Do we want/need a RP section?

[spacecat]

Primera Espada proposed this:


Okay, here's a nice overview.

The RPG will be split into 3 sections
Earth
Soul Society
Hueco Mundo

In each section, anyone who wants to play as a respective party (shinigami/purified soul, human/plus/Vaizard, hollow/arrancar) registers. That one acts as a base of operations. Anyone can post anywhere though, a shinigami can make their way to hueco mundo, a hollow can visit soul society, etc.

they just have to remember that entering enemy territory usually means death.

Ranking in each catagory works differently. Humans have no rank, shinigami rank are decided upon by the commanders of the divisions, and hollows have no rank other than espada. Fraccion are chosen by the respective espada, and are rankless.

The espada and shinigami captains are chosen by me.

*everyone* starts out with minimal powers, and have to work their way up.

Arrancars have to start out without a release, and work their way up to it, shinigami have to work up to getting shikai and bankai.

and now... the fun part.

How to determine strength.

basically, every day, a certain number (it'll start at 1) of souls will show up in the real world. These will be posted by me (or other mods).

Then, a hollow or arrancar can show up to suck the soul's power, or a shinigami can show up to perform a soul burial. Then, the opposing side can show up. They fight. If one or the other retreats, the victor gets the soul (and therfore one soul point). If the hollow kills the shinigami, he gets all their soul points. If a shinigami kills a hollow, he gets all their soul points.

You need so many soul points for shikai, bankai, release, etc.

The total # of soul points you have also determine your reiatsu.

Here's the important part.

In a bio, instead of giving specific numbers to represent your strength, speed, etc, you give a percentage. It's the percent of your reiatsu that you put into that trait.

So, for instance, if I have a Soul Point of 100, and my bio says I have 35% in defense, I have 35 points for my defense. If my opponent also has 100 Soul Points, and their bio has 36% for strength, then their attack does 36 points of damage.

36-35 means 1 point of damage.

At the start of a fight you have as much reiatsu as your soul points. with each damage you are dealt, or each special move you use, your reiatsu goes down.

Special moves are also based on a percentage, but the costs for them are independant of each other, or stats. Its "how many can you fire off until you pass out" basically. If a getsuga tenshou costs 15% then each time you fire one off, you lose 15% of your max reiatsu.

The damage of special moves combines your strength points with the cost of the special move. So, if your strength is 35, your overall Soul Points are 100, and your Getsuga is 15, a getsuga can do 50 points of damage.

This is how fights end up going fast or slow. If someone rushes in like Ichigo, and tosses out a getsuga every turn, they'll be burnt out in 6, and a sitting duck.

just to recap

Soul Points are like experience points, and double as your max reiatsu # (reiatsu also equals health)

You split 100 % of your reiatsu up into:
Strength (damage dealing)
Defense (damage taking)
Speed (How much time an attack has to dodge)
Agility (How fast one can dodge)

Speed and agility work the same way as strength and defense. If your agility matches your opponents speed, you can block them. If it DOUBLES your opponents speed, you can dodge them (and avoid damage all together) If your agility is half your opponents speed, you cannot dodge them.

This allows for a variety of character types.

Lastly, each post a character makes is allowed up to 5 "light" strikes. These are strikes that are thrown in there to make the battle more intense. These are not free hits, however, these are attacks your character makes that they can assume the opponent either dodges, blocks, or takes "negligable" damage.

A post can end with either a serious strike of any form, or a special move.

Activating shikai, or bankai, can be done at any time, but still counts as the 1 special move of that turn.

Sound good?

I'll be able to type up full explinations and etc once I can actually post in threads for it.


I just realized that I forgot to talk about how a human levels up.

They work the same way a shinigami or hollow does (allthough when they join, they decide if they're a hollow type or a shinigami type, i.e. chad or inoue) they still get points for beating either.

And then quincies are also options, who get half points for killing hollows, however their max Reiatsu is increased when in soul society by 50% and Hueco Mundo by 100%

Humans cannot save plus souls, but they do get a point for every battle they're in, regardless of winning or losing.

Oh, and if no one has answered the initial response by a hollow or shinigami to a soul, they get the soul.


So do we need/want this? Vote and throw in your comments. Thanks guys.

[emoloz]

I suggested this way back so my answer is definaitly yes because i know people enjoyed the last RP thing on BF.

EDIT:

Erm i was thinking the wrong way i don't like this sorta Rp i prfer it where you post some kinda storline and people post up to the characther to gaina role. If its this way no.

[shivath]

I haven't joined any forum RP stuff earlier mostly because I haven't botherd checking what it's all about but it does sound interesting. I'm at least interested in seeing more of it for now.

[krompt]

Yes i think so, it would take some work to maintain, i could help i been on many RP site. So yea i think people ebjoyed it over at BF and adding arrancar can make it even better.

[Riekie]

It seems a bit too messy and I am fine as what we have right now..it's more than enough.

[Velius]

I don't think it's something we need. As for something we 'want'... I guess that should be answered by the poll for 'we'. As for 'I', I wouldn't want it all that much. I just don't think it would be something that enough people would be interested in doing something with to warrant it's own section. Similar to why there is no Bleach Dub section.

[Primera Espada]

o.O Well obviously some people are getting the wrong impression (like the guy who thinks we're not having stories) so I'm going to streamline the rules and explain a bit more clearly.

Here goes!

Creating a character:

List your character's
Name
Type(shinigami, arrancar, hollow based human, shinigami based human, quincy human)
Position (Division Seat #, Fraccion #, or none)
Abilities (Zanpakuto, Energy Blast, Kidoh, Bite, whatever suits your type, you can make them up). You get to start with 2 (Arrancar need a zanpakuto before they can get a release, but don't have to start with a zanpakuto. Shinigami HAVE to start with a zanpakuto. Shinigami based humans need a zanpakuto like item (orihime's hairpins). Arrancar cannot have weapons that are not zanpakutos, though they're type of zanpakuto can be wildly different than normal blades).

Next to each ability, you need to put a percentage. This percent is how much of your max Reiatsu you use EACH time you use an attack (anything over 50% you can only use once, as the second time in the fight would put you into negatives, instantly killing you).

List stats

Soul Points (which will be your max reiatsu, and sort of like your experience points)
You split 100 % of your reiatsu up into:
Strength (damage dealing)
Defense (damage taking)
Speed (How much time an attack has to dodge)
Agility (How fast one can dodge)

Fights are determined like this:

Each post can have however much "random" fighting you want. This allows for a series of inconsequential attacks that may, for instance, set up a cool attack at the end. You can have up to 5 "light" attacks, which are 20% of your strength value or less, which you can declare your opponent dodges, or blocks, or takes negligable damage (basically you're allowed 5 attacks that won't do much. If your opponent has more defense than your strength, these do nothing, if you have a lot more power than their defense, they can actually widdle away a bit of health). Shyunpos fall under this catagory as well. The only attacks that really count (and have to be left open ended, for the opponent to decide how to react) are the major ones, which you are allowed to do once per post (feel free to bold those lines). A major attack is an attack you do with all your strength, or any of your special abilities.

The other person responds with a dodge, a block, or with niether (taking all the damage)

Damage is easy.
First
If your speed is twice that of your opponents agility, they can't dodge
If your speed is half that of you're opponents agility, they can dodge (and take no damage)
If your speed is anywhere between those two, they can block

If they block.
Value of Strength + Value of Ability - Value of Defense of opponent
If they counter.
Value of Strength + Value of Ability - Value of Strength of opponent - Value of Ability of Opponent.

How can you keep your opponent from dodging you constantly if they're twice as fast as you? Well that's easy. If you have shyunpo, you can increase your speed for just one attack.

You can escape at any time, forfeiting the fight. If your reiatsu drops to zero, you're unconsious. If no one's there to heal you, and the opponent so wishes it, you are dead. The opponent CAN chose NOT to kill you though, and leave the thread while still being victorious. If that's the case, though, they only get points for the soul involved in the fight, not your points.

How the game plays out:

Every day a mod makes a post (or two, or whever) where a soul (worth a specific # of soul points) is wondering around. If a shinigami gets to the soul to bury it, and no one replies for 24 hours, the shinigami gets those points. The same if a hollow gets to it. A human can't do anything for a soul, and cant get their points. However, a human gets some of the value of the soul any time they get into a fight (win or lose, and the value is not subtracted from the points the victor gets if the human loses or escapes). Basically, you take however many posts they make, divided by how many posts are in the thread. So 5 posts in a thread 11 posts long would mean they get half. If they run into a hollow to fight, and then run out, they're likely to have 3 posts less than half, so it's in their best interest to fight as long as possible before running if they can't win)

If a shinigami kills a hollow, or vice versa (or even if they kill each other), they get half the soul points the opponent had. (I have changed this) Shinigami type humans, and hollow type humans follow the same rules. Quincy only get 1/3 the spirit points, but get a 25% increase to their max Reiatsu when in Soul Society, and a 50% increase in Hueco Mundo. Hollows get a 50% increase in Hueco Mundo, and Shinigami get a 50% increase in Soul Society (just to make it even). The same applies for humans of shinigami or hollow type.

How the PLOT WORKS:

You can make posts whenever you want, about your character DOING whatever you want. Battles still count as battles (and you need to PM a mod to let them know if a story thread suddenly has a battle) but there's no extra soul at stake. This is how you train, for instance, or as a hollow, how you can eat other hollows in Hueco Mundo to grow stronger. This sort of thing is ENTIRELY up to those participating. It's not really regulated, only judged by the mods. It does, however, have to follow the scoring rules.

The next post I make will be an example.

[Sola]

We dont need one but we want one.

[Primera Espada]

Sample Posts (these are quick and dirty so to speak)

Mod:
A particularly powerful plus was found wandering outside of a hospital. It's a little girl, who recently died of cancer. Her spirit power is ranked at 35, making her a great candidate for the shinigami academy... if she recieves a soul burial. Right now though, she's sitting in front, looking for her mother, crying.

Hollow: Current Soul Points : 100. Strength:30% Defense 30% Speed: 20% Agility: 20% Abilities: Spit Fire : 20% Rush Strike : 10%

The hollow crawls from around the corner, smelling fresh meat. He spots the little girl, snickers to himself, and starts to chase after her. She screams, and attempts to get away, but is no match for the monster

Shinigami: Current Soul Points : 100. Strength:30% Defense 20% Speed: 30% Agility: 20% Abilities: Zanpakuto : 0% Energy Blast : 30%

The shinigami rushes onto the scene, skidding to a stop between the hollow and the plus soul. He laughs and says some witty lines, and prepares for the fight

Hollow: Current Reiatsu : 100

The hollow rushes the Shinigami with a headbutt (5 points) which the shinigami defends against (-20 points, no damage). He then swings his tail around to try and hit his side. The shinigami again defends (no damage). Angry, the hollow sees he's not getting anywhere, and spits out fire (30 + 20 = 50 points)

Shinigami: Current Reiatsu : 100
The shinigami has no time, and has to block the attack (50-20 defense = 30 damage). The shinigami leaps at the hollow with a sword slice (5 points) but the hollow blocks it (30). The shinigami immediately sees the hollow is too tough to hurt with regular attacks. He leaps back, and charges up his energy, fueling it into his zanpakuto, and releasing an energy blast (60 points)

Hollow: Current Reiatsu : 80 points
The hollow tries to block, but is still damaged (60-30 = 30). He leaps at the shinigami, causing him to jump away. He then claws at him, forcing him to block several times before swinging his tail at him, which is blocked, but manages to push him back a few feet (all negligible damage). Before the shinigami has a chance to recover, he preforms a fast Rush Strike (40 points).

Shinigami: Current Reiatsu : 40 points

The shinigami barely has time to muster a defense, and is thrown backwards by the attack as soon as he blocks it (40 - 20 = 20). He, recovers, powering up another strike, and doing the same energy blast (60 points) as he did before, as he jumps out of the debris at the hollow.

Hollow: Current Reiatsu : 40 points

The hollow just barely manages to block, being knocked back by the blast (30 points of damage. However, the hollow sees that his opponent has used up the last of his energy, and crawls over to face him.

Shinigami: Current Reiatsu : 0 points
Letting out a curse, the shinigami collapses onto the ground.

Hollow: Current Reiatsu : 10 points
Happily, the hollow devours the shinigami he just killed, gaining spiritual power from it, and then devours the child.

Mod: The hollow gets 35 points for the plus soul, and 50 points for the shinigami.

Hollow: Current Reiatsu (at start of next thread) 185

I hope that helps clear everything up. I left out a major difference in speed so that both sides COULD block each other (as will most always be the case in fights) If there is a large difference in speed, and the one with lower speed/agility has no speed increasing moves... I suggest you run, you're a sitting duck. You're basically Chad vs Shunsui XD

[aznxenocide]

So this is basically like the BF RP with a couple of tweaks? I never participated in that, but I'm sure it'd be an asset to the forum.

[negativzero]

sounds good.
but is this gonna be post-based or text based?
still kinda confused @___@

[Primera Espada]

I don't actually know how BF's RP was run. I tried to read the rules once, and it was just rediculously long and overcomplicated and didn't actually seem to reward people for their playing (and required them to post at certain times and all that jazz)

As far as post versus text... I don't understand the question.

You are not rewarded simply for making posts, no. You're only rewarded for fights, or missions to save/eat souls. But you can post whatever.

The biggest thing is you can create your OWN story, which weaves in with everyone else's. At the start, I will likely create 2 characters (the Primera Espada and the commander-general) with advanced stats (who wont be participating in fights or missions) to get major plots going.

Basically, think of it this way. Want a hollow invasion of Soul Society? Then make a post in Hueco Mundo rallying all of your fellow hollow's together. Once you've got a large group, make a post in soul society where they all enter, and then each hollow can make a thread in soul society about some location they attack, or some shinigami they attack.

YOU can create the plot.

[Unicorn]

it would take some work to maintain

I agree with that statement. I personally don't think it's something we need, however let the poll speak for itself.

Just reading the rules gives me a slight headache... :headscratch

[Syn]

Any admin/mod from BF will tell you that it needs more than a little work to maintain. Nearly all the mods in BF worked on maintaining the RP section, so if it's not highly approved and looked up by the staff, this won't do.

[Velius]

That's good to know Syn. We are just getting up and going here. If it took that much from you guys, just doesn't seem worth it right now.

[Primera Espada]

I should point out that I've run a much, much larger RPG than BF's before, and had no problems with it's maintenance.

Not to mention the size issue, as our RP would be smaller than BFs, and the fact that due to the system I've set forth, there should never be ANY dispute on who wins a fight.

Damage is always clearly defined.

The system is set up as to need MINIMAL moderator interaction. 1 post when the fight starts, one post when it ends. Easy.

I mean, I hate to say "trust me" on this, as most of you are unfamiliar with my long line of RP moderation (as this would be the first real bleach RP I moderated, the previous ones have been all manner of other types).

The thing that bothers me is a lot of people saying "we don't need it"

And that's true, we don't need it. I don't think the poll was intending to ask people if it's nessesary. It's just a "do we want it" question.

Those worried about the moderation, I can probably handle it entirely myself (at the start) and over time we could add moderators as needed. I dislike the notion of pulling other moderators from other sections to also regulate the RP.

Edit: I noticed that the topic of the thread, though not the poll indicates "need" as an option, so I guess that goes too. Not really sure how that works... I guess if you think we need OR want it, click yes? And if you think niether, click no?

[♠ Fate ♠]

So this is basically like the BF RP with a couple of tweaks? I never participated in that, but I'm sure it'd be an asset to the forum.
Lawl, heya, Azn. I recognise you from Bleach Forums! :3 I'm Aya-chan, member of the BFRPG and one of the claim whores in your Moderator domain. @w@;; By the way, the BFRPG hasn't died. It moved to http://www.amalgamrpg.com/forum/index.php (we bought a new board) and the former awesome Mods/Admin WhiteEyes (Sai), DivineTruth (Dippy), Djudge (D), and Winduril (Windy) even came along. =D Ask Babbo. @_@ He somehow followed us there too. xDDD

*cough* Anyway, an RP section here would be awesome. =D If you guys wanna start it out, I'd like to help. ^________^

[Velius]

Whoa. That's pretty cool. They kinda did what spacecat did. Just went off and made their own forum. Maybe we could just get them to run it here. >.<

[Gothic Lolita]

maybe we should start with something abit simpler, cut back on the few extra things which were mentioned. then upgrade the RP by adding more options. If noobs want in on the RPG, then i dont think they will fully understand the rules. if ya want more people joining, or even teach them how to Role Play then they need to go through a much simpler process then advance their way into something abit more complex.


EDIT: altough, having the previous BleachForum mods and admins run the RPG sounds really good ! i think we should ask them to move the RP here.

[Velius]

That is, if they would want to. I don't think anyone would mind them running it. They know what they are doing. And it would benefit both of us. They get more people and we get the section with lots of people to monitor it.

[♠ Fate ♠]

Well, you guys... It'll be hard to convince us to move here, because one of our members already bought the vbulletin board and we're planning to make that site of ours an RPG collection site. ^___________^

[Velius]

Oh ok. That's understandable. No point in throwing away good money spent. Maybe you guys could just keep it in mind as something down the road maybe. Probably shouldn't even be saying that, still not sure how spacecat even feels about it. lol. It's an idea though.

[♠ Fate ♠]

Definitely. n_________n <333 Maybe we could affiliate or something. =o Hmmm...

Iono. xD

But if you guys wanna start your own RP section, it's totally your own choice, I suppose. n__________n

[Velius]

We're thinking about it. So far it's split right down the middle whether people want one or not. we aren't just sure if we will have the people needed to keep it under control. Lots of other thing to take into account too, but that's at the top of the list.

[♠ Fate ♠]

Ah. n________n I know what you mean...

EDIT: @ Primera: Sometimes Mod interaction is necessary to make the RP run just that little bit better. =/ Leaving the players to run on their own and go crazy with their own plot (which may affect others greatly) could cause some problems. That's how a lot of big RPs die sometimes. ._________. Or rather, lose their quality.

[Primera Espada]

Um, I would mind them running it o.o
I put all this effort into making an RPG and even get Spacecat to tell me I could run it if you all wanted an RPG, and then to just say "hey, let's get a bunch of other people to do it and ignore all the work that's allready been done, and not even ask the guy who's in charge of the RPG here" that's... kinda insulting, isn't it?

I wouldn't mind if they wanted to help out though, and I'd love to talk to them about different aspects if they want to.

Edit:
Ilya, I didn't say no mod interaction, I said that the system is set up to run smoothly with as little interaction as possible. Believe me, I know, I've ran big RP boards before.

[♠ Fate ♠]

By Mod, I kinda meant the person creating/running the RP. =o

Anyway, if an RP starts here, I'mma want to join, probably. =D *signs up*

[Primera Espada]

After a convo with Ilya, I thought I should point out that these are not all the rules.

There are more ways to gain points, and more factors in battle. However, much of that is somewhat pointless to make if the board isn't interested. So this is the overview.

Things not covered, but will be in the RPG:
Story events where participation = points, regardless of fights.
Healing types will get a percentage of points based on how much reiatsu they heal (like, if they manage to completely heal 100% of the persons Reiatsu, they're gonna get half the points he does).
Rules for shyunpo, binding spells, and their effects.
Conditions of, and rewards for training with your zanpakuto spirit.

In other words, if you make your own plotline, and it involves no fighting, and no training, no, you don't get any stronger. This should make sense, yah?

However, you can use your plotline to set up events that would then cause fights, or whatever (like, basically, if you set up a bunch of plot lines to have soul society turn against itself, and then fake your death, kidnap a girl and then flee in the chaos, you could do that. Battle would be all around you, and so you could be a major villain without even actually fighting anyone)

Also, as stated before, anyone who gets involved with major plot posts gets points, and so you can intertwine your personal plot with the main plot and voila, you get points, AND you get to be super cool, and everyone will notice you (since you're involved now)

Does that help?

[♠ Fate ♠]

*pokes spacecat with a stick* =o

Hmmm... This idea seems interesting - I guess it's really technical, but it could work. n____n I say just let it run for a while and see what happens then. =D

[spacecat]

Why am I being poked? :p Did I miss something @_@

[Primera Espada]

Yah, a trial run should be harmless enough, right?
If it gets out of hand, it'll be shut down. It's not like it has to be permanent.

[spacecat]

Yeah but if we make it all and set it all up, let ppl join up and start a story or whatever then suddenly shut it down ppl are gonna get pretty pissed. Not many people have voted and its pretty much even @_@ I'll let it go a bit longer.

[Primera Espada]

Well, people won't be too pissed if the RPG isn't working (which is the reason for it to be shut down) right?

ANd if the RPG only isn't working cause it doesn't have the manpower to run it (I really see this as the smallest chance of happening) then if there's a lot of people in the RPG that would get mad if it stops... couldn't we just make a couple mods of the RPG section? Or not even mods, some could just be in charge of scoring, which doesn't actually involve any mod powers.

It just seems to me that the smaller the board is when it starts, the better, cause that means if we DO have to shut it down, there's less people upset about it. If we keep waiting, and there's more and more people joining the board, then it could be more work right off the bat to run, if we chose to.

Of course, I don't know the board's rate of growth, so that all might be a complete non issue if not many are likely to join in a relatively quick fashion.

[spacecat]

Ok well no won but lots of people have expressed interest. We are most likely going to affiliate with the big RP site but we still may do a trial run of one here. I will be talking with people about it soon. Thanks for the votes guys.