Anti tobacco day

[shinikage]

I know it's a kinda weird topic :p
Just want to know people's views on this. Making this thread since May 31st is world's anti-tobacco day.

What do you think about tobacco and cigarette?

It gives bad effects to health, increase the risk of lung cancer lung infection, etc.

But also, cigarette companies provide job for millions of people.

Also, it gives pleasure to people who use it, and the damage is not as bad as cannabis (lol, of course), so there might be people thinking "I can live with the damage but not without smoking"??



Personally, I prefer not to smoke and I think it'll be better for people not to smoke. Afterall, the taste is not good for people who just tried smoking recently (that even some of my friends need to 'learn to smoke'), but the addiction can remain for a long time.

Stopping the cigarette companies is kinda too much, though, since it will make many people lose their job, it's better if people just stop smoking.

So, how's everyone's view???

[Rain]

people will still lose jobs if people stop smoking

but with the hundreds of thousands of lives that are lost due to cigarette companies it would still be better for society if they stopped;)

I dont smoke, i personally think its idiotic, but others don't and if it only effects them then im fine with it

Im glad bars and restaraunts are smoke free, because those places force second-hand smoke on people, and whether that is just as dangerous as regular smoke isn't important, its still dangerous to people

[shinikage]

people will still lose job if people stop smoking
Yea, but I actually mean that slower change (like the increase of people who don't smoke) will be kinda better than radical one. Debatable, though.

[fly]

Stopping the cigarette companies is kinda too much, though, since it will make many people lose their job, it's better if people just stop smoking.

I personally feel that while we need a holistic approach should be applied in completely lodge a embargo on smoking for people - job losses is the worst leverage that a tobacco company could offer as a legitimate reason to keep the company running, and the tobacco industry alive. Of course immediate dismissal could be cruel, but then just because people lose their jobs when tobacco factories close down, why not apply the same when the economy takes a downturn? Overall i think that the reason even though anti-smoking campaigns are getting more attention and yet people smoke was because you cant just stop it. IMO, asking people to stop smoking is like asking people to stop drinking; a complete infringement of a person's right for such luxuries :p

I dont smoke nor drink, but i agree that we need more awareness on smoking issue. So that rather than a tradition (as is learning by example) i'd rather have smoking be made as a choice.

[Rain]

Yea, but I actually mean that slower change (like the increase of people who don't smoke) will be kinda better than radical one. Debatable, though.

and i suppose we could also mention that if the companies close down, then they wont have any other jobs and such (because smokers would still be aliv for a little longer at least)

fly- good point, and if its "outlawed" than smokers will still smoke, just illegally and now the industry wont be regulated and it will be even more dangerous

[Jack Van Burace]

Also, it gives pleasure to people who use it, and the damage is not as bad as cannabis (lol, of course)

Sorry, Cannabis doesn't cause cancer. I don't use it and don't want to, but besides relaxation and memory loss*, there hasn't been any proven negative effect on cannabis' behalf till this day. Cigarettes are one of the worst drugs there are.

And about jobs, there are people that work as wood-cutters in the amazon-jungle, and in rare animals commerce. That's obviously a bad employment of labor, so regardless of whether they'll loose or not their jobs, smoking is a bad habit and must be increasingly banished.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for people to start smoking. And the ones that do should try to quit, as they are sick.

EDIT: *and by memory loss, I mean short term memory loss. Long term is still active, so Cannabis being dangerous is HIGHLY debatable.

[bradc]

I tried a real cigarette before when I was cosplaying Mido Ban, before I made one out of straw; so I had some nicotine in my system from my own family members who smoke and male parental, he can't quit and he's getting old, there's point to it anyway. I love it when a fictional character smoke, but I don't agree with smoking, but banning it still won't stop people from smoking due high level of stress in certain jobs. But some people who smoke doesn't necessary die from cancer and there some who don't die from second hand smoke. Some people who quit from smoking actually die from cancer... Some people who continue smoking are still pretty much alive; what's bad for someone maybe good for someone's body and vice versa.

There is 4,000 chemicals inside the cigarette

Just basically everything used on daily basis are inside this thing

http://www.cignificant.co.uk/Other%20Pages/inside_cigarettes.htm

Our ancient ancestors been smoking since the ancient times using plants and herbs; people are still smoking from this day. But smoking doesn't necessary cause the loss of job, when there are not enough jobs created by the government for its people, and improvement in the health care system.

[Jack Van Burace]

Yeah, but I see some people working harder by "unstressing" themselves with tobacco, coffee, and other stuff. They are disrespecting their body limitations and other workers who won't "cheat" by using drugs to increase their performance. I get high levels of stress and I stop working, or get a headache. To stop is the reasonable way to do it.

If nobody was there overworking there wouldn't be a need for anybody else to go there, as there is a human limit for everyone. And if you work too much, you actually kill the point in working, because you won't have enough time to enjoy what you've worked so hard for. To do it for simply living is the same as slavery. I just hope someday everyone has a happy life, so they also prefer to go home sooner than work even more because they have nothing to go home to. It's a shame that people with nothing to loose keep mining our everyday peace.

And I do agree that certain jobs are a lot more stressful, but they should get paid better for taking that stress or hire more people to help with it, instead of expecting people to cope with it like that, lol! If nobody is willing to accept it, they'll pay more and hire extra workers. It's just the matter of a lot of people who are willing to sacrifice themselves, and I blame it on the lack of good things in their lives, or even options for making a living.

[bradc]

Tell that to my favourite seiyuu Toriumi Kousuke (Szayel Aporro) who smokes two - three packs of cigarettes a day, and drink tons of beer; feeding himself what he would call it his happy stuff :yell This guy just keeps trudging along!!!

But some people aren't overstressing themselves but simply enjoying life by winding down. It maybe obscene but some people find cigarettes help them relax, which for some people it doesn't. But other than I don't like the smell of it, but what can do about it when male parental in my house who still smokes. I had discussion with female parental about male parental smoking; there is no use to tell him to quit being at Age 60.

[tari101190]

i posted this in the other thread, maybe the 2 threads will/should get merged anyway...

smokin's banned in ALL public places in the uk now (yay!), but it's still allowed on the streets (the most public place of all), so that's bad i guess.

i don't see why it's legal anywhere around the world. i understand that if they stop it suddenly ppl will suffer from withdrawal symptoms which could cause problems, but after a while with multiple laws theyy can phase it out, and eventually ban it, but not right now.

smokin is so stupid. it kills you and every1 around you. it's the worst thing ever, and i HATE that it's still legal. but like i metioned above, they can't just stop it or we'll suffer consequences. though they could still try it...

there was talks about making a smoking licence that you have to pay for. so if you wanna smoke you have to pay to get the licenece etc. that wil put (young) ppl off, which will phase smokin out quicker.

*remember kids, smokin killz EVERYONE around you, not just you.*

and when i walk down the street and i see parents smokin while pushing their babies in prams, i just feel like killin the parents. i just stare at them and look really angry. it makes me so mad. it's sick! that is murder no mater how you look at it. their tiny lungs can't handle that surely!!! it's evil, why would you do it?!

highly unlikely scenario:
"i would LOVE if non-smokers started sueing random smokers for givin them lung cancer. that wold be great. they would definately have the right to. practically atemptive murder in a way. if enough ppl did that, they'd probably ban smokin quick."

anyway, i hate smokin etc, sorry if i got a little worked up...

[CeriaHalcyon]

Some Florida police precincts are now banning all new recruits from smoking, under penalty of firing. i used to know a police chief, i dove and fished with him and he used to smoke like a steamship and his kids hated it.

[shinikage]

Hmm, interesting views, everyone.

It's true that smoking will also give the damage to people around, so that other people will also get the bad effect.
@Jack: Is that so? I should try to find the source.


Some people who quit from smoking actually die from cancer... Some people who continue smoking are still pretty much alive
Actually, this is all about risk. Smoker has higher risk to develop cancer, not a certainty. People who don't smoke and those quitting smoking can still get lung cancer but it's more likely in those smoking. I think it can be related with lying on the road? You don't necessarily get hit by a car but... lol.

[bradc]

Hmm, interesting views, everyone.

It's true that smoking will also give the damage to people around, so that other people will also get the bad effect.
@Jack: Is that so? I should try to find the source.



Actually, this is all about risk. Smoker has higher risk to develop cancer, not a certainty. People who don't smoke and those quitting smoking can still get lung cancer but it's more likely in those smoking. I think it can be related with lying on the road? You don't necessarily get hit by a car but... lol.

Umm... Lying on the road where there are cars, will likely have a bigger risk of dying. Whereas lying on a remote area part of the road with no cars, in middle of where, would be entirely different scenario with chances of living. If tobacco is just as bad; the government should ban gambling as well... But Las Vegas isn't going anywhere since the place is fulled with smokers, dungs and alcohol addict user and well gambling away their life savings. Addictions will always addictions...

People enjoy taking risks because it allows them to push their limit that gives these people meaning for 50/50 to risk their own life in a game of chance. Smoking is just the same as gambling, how much of one's life is willing to lose everything and how much can it be won by fighting back cancer? The human body is made up of white blood cells and cancer cells, but either way even the most healthiest person in the world who doesn't smoke can get cancer, and die just the same.

[earthforge]

tari: *pats* I think I'll follow along.

bradc: If you think that the chances are simple 50/50, your wrong. We're not talking about a Boltzman distribution line. The human body is the most valuable thing for one's self. If you smoke, you indeed do destroy it. It's not a natural cause of death that becomes of it, but a violent unnatural kind. Trust me, my step-grandmother died two years ago because of that.

The jobs reasoning is looney. I can understand and sympathize with schoolteachers losing there jobs, but not casinos and smoking companies. They get millions already.

It is a disgusting habit, and it destroys everyone around you. There is nothing about chances here, because the chances are near absolute. Your body will not be working as efficiently, and you could suffer other things besides cancer. There are no safeties like a roller coaster (which is a thrill ride) to prevent death. It is a one-way ticket to ruination. so therefore, your argument is flawed.

[bradc]

tari: *pats* I think I'll follow along.

bradc: If you think that the chances are simple 50/50, your wrong. We're not talking about a Boltzman distribution line. The human body is the most valuable thing for one's self. If you smoke, you indeed do destroy it. It's not a natural cause of death that becomes of it, but a violent unnatural kind. Trust me, my step-grandmother died two years ago because of that.

The jobs reasoning is looney. I can understand and sympathize with schoolteachers losing there jobs, but not casinos and smoking companies. They get millions already.

It is a disgusting habit, and it destroys everyone around you. There is nothing about chances here, because the chances are near absolute. Your body will not be working as efficiently, and you could suffer other things besides cancer. There are no safeties like a roller coaster (which is a thrill ride) to prevent death. It is a one-way ticket to ruination. so therefore, your argument is flawed.

Smoking destroys everyone around me?

I guess I shouldn't be around my own loving father then otherwise, who has been smoking since the teenager years in the 50's. If the mother smoking with a pragnant baby still in her stomach, then that's a scenario to be worried about... But some people still choose to smoke, it's hard to give up any addiction when a person starts, same with gambling at casinos and among other drugs.

Fascination with Japan; most people in that country still smoke, but they haven't choosed to ban it and carton of cigarettes can be bought from vending machines. What can you do about it, when elsewhere are still smoking up a storm?

[earthforge]

brad: I suggest another method: get your father unaddicted. It's not impossible. My father did it with my grandfather. For example, poking holes in the cigarettes works. And he will go into rages. But there is know romanticism about smoking that can work to support your reasoning, and the classicist reasoning abolishes the thought. It does affect you. The second-hand smoke contributes to those around you. The degree to which varies, but the effect is still present.

It is possible to get away from addictions. It's not a "do it or die" situation, but it is difficult. It is also possible to get anybody addicted to anything. Psychology lesson. Just because it's hard is no reason to perish the thought.

Spread it. It will be obviously be more difficult for Japan to adjust, but if they do it slowly it could work. The simple fact is that smoking contributes to killing you.

[bradc]

brad: I suggest another method: get your father unaddicted. It's not impossible. My father did it with my grandfather. For example, poking holes in the cigarettes works. And he will go into rages. But there is know romanticism about smoking that can work to support your reasoning, and the classicist reasoning abolishes the thought. It does affect you. The second-hand smoke contributes to those around you. The degree to which varies, but the effect is still present.

It is possible to get away from addictions. It's not a "do it or die" situation, but it is difficult. It is also possible to get anybody addicted to anything. Psychology lesson. Just because it's hard is no reason to perish the thought.

Spread it. It will be obviously be more difficult for Japan to adjust, but if they do it slowly it could work. The simple fact is that smoking contributes to killing you.

We tried... But what's keeping alive is probably drinking lots of tea and playing sports. But stubborn people remain stubborn... Even eating habits, among addictions are hard to give up on since it becomes a daily routine. Then again, I don't see him often to smell the second-hand smoke from several thousand miles in Asia...

[IngenuityGap]

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and the damage is not as bad as cannabis (lol, of course),

And what information did you use to come to this conclusion?

[shinikage]

nothing. Sorry, I didn't even find any references about cannabis :D -_-

Adding a fact: 87% of lung cancer death are due to smoking.

[IngenuityGap]

nothing. Sorry, I didn't even find any references about cannabis :D -_-

Ok, that's cool. I just know there are some discredited studies that push that POV. =D