Vaizards Have Grand Rey Cero?

[Raiden]

Well Grimmjow states that Grand Rey Cero is something only Espada can accomplish..

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We have seen Shinji himself do regular cero:

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Though we have also heard Halibel say that with mask on Ichigo is espada like..

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So is it possible that being that Vaizards are espada alike with their masks on, that they possess Grand Rey Cero?

[krompt]

No they cannot do a Royal Hollow Flash due to the information given, the espada are able to perform this move by mixing their blood with Cero. I think aizen put something special in their blood when creating them. I doubt that vizard can perform it unless they make an espada bleed and use the espada's blood to mix with a cero of their own. So my opinion is no.

[Inuhanyou]

I'm thinking she thought he was similar to an espada in regards to reiatsu level

[Miranu]

I think They can do it, but call it something else /Funky-Cero maybe XDD/
It's like Kuchiyose no jutsu in Naruto, maybe it's somewhat a personnal ability given by Aizen or perhaps everyone with hollow powers can do it.. yeah even Chad O.O

[Tomodachi69]

That's an interesting thought, how hollow-like are Chad's abilities, anyway? Would he even be able to use cero? Hmm.

Anyway, I think that the vaizards might be able to use a cero of the same strength as a Grand Rey Cero. If a Grand Ray Cero is simply a stronger version. I was wondering why only Espada can perform it and I figured that maybe it's simply because the Espada are just that much more powerful that they can use a cero of that calibur, as opposed to other arrancar who are not Espada level.

Therefore, if Ichigo, a "rookie" vaizard, can be classified as an Espada level vaizard, he, and the undoubtedly stronger vaizards, could probably use a Grand Ray Cero if he wanted.

[krompt]

It seems everyone is ignoring the fact that the Espada mix their blood with the cero to make it more powerful. As seen in the page here (http://groups.msn.com/-bleach-/chapter280.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=5297) so no one should be able to use this technique due to there being something special in the Espadas blood, i doubt it has much to do with arrancar power level.

[Tomodachi69]

Oh, you're right. I completely missed that.

Well, in that case, since the Espada require blood in the formation of a Grand Rey Cero, the vaizards most likely can't perform that technique, then. But now I wonder what effect the blood has on the Cero. It's obviously more powerful, but does it have any other effects? In any case, the Espada blood must be special to allow them to use that cero.

[Raiden]

It seems everyone is ignoring the fact that the Espada mix their blood with the cero to make it more powerful. As seen in the page here (http://groups.msn.com/-bleach-/chapter280.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=5297) so no one should be able to use this technique due to there being something special in the Espadas blood, i doubt it has much to do with arrancar power level.

Well krompt I don't know whether it actually involves the blood of an espada or is just a stylistic approach by Kubo just to make it different from the regular cero. And if a vaizard were to do it would be the same thing, where they would use their blood, I don't think its anything special with an espadas blood.

The thing is a Espada's reiatsu differs from that of normal arrancar and a shinigami. So when Halibel says Ichigo's reiatsu is espada like. And grimmjow says only espada can use grand rey cero. I would think being that comparison made, I would say Vizards are capable of having grand rey cero.

[ezxx]

i'll go out on a limb and say they can. Grimmjow may have said that only the espada are capable of it but from my point of view what's needed is an espada level reiatsu. However, it could be something akin to only the espada, like hiero. If not the same type of royal cero, i'm pretty sure the vaizards have something on that caliber.

There's a low chance the vaizards could indeed have it but i'll believe they can until disproved ;o

[Velius]

Hmm. There is nothing to back up that the attack has to be used with espada blood, but it is certainly possible that is what Kubo was going for when he drew the attack like that.

I'm going to say that it might be possible for the Vizards to do this. We don't know for sure that blood has to be used. With the required level of mastering ones hollow, I think it is in the range of possible. So, I guess I go with Maybe...

[Air]

I really hope they CAN'T..

Arrancars are more hollow than they are shinigami.
Vaizards are more shinigami than they are hollow.

So, Vaizard can use SOME hollow techniques.. but please, not all of them.
Cero is perfectly fine. But his better version should be an Espada's exclusive.

That's the same reason why I don't want a second zanpakuto release for the Arrancars.

[Sola]

Maybe. If they can, they will take ownage to another level.

[krompt]

Maybe. If they can, they will take ownage to another level.

And then KT will have to make another species stronger than them in an endless DBZ repetition. I just believe that they need limits i mean ichigo had enough powerups i mean it's hard for me to say this but Bleach is starting to get boring plot wise do to the popping up of new powerful characters.

[Pollux]

At first, I thought that they could do it but I changed my mind.
When GJ said that only espadas could use it, I thought he meant something like "it requires such an amazing reiatsu that only espadas can use it" so nothing prevented vizards from using it.
Yet, the "blood required" thing that Krompt pointed out (I had completely missed it) made me agree with him as we clearly see GJ cutting himself with his zanpakuto before using the Gran Rey Cero.

[Frost]

I don't think so. The vaizard must have developed something different to make up for it.

[spacecat]

I dunno, maybe, but I don't really care since it didn't really impress me that much.

[silhouette]

I voted yes, since masked Ichigo gives the vibe of an espada I assume other vizards (well the really strong ones at least) have the same vibe so in a way vizards and espadas are very close in nature. Whether the cut is done to mix espada blood or it's done to allow more energy outflow, the body of a vizard has hollowish traits...I mean if their eyes change and a masked Ichigo's body becomes hard/tough enough to take five spikes from GJ without collapsing then there was a change in nature of their body so most likely vizards ought to be able to do a grand cero.

[Rain]

I voted maybe. They are strong enough to be able to preform one but i think it may take something else besides power.

I hope that they can't use it, they have to a limit somewhere.