The Twilight Series [Archive]

Cara

06-28-2008, 04:52 PM

I hate the Twilight series with a passion. Not only is it bad, but people (specifically girls I know) drool over it like it's the best thing since sliced bread. My problems are such:

1.) Bella. C'mon girl. She acts like if she can't have Edward in her life, she's dead. She's willing to throw away her dreams, friends, and family just for a guy. That's a little weak, in my opinion. She's also willing to make herself a danger to the people around her for said guy. Ugh.

2.) Edward. He's more like a fantasy dream boy than anything. He's totally gorgeous, mature, AND he's never looked at a girl besides Bella? He sounds like a wet dream, IMO. He could at least have had a former love or something because it's highly unlikely that a person could live that long without being in a relationship. But, wait, I forgot, he lives only for his true love, Bella.

3.) Everyone loves Bella. The guys at school love Bella. Alice loves Bella. Edward loves Bella. Jacob loves Bella. Bella hasn't done anything deserving of love.

4.) Glitter Vamps?! WTF

5.) Did I mention Bella is a boring character??? :lmao

6.) The parents are conveniently uninvolved in Bella's life. I don't know about anyone else, but I think a father would notice if their teenage daughters boyfriend NEVER EATS. Or he's not well-endowed in the intellect area. which makes sense, considering how his daughter turned out.

7.) Bad, cheesy lines that sound like they were highjacked from a dime store romance.

vonix

06-28-2008, 07:34 PM

im a guy and i like the series (just cause alice and the cullens rok) but yeah girls fangirl over it too much

emoloz

06-28-2008, 08:39 PM

Oh i agree witht he fan girls. I read it light heartedly. Bella is an awful characther. I prefer the cullen family if am honest am only reading it for them Bella can die for all I care.

vonix

06-28-2008, 08:59 PM

best....ending....ever
bella dies edward says oh well and dates jacob

Cara

06-28-2008, 10:45 PM

That would be wayyyy hotter :wtf JakeWard FTW

vonix

06-28-2008, 10:47 PM

cara- lol it is but not many ppl agree w/us tho :cry

Cara

06-28-2008, 11:14 PM

I know. On a forum I saw the user name "Mrs. Cullen". Freaky.

Miss Lolita

06-29-2008, 12:16 AM

I have friends saying, "I'm going to murder Bella in her sleep and marry Edward." and "I'm going to marry Edward!" and "OMG Jacob kissed Bella, I am SO going to kill him!" Newsflash! THESE PEOPLE ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. Edward, perfect Edward, IS FICTIONAL. Bella is fictional. Jacob is fictional. There is no possible way you could kill them, maim them, or marry them in any way. *facepalm*

After that rant...

Which book did you like the best?

I really liked and prefer the first book. It was a very good book (although i can't find it now :() and it was wonderful with all the tension it created between Edward and Bella, it had the best book kiss in the history of forever (I may be wrong though, I haven't strayed over to the romance section.), and best of all? Bella didn't trip every five chapters! Yay! (haha sorry, I have this problem with Bella's constant clumsiness. I don't really see how that can be related to, since most people don't fly off motorcycles too often. :P)

Cara

06-29-2008, 12:35 AM

Ugh, it's usually retarded fans like that who turn me off of series like Twilight. The fact that they feel so passionate about 2-d characters is sort of weird. >>

Gisella

06-29-2008, 12:48 AM

I hate the Twilight series with a passion. Not only is it bad, but people (specifically girls I know) drool over it like it's the best thing since sliced bread. My problems are such:

1.) Bella. C'mon girl. She acts like if she can't have Edward in her life, she's dead. She's willing to throw away her dreams, friends, and family just for a guy. That's a little weak, in my opinion. She's also willing to make herself a danger to the people around her for said guy. Ugh.

6.) The parents are conveniently uninvolved in Bella's life. I don't know about anyone else, but I think a father would notice if their teenage daughters boyfriend NEVER EATS. Or he's not well-endowed in the intellect area. which makes sense, considering how his daughter turned out.

1. I agree. She goes anti-social for 4 months (?) and dumps most of her friends just because he left her.

6. I disagree about her parents not being involve in her life. Bella constantly lie to her parents. Charlie is trying to help Bella. He tells her start to hanging out with her friends because he hates seeing her depressed. Charlie even wants her to stay away from Edward. Reene is also helpful because she's always emailing/checking on her. She also caught a hint that Edward is obsessive.

And also, who jumps off a cliff to hear your boyfriends voice?!?! Who?!?!....talk about delusional.

07Janina07

06-29-2008, 01:44 AM

The Twilight series. I read that utter failure. Bella is a weak character there is not strength in her obsessive behavior. I like the first book but the second and the third where the worst pains imaginable. :-_-

I couldn't believe that after having put herself and her family through so much pain she will then turn out to love Jacob as well. What a cheap cliche for her to love both. God, just hearing her makes me cringe. I wanted Edward to kill her and move on. She wasn't worth a minute of his time. Jacob was an awful character, I couldn't stand his stupid manipulative ways.

Don't even get started on how much I hated the stupidity of the drama that went on the second book. She just accepted that he didn't love her anymore and that was it. It was so stupid. :-_- I can't believe that woman is getting money out of writing such stupid books. :-_-

I wish I could delete the awful pain those books where to read.

Krishina

06-29-2008, 03:36 AM

Ah, yes, the Twilight series. I kept hearing all this talk at school about how amazingly awesome this series is, so I checked the first book out from the library and finished it recently. I found it enjoyable. I like the Cullens, and there was enough suspense to keep me interested. However, I just can't bring myself to like Edward and Bella's relationship. Bella is whiny and obsessive. I hate how she seems to think that she can't possibly live without spending every single second with Edward. And Edward is too perfect (though I like him way more than Bella.) But other than that, I thought it was a good read. Not OMG BEST EVER, but still all right. I'm going to read New Moon. (Though I already know about the Bella-angst fest after Edward leaves...not looking foreward to that. ><)

Cara

06-29-2008, 10:46 AM

@Gisella

I'm just sort of weirded out by how she's willing to give up her family for Edward. No guy is THAT important IMO.

@ 07Janina07

Arrggh, yes that was cliche. Jacob started out as a so-so friend and ended up a Bella-obsessed drooling psychopath who used his own life to get Bella to kiss him :insert utter fail: :fpalm I always felt he was a cheap plot device to beef up the drama. Good thing I borrowed the books from a friend instead of spending my own money :D

@Krishina

Ahhh, for me the first book was ok, good enough for me to try the second. It all goes down hill from there :rotflmao Just make sure you borrow it or check it out from the library

Anyhow, Bella is such a failboat. She's whiny, weak, and stupid on top. I mean, I don't blame her for being a measly human, but why does she have to act like such a moron? I think SM i trying to play Bella and Edward's love as "true love" with the whole 4 months of misery thing. But they're just boring. There's nothing there. Yet they're making a movie of it :zomg

Lady Mizura

06-30-2008, 04:48 PM

Wow, this seems a little hostile against a book. As you all say, it's fictional. All Fiction.

Anyways, I truly don't believe it's a bad book series, but it's definitely not in my top 10 books. All Twilight is is a fantasy. That's all. There is no logic behind it, and I came to understand that approximately 10 pages in. It's a entertainer for teens. It's a good concept, but could be developed much better both in plot and within characters.

I will give Stephanie Myers a bit of props, though, as Edward's side of the story is much more exiting than Bella's. It shows her writing talents extend further than Bella's POV.

I hope I won't be shot for slightly defending the book series. (because believe me, i'm not too big of a fan):XD

Keylimepie

07-01-2008, 03:28 PM

i just ordered the first 3 books from amazon:p cant wait to start:yay

Cara

07-01-2008, 03:56 PM

@Lady mizura

I don't care THAT much! :XD Just sorta ranting because people gush over it so much :lmao I mean, it's not bad (it's not good either), but when fangirls yell "OMG BEST BOOK IN DA WURLD" I get sorta annoyed.

emoloz

07-01-2008, 07:57 PM

Yeah I know fo people obsessed with it but am not myself i just read it like any book and ignore the fans who take it into there hearts to "whore" it. How the heck would I have read harry potter if i had heard all the fan girls I think i would have packed in after book one.

I know this is going to sound terribly biased but to be honest America you advertise these things a lot. I have never heared of twilight mentioned even once on the UK Tv and I have seen people mention from the US mention like "OMG TWILIGHT WAS MENTIONED ON TV OMG AM GUNNA DIE" We hear like nothing. Am glad otherwise I would have never read it I would have vomited at the fact.

Lady Orihime

07-02-2008, 04:58 AM

I never heard of "Twlight" until a topic was started about it over at my message board in January, and I live 3 hours from Forks, and an hour away from Seattle.

I was only curious because of Peter Facinelli's (I can't believe the ass in "Can't Hardly Wait" is Carlisle :rotflmao) and Robert Pattinson's roles in the movie, and I didn't read the books until May.

Even though the heroine is strung-out, I like the books; including the sequels. I sometimes liked Jacob in the "Eclipse"...I just want him to hurry up and imprint someone :rawr...unless he really did with Bella and she really is just too stupid to figure that one out :sweat

I'm wondering if Edward or Bella is going to die. Or both. I don't want to see "Midnight Sun" as a reflection of how Edward changed after meeting Bella or something like that (like how Renji reflected on meeting Rukia...maybe he thought he was going to kick the bucket?) And then come to the end of the book, Edward is standing in front of Bella’s grave or something so cliché as that. Or even vice versa. Or the Cullens and whoever else standing in front of both of their graves. I want the other cliché...the vampire's riding out into the sun to live their days together :D

Cara

07-02-2008, 05:36 PM

Lady Orihime

07-03-2008, 07:23 AM

It's a figure of speech ;) But they could, they'd just be all sparkly doing it :lmao

Cara

07-03-2008, 02:13 PM

Er, hate the sparkly vampires. It's original and all, but c'mon. CHEESY. Anyway, I hope Edward/Bella dies and the other hooks up with Jacob. JakeWard FTW! :yell

directX07

07-13-2008, 02:32 AM

I got over my addiction to the twilight series. After reading new moon and eclipse - JEEZ! IT WAS A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY!!!

Sorry guys, I have the privilege to change my mind. It's just another Sloppy Love Story!!! (SLS)

Isabella Swan is the lamest, weakest protagonist ever. Well, since the first chapter I never really liked her. And since I was recently brokenhearted, I thought twilight was the blast and fallback for me. But now... I don't think so.

I've gotten cynical.

I just never got used to the fact that Edward Cullen is so drop-dead gorgeous. That's what kept my interest alive. And I read and bought the first three books. I'm not the type to read and let go. It's a big waste.

But I'm disappointed with the book. Dammit, Meyer! stop writing like a child. JOke...! :yell

bradc

07-21-2008, 08:16 AM

I never quite understand the hype it... Nor am I trend follower. I'm mostly out of the loop before I get the big picture what's going on with the teenage hormones these days. I did my own digging, when some people on my friendlist talking about it.

There are mythologies where vampires can live under the sun, like any other humans (people are insomniac). I believe the author got her metaphors all wrong when she was writing her hero of the story with Edward Cullen and her heroine Bella Swan is completely one dimensional. Lion and the sheep could have switched roles with wolf underneath the sheep clothing with Edward, instead of Bella. It also lack the actual teenage angst that most say being the teenage angst of her heroine trying to fit in; being paler than pale. HOLY GHOST Batman! :sweat

The book itself could have just rolled under the Adult Romance Novel section instead, but lack of sex. It was a dream-fantasy of the author's personality. I think she's also lacking an editor for her writing (everyone needs one of those when writing for public audience)... If the last two saga are that bad, something is definitely wrong with the author...

Watch and Read: 10 Seconds Interview with Stephenie Meyer (http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Book-1-Stephenie-Meyer/dp/0316160172/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product)

Sol

08-03-2008, 08:28 PM

Breaking Dawn...

My vocabulary is not big enough to fully describe the way I feel about it...

:zomg :yell :fpalm

that about covers it...

It did help end my obsession with the series though. Now I just like the series. T he first book was the best of the four.

Lady Mizura

08-04-2008, 01:49 AM

I haven't read Breaking Dawn yet, but these are the reactions:

:sweat:hmph:devestated:killu:stfu:eep:stfu2:rawr:c ookie:crazy

I swear, people are really disappointed. I don't know If I want to read the book now!

Sol

08-04-2008, 04:28 AM

yeah you pretty much summed it up there Lady Mizura.

I'll be honest I was disappointed. I didn't even finish the book because I was disapointed. It was just to much so I skimmed the rest.

Unless you like OOCness and a plot twist that makes no sense I say you pretend it never got released and consider the twilight series a trilogy.

I'm still looking forward to Midnight Sun though because a Twilight retell through Edwards point of view will be better because he actually struggled.

windxalchemist

08-04-2008, 08:03 AM

I loved Twilight the first time around. Second time around with the novel, I kind of did a double take, wondering how I'd ever loved this book.
I'm getting mixed reactions. Some kids are in love with it, some aren't.
Most aren't actually.

I think that this story has boring characters. Boring boring boring. Bella is a great conflicted character...if ONLY her character would GO somewhere. But it always pines for Edward. Edward this, Edward that. Then she goes emo for 4 months straight. That just shot her character down for me.

It's not bad writing as much as horrible characters. Edward, while I admit, sounds dashingly amazing, is the worst written character of the lot. He has no conflicts. Just the one that he's a monster, but that can all be changed if Bella becomes a vampire. He's so terribly perfect that there's no progression for him to have had.

Bella's conflicted and so very stalker-like in the first novel. Jacob becomes a part of Bella's tangled life to add drama, no doubts about it. All the characters have issues, but I find that had they been given progression, it would have been interesting. But Bella continues to be a bad heroine and Jacob emo's and wins over Bella's confession/kiss with a suicide threat. >.>

Plot was lacking. Very much so.

Lady Orihime

08-04-2008, 08:26 AM

I got my copy at 12:24am on 8/2, and finished it by 7:00am. I wanted to throw up in the store by all the screaming tweens :facepalm "OH MY GOD! I GOT IT!" - "OH MY GOD! YOU GOT IT! I HATE YOU!!!!!1!!!!!11!!!"

ANYWAY...Wow. That's all I have to say. Wow.

TOTAL SPOILERAGE!!!

I SO KNEW THAT BELLA WOULD GET PREGNANT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!! :lmao And when Jacob's book ended, I knew he would imprint on Renesmee. I was thinking he would imprint on Leah, because it sure sounded like she imprinted on him. And then that Lizzie girl showed up, so I didn't know what to think....but then I read about how the only thing that held him there was because of Renesmee.

What I really liked was the fact that Bella's power was almost like Orihime's Santen Kesshun, where she could protect everyone behind her sheild :urahara

But it was just really...odd. Like I didn't feel like I was reading about the same characters I came to love. It got better in "Book Three", I guess....but while I saw the Jacob/Nessie thing coming...it is a bit disturbing. Imagine being Bella and your ex (technically) is going to end up shacking up with your daughter? :zomg

I :inlove Bella asulting Edward. "I can't, Bella, I can't!" :devestated:nooo

But the whole pregnancy thing was really stupid on Meyer's part, after she said this in an interview:

And since we’re talking physiology…I’ve had tons of people ask if vampires can have babies. The answer is no. When someone becomes a vampire, it’s as if they are frozen exactly as they are in that moment. His or her (and we’ll go with her because it’s more central to this discussion) body no longer experiences change. Hair does not grow, nor do fingernails (if you cut your hair, you’re stuck. That’s why Alice’s hair is so short–it was growing back from being shaved in the asylum). This applies to all changes -

Sperm are living cells. Or is Edward a sperm cryobank? And it unfreezes when he gets worked up?

And I liked what one person said on LJ:

Shouldn't his sperm be frozen human sperm? Not spawn of satan demon sperm? How does vampirism change his little soldiers into vampires (I need a freaking picture of spermy guys with vampire teeth lol)? Especially since he's not making new ones that would allow the vamp dna to be present.

Honestly, I think the baby thing was the only part where Meyer failed with this book.

Sora Chan

08-04-2008, 02:15 PM

Ok I have finished the first book. I started reading Twilight because I had run into a friend in the book store and she gave me eclipse for my little sisters to read. I have of course heard of Twilight, (who hasn't) so I bought the book and read it.

Twilight is just like a fanfiction I swear. The writing isn't that great, and the plot is ok. I absolutely hate Bella. She is the most annoying character ever. I find myself literally facepalming or like having a sudden outburst "What the hell are you doing? Are you an idiot? OMG tell me she didn't just do that. Mom she is a complete retard. I hate her. Ughhhhhhhhhhhh" To be honest, the only reason I am reading the series for Edward. Seems like he isn't in the second book though. I was reading it, and I was just so urked by it I put it down and stopped reading. Lol hopefully I can get through the series :p

Krishina

08-04-2008, 03:10 PM

I was reading reviews for Breaking Dawn on Amazon last night. Man, I've never seen so much strong hate for a book in one place. O_O There were a few positive reviews, but mostly a lot of very dissapointed readers. (I also noticed that it seems like everyone either really loves or really hates the book - I didn't see anyone in the middle.) Judging from all the spoilers I read, it does sound a little...weird. ._. I'm not sure if I'll ever read the book now, haha.

...

"Nessie"? :lmao

Lady Orihime

08-04-2008, 09:53 PM

I'm in the middle. On one hand, I think the pregnancy was sheer stupidity because of what Meyer has previously said about Vampire's and pregnancy...on the other hand, I'm glad that Edward and Bella got their happy ending, because honestly, that's all I wanted from these books* As did Jacob (YAY! No matter how disturbing it is :oops) and everyone else.

*(see previous posts)

Sol

08-05-2008, 12:16 AM

lol lady orihime i thought exactly the same thing about the pregnancy thing. :crazy

I mean it was a plot twist that didnt make sense to me....

I also thought the characters themselves were quite different....

The Jacob imprint thing.... :fpalm

I think meyer could have done better..... she tried to give EVERYONE a happy ending and that is what I think kinda messed it up.....

07Janina07

08-05-2008, 12:17 AM

Breaking Dawn was disturbing in a bad way. It didn't make sense at all. Meyer should have never said vamps can't have children. She should have lied and said that she wasn't sure yet about that detail.

It would have been better if Edward didn't want to have sex with her because mating between vamps and humans was prohibited. That would have been better. I was just left wondering how much work did she really put in to the last book. Did she try at all?

Lady Orihime

08-05-2008, 02:35 AM

I can see Meyer saying "What I said in that interview was directed towards vampire couples not being able to procreate. I never addressed what would happen if a vampire and human couple were to have sex." to which the fans will turn around and say "But you still said everything was frozen." Not to mention, the venom which attacks their systems when they go through the change would have still killed the sperm. So unless vampire males can still produce sperm (and there is no reason why they should be able to, since the women can't generate new eggs), the whole idea just goes against everything that Meyer has said in the previous books and interviews.

I'm also with Stefan and Vladimir and being pissed that there was no big fight at the end. The Voluturi aren't going to change their ways, and there was no resolve for how they opperate. Everyone was happy, "friendships" renewed, and off on their merry little ways :rolleyes:

I also thought the characters themselves were quite different....

I have to agree. The only people I felt were familiar where Carlisle, Esme, and Emmett. Chapter 2 and onwards...I just felt I wasn't reading the end of the "Twilight" saga regarding the other characters.

trapdoor

08-06-2008, 08:57 PM

I've only read Twilight & New Moon so far.
I'm getting Eclipse & Breaking Dawn tonight.
& Well I loved Twilight, New Moon was alright, but it kinda annoyed me.

& Yeah I don't like Bella either, she irriates the hell out of me.
But I do adore Edward.
:love

Sol

08-06-2008, 09:03 PM

lol everyone who reads twilight adores Edward. ;)

Lady Orihime at least you got the cliché happily ever after walk into the sunset ending you wanted. :D

trapdoor

08-06-2008, 09:15 PM

Heh yeah.. I guess every girl likes Edward lolz.
I really don't like Jacob though. He annoys me.

Renegade Raine

08-06-2008, 11:58 PM

I could never get into the series, because the majority of the fandom scares the HELL out of me. I read story summaries though, just to make sure I'm not missing anything good (no comment). But my boy, Jacob (who is my figurative favorite character) got screwed big time. T_T

But I wound up going to the book release party, because my sister is a Twilight fan. It was so horrifying, that I honestly blocked it out of my mind and even forgot about it the next week, until my sister reminded me. Although if I knew about the sparkling vampire thing before the party though, I totally would have covered myself with glitter and dressed up as a flamingly gay Edward to laugh at the reactions. :hm

Forgive me if this kind of post isn't allowed here. >.>

Miss Lolita

08-07-2008, 12:15 AM

Breaking Dawn has the bloodiest, most violent, and confusing pregnancy scene I've ever read in my life. It also has a very cheesy ending. I mean, seriously, Aro, Caius, and Marcus were really out of character. They should have been crueler.

ETA: Leah telling Jacob about her menopause and his reaction = :rotflmao and I loved Jacob's chapter titles. They're better than Bella's.

Lady Orihime

08-07-2008, 02:58 AM

I agree about Jacob's titles. Getting to read some of the story through Jacob's mind was great. One of the best parts of the book, because a lot of it was so lighthearted and funny (IMO, at least ;)).

lol everyone who reads twilight adores Edward. ;)

Lady Orihime at least you got the cliché happily ever after walk into the sunset ending you wanted. :D

That I did! :yay

But I wound up going to the book release party, because my sister is a Twilight fan. It was so horrifying, that I honestly blocked it out of my mind and even forgot about it the next week, until my sister reminded me.

I can only pray to GOD that I didn't act like that when I was...whatever age those girls were. I did what a couple of other people did and walked off to read some manga :rotflmao

You work at B&N, right Raine? They didn't ask you to help for the release party?

lilsakura

08-07-2008, 01:28 PM

My feelings on the book::D
I have to say that overall the book was pretty good. People seem to feel wierd about Jacob and Renesmee but that wasn't necessarily out of the norm in the novel and they don't age the same way humans do. Even Jacob, if he keeps phasing will not age and we know he does enough of that.

The only thing that I realize was very unrealistic was the whole pregnancy. If it didn't happen, then pretty much the whole story would've been different but she did say repeatedly that vampires couldn't have children. This is where it falls short. Even though she changed it in the book, it still goes against what she has said up till now. Besides that I would've liked this one the best. I have to say that I loved Jacob's pov. I love his sarcasm and humor, which he uses to cover up the pain and etc. I loved that. I also liked his chapter titles better too. I'm glad that he got a happy ending. It would've put me off otherwise. The renesmee thing was a bit shocking at first but then I found it hilarious because it was Bella's child. Also, I think the only other thing I could've easily seen happening would've been if leah and Jacob were to get together but this works too.

Renegade Raine

08-07-2008, 11:11 PM

I can only pray to GOD that I didn't act like that when I was...whatever age those girls were. I did what a couple of other people did and walked off to read some manga :rotflmao

You work at B&N, right Raine? They didn't ask you to help for the release party?

Oh my god, I was TERRIFIED. And I'm usually hard to scare. I sneaked away and started reading Watchmen myself. >.>

And I do work at a B&N (for now...in the process of looking for another job), but I lucked out and had to work during the day. I just went to the release party so that my sister wouldn't be alone. :p

Lady Orihime

08-08-2008, 02:15 AM

How do they decide that kind of thing? Do they just schedule you for it, or do you have to volunteer?

It was pretty obvious that I was going to get a copy, so my mom and I just waited until the crowd died down to get in line. Their "order of business" was all out of whack. But thank god I live in a small town, otherwise we would have been there forever. My mom and I got there at 11:50pm and got the book at 12:24am, and I think we were in the last group...but like I said, that was all messed up. Everyone just started getting in line after maybe 15 minutes of listening to the employee's :rotflmao Mostly because no one was telling us what group was next.

My mom loved "Breaking Dawn". She is turing 54 in September :lmao

Renegade Raine

08-08-2008, 02:55 AM

They asked for volunteers, but I think I managed to get the day shift, because everyone knows that I don't have a license and everyone would have to wait a long time after the store closed for my taxi to come (in the day time, I can catch a bus). :p

I work at the store, so I picked up the wristband my sister needed to get the book early. So she was one of the first fifty people to get her book (and I'm pretty sure that there were at least 300 people at my store's party). Even if I thought the plot looked ridiculous (in a bad way), my sister said it was her favorite book, so I don't know (and we have VERY similar taste). :p

Lady Orihime

08-08-2008, 04:57 AM

300? WOW! Lucky you didn't have to work that night! Dealing with all that screaming for who knows HOW many hours. :zomg

I think that there was anywhere between 50-100 people at the Borders release party I went to.

Gisella

08-08-2008, 09:13 AM

Just downloaded the book online since I heard a lot of negative reviews on it. Soooo I'm not planning to buy it. I hope it's full of lulz and less of whiny bella.

sesshoumara

08-12-2008, 04:04 PM

I came across the Twilight three-book set in my bookstore one day and have been a fan after reading the first book. I mostly read for Edward and Bella, hence book two is my least favorite book because there was a huge gap in between where Edward was missing.

Anyways, regarding Breaking Dawn, I'm pretty satisfied with the plot and ending. Loved all the Edward/Bella parts. Edward was the perfect lover as always. His love for her is so complete and selfless that he would be willing to share her with Jacob. I love the happy ending they got. Edward also finally got his wish of being able to hear Bella's thoughts at the end.

Regarding the pregnancy, even though it was unexpected, I didn't think the concept of Edward being able to impregnate Bella was way out there, maybe because I didn't keep up to date with the author's interviews and have no other information outside of what was presented in the books. I don't view vampires as really dead, just an alternative existence, a different species but also close to humans. Also, there are probably physiological differences between male and female vampires, as well as male and female human-vampire hybrids (it was hinted that male hybrids have a venomous bite and females don't). So likewise, maybe male vampires are able to produce sperm, but female vampires couldn't produce any eggs.

The only major gripe I have with the book was Jacob's imprinting on Renesmee, because I would prefer a Jacob x Leah coupling. I really began to like Leah and feel more sympathetic to her heartbreak. I also really liked how she was warming up to Jacob and how she tried to protect Jacob from Bella. She reminds me of a tsundere. But I guess the author didn't have enough time to develop them together. She needed a fast solution to Jacob's problem of getting over Bella and opted to use imprinting, which was quick, like flipping a switch.

Another thing I wasn't quite happy with was Charlie x Sue. I didn't quite understand where that came from and didn't think it was necessary.

Overall, I find the good parts > bad parts. I seriously thought there could have been a bittersweet ending with Edward dying, so the happy ending was really good enough for me. Will definitely reread the books.

Lady Orihime

08-12-2008, 09:59 PM

If Meyer wouldn't have said anything about them being frozen, I don't think there would have been such an uproar.

No, they are not dead, but they are frozen in whatever state they they were in when bitten, and venom replaced everything. The venom in their bodies would have killed the living sperm. And even if the sperm were alive, Edward and Bella can't swap spit because of fear of Bella having a cut or something in her mouth for the venom to get into, but Edward can ejaculate inside of her? Bella would have begun her transformation at conception or she would have died from the erosion of her internal organs.

This is the entire quote from Meyer's interview with the Twilight Lexicon:

Q: Do the vampires have blood in their veins even though their heart no longer pumps? What would happen if they were cut or injured in some way?

A: Most human fluids are absent in my vampires. No sweat, no tears, no blood besides that which they ingest-they don't have their own blood. They do sort of have saliva-the venom makes their mouths wet, at least. When they drink blood, it runs through their body and makes them strong. It floods through their old blood ways, though they don't have circulation anymore. It lightens their eyes* and flushes their skin slightly.

*This reminds me of a question I've answered recently. I thought it was pretty obvious, but then, I tend to do think everything is obvious (one of my editor's greatest tasks is getting me to explain myself more thoroughly). Vampires who drink human blood have dark reddish irises that fade to black as they get thirstier. If a Cullen were to drink human blood, his/her eyes would turn burgundy. It takes about two weeks without blood for vampire eyes to go entirely black. If that Cullen then returned to an animal diet, his/her eyes would return to dark gold.

Another eye note: brand-newly created vampires are recognizable by their eyes, which are a vivid, bright red due to the massive amount of human blood (the blood that was already in the human at the time he/she was changed) that lingers in the tissues. That red fades slowly over the course of a year. New vampires are also immensely strong for their first year of life, also a product of the excess of blood left in the body. This residual blood does nothing to affect thirst-young vampires are always thirsty.

And since we're talking physiology...I've had tons of people ask if vampires can have babies. The answer is no. When someone becomes a vampire, it's as if they are frozen exactly as they are in that moment. His or her (and we'll go with her because it's more central to this discussion) body no longer experiences change. Hair does not grow, nor do fingernails (if you cut your hair, you're stuck. That's why Alice's hair is so short-it was growing back from being shaved in the asylum). This applies to all changes-so a woman would no longer have any kind of ovulation cycle. If she were already pregnant when she was bitten, both she and the fetus would be frozen in that state. Which would really suck-pregnant for eternity? I'm shuddering at the thought.

If a vampire were cut, there would only be blood if he/she had freshly drunk blood (and drunk a lot). Otherwise, there would only be a bit of venom. It would be like cutting into granite.

http://www.twilightlexiconblog.com/?p=34

If the sperm was still human sperm, and not magical vampire venom sperm, then they wouldn't have had a hybird baby.

Either the sperm is:

- Venomous (which would have changed Bella)

- Dead sperm (No baby production at all)

- Human sperm that survived in a frozen body (please keep in mind that sperm need to be at a certain temperature to create a baby. Edward is supposed to be ice cold. Being too hot or too cold will not produce a baby.)

- Magical vampire sperm that is immune to venom and can survive in a frozen body.

lilsakura

08-12-2008, 10:32 PM

Yeah, I thought that that was what ruined the book. She shouldn't have said all that stuff and then go back on it. I liked the book, don't get me wrong but it still ruins one of the concepts that she has stated for so long. :(

Aoi Innocence

08-13-2008, 03:49 AM

I haven't read the twilight series yet but, from these opinions I may not even look at the book in the library.

Lady Orihime

08-13-2008, 04:40 AM

Please, judge the books for yourself. You might like them, or you might not like them ;)

emoloz

08-13-2008, 09:34 PM

I aint finished this book but already its anoying shes ruined it all imho. Guess she didn't wanted to keep the fantasy alive but it aint working on me :S

Aoi Innocence

08-14-2008, 12:59 AM

It's great to know peoples' opinions though you are right, I should judge the book by myself. I did read 5 pages of New Moon and I have to say, not impressed.

Fyrefox

08-14-2008, 01:37 AM

Aoi Innocence

08-14-2008, 01:55 AM

Ooooohhhhh! Peeps by Scott Westerfeld right? If so, you should also read the Uglies series.

Lady Orihime

08-14-2008, 01:56 AM

Personally, I never even liked the concept. Love stories just aren't that appealing, and a vampire love story? Sure, there's artistic lisence, but it almost disgusts me that she could make such a large hit out of twisting a word so far as to be almost the exact opposite.

What word? Love? Vampire? :headscratch

Meyer isn't the first to step into the vampire romance genre, though. Such as the Southern Vampire Mysteries books by Charlaine Harris. The TV show for this series debuts in September on HBO and is called "True Blood" starring Anna Paquin.

It's great to know peoples' opinions though you are right, I should judge the book by myself. I did read 5 pages of New Moon and I have to say, not impressed.

Most people like 'Twilight', the first in the series. A lot of people wish she would have stopped there.

Aoi Innocence

08-14-2008, 02:00 AM

The first is always the best in the series. I may check it out in the library. I also heard that 'Twilight' really is the best book in the series. The other books were crap.

Lady Orihime

08-14-2008, 02:21 AM

I can send you the PDF file of "Twilight" if you want? But I don't know if you're like me, and physically can't read long stories on the computer :XD

Aoi Innocence

08-14-2008, 02:34 AM

Thanks but I rather read the actual book instead of long chapters on computers(I can't take it).

Fyrefox

08-14-2008, 12:52 PM

What word? Love? Vampire? :headscratch

Either. Both. It makes little difference.

Lady Orihime

08-14-2008, 03:23 PM

Ah, okay.

Money has been made off both of those things for decades, if not centuries. Be it just about love, or just about vampires, or both ;)

cookieblue2525

08-15-2008, 08:55 AM

To be honest I've read much much better fanfics than this so called saga

twilight=EPIC :fpalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :fpalm

that it is even classed as literature scares the hell out of me:devestated

also sparkling vampires WTH is up with that :mad:

Fyrefox

08-18-2008, 12:03 AM

Now, it's time to introduce a concept scarier than Twilight fangirls: Twilight fanBOYS.

TheBP

08-18-2008, 04:24 AM

Lady Orihime

08-18-2008, 04:50 AM

^ All I can say to that is how grateful I am that I didn't get into the books until this year, and haven't been in a HS setting for three years :-_-

Dopesmoker

08-18-2008, 06:16 PM

i've heard only negative things about this series.

Kurono

09-24-2008, 07:04 PM

Sadly, I've seen my share of those. Not pretty...

I've never touched the books, and I don't plan to. They're overrated, and it's EXTREMELY annoying to see half the girls at my school fawning over some fictional character as "OMFG HES THE MOST PERFECTEST BOYFRIEND EVER!!!!!111one1".

I mean, yeah, it's okay to like some fictional characters to a degree, but to fantasize a character as your boyfriend? Tad bit unhealthy...

I dunno what's the matter with Twilight Series... If the problem is girls are all crazy for Edward... Um, well, they can't marry him, they'll have to choose a man in the real world, don't you think? xDDD

I've read all Twilight Series and I like it so much. There are some fragments that made me get sick, this is the truth, but, as a whole, the series made me have a good time.
I'm really interested in Marcus cause there are some descriptions of his expression that make me think he's more important than Aro (even though everybody knows Aro is the leader). For some reason, I think Marcus is more rational and he just leaves it to Aro because he's not interested in lead.

lilsakura

09-24-2008, 07:13 PM

Kurono

09-24-2008, 08:11 PM

Yeah, I forgot to say that. Even Stephanie Mayer said in her blog (or something like that) Jacob is soooo hot... That means girls aren't only crazy for Jacob, sorry for my last comment xD
lilsakura, I hate Jacob, but I've to admit he often makes me laugh xD

lilsakura

09-24-2008, 09:10 PM

Kurono-san: Well, to each his own, I guess. :noworry I happen to love Jake but I know there are a lot of people out there who don't like him. All of which is understandable.

StarryInoueSky

09-27-2008, 05:23 AM

Most people like 'Twilight', the first in the series. A lot of people wish she would have stopped there.

ME! I take the rest of the books after Twilight like extra baggage a.k.a fanfictions. LOL Sad but true. I LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Twilight, but not the other three... I do have a liking for four only because my fav character gets his happy ending.

and to LilSakura... I love Jacob too! :D He's the best. lol

Cara

09-27-2008, 07:54 PM

Personally, I find the Twilight series grossly overrated. I think its fatal flaw is not the pacing or storytelling, or even plot, but characterization.

Bella is one of THE WORST ROMANTIC HEROINES IN THE HISTORY OF POPULAR FICTION.

Everyone loves Bella. Bella is the most sought after girl in her new school. Bella does laundry and cooks for fun. She's a canon mary sue, if you will.
She's:

-Weak (mentally)
-Dependant
-Shallow
-Bitchy
-Obnoxious
-Clingy
-Self-degrading
-Judgemental
-A bad friend
-Selfish
-Always in need of being protected by a BIG STRONG MAN.

YET, gets everything she wants in the end, with no sacrafices made. Everyone loves Bella regardless. Everything just turns out great for Ms. Mary Sue Swan. Just becaus she's soooooo special and soooo unique and soooo remarkable. I'm not complaining about the fact that she has so many flaws. Flaws are good. It's just that she has no redeeming qualities. Oh yeah, and who could forget?

SHE'S BORING.

But I have to admit. Her Mr.Perfect takes the cake for the most boring.
He's:
-A Gentleman
-Romantic
-Considerate
-Poetic
-Heroic
-Protective

and who could forget? Hot as hell. Which is the quality Bella seems most partial to. In fact, she absolutely HAS to describe either his body, hair, eyes or "crooked smile" every thrity lines. Gimme a break. Sexy descriptions are practically the lifeblood of Meyer's writing.

Damn. I can't say anything else about him, he's so bland. He's like a ken doll with bad taste in music. And his man parts are cold and marble-y.:rotflmao

Guildenstern

09-27-2008, 10:28 PM

Cara: Bella is one of THE WORST ROMANTIC HEROINES IN THE HISTORY OF POPULAR FICTION.
-Weak (mentally)
-Dependant
-Shallow
-Bitchy
-Obnoxious
-Clingy
-Self-degrading
-Judgemental
-A bad friend
-Selfish
-Always in need of being protected by a BIG STRONG MAN.

You might have figured from my icon and sig that I was a little pissed off at the last 3 books of the Twilight series. You would be right. They are shit.

Quoted because it needs to be repeated over and over and over again until everyone understands this. And have you seen the excerpts from 'Midnight Sun', the book she was going to do from Edward's POV. My God in Heaven.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2j1sems.png

....Oh my gawd, the thought that teenage girls read this tripe and think this is an acceptable way for a man to treat you makes me want to vomit.

FoodisGood

09-28-2008, 08:49 AM

I can't even figure out how people enjoyed the first book. I read it at the suggestion of a friend who loved it and was appalled.

Not only could I not even stand Bella for everything the previous posts have said, but I couldn't even stand Edward the supposedly PERFECT man. Hello Mr. I-have-no-personality. (I mean holy crap how many times can someone stand to read his perfect body, his perfect eyes, his perfect voice, his perfect face, perfect perfect perfect). God somebody shoot me. YOU'RE A 108 YEAR OLD VIRGIN, YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME MAJOR ISSUES HERE!!

The plot I thought was boring, unrealistic and yet managed to be predictable all at the same time. -___- Only Stephenie Meyer could manage that.

When I heard there was more of the series and that the 2nd one was about Bella being emo since Edward left her, I was like "Oh God if I couldn't stand her normally, I think I'd just have to shoot something if I read New Moon."

Then the book that broke fandom came out. Breaking Dawn... after just hearing the plot and about the devil spawn, I just wondered wtf was she thinking and how the f*** this series even became popular!?

I've read fanfiction better than Twilight. Nuff said.

Marika

09-28-2008, 10:50 AM

I am very glad to see so many bad reviews on the book. Because all my friends at school are like "OOOHH!!!! THE TWILIGHT SERIES ARE SOO GOOD!!! THEY ARE THE BEST BOOKS EVER!!!!!!" :fpalm

I didn't even finish the first book. My friend lent it to me, and my other friend wanted to read it so I had to give it up to her. ^^' I only read like 5 pages a day though so it is kinda my fault. '>,>

I find it funny how everyone says that the 1st book is the best and I thought it was terrible. xD But from what I gather it gets worse and worse as it goes on. I don't think I'm even gonna bother reading the rest of the first book. And the pregnancy thing?? whoaa :eek: :devestated :XD :rofl

I know I have a limited view point, having only read like 3/4 of the book but I'll give my thoughts on it anyway though they won't be as organised and structured as yours. :P

The things that bothered me:

1) Bella Swan/Edward Cullen.
Oh...my...god.... Bella is a terrible character. She is sooo boring/bland. And that whole she attracts disasters or whatever it was was just :fpalm Because Edward just saves her from everything no matter where she is. She is such a jerk to everybody: her parents, her friends, Jacob. All the boys at school are obsessed with her and I don't see how. All she thinks about is her beloved Edward Cullen. You are constantly being reminded of how gorgeous Edward is and it gets soo annoying. Not to mention Edward's complete perfection and how girls pine over him like crazy. Sorry but I don't think even a vampire can be completely perfect. -_-'

2) Their Sick Twisted "True Love" Story
So we start off the book and they hate each other. And then all the sudden he's her knight in shining armor. There was no real development in the relationship. It was just all the sudden "We looovvveee each other so much!!!! Teeheehee!!" Maybe that would have been "okay" but it took over half the book. When i had to stop reading it was when there was finally some...uhh...plot development after 3/4 of the book?? Some random vampires came out of nowhere and we're like "I want Bella Swan's blood" or what not. Okay then. Plus their love scenes were disgusting. It basically consisted of Edward running his face along her jawline. And Bella was just like :eek::love:noes:inlove:yay:crazy:lala:thumbs From what I saw Bella was just completely infatuated by Edward's gorgeous appearance. When she didn't want to be carried by him he started kissing her and she was just like "oooh!! carry me!!!"

3) Fangirls
This is really the thing that pisses me off. These books are sooooo overrated. Everyone is just like "Edward Cullen is thee bestest EVER!! I love Edward!!!! Marry me Master Edward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Shut up now please. He has no character yet is absolutely perfect. I wouldn't want a perfect boyfriend. I would want my boyfriend to have some flaws cuz that would make him REAL. Not sure if that made sense, but I hope it did.
Also people base vampires off of the vampires in this book. They actually think that vampires don't have fangs or that they sparkle in the sunlight. My friends do this and I just about go insane. Don't base vampires off of just one series especially one that is complete and utter crap.

Jaimie

09-29-2008, 07:27 AM

Vampires that sparkle under the sun............ :rofl Seriously, who buys that crap?! It sounds so incredibly stupid. :rolleyes:

Have you guys seen this interview with Robert Pattinson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz5hNRW9RKg), the actor who plays Edward in the movie? He pretty much agrees with all the criticism people have for Twilight. It's awesome. What's funny is you can tell how hard he's trying not to outright openly insult the series, hahaha :p

"She is obsessively in love with him *grimace*" :rofl

Fyrefox

09-30-2008, 12:27 AM

Just to point this out: Vampires are bloodsucking corpses. Not pretty boys who deserve to.... well, I'll just say it involves a high building, a rope, and a certain body part. But seriously, how did she make millions writing this series? I wouldn't use the pages for toilet paper.

Lady Orihime

09-30-2008, 02:48 AM

Cara

09-30-2008, 05:19 PM

You might have figured from my icon and sig that I was a little pissed off at the last 3 books of the Twilight series. You would be right. They are shit.

Quoted because it needs to be repeated over and over and over again until everyone understands this. And have you seen the excerpts from 'Midnight Sun', the book she was going to do from Edward's POV. My God in Heaven.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2j1sems.png

....Oh my gawd, the thought that teenage girls read this tripe and think this is an acceptable way for a man to treat you makes me want to vomit.

I agree here. What ticks me off about the Edward Cullen phenomenon is how domineering and controlling his actions towards Bella are. He treats her like a dog he can yank back on a leash. Some young girls think that is romantic and "protective" but in real life those are the telling signs of an abusive boyfriend. Which is sick, if you ask me.

And I scorn the recent portrayal of vampires in popular fiction. They are so vanilla it's laughable.

EDIT: LOL At Nessie

EDIT EDIT: If vampires have no fluid, how does Edward get it up? You need blood for an erection. Or is it his venom that fills up his cold, hard, flaccid penis? Or is he so marble-y, his penis can be hard and flaccid at the same time? Which would give him a permanent boner. I can only laugh while cringing.

Fyrefox

10-01-2008, 01:47 AM

LOL! What? Vampires aren't real :lmao So no one gets to say if they are or are not 'pretty boys'.

In fiction, more recently, Vampires are always usually portrayed as 'pretty boys' and beautiful women; from Anne Rice's "The Vampire Chronicles" (American novels), to Matsuri Hino's "Vampire Knight" (Japanese manga and anime)

Are you sure they aren't real? Vlad the Impaler's body dissapearred from under the watchful eyes of monks after he died. And legends come from two places: a twisted version of the truth that became something else entirely, and drunkards with nothing better to do than tell stories and make up songs like "Pop Goes the Weasel".

And, a 'vampire' has always been defined a certain way. When you invoke the use of the word, you should follow that, or change the word you use. That's just how it works.

Lady Orihime

10-01-2008, 07:07 AM

There is no soild solid evidence that vampires are or are not real. Your proof is just like a Cathoic, Christian, etc saying to an Atheist that Jesus disapeared from his tomb and that two angels said to the woman who opened his tomb that he had risen from the dead.

But that is debatable, and should belong in that section.

The way a vampire looks has changed over the years, ever since 1837 in the Victorian era:

With the coming of the Victorian age, both the male and female vampire became beautiful and both exhibited a sexual appetite (though this was subtle due to the confines of the society on such a topic), though both vampire and vampiress retained the beauty as only a facade. In anger or distress the vampire still revealed its ugly, more corpse-like side.

........

In the literary vampire, the death-like appearance has generally been lost. Vampires now usually have very pale skin, and elongated canines, but are very beautiful, ever much more so than in life. They also gain added strength. Other attributes that the vampire gains is left up to the author. For instance, my vampires not only grow fangs and become pale, but their eye color changes-- either intensifying it's natural color or turning another one all together. (http://www.angelfire.com/tn/vampires/answers.html)

Even in historic art, a lot of them are drawn as beautiful creatures. This image of a female vampire was drawn in 1837 by Philip Burne-Jones:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Burne-Jones-le-Vampire.jpg

The fact of the matter is, if the writer of the story wants their vampires beautiful or not is up to them, for there are tales that support both of the theories that they either ugly and bloated or pale and beautiful.

balladbird

10-01-2008, 07:06 PM

LOL! What? Vampires aren't real :lmao So no one gets to say if they are or are not 'pretty boys'.

In fiction, more recently, Vampires are always usually portrayed as 'pretty boys' and beautiful women; from Anne Rice's "The Vampire Chronicles" (American novels), to Matsuri Hino's "Vampire Knight" (Japanese manga and anime)

The Allure of a Vampire (http://www.boulder.net/~dvorkin/essays/vampallure.htm)

This is one point to which I must come to Twilight's defense. The Vampire, in contemporary mythos if nothing else, is almost always portrayed to be a gothic portrayal of twisted eternal youth. The creature comes across as one to be feared, but in a strange way also envied. Even Count Dracula (who, I feel, can be called the scion of the modern vampire) was depicted as an articulate and charismatic man (though he had more socially pariahac features than the vampires to follow, I admit.) The only recent vampire who fit the description of a "hideous, blood-sucking corpse" was Nosferatu.

Twilight has many, many glaring flaws that very much deserve to be pointed out, but its portrayal of the vampire isn't necessarily among them.

Darkcountessb

10-02-2008, 12:48 PM

Once I heard about a vampire sparkeling in the sun as well as the way the book was written I said forget it. Plus I skimmed through it at Barnes and Nobles the other night. It didn't hold any interest for me. I can understand why young girls like it tho. It's got pretty boy vampires and what girl doesn't love the idea of forbidden love? Sadly, for me I can't get into it. Maybe it's my age but I just can't get into it.

Either way I know I'm going to be dragged to the new movie. It still looks horrible to me. :facepalm

Guildenstern

10-02-2008, 10:48 PM

Cara: EDIT: LOL At Nessie
SHUT UP THEIR HORRIFYINGLY PEDOPHILIAC ALL-CONSUMING PERSONALITY DESTROYING CRIB LOVE IS SO, SO TRUE

EDIT EDIT: If vampires have no fluid, how does Edward get it up? You need blood for an erection. Or is it his venom that fills up his cold, hard, flaccid penis? Or is he so marble-y, his penis can be hard and flaccid at the same time? Which would give him a permanent boner. I can only laugh while cringing.

This is something to which I have devoted more time thinking about then the subject actually deserves. It can't be the venom because then it would have turned the sperm, not that he should -have- sperm capable of knocking a chick up to begin with. Or when he *ahem* 'rode the orgasm train' he'd be shooting Bella up with 100% pure venom and if it works anything like AIDS, her goose would be cooked in no time flat. Maybe rigor mortis has set in and he wears a cup all the time to hide his special shiny glittering marble vampire woody? Maybe he died erect and it just stayed that way?

Clearly the answer is 'Because Stephenie Meyer is a crap-ass writer and ought to be ashamed for pumping out such tripe' but trying to make it make sense is so much more entertaining, isn't it?

Edit: Special aside to 'pretty vampires' debate:
Most early works that depict vampires as being attractive operate on the same principle as demonic forces in 'Le Morte d'Arthur' and other similar works of that period-- the evil always first appears to the reader/character in the story as a beautiful victimized and/or lovely and compelling figure only to play up the horror later when the facade is dropped and there is a demon underneath. I'd say it works off something like how Lucifer used to be the most beautiful of all the angels only to become the most horrifying. Satan in those old knightly stories appears to Arthur's knights most frequently as a beautiful woman trying to seduce them with sex or power. Vampires being pretty works on much the same dynamic, I think. Bright colors are natures' way of saying 'Beware!'

JuJu

10-03-2008, 12:08 AM

Twilight omg.. D= I used to be a fan actually; Sadly, I looked at it again recently, and realized..That it's not all THAT great. >.<;

I still do not get why 100 year old vampires are enrolled in high school in ze first place -- *sigh* much less falling in "love" with underaged erm girlies. D= D=

Fyrefox

10-03-2008, 12:16 AM

>> I hate it when peopel do this to my words. I don't have anything against good-looking guys, I just think that if Meyers is going to do that, he needs a bit more...flavor. He is a vampire after all. Which has always been a bloodsucking corpse, beautiful or not.

Lady Orihime

10-03-2008, 03:07 AM

No one did anything to your words. You said that vampires shouldn't be pretty boys, and that's where people have disagreed with you.

The vampires in "Twilight" are still bloodsucking corpses. Their hearts don't beat, they are cold, and they are considered dead. Really, the only two things that didn't go along with the whole corpse thing is that they smell good - they are good smelling corpses; Edward did say it best that the reason they are so appealing, in looks and scent, is so they can get their prey away from human eyes and devour. If a vampire in most ANY vampire folklore or novel wants to fit into society and not be conspicuous, they have to at least try to be as human as possible (But also in "Twilight", the wolf shape shifters, like Jacob, do comment on how they smell…sickly sweet, that it burns their noses. This is understandable because a human’s sense of smell isn’t as strong as dogs or other creatures.

And the other thing that doesn't add up with the corpse thing is the reproduction issue. I thought the whole pregnancy thing was just as ridiculous as everyone else did, especially since Meyer said herself that her vampire's can't reproduce, female OR male.

chappyrules

10-03-2008, 03:32 PM

basically the books are crap The fact that she said she belives her books to be on the same par as classics such as my beloved p&p well justs adds fuel to my fire of hatred for this saga

JuJu

10-04-2008, 07:47 PM

*sigh* The fact that Bella is practically a helpless little girlie that goes into a 4-5 (??) month depression because her boyfriend left her made me shake my head and go, "Wowzers." I mean, how irrational can one get? D= & when she starts doing dangerous stoof so she can hear Edward's voice in her head? Erm.. can chuu say, kukuku AKA insane? Just a bit..xDD;

Sloth

10-05-2008, 04:10 AM

The first book was pretty good. But then I was disappointed by the three books that followed it.

It's only an "international best seller" because it's so bloody cheesy. Sheesh.

It's tolerable though.

NakeBenihime

10-06-2008, 07:49 AM

basically the books are crap The fact that she said she belives her books to be on the same par as classics such as my beloved p&p well justs adds fuel to my fire of hatred for this saga

NO...WAY...did she actually say that! :eek: There is NO way this book of crud can compare to Pride & Prejudice!! Makes me extra angry at her and her retarded book! :mad: I doubt people are going to even give a rat's behind about her series in even 20 years time. So much for it being a classic...

Twilight is completely lame and the characters are as cardboard as the shack I live in inside my mind... Please, spare me, Stephenie Myers! You're audience are idiotic 12-year-old girls who think they're boyfriends have to look like gods or they aren't worth jack-********. Personally, I think men with red hair and yellow eyes are fugly and need blue or brown contact lenses, especially if they're super pale. That is the WORST color combo she could have imagined for a man who's supposed to be so incredibly "beautiful..." *puke*

Lady Orihime

10-06-2008, 11:41 AM

Uh, believe me, fans of the books are not only 12 year old girls. I'm 23 next month, and my mother is 53. There is even a site dedicated to moms who are fans of Twilight.

And Edward had butterscotch/topaz/gold eyes...not ugly yellow :lmao

And this:

http://i35.tinypic.com/2nbssjd.png

http://i38.tinypic.com/2cngv15.png

http://i33.tinypic.com/ajq7fl.png

http://i37.tinypic.com/ruw9dt.jpg

http://i35.tinypic.com/66z1ix.jpg

Is very sexy. But I've always thought Robert Pattison was sexy :o

chappyrules

10-06-2008, 04:29 PM

I was fine with the amount of fangirling going on about the saga as long as the books continued to suck far far away from me-but then when the interview came out from Amazon saying she believed her first book to be loosely related to p&p and her second has elements of Romeo and Juliet and the last but one was her Wuthering heights well i snapped-oh you might say she used the comparisons loosely but as an author you don't go around stating your books are related to classics NO MATTER HOW LOOSELY YOU PHRASE IT -ITS JUST WRONG(especially when your said books are about Mary sue girly girls, perverted werewolves and chauvinistic vampires with the personality of a cardboard cut out with a bag of sick attached to it):notrust
p.s. The books are also extremely anti-feminist like we are back in cavemen days
me Edward you Bella -you obey me Edward
uch I’m going to go read the REAL Wuthering Heights and Pride and Prejudice to make me feel better

NakeBenihime

10-06-2008, 09:28 PM

Lady O.: Oh, I was talking about her target audience are 12-year-old girls. She even said that herself. I know for sure women my age (30's) are totally into the books, but I don't understand why. And, personally, I don't like her description of Edward. I don't see that color scheme as being attractive for anyone. It's not good color coordination on the part of Meyer to make him look like that, in my opinion. I'm not attacking you, or anyone here, just stating my opinion and critique.

And, I agree chappy, that no author should ever indicate that their books are like the classics when there hasn't been enough time to prove that they ever will be. Give it a couple hundred years before you go around spouting that nonsense!

I have only read half of the first book and didn't read any further because I found the whole thing so ridiculous, I couldn't become motivated to finish it. So, I'll just state my problems with what I actually read, and they're really similar to everyone else's...

1. Edward is too perfect. He's a vampire who has a moral code to never drink the blood of humans. Why? Perhaps this is explained, but I find it idiotic. Why should he care about humans anymore? He would have been SO much more interesting had he been a normal vampire who DID drink human blood and killed people. Then, Bella would have been conflicted over her feelings for him, rather than so gung-ho about him. Then, Edward would have seemed a very REAL threat to her life, instead of being Mr. Niceguy Vampire. Who the heck wants that in their Vampire hunk?

2. Bella, Isabella, is so nicknamed so as to make her like Belle from Beauty and the Beast. This is the stupidest thing ever. This story is NOTHING like that one, in that Edward, the beast, is so perfect already.

3. Both Edward and Bella are BORING and I'd rather read a book on economics because it would be more interesting and plot-driven. Give these characters some distinctions from each other. All the characters, in fact, are too much alike each other. I can't keep straight who's who when they converse.

4. Characters and their names are old-fashioned for no reason. Bella is surprisingly out of touch with modern technology, very unlike modern teenagers (does she even have a cell phone?), she loves to cook for fun, she needs a man to rescue her because she just magically attracts accidents so Edward will have an excuse to save her every other minute from danger... Ugh... This would have worked 50 years ago, but not in 2008! She's not a typical teenager at all! Meyer should have done her research on teens in this day and age because she just bases Bella off of her own youth, and times have changed since the late 80's/early 90's. I know that from experience!

5. Bella is not particularly attractive, but Edward is obsessed with her and all the boys at school are in love with her? Why? There is no good reason for this. Bella is supposed to be like the female readers, so they will feel like this is all happening to them, but it's not believable, nor is their anything about her that would make her attractive to them in her personality. That would have worked, but she is as uninteresting as toothpaste! The guys are very hard-up, or just blind.

6. The Hype: Why. Is. This. Book. Series. So. Great. To. Everyone? This makes NO sense whatsoever...

Well, there's a lot more I could say about this book, but I guess I could save it for later, perhaps.

Guildenstern

10-07-2008, 12:53 AM

SM's target audience appears to be people who enjoy the idea of dysfunctional relationships and get off on women being completely submerged in the personality of a dominant, controlling asshole to the point where they have no interests and no ideas seperate from 'being in love'. The whole thing reeks of people too embarrassed to go read a proper BDSM or Laurell K. Hamilton vampire novel and instead went for the vanilla 'He hits me because he loves me and he's just being protective' route. It's disturbing and it's an extremely unhealthy view of relationships. I'm really not comfortable with the idea of anyone very impressionable or too young reading it, and I read 'The Stand' when I was 14.

If Twilight were like P&P Bella would have told Edward to shove off because he was a douchebag and Edward would have had to stop being such a creepy stalker jackhole to win her attention and esteem. AS YOU CAN SEE, that didn't happen, lolz.

Also R. Pattinson, Edward's actor, is hilarious.
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Edit, because I'm on a roll:

And furthermore, what the hell does Bella even -like-? What are her interests? Hobbies? Does she prefer jazz or alt rock? Green or pink? What's her favorite food? What kind of job does she prefer? What's her view on a single European currency, or what kind of ice cream is her favorite? What is she passionate about-- what world issues make her rage? What books does she like, what does she do in her spare time? Does she like art? Does she like science? What are her favorite authors? Flares or boot-cut?

And the answer is that IT DOESN'T MATTER, because nothing about Bella's personality is remotely important to the story, because Bella is there purely to be in love with Edward. She exists solely for that purpose and outside of it, she is a non-entity. Even when she gets cranky at Edward, Edward laughs it off as the adorable hissings of a tiny fluffy kitten swiping its dainty paw at a large fierce dog. No emotion she possesses save love, sweet love, gets her ANYTHING or ANYWHERE in all four of those books. Shit is bizarre.

Not even going into the bizarre youth-fetish cult she's got going on in the books, nor Bella's fear of growing up, nor all the Freudian issues that come along with all of that and how such issues are neither resolved nor addressed...not even TOUCHING on the whole free will subjugation issue vis-a-vis 'imprinting' LET ALONE the RAMPANT pedophilia-- the entire 4 series of books are nothing but a landmine of shitty prose bulleted with thesaurus abuse, LDS pontification, horrific relationship abuse, bad characterization, sexism, poor editing, lame metaphors and did I mention the TERRIFYING HUGE GIANT GAPING issues with pregnancy and female infertility issues? Sweet mindraping Jesus.

It's like a fanfic about social and mental disorders starring a clueless teenager and a hot guy. It's just freaking wrong.

Envy's Boy

10-07-2008, 02:58 AM

I haven't read any of these fully, however, I do work at my public library. And helping out with teen programs, I overheard a lot about this series. So I thought, "Let's see what it's about". So I take out the first book. Not even half way in...and I am thinking....Must...sacrifice...to...Jashin-Sama (Don't know who that is: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Jashin )

And from what I've learned about the rest of the books, Bella, Edward, and the mind these...things spawned from. Praise be to Jashin-Sama!

NakeBenihime

10-07-2008, 05:21 AM

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This is the MOST hilarious thing I've EVER read!!! :rotflmao :rofl:rotflmao:rofl Thank you for that, Guildenstern! :D I mean, the guy is exactly right. Edward is described by Bella as so perfect, so many times, that she's like crapping herself every time she's anywhere near him! SM needed a thesaurus for every time she felt the need to use the word "perfect." Or, maybe she should just drop the whole "Edward is the perfect man" nonsense altogether!!

I find it completely ironic that the guy who's cast as Edward in the movie version of this book, completely hates Edward as a character. He may be able to pull off a fairly decent Edward in the movie version by playing him more the way he thinks he should be, but that still doesn't make me want to waste my time and money watching a cinematic version of this garbage...

If I could rep Pattinson, I would...;)

Lady Orihime

10-07-2008, 05:38 AM

Lady O.: Oh, I was talking about her target audience are 12-year-old girls. She even said that herself.

You don't have to understand why. Thousands of things in this world don't make sense (why is a fork called a fork?), and it's just wasted time trying to figure them all out. :hug

I know for sure women my age (30's) are totally into the books, but I don't understand why.

IMO, target audiences are a moot point. People are going to read what they are going to read. I read "Superstitious" by R.L. Stine when I was 11 and the target audience for that book was way 18+, so it really doesn't matter.

I don't know where you found Meyer saying that her books were for 12 year olds, but here are some things that I found that she said:

Entertainment Weekly: Given some of the more mature themes that we talked about, is this still a young adult book?

SM: I’ve never written a young adult in my life The books are set in high school, but I’ve never written them thinking “I’m writing this for a 16 year old”, I always write for myself and I’m in my 30’s. So these books have never been a young adult project to me. I think it’s awesome that kids enjoy them, and that they find something in Bella they can relate to. I was concerned with this last one – I didn’t let my son read it and he is 11, he can read it when he’s a little bit older if he can handle it and I do think that parents should be very involved with their kids reading; they should know what it is so they can talk about it and know if it’s appropriate. http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1137819692?bclid=1155151521&bctid=1717903074

[B]How do you write in a way that attracts readers of all ages? —Pamela Dorn, CHICAGO
I didn't write these books specifically for the young-adult audience. I wrote them for me. I don't know why they span the ages so well, but I find it comforting that a lot of thirtysomethings with kids, like myself, respond to them as well--so I know that it's not just that I'm a 15-year-old on the inside! - http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1834663,00.html

I'm not trying to argue with you or anything like that, but there is always two sides to the story :amuse

The Hype: Why. Is. This. Book. Series. So. Great. To. Everyone? This makes NO sense whatsoever...

Not to everyone, obviously...but why do some people like milk chocolate to dark chocolate? It's the taste ;)

FoodisGood

10-07-2008, 05:54 AM

Oh God, if she wrote this for 30-year old something adults...Holy crap that's even more fail than if she were writing for teens.

I had read the interview over at the whysofailsmeyer LJ community. Pattinson is amazing, I'd go see the stupid movie just for him. You should check out his interview on youtube where he tries SO HARD not to insult the book. Hilarious stuff.

NakeBenihime

10-07-2008, 06:19 AM

FoodisGood: where is the link to that Pattinson interview?

Lady O.: SM said on 20/20, or some news-ish program like that that her audience was meant to be the 12-year-old female demographic. That's what she said with her own mouth, and that's what I'm going with. Plus, the book is YA, which means in book terms, the 12-18 year old crowd. So, whether SM can remember anything she needs to long enough to repeat it twice, she is writing for the YA kiddy crowd. If she wasn't sure who her demographic was supposed to be, she never would have been published in the first place. Such a determination must be decided upon before any writer can get published, so I don't know why she says one thing, and then the opposite in another interview. Blame her, not me...

Rarely is a book targeted at 30-somethings and stars a 17-year-old who only ages to 18 throughout the story. LOL! That almost never happens, so you know she meant to write for people younger than even that. Per her interviews, she's obviously just an idiot who can't remember anything she's said about her own story, and willy-nilly changes the story without even telling her audience, as she apparently did with the whole Edward having a baby deal...

You can like whatever you want to, Lady O. I'm not trying to change your mind about liking Twilight. I'm only stating why I don't like the story and why I think it fails so miserably. Love it all you want!! :D

FoodisGood

10-07-2008, 06:51 AM

NakeBenihime

10-07-2008, 06:54 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz5hNRW9RKg

My favorite line from Robert talking about Bella and Edward's relationship:

"...I want to kill you so much, every single day, every moment I'm with you, I desperately wanted to kill you. And she's like I don't care, I love you. And so well, there's something definitely wrong with her. And there's very obviously very wrong with me."

LOL

I know! Edward keeps saying that he wants to drink her blood and KILL her, but she doesn't CARE!! :eek: It really doesn't matter how in love you are with anyone, you have to care about your own life first and foremost when it's being threatened! Give me a break...

EDIT: Have you guys heard that the 5th book isn't going to get published? SMeyer is refusing to publish it because an unfinished version of it got leaked on the internet by a trusted friend of hers. I guess it's the one from Edward's POV.

Geez, she should have written the entire thing from 3rd person POV, then she wouldn't have needed to constantly change POVs during the story. How lame is this woman...?

Guildenstern

10-07-2008, 09:39 PM

Lady O, quoting SM: The books are set in high school, but I’ve never written them thinking “I’m writing this for a 16 year old”, I always write for myself and I’m in my 30’s. So these books have never been a young adult project to me.

Well no duh she's never viewed them as a 'young adult' project and wrote them mostly for herself. She's a housewife who married the guy she dated growing up, has never held a job for her own survival or lived on her own. She lived in Provo, FFS, and graduated from Brigham Young University. For the non-LDS among us, BYU is where good Mormon girls go to find husbands/get degrees. It is the most lily-white college campus on the planet. You can be expelled for swearing. They boycotted a gym that had open windows and played MTV on the screens as 'immoral'. She's never had to deal with a wide variety of humanity, never struck out on her own, and got married before she even got her BA. She writes for 30 year olds as a 16 year old girl because mentally, she IS one, and this is her idea of what a torrid love affair must be like. It's a view of a 'oooh, dangerous and exciting!' relationship from the viewpoint of a 30 year old Mormon housewife who is a teenager in her own mind. This is why the books are so popular with girls in their teens--most of them haven't had enough life experience to understand what actual relationships are like, and Meyer writes just like them (ever seen a sixteen year old girl defend their favorite godawful fanfiction online?). To her credit, Bella does come off as a fairly realistic high school girl, thinking everyone must be looking at her and that she knows better than her parents. The problem is that in Meyer's world, she's right, which shows the level the author is creating her characters at.

If she had gone full-bore with it and written 'Twilight' as a more edgy novel in the 'Wow, this guy is scary and bad and wants to kill me, this is SCARY AND BAD and I know it's scary and bad but I kinda like it' route and made it clear to the reader that Bella likes this kind of twisted relationship because she herself is twisted and likes it rough, I'd have been all like 'Oh hells yeah, vampire pr0ns" and it would have been obvious it was for older readers. But instead she wrote it as this romantic novel of desperate destined love and all the things in the novel that are scary and just plain repulsive in the dealing of Edward and Bella (and some of the other cast as well, o hai pedos) that could have been wrought to a high finish in a more gritty and realistic novel instead are spun out as being socially acceptable and even desirable underneath the rose-colored filter of 'it's true love and he just acts that way because he loves me and I can't take care of myself so I need a man to help me'. There's a line past which a reader knows they're dealing with the author's issues, and not the characters', and to people who know better than to think this stuff is normal that line gets crossed over and over again in these books to the point of absurdity. It makes me feel dirty and wrong to think of people reading these books and thinking that Edward's (and the author's) treatment of Bella is anything other than thinly-disguised 'power and control' porn. Not that there's anything wrong with power and control porn, but....it's porn, people need to realize that it's a fantasy and leave it at that.

NakeBenihime:Have you guys heard that the 5th book isn't going to get published? SMeyer is refusing to publish it because an unfinished version of it got leaked on the internet by a trusted friend of hers. I guess it's the one from Edward's POV.

Why, but it'd be a shame if we didn't commemorate that fine lost piece of the American Literary Pantheon with some screengrabbed quotes! Give some love to the highlighted bits! They're so informative:

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"I'm ordering you around and I could give and eff what you want to do, but how do I avoid the impression that I'm not a gentleman? Hmmm..."

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"Clearly, I'll remedy my possibly rough first impression by repeatedly invading her personal space without permission! P.S: I'm having sexual thoughts and this horrifies me for some reason. Did I mention I've been a virgin for 108 years?"

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"I totally wouldn't leer at you openly like that asshole Newton, honey. I'd just leer at you when you couldn't see me, LIKE LATE AT NIGHT WHEN YOU'RE ASLEEP AND I'M IN YOUR ROOM WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW I'M THERE"

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"Sweetheart, I thought we'd made clear that I don't give a flying rat crap what you think about anything as long as my whims are being satisfied, you silly klutz! Now, get your ass in my car right now, or I'll drag you in here. YES, even if you run. You adorable thing, you know there's no escape! Haha!"

And now, the crowning glory:
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....No words. I have no words. Seriously, this is some sick shiate right here.

Cara

10-07-2008, 10:05 PM

@Guildy

I THINK I'M IN LURVE WITH UR AWEZOME.

Methinks Meyer likes lolicon and hardcore S&M.

NakeBenihime

10-07-2008, 10:56 PM

"Mike-Schmike" is like the culmination and height of the humor of these books, is it not? SOOOO HILARIOUS, not!!! :rotflmao

Yeah, Edward and Bella and all the rest of the Twilight cast are boring and uninteresting because SMeyer HERSELF is boring and uninteresting. She has no personality and no sense of humor. She is a sheltered house wife who got married at 18 and only ever dated one guy in her whole life. What the eff does she know about relationships? No wonder these stories are so childish. It's like "what would it be like to date someone other than my husband?" Whoa! Are you asking this to yourself because you've NEVER dated another man besides him? :eek:

I mostly hate how arrogant she is interviews and how she congratulates herself on how many books she's sold and how many languages the books have been translated into. On Ellen she said "thirty-eight" as for how many languages "so far." Gag me with a spoon!

"I'm so great because I got the first thing I ever wrote published in only a year from the time I wrote it, and it only took me three months to write this dream I had one night. Aren't I an example of what all authors are like and how everyone gets published in the real world?" --Stephanie Meyer-freak

No, no, honey, you are NOT like normal people who struggle to get even their tenth novel published when they are 60-years-old! You got LUCKY, and you broke every literary rule in the book! You DO NOT write your dreams as fiction! This is RULE #ONE! No one wants to read about your nonsense dreams! She thought she could just go and get that darn thing published. Well, gee, aren't you grand?

I can't have any respect for this woman because she has NOT struggled in the real world with the rejection that all authors have to face when trying to get published. She just thinks that you can just write something for the first time and then everyone will want to publish it! This is absurd and not at all realistic! I can respect a guy like Kubo Tite because, unlike her, he did have to struggle for 7 years to get a working, successfully published manga in the world. He failed quite a few times before he got Bleach out there for us all to read every week. Kudos to this great man I respect who struggled and suffered, and never gave up--God bless the man and his artistic vision, which he actually has!

SMeyer, go take a creative writing course because the reason fanfiction gets published only on the internet is because it only deserves to be on a blinking white screen that hurts your eyes to stare at it for too long.

Guildenstern

10-07-2008, 11:22 PM

@Guildy

I THINK I'M IN LURVE WITH UR AWEZOME.

Methinks Meyer likes lolicon and hardcore S&M.

I love you too, honey, but your ass had better get in my car right goddamn now before I have to get out and put you in myself, in which case somebody's going to get a 'scolding' when we get back to my ancient yet inexplicably elegant and richly furnished mansion. And please don't try to run, you know Guildy gets upset when you make a scene about "what you want". What about my feelings? Aren't my feelings more important? Because I love you? WHY DO YOU MAKE ME HURT YOU, CARA, WHY

NakeBenihime: You DO NOT write your dreams as fiction! This is RULE #ONE! No one wants to read about your nonsense dreams! She thought she could just go and get that darn thing published.

Well, in her defense here, it turns out she did rather well with her published fanfiction about her dreams, because there turned out to be a rather large market for said book. As there is for most vampire porn-- I mean, Anne Rice made a killing off her early exxxxxxtremely porny erotic vampire books. What I object to here is not that she's an amateur writer or even that she's not a very good writer or that she's a nonsense writer. As an evening of watching TV or listening to the radio would prove to you, people love crap. They love to watch crap and they love to read crap, providing it's entertaining and shiny. Admittedly, I absolutely adore some books that are completely shitty and aren't worth much more literary-wise than for use as toilet paper in the woods. And that's fine.

What my major objection with these books is that what would be fitting material for an Anne Rice vampire novel (pedo, control issues, abusive relationships, etc) which is presented in said novels as being really creepy, weird, not-normal, beyond the pale etc is presented in her novels as being not only idyllic and chastely romantic but as a desirable situation for a normal teenage girl to be in, and that is JUST NOT THE CASE. The relationship dynamics between her and Edward and the choices she makes in the novels are NOT acceptable for a normal American teenage girl, and it disturbs me and angers me that people would take the subject matter of this book and style it into some kind of positive shiny moral instruction tale on the PAWAA OF TWOO RUV. It is not.

Please! For my own enjoyment, go ahead and write crap! I love crap novels. I have an entire shelf of Mercedes Lackey fantasy novels, one trilogy of which involves a gay main character whose gay soulbonded boyfriend kills himself tragically after his magical talking horse breaks their soulbond over a misunderstood case of revenge for the death of said boyfriend's twin. Later on, said gay man acquires his own magical talking pony and they go on gay adventures! In the last book, said gay also acquires a hot young red-headed seme stud of a boyfriend who is a bard (said gay main character is pushing 40, boyfriend is barely 18) and they go on magical gay adventures together before getting ambushed and raped by a roving gang of magic-proof soldiers working for an evil sorcerer who rapes said gay over his pony's saddle before cutting off his magical pony's tail and sticking it in his butt for lolz. Then gay and pony die defeating said magician while boyfriend goes home and Q_Qs over the day he will see them again. I don't argue this is incredibly, hilariously bad and has 0 literary merit and Mercedes Lackey probably wrote this with one hand down her pants.

BUT what I will argue is the idea that this is a story about twoo ruv and strange circumstances and that all gay men should want to be like the main character of the story, and that this is a GREAT book for teenage gays to read and pattern their relationships off of. Hell no! This is fantasy novel crap, and it should be read like the magical shimmery effed-up homo porn that it is. What's more, the author doesn't try to make some of the edgier themes in this book acceptable for younger people, and she doesn't try to dress up the more adult themes and disturbing aspects as being desirable or advantageous to the reader. She calls it as she sees it-- the unhealthy relationships are clearly UNHEALTHY. They're not dressed up in sequins and shiny clothes and made to look acceptable for the teenagers to read and think 'WOW, I wish I had a boyfriend who would come up with stupid plans and rope me into going along with him and use me for revenge against his enemies before wigging out 'cause his horse broke up with him and throwing himself off a building! SO ROMANTIC!'

That's all I'm saying.

NakeBenihime

10-08-2008, 05:14 AM

Wow, Guildy, that's some novel you read there...:confused:

But, I agree in that Twilight doesn't have the characters suffering the consequences of their actions, and rather has them rewarded for their vices. That is the real problem here. If they did have to pay for them, then perhaps we wouldn't be so opposed, but the goddess of Twilight, SMeyer, decided in all her literary-goddess glory that she would make their vices become desirable traits in her warped version of the world.

She really needs to live outside of her own head and see that glorifying such acts, especially to those who are young and impressionable, is going to corrupt the youth of this world. She is essentially a menace to society. She is no teacher and shouldn't be writing as if she were an authority on "what ought to be."

Syn

10-08-2008, 08:00 AM

"I'm so great because I got the first thing I ever wrote published in only a year from the time I wrote it, and it only took me three months to write this dream I had one night. Aren't I an example of what all authors are like and how everyone gets published in the real world?" --Stephanie Meyer

LOL WHAT? Sorry, but WHAT? Took her 3 months to write a piece of unbelievable shit - it sells fine, why oh why - but then she goes that's how it should go for every author? Dammit, no! No, you aren't an example at all! I don't want to see more shit like this being sold, thank you.

As for her story, it somehow freaks me out that girls and women think it's the perfect lurve, or that Meyer is an incredible author - oh shit, they did really say that -__-' - or how they want to fantasize about this perfect love :facepalm

I have a wonderful friend who loved the first 3 books and then couldn't finish the 4th - although I told her that these books weren't good - at least I'm glad she hates it so much :p

But yeah, the excerpts made me go WTF :devestated I mean, it's poorly written (and it's first POV too, I hate that), the characters are void of any substance (god forbid they had any! Their convos could be -le gasp!- interesting!), the way of narrating day by day (ALTHOUGH IT'S SO DAMN BORING AND NO ONE CARES), and not to mention... WTF are VAMPIRES doing at school? O________O' The whole thing makes no sense whatsoever, to the point where even excerpts are just a pain in the neck to read. So freaking boring, I cannot understand why people love it so much.

NakeBenihime

10-08-2008, 10:07 AM

Yup, I hear ya... I hear her fangirls saying that SMeyer is a genius... On what planet? This is earth. Which one are you on? :facepalm

100-year-old vampires in high school...lol... That gets me every time. :rotflmao Sometimes I'm thinking SMeyer meant to be hilarious with this story because it's so bad, it's funny! Like, you're daughter was the true author of the series, right? Because that would make sense!

07Janina07

10-08-2008, 04:16 PM

I picked up the first book when it was still unknown and at first read I liked it but once I read it the second time I started to see all the fatal flaws. The way Edward treats Bella is abusive, it makes me think if that is the way she treated by her husband. I don't have a problem that she marry young my problem is that she never mature farther from her 16- year-old self. People usually mature right, it is the natural way of life and onmce you hit your 30's you are supposed to be smarted than when you where in your teens.

I just can't believe that women like it. One thing is young girls with no experience that will end up seeing that what they wanted at 16 wasn't the best but married women well into their 40's liking this load of crap? It is downright ridicolous. I started to hate the series after book two. I could barely get through it and they aren't very exciting, she has this thing about writing day-by-day activities. Twilight in the hands of any other author would have been a very good book but I don't think she is cut up to be a writer. She should just go back to raising her kids and cooking pastries. The world is better off without her writing. If I wanted to read crap I would pick up trashy Harlequin novels.

Lady Orihime

10-08-2008, 08:02 PM

Lady O.: SM said on 20/20, or some news-ish program like that that her audience was meant to be the 12-year-old female demographic. That's what she said with her own mouth, and that's what I'm going with.

Er, well, the first quote I posted for you was a filmed interview. You can watch it for yourself if you don't believe me:
Sorce:http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1137819692/bclid1155151521/bctid1717896098
Statement @: 2:00

Just out of curiosity, is there any way you could remember where you got that statement from Stephanie Meyers? She didn't start doing National News shows until 2007. I watched her on "NBC The Today Show", "ABC Good Morning America" "CBS News Sunday Morning", "ABC News Tonight", Ellen Degeneres...There wasn’t a 20/20 interview, but I did manage to find one CNN interview from 2007, but all she said was:

I never felt they were just for teenagers.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwLAb7V0CXE
Statement@ 3:16

And of the rabid Twilight fans I've asked have not heard anything about that either. I’m not saying you’re a liar or anything, but seeing something for myself would be nice :o

I'm not trying to change your mind about liking Twilight. I'm only stating why I don't like the story and why I think it fails so miserably. Love it all you want!! :D

I'm not trying to change your opinion on the books, either, Nake...but the statement you made about her saying her book was meant for only 12 year olds is just not true; that's what I am debating you against.

EDIT: I just heard some girl's rant on the last Twilight book about Bella's reaction to having sex with Edward, and she was bruised and thought it was great??!! WTH!!! She really IS a masochist, isn't she?!! He freakin' mangles her during rough sex and she's all "Edward is so wonderful...!!" So glad I quit reading at the first book...

Actually, she says she can't remember much about it except that when she asked him to hold her closer, he did. And I think when she meant by "it was great" was referring to the fact that she got to make love for the first time with her husband and soul mate, which isn't exactly the norm these days (and I respect her for that). And that she got to achieve this feeling while still being human.

I'm not sure, but I also don't think she remembered her 2nd time with him, because she was in hysterics because of the dream and being preggers. But he was in better control of himself, so there wasn't a problem after that.

Guildenstern

10-08-2008, 09:01 PM

Synpants: As for her story, it somehow freaks me out that girls and women think it's the perfect lurve, or that Meyer is an incredible author - oh shit, they did really say that -__-' - or how they want to fantasize about this perfect love

Everyone loves porn, my dear Syn. Some people just like their porn in a different format. Some people like their porn with a plot. Some people want to like porn but they've got a mental block about liking -actual- porn, so they try to find softcore porn with a nice faux-moral facade and a torrid affair in order to satisfy their inner censor that what they're reading isn't actual porn but 'romance'.

In this case though, Meyer's crossed the line of 'Oh hey, pornz' into 'My work is a heartbreaking work of staggering genius and not porn at all' and that's where she went wrong. Nobody watches 'Transsexual Latina Slavegirl Gangbang 4' and thinks to themselves "Wow, the Master in this porn and Lola the transsexual slave girl have the most touching romance based off humiliation, forced femdom and relationship abuse. I want to find that kind of love someday!" Only in this case the Master is Edward and Lola the transsexual Latina slavegirl is a teenage social-avoidance disorder case named Bella. And in this case it's not about a transsexual gangbang but a 108 year old vampire with a rampant virgin fetish trying to make said teenager into his quiescent waifu.

In short-- housewives! Write more porn! Stop trying to write novels about love! You fail at it.

Cara

10-08-2008, 09:39 PM

Please! For my own enjoyment, go ahead and write crap! I love crap novels. I have an entire shelf of Mercedes Lackey fantasy novels, one trilogy of which involves a gay main character whose gay soulbonded boyfriend kills himself tragically after his magical talking horse breaks their soulbond over a misunderstood case of revenge for the death of said boyfriend's twin. Later on, said gay man acquires his own magical talking pony and they go on gay adventures! In the last book, said gay also acquires a hot young red-headed seme stud of a boyfriend who is a bard (said gay main character is pushing 40, boyfriend is barely 18) and they go on magical gay adventures together before getting ambushed and raped by a roving gang of magic-proof soldiers working for an evil sorcerer who rapes said gay over his pony's saddle before cutting off his magical pony's tail and sticking it in his butt for lolz. Then gay and pony die defeating said magician while boyfriend goes home and Q_Qs over the day he will see them again. I don't argue this is incredibly, hilariously bad and has 0 literary merit and Mercedes Lackey probably wrote this with one hand down her pants.

IT IS WRONG I FIND THIS AROUSING

PRIDE AND PREJUDICE SMIDE AND SMEJUDICE

BRING ON THE GHEY pr0ns

Guildenstern

10-09-2008, 01:39 AM

IT IS WRONG I FIND THIS AROUSING

PRIDE AND PREJUDICE SMIDE AND SMEJUDICE

BRING ON THE GHEY pr0ns

I AGREE COMPLETELY. YOU SHOULD READ THOSE BOOKS. (http://www.mercedeslackey.com/books/magic1.html)

You know, and while I'm on a tangent and on a roll, why is it that nobody ever compares modern romance shit with any of Jane Austen's other books? It's always P&P or in a stretch, Emma. Did anyone else read 'Persuasion', FFS? 'Northanger Abbey'? 'Sense and Sensibility'? She wrote other books....and why no love for any of the Brontes if we're going to wade back in time and exhume the classics to make a point? 'Jane Eyre'? 'Wuthering Heights'? 'Villette'?

...If I were a cynical person I would say it was because in most of those books the 'destined romance' never goes as planned and sometimes it doesn't go at all, and most people don't like the idea that your first love is not always 100% true and meant-to-be. CAN YOU IMAGINE?!

You know, 'Jane Eyre' is a perfect example of what Twilight should have been. Here's Jane, who is actually plain as opposed to being Bella plain, by which I mean "Plain until males set eyes on her, in which case she is strikingly compelling and becomes a supermodel if you toss some L'Oreal Paris at her'. No, Jane is not only plain, she's a flattie and a horrible conversationalist, a true victim of social avoidance disorder with some serious past/parental death trauma with a honest-to-god abrasive school situation. Plain Jane gets a job working for a handsome globetrotting bachelor as a governess to his bastard love child with a Parisian opera whore who cheated on him with a soldier. Said bachelor Rochester is very jaded about women, and also a real controlling arse when he wants to be. He's almost completely callous in his honesty, but Jane can see that underneath all his bluster he's actually a very interesting, intellectual and multi-faceted man. He falls in love with her, of course, which Jane is like 'whut' about but agrees to marry him when he asks anyway. Of course, AT THE ALTAR, the Horrible Secret (tm) that you all knew was coming comes out-- he's actually married, but his wife is insane with some kind of STD she got in the New World and he keeps her locked up in the attic. Of course, being Rochester, he's all blasee about it and tells Jane that he considers himself to be a widower because his dad made him marry her for money and she's bonkers anyway, so it's 'all cool baby, because I love you'. He then proceeds to get all controlling and be like 'Marry me anyways, lolz, eff your ideas of self-respect, whee'.

And Jane, instead of taking that shit, tells him 'Hell no' and leaves him.

Man, how cool would it have been if right when Edward had started that creepy controlling bullshit, no matter how attracted Bella was to him, if she had told him to shove off and went and transferred to another school? How awesome would those books had been if Edward had been forced to realize what a twit he was being? How much better would those books have been if the heroine had refused to eat the shitty relationship that the books ended up forcing her to ingest with a smile? Let me tell you right now that book would have been AWESOME. Also Bella would have a personality and interests and things she thought of other than being in love if she went the Jane route. How awesome? SO awesome.

Jacob could have been her pastor cousin who asks her to marry him 'cause he's going on a mission to India or something. Leah could have been the sister. OMG FANFIC

BTW I very much recommend Jane Eyre if you've never read it. Wuthering Heights was waaaaaay too Freudian for me to enjoy without ROFLCOPTER though.

Fyrefox

10-09-2008, 02:08 AM

Thanks for the Jane Eyre suggestion- I'll go check out the library tommorow, they must have them. I need a good book anyway.

debbiechan

10-09-2008, 03:32 AM

You know, and while I'm on a tangent and on a roll, why is it that nobody ever compares modern romance shit with any of Jane Austen's other books? It's always P&P or in a stretch, Emma. Did anyone else read 'Persuasion', FFS? 'Northanger Abbey'? 'Sense and Sensibility'? She wrote other books....and why no love for any of the Brontes if we're going to wade back in time and exhume the classics to make a point? 'Jane Eyre'? 'Wuthering Heights'? 'Villette'?

...If I were a cynical person I would say it was because in most of those books the 'destined romance' never goes as planned and sometimes it doesn't go at all, and most people don't like the idea that your first love is not always 100% true and meant-to-be. CAN YOU IMAGINE?!

Never read any of the Twilight series but do enjoy reading about them. I just wanted to post to say thank you thank you thank you Guildy, love, for spreading Jane Eyre love in the world. I cut my teeth on that book. And yeah, Wuthering Heights---wooh, got that dude imprinted on my impressionable romantic self but never met him so I married an Ishida Uryuu instead. :)