understands what type they are and realizes what they are meant to be used for and since they are superior to begin with, his self consciousness should rise above other consumed gillians.

ForteAnly

07-21-2007, 03:16 AM

Sado should train with the Vaizard's or Ichigo since they all possess Hollow powers it should be easier for Sado Hollow power to progress. I wonder when Sado and Ichigo will learn Hollow moves.

Velius

07-21-2007, 03:20 AM

silhouette

07-21-2007, 03:25 AM

I thought since hollows are spiritual beings and Sado is in his spritual form while in HM it should be possible ^^....or he can use that huge mouth on his armour for the feeding :P

ezxx

07-21-2007, 03:32 AM

that would be cool as hell. I'd love to see Chad munching on some hollows and becoming strong enough to take on the top espada. Nice idea.

silhouette

07-21-2007, 04:10 AM

Thanks ezxx ^^
Well just a wishful thinking, but it would be even cooler if Sado snacked in Yammi...this would have poetic justice...ok I don't want to get carried away too much but I hope the wind blows in our favour

Rain

07-21-2007, 12:13 PM

We all agree that Chad should destroy (or eat, whichever comes first) Yammy. Now we just have to get Kubo to do it.

wakeskater

08-08-2007, 11:34 AM

I just had a thought i dont know if it has been brought up before, but although Chad's powers seem hollowish at first, what if in fact, his powers are from the realm of Hell? since hell has been mentioned and has been explained very little, and im pretty sure only very evil hollows go there... i think it said that, but its just a thought, since he recieved the Left arm of the Devil, it made me think of it

Rain

08-08-2007, 12:27 PM

I really like your idea wakeskater. it seems possible and could set up either another arc or just give us more information about "hell" in bleach.

wakeskater

08-08-2007, 12:52 PM

well i was thinking about it, and although im sure it will be explained later, according to the current set of standards, his powers just arent really possible, as far as being hollow powers. Perhaps like the gates of hell, he consumes (unconsciously) each hollow he defeats, and gets stronger? idk, i want to know more about chads power... T_T

Air

08-08-2007, 01:50 PM

Yeah.
Chad with Hell powers,
and Orihime with Godly (King's Realm) powers :D

Velius

08-08-2007, 02:17 PM

Hey, that's not half bad. Though Sado has just come to recently understand his powers, he seemed sure they were more akin to hollow powers. That seems to the lead for the what they are, has it has been hinted many time by Kubo, but true, never directly said. There are some relations with Sado and that giant freakin arm that implied that hollow way back in the early going. Hmm... half and half? :nuts

ezxx

08-08-2007, 08:11 PM

Chad is going to be the Maou

Jaina

08-08-2007, 08:17 PM

More like Chad is the next in line to be the damsel in distress.

Must not picture Chad in a pretty princess dress...must not picture Chad in a pretty princess dress....oh hell, it's too late.

ForteAnly

08-09-2007, 12:48 AM

I hope Chad get's something that increases his speed. He has the power but still lacks the speed of shunpo or sonido.

D.End

08-09-2007, 12:58 AM

against Gantenbein he already was much more faster...even Gante sonido wasnt able to surpass him

RipTide

08-09-2007, 08:40 AM

I believe a power up is forth coming for chad, perhaps as soon as Chapter 287? It wouldn't surprise me the least if he shows up to take on Noitora.

It would also be cool if Chad's power is somewhat when powered up fully, is something like the anime Scryed. First one arm, then two arms, then whole body armor and speed. I am pretty sure someone has stated this before in other threads but it would just be cool. Perhaps maybe chad at full potential could rival Ichigo at full potential as well. This way Chad will not be seen as a sidekick but an equal next to Ichigo.

I better stop cause I am just rambling on....ramble, ramble, ramble.....

Pollux

08-09-2007, 08:59 AM

I don't know how other groups translated chapter 260 but in Maximum7's version, Gantenbein's exact line is :
"His reaction time is now fast enough to counter my sonido."
He says nothing about Chad's speed, only his reaction time, which is different.
Although it's true that on the next page, Gantenbein is surprised by Chad's attack, it might be caused by the fact that Gantenbein was still recovering from Chad's previous attack.
Chad does not lack power, he just needs to stop being unlucky and facing enemies which are much stronger than him.
And although I would love to see Chad getting even stronger, I don't think it will happen as he already had 2 power-ups in the current arc (shield and new arm). On the other hand, since HM's atmosphere seems to increase his powers, then nothing is impossible.

Rain

08-09-2007, 07:44 PM

I bet that he'll get armor on his legs that will increase his overall speed

I want to see Chad wearing a hollow mask (although that may be too similar to the vizards)

D.End

08-09-2007, 09:08 PM

Velius

08-09-2007, 11:20 PM

More hollow upgrades for Sado might be on the way, but they would have to fit in somewhere. What I'm talking about, is why would he randomly get armor anywhere else? There would have to be a reason, like his arms, unless they are just for looks, which in the end, would not help him at all.

ezxx

08-10-2007, 01:51 AM

if chad gets full armor he'll be far too much like Kazuma, save for the lack of bloodlust :o It would be kick ass to see though. Chad needs a speed upgrade. Maybe next time he'll have a chest plate or wings :wtf

Velius

08-10-2007, 02:20 AM

I could see full armor for protection. Even be able to harden it like the arrnacar for super protection. The possibilities for Sado that Kubo could go are everything hollows can do. Cero, instant regeneration, Bala. All depends how much toward that side Kubo will take him.

Primera Espada

08-10-2007, 02:47 AM

If chad is tough enough, and have quick reaction times, he doesn't NEED speed.

If he can block anything that's thrown at him, and his attacks have big enough range that only the fastest people can avoid them...

he can basically stand still and blow people away XD

elfy

08-10-2007, 03:19 AM

Hey guys,

this has been on my mind for a while. While Chad was undergoing training with Bankai Renji, I think renji was still under the influence of his limiter (1/5 of his max power), if this is so, then maybe we are overestimating Chad's progression after his training with Renji?

Any comments?

Agmaster

08-10-2007, 03:20 AM

So you are saying Chad is really bad at being offensive? Well you aren't saying that but I just extrapolated it. Thinking about it, I have to agree. Instead of charging towards foes, let them come at him, block or dodge as needed, and punish the mistakes. Chad is NOT a rushdown character. Leave that to Ichigo and to a point, Ishida. Makes SO much sense.

ezxx

08-10-2007, 03:37 AM

Oh Chad does plenty of charging

Noitora, Shunsui and Gantenbein would say so. He loves going at opponents. He has the reaction to deal with mid level sonido but he still needs a speed technique of his own. He can't win a fight by just defending all the time.

Agmaster

08-10-2007, 03:41 AM

Yeh, he loves it and and fails when he does so. He'd do alot better letting them come at him. Chad is not the aggressive type.

He screams gentle giant. He screams buddha waiting to be provoked.

I say fight defensively, not never attack. CHarging Shunsui == failed. Charging Noitora == failed. Charging whatever dude's name was successful ONLY because everyone had to show how they could survive in Las Noches..even though that was quickly proven false.

Let me break it down for you. Play a fighting game. Tell me some characters aren't better at punishing sloppy offenses than others. Tell me some aren't better at just rushing down to break a defense than others. It's RIGHT there. I can't BELIEVE I never noticed that.

ezxx

08-10-2007, 03:45 AM

elfy, i'm pretty sure renji was full power. Hitsugaya was at full power during the same chapters, no reason Renji shouldn't be. Besides, 1/5th of a bankai really wouldn't be training for Chad as it was completely useless on a gillian.

He only failed against godly opponents, which he seems to face often. Next time we'll see him attack Aizen since Kubo loves Chad as a whipping boy. He wasn't successful against Gantenbein until he got his right arm of the giant, and then he really didn't charge ;o Well he did once he got his other power up, but Gantenbein was totally overpowered regardless.

Agmaster

08-10-2007, 03:53 AM

I think he would've done better if he accepted being defensive instead of headstrong, but Kubo shows a distinct lack of love for the less than fully offensive.

Primera Espada

08-10-2007, 05:24 AM

When the arrancar invade the 2nd time, and it's discovered that they're espada, one of the people asks "lift the limit?" to be replied with "allready approved" or something to that effect.

That could either mean that they never put the limit back on after the last fight, or that, in that time we don't see in that chapter, the limit was lifted.

If that was the case, Chad would be, even if he won against Renji, 1/5 of Renji's power. That, however, was before the increase in his Gantenbein fight.

Since we never see the limit put BACK on, and Renji specifically states early in the manga that "whenever we come to the living world, we have a limiter placed on us" it would see as though they wouldn't have a limiter unless they had gone BACK to soul society.

So I'm gonna vote no, chad wasn't fighting a limited Renji

stifflersthedog

08-10-2007, 07:50 AM

I rate chad shouldn't get a speed upgrade, He should continue along the line of high defense high strength. Sorta like a Paladin character (heavy defense/attack with healing for non-wow ppl). I can totally see a full body armor with hollow helmet in the future, that would be sweet . I anticipate Chads final form almost as much as Rukia's bankai

Rain

08-10-2007, 11:56 AM

I doubt Renji was limited only because how much would that actually help chad during training.

Regardless of whether chad gets any more upgrades I just wanna see what his hollow mask would like (i'm hoping he gets that next), my guess is that it would look like a tiger.

Save The Butter

08-10-2007, 12:24 PM

I just hope Chad doesn't have any inner hollow problems.

Agmaster

08-10-2007, 12:53 PM

D.End

08-10-2007, 01:38 PM

Chalo; (pronounced Chollow aka Chad's Hollow) Kill kill fight fight.
Sado; No. (end of discussion.)

Chad is not lie Ichigo. He's too steady to have such issues. I imagine his inner conflict is settled over a cup of tea on the beach.
just like Aizen and Gin... "You have to kill" "but...I've no problem to kill ppl" "oh! ok then! bye-bye!" lol

imho, the only problem with Chad till now is named "Kubo"...come on! the same story at both arcs is too much

Primera Espada

08-10-2007, 08:32 PM

I think Chad's inner conflict would be not relating to wanting to hurt his opponents, rather would be about wanting to use his full strength. Chad is *always* holding back it seems, worrying about defense, etc. His inner hollow (if he ever gets one) would have to be the sort arguing for Chad to take the "best defense is a good offense" plan.

Remember, the hollow side doesn't want to kill, it wants to fight, and it wants to win.

tari101190

10-31-2007, 04:20 PM

in the new opening it shows a left arm for chad that is armored, coloured black withth purple lines...

in the ending it shows the same left arm but coulored white with black lines...

im not mistaken, look at the opening 1 second in or wateva, its his left arm nor right.

so which one is correct? is it white or black???

anyway...chads arm powers seem to be hollow based i guess, but does that mean that his spirit body is like a hollows body with a human head or what? would he have a hole? and if his body is like a hollow body, then in theory he should be able to get full body armor i guess...not sure about a holow mask though.

btw i'm not sure about this i just wanna know what pppl think about its coulor as well as his powers in general.

hemagoku

10-31-2007, 05:09 PM

in anime it was black and purple ,but in manga its black and white ,so .... ,maybe powering up change the color ?
and i don't think he will have hole ,maybe armor but not hole

Guru981

10-31-2007, 05:09 PM

if u read the manga you'll see that chad has another power in his OTHER arm, one of them is defensive(brazo derecho del gigante) and one is offensive (del diablo)

tari101190

10-31-2007, 05:16 PM

im not talking about his right arm, im talking about the left arm.

in the new opening his left arm is black, but in the new ending his left arm is white...

his left arm hasn't even got an official colour schem in the manga yet..so we won't know yet anyway.

Guru981

10-31-2007, 05:46 PM

hello1993

10-31-2007, 05:56 PM

Wow.... Chad is surely improving! his arm can be used as both defensive and offensive! + a hollow mask + a hole = Chalo ~hehehehe~

ZoneGhost

10-31-2007, 06:22 PM

Urazz

10-31-2007, 08:59 PM

Chad is improving at a significant rate, and yet continues to be Kubo's punchbag. However, there is no real need for his existence, or continual powerups if he isn't going to play a decisive role at some point in the storyline.

It is more than likely that he will play that role at some point simply because Kubo wouldn't keep him as a character if he served no purpose..

Exactly, what I was thinking. There would be no point in Chad even being in the series really if he isn't going to serve some purpose.

You know with all the talk some people make about Orihime staying in HM and becoming evil got me thinking, it would really be suprising if Chad is the one that stays in HM and ends up becoming an enemy (brainwashed of course.). :eek: