VIZARDS'S HOLLOWS??

[Devilman3999]

Hey guys what's your opinion about their inner-hollows?...do you think they are like Ichigo's?? you know like a hollow version of themselves?? same as shirosaki looks like ichigo..or do you think they have like regular looking 1's?

[shinigami13]

Hey guys what's your opinion about their inner-hollows?...do you think they are like Ichigo's?? you know like a hollow version of themselves?? same as shirosaki looks like ichigo..or do you think they have like regular looking 1's?

i think theres are just like ichigos cept' there are different power levels,and different behaviors.....and obviously different forms and designs but ichigo's inner hollow looks the coolest...

[Rain]

Devilman3999- lol, im suprised this thread isn't about shirosaki:D

i bet that all the inner hollows are like that (look similar but act different)

whats really interesting is whether all inner hollows act the same, or if someone who is naturally violent will have a more peaceful inner hollow

[NightMare]

so imagine the fatty one.....(his hollow must A DEVIL ONE!!!!:lmao)

[BleachOD]

Ok...This is a subject I put much thought into
Why type it again...I am quoting myself
I wasn't going to say anything...but I am seriously bored. So here goes...

It's safe to say that Ichigo is a Vaizard. It's also safe to say he is he got his Hollow powers at the same time he discovered his own Shinigami powers; in the shattered shaft...aka Urahara’s pit.

Not from his parents. There is no evidence to suggest that Isshin was born with an inner hollow and it goes against everything we know about how hollows are created.

Although it has never been said whether Ichigo's mother was human or not; I believe it is safe to assume that she was not a Shinigami . Because two spirits should have a spirit baby. So unless he has a gigai that grows with him...He's part human. This would account for his having a chain of fate when he was just a normal plus. Grand Fisher said he ate her instead of Ichigo…because he liked eating women.

Since it has already been said that Zankpakuto is a direct reflection or manifestation of the soul’s spirit power (I didn’t say person, because I am talking about Shinigami/Pluses) It is safe to say that Zangetsu was latent inside of Ichigo his entire life. However I believe that, his being part human was like a seal. But being that his Reiatsu is immensely powerful, it still leaked out…so he could only see spirits. He could have had these powers naturally (Because we’ve seen some Shinigami become so after they died. I.e. Rukia.) But it’s more than a possibility that he inherited his from his father.

Though Urahara knew that Ichigo was using Rukia’s powers, I believe Urahara always knew Ichigo had latent Shinigami powers…LONG before Ichigo met Rukia. (He knew of Grand fisher murdering Ichigo’s mother…He could have found out afterwards, but I doubt it)

Although Byakuya took only Rukia’s powers…He still turned Ichigo back into the human with latent powers. I believe that because Byakuya destroyed the Chain link and the Soul Sleep. The ONLY way Ichigo could awaken his own powers was to become a Hollow or a hollow-like being..More commonly known as Vaizards.… Since he could no longer become a Shinigami, even though he had the hidden power of one.

I believe that Zangetsu materialized in the form of an older man…Hero type. Due to Ichigo’s character…He has an old soul, and cool so he has a bad ass sword. Oigichi, who said that he was once one with Zangetsu, I believe he meant in the form of Reiatsu and not the actually Avatar (Old man) of it. I believe he meant before Ichigo awakened his own powers.

See I don’t believe he is really a Hollow. I believe the left over by product of almost becoming a hollow merely causes the Reiatsu to split into a Shinigami-like one and a Hollow like one. In other words instead of just the Zankpakuto the other half of the Reiatsu cannot return, or even become part of its original Shinigami form (But they can coexist) …so in manifests itself in the form of a mask. This allows the Shinigami to also use Hollow powers as well as his former powers, WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING A REAL HOLLOW.

I believe Oigichi’s appearance is like Ichigo’s for this reason. He represents the dead-almost-dead soul of Ichigo and originated from Hollow origins. So his appearance is something in between. I believe that once the mask was formed he was no longer a part of Zangetsu. (They were both born at the same time) He just used to be. I believe the reason only Zangetsu had the power to call him out and was dominate…Was because he was still sealed in the form of the Mask Ichigo carried around and he like Zangetsu had to be released.

So Ichigo could at first only see in his world and was not able to call him out like he did Zangetsu during his fight with Zaraki. I believe since he was created because Ichigo was in a state near death. He had to be released the same way. So you could say that the partially formed mask was like a second Shikai (Ichigo vs. Byakuya) and the fully formed masked is like the Bankai (Ichigo vs. Grimjow…Pick a round) Oigichi to me is just a Zankpakto in the form a mask.
Once he was fully released. He can out at anytime like Zangetsu in the Soul-Slayers realm, but unlike Zangetsu who is always released. He has to be called out by Ichigo. I think that because Ichigo has turned into a hollow then back to Shinigami-hollow-Vaizard. (Twice) I believe that he has another form that is somewhere between hollow and Shinigami…Much like how when he goes Bankai…His clothes and speed resembles the Old mans. I think that there is a level beyond the Mask.

I also believe the Hollow never wanted control of Ichigo. He said many times he is Ichigo's power. If he did he wouldn't have instructed him, he'd could of kill Ichigo if he'd wanted to at that time. Instead he changed forms and showed Ichigo his own weaknesses. I believe that although he is the dark side of Ichigo he wants Ichigo to be the king, and not the Horse. He just wants his king to trust him in battle and to admit that he is a natural fighter and not the wuss KT has turned him into (I almost want him to die...for that. But No Kubo=No Ichigo so the bastard gets to live).

Since Ichigo always depends on Zangetsu. Oigichi had to be the one to give him that instruction. Like Zangetsu taught him his Bankai...Ogiichi had to teach him his form of it. I believe that they were once the same when they were just latent spirit power, but they are now two separate types of spirit power that co-exist, inside one soul..

What is I want to know is….Since he gave Chad and Orihime the powers they have now…

By them just being is his presence (While using Rukia’s and not his own…This is in the Manga. Anime said it awakened them instead of giving it to them) What I want to know is after his powers mutated and he became a “Vaizard”….Did it cause Orihime’s power to become more like the Vaizards, and Chado’s got effected by the Hollow Reiatsu instead so his mutated to become more like a Hollow’s? Or was it like that in the beginning…which if was…that blows away everything I just typed.

[couch_kamote]

I think all Vaizards have versions of themeselves as their inner hollows.

[Luhy]

it'd be fun if they were total opposites like someone said... a violent person having an innocent inner hollow x.x lol more than likely they would all act like Ichigo's did, with only the details of appearance being different

[couch_kamote]

Yeah, I also think they'd be the opposite of their Vaizard version. I wonder what Hyori would be like...she could be a wholesome and sweet teenage girl.

[Luhy]

what about um... Mashiro? that green-haired ditsy weirdo? XP she could be like Haji... all serious... lol o.o

I'm intrigued how Hollows regain certain memories as they evolve... but Shinigami gain nothing as they embrace their inner hollow...

[couch_kamote]

Hmm...probably since Hollows used to live and had memories. Unlike Shinigamis who were born as spirits.

Then Shinji would be a gentleman.

[Primera Espada]

Where did this opposite idea come from?

Ichigo's hollow side isn't his opposite. He acts a LOT like Ichigo. He's ichigo's will to fight. Remember that a zanpakuto is born of the will to protect, the hollow is born of the will to attack (dominate, etc).

You can't really say "what would the vaizards inner hollow be like" though, cause honestly, they are all post-incident examples. Ichigo is growing more and more like his hollow self, *especially* when he uses his mask. He is understanding that there's a time to fight for the sake of protecting, and there's a time to fight for the sake of fighting. Remember the whole speech about him and grimmjow being alike?

Hiyori is very agressive, especially when using her hollow mask. Shinji is aloof normally, and downright cold when using his mask. I imagine Mashiro, who gets upset easily, and is childish, most likely has a hollow who is basically throwing a temper tantrum. Kensei is likely ruthless (he's a very militant guy). The only ones we really have to wonder about is Hacchi, Rose, and Love. Each have shown so *little* of their personality it's hard to tell how their hollow side would act.

[Luhy]

perhaps people just like to have fun coming up with random ideas? not everything is to be taken seriously... lol

I wonder if Lisa's hollow would spend as much time thinking and preparing the way she does~ would be interesting to see her meet Uryu and make IshiNemu fans rethink the pairing too XP

[couch_kamote]

Hmm..

Assuming the theory was true.

Lisa is a little bit shy and likes to read doujins right?.

So I guess her Inner Hollow would be someone who's aggressive but doesn't like doujins? These two traits are kinda contrasting right?

[BleachOD]

Funny but I mean the killer instinct no heart having kind opposite. The dark side of everyone.I mean that's why his avatar is like that. Zaraki likes bloody fights but he isn't a merciless killer. That form of reiastu is mutated so it has a hollow-like mentality. It IS what Ichigo would be if he was a creature of Instinct.

Whereas Shinigami have one kind of Zankpakuto that is a reflection of the their type of spirit power. Vaizards have two kinds one that is sealed in sword and one that manifest in form of Hollow Mask.(The hollow side is a the hidden darkness and is a distorted reflection unlike the sword which is more like the true self) I think Zangetsu is more like Ichigo in personality and the Hollow is just looks. Both are reflections of him but on different levels. I am too sleepy to go further. Be back...

[shinikage]

I think ohgichi's personality was formed from part of ichigo's personality. Does anyone remember ichigo's first fight with renji? He really looked like ohgichi/shirosaki/hichigo back then. Somehow, i actually think that ichigo actually has been hollowish from the very start (because of that fight).

[Velius]

I would think that all the hollow sides of Vizards are going to be aggressive, since it is the way of natural hollows. They probably do resemble whoever they are apart of, since we really don't have reason to think otherwise. Personality wise, it's very possible that they all could be unique.

[Fazal-sama]

Yeah, just like everyone said it works the same way for everyone.

[mebidtt13]

I think Ichigo's is a little different. I mean, the main character is usually special xD

[Nibbles]

I agree, medbidtt, Ichigo is special. Hence that's why everyone says in the middle of a fight that he looks like... and something interuppts them. Maybe he's the one who's gonna bring an end to the sith? But back on topic. An inner-hollow is the manifestation of one's deep, down self. Meaning, Ichigo can really be that phsyco, let's hope it doesn't unleash whille he's in a romantic moment with someone. It's not that there the opposite their just, more carrismatic and, well, evil.

[Jack Van Burace]

Ok, since we're seeing somewhat similarities that Kubo seems to have pulled from other mangas, I found this:

http://www.amazon.com/rose-Versailles-Riyoko-Ikeda/dp/B0007CDVUM

Perhaps this is where he got Rose's inspiration from. It's about a girl raised as a man to be the successor of her father. If this has any real link to Rose's character, I'm betting Rose's inner hollow will look like a woman! xD Of course, I'm just making a senseless bet here. Assuming that next chapter we'll see all the remaining hollows. u.u

Others that I would bet on:
Shinji's hollow being some crazy samurai Shishio style; Hiyori's hollow being either a one-horned Oni or a beetle-like hollow; Hmmm, and that's it! lol Can't bet whatsoever on the others, as there is absolutely no clue to them as of now. I mean, because of Love's heart shaped hilt, I could bet his mask is a Hello Kitty, but my denial stops me from believing the possibility! xD

Anyways, next chapter we'll most likely see how they all look like, so perhaps this thread should become (after we find it out) the thread for understanding what's the meaning behind the inner-hollow forms (such as Mashiro's Kamen Rider Black looks). Just a proposal, to save time later! ;)

[Budo]

I think ohgichi's personality was formed from part of ichigo's personality. Does anyone remember ichigo's first fight with renji? He really looked like ohgichi/shirosaki/hichigo back then. Somehow, i actually think that ichigo actually has been hollowish from the very start (because of that fight).

Well, I recall shirosaki saying that he and zangetsu were both part of Ichigo's power from the start. And since Ichigo had hidden shinigami powers from the start...:rolleyes: