Does Yumichika have Bankai secretly?

[Luhy]

I couldn't sleep last night, and for the first time since episodes 1 through 13, I watched the anime in English on Cartoon Network... I noticed something I may have overlooked as well... With all the fighting going on, I never noticed that when Yumichika explained why he took the 5th seat, he activated Shikai without saying its name...

It started to pour out some very fancy pink shiny feathers or something too, and he defeated Hisagi Shuuhei without having a single hair fall out of place... Now, they're both on Vice Captain level in my mind, so how did he defeat someone like him so easily?... We know that he doesn't wanna challenge Ikkaku for the 3rd seat because it doesn't really matter to him enough, and that Ikkaku secretly had a Bankai that he didn't bother showing us until Arrancars invaded Karakura Town... What do you think, does Yumichika Ayasegawa have Bankai? ;p

[Rain]

Luhy- he was already in shikai (his sowrd had the four curved-blades) and the energy-sucking ablility is most likely just an attack it has

i think of it along the same lines as Ichigo in shikai, and then using the getsuga tensho, or hinamori using the pink fireball thing:D

and we see later on when hes having a conversation with his sword that he was having an argument with the spirit, so that to me says he was trying to get closer to having bankai, and hasn't attained it yet

[Luhy]

Actually for several sentences he had only a single blade~ then out of nowhere, the other three "bloomed" as he would call it... without a proper command, that kind of makes you wonder...

[Rain]

:headscratch

but his sword was curved, and thats not the normal shape for his unrelease sword, so i'd think he must have been in shikai

and i though the other three blades were there beside the original, and he can just kind of seperate them if he wants

I don't think he has it, but i suppose it isn't impossible for him to have it

[tari101190]

no he doesn't have bankai.

he was trying to learn to materialze fujikujaku in chapter 229. if he can't even do that then he obviously doesn't have bankai. since it is a major requirement, if not the main requirement.

there isn't really anything to debate about...

[Shdo]

it open like when once ikkaku and renji open they dont say the name each time they retract their stuff.

i dont think he have bankai.


the reason he beat hisagi without harm is because he suck hisagi energy and heal himself.

[Grey1x]

no he doesn't have bankai.

he was trying to learn to materialze fujikujaku in chapter 229. if he can't even do that then he obviously doesn't have bankai. since it is a major requirement, if not the main requirement.

there isn't really anything to debate about...

What you said has no sense, we are talking about "secrecy", so, if he showed he could materialize it he would reveal it don't you think?

[HGChristian]

I think that he did not release his bankai. he just showed its true power, which was kept a secret, otherwise he would not have been allowed into kenpachi's squad...

[Rain]

Grey1x- being able to materialize your zanpkautos spirit doesn't mean you have bankai (although it does mean you're closer)

but this doesn't change anything

at a certain point, we could say anyone has bankai if they just keep it enough of a secret:lmao

[EX|pada #0]

I think not. Against Shuuhei he just used the special ability of your zanpakutou (drain reiatsu from enemy, you know). And seriously, if he is strong enough to have bankai, he is, at the same time, very weak to have to use this against a vice captain.

[tari101190]

What you said has no sense, we are talking about "secrecy", so, if he showed he could materialize it he would reveal it don't you think?
what? you say i make no sense? don't you read the manga properly?

here is trying to learn how to materialze fujikujaku, but saus he can't. why would he be trying to hide that he can do it, but be very open about the fact that he'strying to learn it?

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what you wrote diesn't make any sense actually. it's like your disregarding what happened in the manga, and making up your own plot to satisfy yourself.


I think that he did not release his bankai. he just showed its true power, which was kept a secret, otherwise he would not have been allowed into kenpachi's squad...
and what are you talking about? if you mean when he faught shuuhei, the speical thing he did was use his kidou type zanpakutou ability to suck shuuhei's energy. and he would be allowed in the 11th division, he said if ppl knew they would tease him about it cos they think only brute force types are good.

this isn't proof really...but if he can't beat shuuhei in a fight then i doubt he is even close to bankai.

here shows shuuhei, looking totally unharmed, with his back to yumichika, blbeeding, panting and sweating.

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yumichika had to drain his energy to 'beat' him.

[Grey1x]

I think few people understood what Luhy meant about the energy leeching ability. He didn't meant it was his bankai, he said it was his shikai and that he called it without saying it's name. Calling out the shikai without saying the name means you have Bankai. And Rain I knoew bout that but materialize = really close, and he would reveal a lot and create suspicions if he could do so :)

[Rain]

Grey1x- i understood that luhy meant that, and thats why i said that he was already in shikai, which is why he didn't have to call it

and yeah being able to materialize means you're closer, but just being able to do it isn't suspicious in any way.

Yumichika materializing the spirit wouldn't make anyone thing he is close to having bankai or that he has bankai

[HGChristian]

i totally posted this huge reply but my comp freaked so ill shorten it....his shikai power is to absorb the opponents spirit power and use it...but because kenpachi's squad can only have melie (cant spell i know) attacks, he wouldnt have been allowed

[imamess]

It's not a matter of being allowed to have a kidou-based attack, it's just that he'd get made fun of in the 11th Division. Ikkaku makes fun of Iba for learning more kidou to be well-rounded, which got him the promotion to vice captain of the 7th.

He was still trying to materialize his spirit last we saw him, and we don't know how long that takes. Plus, it wasn't exactly easy for him either. Materialization is assumably the longer process, since when Renji came to Ichigo when he was training, Renji had already materialized Zabimaru, and the doll forcibly materialized the spirit to shorten the process. Since the time frame for someone aside from Ichigo, who is generally considered an anomaly amongst shinigami, hasn't been stated and has only been alluded to taking a long time, I don't think he has it yet.

The secrecy has pretty much been done in since he was trying to communicate with his sword in front of Matsumoto, Hitsugaya, and Ikkaku. Unless it's some facade and he's lying about communicating with his spirit, but you can't really argue that. It's just a guess. Plus, as a plot device, it's been done. To have more shinigami come forward and say, oh yeah, I've got bankai too. I just never told anyone. would wear a little thin. I didn't even like it when they did it for Ikkaku.

[Grey1x]

I also didn't liked it when they made it for Ikkaku.

Btw Tari sry if I acted rude in anyway, it wasn't my intention.

About the Shuuhei being unharmed thing, he was unharmed till Yumichika shown his true power, and owned him unharmed right away.

[gab00n]

I don't think he has reached it and I haven't seen anything remotely indicating that he might anytime soon. It wouldn't suit his character plus I don't think he is strong enough to warrant having bankai.

[Velius]

I don't think he has it mainly because I don't think Kubo would use the same card again that he used with Ikkaku. Plus the fact that he was struggling with materialization, pretty much say no. :D

[couch_kamote]

Yeah, I agree with Velius, doing so would repeat what TK did with Ikkaku. Plus, there this episide where Yumichika and Rangiku were both having trouble materializing their Zanpaktou. With that said, i's dafe to say that Yumi still hasn't been able to reach Bankai.

[rvngu]

i think his bankai is to make him prettier lol. no but seriously, i don`t think he has, he`s not really a fighter really (what is he doing in 11th div anyway). but he does keep secrets so who knows, maybe he train secretly

[couch_kamote]

The least we are sure of is that he's training to materailize his Zanpaktou and acheive Bankai. Other than that, we don't know.

[rvngu]

oh does he? guess i'll have to rewatch some episodes. which one was the training?

[tari101190]

oh does he? guess i'll have to rewatch some episodes. which one was the training?
chapter 229 shows the training. the same episode luppi, yammy and wonderwice arrive.

if you read previous posts you will see it's talked about.

[rvngu]

thanks and i'm too lazy to read previous posts. but his bankai could be like a massive reiatsu absorber ;)

[couch_kamote]

That's ok. I have a slow server so I really don't have time to read previous posts from other pages too.

It could be like a giant sponge and it could absorb all Reiatsu from a certain radius.

[rvngu]

lol a giant sponge. and then he squeezes it on himself and makes him stronger. that would be actually be quite powerful

[couch_kamote]

Yeah, imagine if he would absorb Ichigo, Kenpachi, Yama, Aizen, and all the others' reatsu. He would be invincible.

[Luhy]

anyone else find Innuendo with that?... Yumichika sucks everyones reiatsu x.x lol but yea... if he really could do all of that... i doubt there could be anyone in the Bleachverse even capable of piercing his skin

[couch_kamote]

Hmm...never thought "Yumichika sucking everybody's reiatsu" could mean something else, until you posted.

[savantnicholas]

I don't think that Yumichika has achieved bankai yet.

From a Wikia entry [but these things are not entirely reliable]:
Not Yet Achieved. It is also assumed he's trying to learn his bankai, though Fuji Kujaku is just as narcissistic as Yumichika himself, leading Yumichika to comically yell at his sword while trying to break it against a boulder.

[DelMarch]

(I'm not sure what the policy is about manga vs anime spoilers, so I'll put my post under Spoiler tags just to be safe...)

You know, now that we know that "Fuji Kujaku" is not his zanpakutou's real name, it DOES become interesting that he was able to release his real shikai without calling it.

Would Ruriiro Kujaku allow Yumichika to call on his real shikai without calling him by his real name? That's very iffy. It would already be iffy for a more normal zanpakutou, but it becomes downright implausible for one as supposedly narcissistic and self-centered as Kujaku is supposed to be. And yet that's apparently what happened against Hisagi: we went straight from Fuji Kujaku's false shikai to Ruriiro Kujaku's true shikai, without Yumichika calling his zanpakutou by his real name in the meantime. It does make me wonder...

As for the "training episode": it doesn't mean anything anymore in my opinion, now that we know just how much Yumichika was lying during it. Of *course* he can't get Fuji Kujaku to materialise... since Fuji Kujaku doesn't *exist*! That doesn't mean he can't get *Ruriiro* Kujaku to materialise, though... All we know for sure is that whatever argument he was having with his zanpakutou that got him so annoyed was *not* about getting *Fuji* Kujaku to materialise.

So could he have bankai? Yes. Do I think he has it? Most probably not, because I don't see Kujaku giving him bankai when he won't even use his real shikai. And even if he does have it, he can't have been practicing with it much, so it would be pretty weak.

[Revan1990]

Interesting question and explanation, but I think we can be pretty sure that Yumichika does not have bankai...first of all he said to Matsumoto that is Zanpakuto is so selfish and that would be the reason why he did not master bankai yet...of course you can say he lied, but why should he?
I'm not sure about this, but didnt yumichika tell the fraccion he fought(I dont remember the name anymore) that the big flower thingy was just his real shikai and not his bankai, cuz he doesnt have bankai(yet)...??

[DelMarch]

first of all he said to Matsumoto that is Zanpakuto is so selfish and that would be the reason why he did not master bankai yet...of course you can say he lied, but why should he?
I'm not sure I understand your question?

I mean, we KNOW he was lying about his zanpakutou's name. We know he was lying when he said that Fuji Kujaku was this and that, because there is NO Fuji Kujaku. Now I do think that it's very possible that his zanpakutou is everything he said nonetheless and that because of this, he can't get it to materialise under whatever name. All I'm trying to say is that we can't take anything he says at face value - because he's a liar.

I'm not sure about this, but didnt yumichika tell the fraccion he fought(I dont remember the name anymore) that the big flower thingy was just his real shikai and not his bankai, cuz he doesnt have bankai(yet)...??
Nope. He just said that Ruriiro Kujaku was not his bankai (Charlotte thought that it was). He didn't say anything about having bankai or not.

[CaptainYoruichi]

I think it's a possibility. When contemplating the 11th Squad, you have to consider about Ikkaku and Yumichika, that Ikkaku is only not the VC of Squad 11 because Yachiru is. Otherwise, Ikkaku would be a Vice Captain, not a 3rd seat. And Yumichika is only the 5th seat because Ikkaku is 3rd, and Yumichika didn't want to be 4th seat. From that, one could reasonably assume that both Yumichika and Ikkaku have the same strength, and since we know that Ikkaku was able to achieve bankai, it's not that far out to think that Yumichika might have as well.

And the reason why I think this is from this part:

From chapter 147

Yumichika: Let me tell you a secret ... the reason I am the 5th-seat ... is only because the number "4" doesn't look beautiful. I think the number "3" looks the prettiest, but Ikkaku already took it. So I settled for the number "5" since it sort of looks like "3".

When Kenpachi took over as captain of Squad 11, he came prepackaged with a Vice Captain (Yachiru). This is not to say that Yachiru is not worthy of the position, but only to assume that Ikkaku was also capable of being VC and just couldn't accept the position because of Yachiru already filling it. To further speculate, we've actually seen Renji ask Ikkaku to become a captain, so we can reasonably assume that Ikkaku is now at captain level. So, my assumption is that, if Yumichika could have been a #3 when Ikkaku was #3 and only took #5 because of vanity over how the numbers look, it's not that far out to think that Yumichika could now be at a captain level even though his seat is 5th. I don't think Yamamoto would place weak Shinigamis at such an important place in the battle (re: the pillars).

The only thing that really holds Yumi (and Ikkaku) back from being more than what they are is the Squad 11 philosophy.

[Starky]

I agreewith everything you said there CaptainYoruichi.

[femaleshiro_16]

Actually for several sentences he had only a single blade~ then out of nowhere, the other three "bloomed" as he would call it... without a proper command, that kind of makes you wonder...
yeah...
but I recall him saying: "Blossom, Fujikujaku"
and then the sword split into four...
but I dont think he has bankai

[DelMarch]

yeah...
but I recall him saying: "Blossom, Fujikujaku"
and then the sword split into four...
No actually, he never called it "on screen" during his fight with Hisagi, which is the fight that Luhy was referencing.

However, as already mentioned, it is more than likely that he had called it *before* we caught up with them, since his blade was already curved.

The real mystery, in my eyes, remains how he was able to use Ruriiro Kujaku's shikai without calling his zanpakutou by his real name. That, IMO, is definitely THE strongest indication that he could have bankai - though I don't think he does.

[femaleshiro_16]

which means he IS definately hiding some GIGANTICAL, BIG, HUGE secret that he DOES have bankai

[DelMarch]

which means he IS definately hiding some GIGANTICAL, BIG, HUGE secret that he DOES have bankai
I wish!! Believe me, nobody wishes it more than I do ;) But I seriously doubt it. I mean, KT already did the "Look! Secret bankai!" trick with Ikkaku, there's no way he would do it again with Yumichika.

The only way I could imagine him doing that would be if he worked it in from the psychological point of view, ie Yumichika getting bankai was somehow related to his desperate desire to please Ikkaku, Zaraki and the Division. But I can hardly see how this would work: a kidou bankai is still kidou, so he would still be (supposedly) rejected for having a kidou zanpakutou.

There's also the possibility of him being on the verge of getting bankai, and thus getting it soon. But again, I strongly doubt it. First because I don't see how he could convince his zanpakutou, whom he is constantly insulting and whose true abilities he is ashamed of, to give him bankai: if he can't be bothered to use his true shikai more often, chances are that Kujaku won't give him bankai!

Second because we've already had other characters get bankai on-screen or almost: Ichigo of course, but also Renji, so there would be no novelty in Yumichika getting it too.

And finally, bankai is supposed to be RARE; we can't have so many characters having/getting bankai left and right

So no, as much as I would LOOOOOOOVE it for Yumichika to have secret bankai, or to get it soon, I really don't think that's gonna happen.

[femaleshiro_16]

totally...
I wish he had bankai too..
but even if he did have one, I doubt he'll show it
He evn lied about his Zan type cuz its actually kidou based
and not a fighting go wild type thing.
and yes bankai is supposed to be rare
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Agreeing with all you've said.

[CaptainYoruichi]

He seems pretty strong even without bankai, though. If he doesn't have bankai, I'd say he's still about vice-captain level. I'd really like to see him join another squad where he doesn't have to worry about his zanpakuto being kido-based. But, I doubt that would happen.

[KurosakiIchigo]

i am not really sure whether yuchimika has a bankai or not ...
but without it, his shikai is already that scary ....
being able to defeat a fraccion just like that ... and manage to defeat hitsagi when they were fighthing ... i think there is more to come ...
he is unique just like zaraki and his good fren ikaku ...

[DelMarch]

He seems pretty strong even without bankai, though. If he doesn't have bankai, I'd say he's still about vice-captain level.
He's actually both very strong and very weak, which makes it pretty much impossible to determine his overall strength. Lemme explain:

* His true shikai is obviously insanely strong. He might be able to take even the strongest captains with that thing, if he takes them by surprise.

* His shunpo and swordsmanship are both very impressive. They were showcased in his fight against Charlotte, and there is no doubt he's very good at them. This comes as no surprise, since they are precisely the skills he must have needed to rise to his current position in the division.

However:

* His defense skills are abysmal. Use anything but direct swordsmanship against him, and you're almost guaranteed the upper hand. Just look:

- Ganjyuu very carefully avoided direct confrontation, choosing instead to run and use his fireworks and rock-to-sand techniques. Yumichika managed to land a couple of good blows on him, but in the end he was totally pwned anyway because he couldn't effectively defend himself against the long-range weaponry that Ganjyuu was using.

- Hisagi: I'd say we can fairly safely assume that Hisagi used a variety of kidou attacks on Yumichika, along with straight swordsmanship. Hisagi has been consistently portrayed as being a heavy kidou user, and it would explain why Yumichika looks so beaten up while Hisagi basically doesn't have a scratch on him. Without any defensive or counter-attacking kidou, Yumichika can only hope to dodge kidou attacks and we know how badly this tends to end (just like he couldn't dodge Charlotte's cero).

- Charlotte demonstrated Yumichika's other weakness: he's physically far more fragile than his two heroes, Ikkaku and Zaraki. They can take blow after blow after blow and be almost as good as new. Ikkaku got pummelled beyond belief by Edorad, even culminating in a direct blow to the back which should have crushed his spine, but he wasn't incapacitated in any way. Yumichika, on the other hand, took one bad blow and his arm broke right away. He wants to fight like his idols, but he doesn't have what it takes.

So Yumichika cannot defend himself against kidou and/or long-range attacks, but he also cannot take too much physical abuse before his body starts failing him. That's an extremely bad combination. It means that basically, his only chance to win a fight is to end it *quickly*. And sure enough, once he realised just how strong Charlotte was, he took measures to force the Arrancar to release, in order to hurry the fight up. Compare/contrast this with Ikkaku, who will do almost anything to drag a fight longer, including getting himself injured.

Interestingly enough, Yumichika's true shikai is perfectly adapted to cover for his weaknesses. It's long-range, it works almost instantly, it prevents the enemy from attacking, and it even provides Yumichika with bonus reiatsu (and apparently instant healing) after the fight is over. It's perfectly adapted to his needs.

So anyway: he's both very strong (in direct, close-range attack, and through his real shikai) and very weak (in everything else, including defense against non-direct-sword-attacks, and endurance).

I'd really like to see him join another squad where he doesn't have to worry about his zanpakuto being kido-based. But, I doubt that would happen.
He'd be completely miserable... He's stuck between being himself and cut off from the few people who matter to him, or being respected and well-liked by those people at the price of denying almost everything that makes him who he really is... Or so he thinks anyway, and he chooses what he sees as the lesser of two evils.

[Pinkisis]

I don't think he has achieve bankai b/c he doesn't want to. I don't think he wants something else to hide. He's sabotaging his own growth, to stay in his current position. I do believe in a future he will achieve bankai. His shikai is way beyond awesome if the captains learn of this ability (all but Kenny) they will try to encourage him to achieve bankai. If central 46 were still around would be all over Yumichika to achieve bankai :eek:

[KurosakiIchigo]

welli have to agree with DelMarch ... you explained it in very detail ...
i do agree with you ... but all we see now is yuchimika's shikai ...
who knows, maybe his BANKAI would suck up all the reiatsu in a large area ...
and by sucking reiatsu after reiatsu ... he will not be so easily taken down ...

its like infinite reiatsu ... while his oppenents reiatsu keeps deplete ...
but as you say, he is very week with pure swordsmanship ....
maybe its because he doesn't wanna fight that much, unlike his best friend IKAKU ...
he is more of the type that cares about his appearance and fashion ...
anyways its solely my opinion =)

[DelMarch]

who knows, maybe his BANKAI would suck up all the reiatsu in a large area ...
and by sucking reiatsu after reiatsu ... he will not be so easily taken down ...
Yeah, I've been thinking about that possibility too. Though now that I see it written down by someone else, it disturbingly reminds me of Yammy's ability to suck up souls :eek:

but as you say, he is very week with pure swordsmanship ....
No actually, I said he's very strong at pure swordsmanship ;) As long as they stuck to that, he definitely gave Charlotte a run for his money. Then Charlotte got impatient and broke his arm, and everything went downhill from there.

maybe its because he doesn't wanna fight that much, unlike his best friend IKAKU ...
He might not like to fight as much as Ikkaku does (but then Ikkaku is a nutcase on that matter anyway, just like Zaraki), but he's still very much an enthusiastic fighter from what I can see. He could have let Ganjyuu go, or get someone else to take care of him, but he didn't. He was supposed to go with Orihime and the others to help Ichigo but he came back with Ikkaku to fight vice-captains. He asked to be assigned to the mission to the Living World when it was very likely they would encounter Arrancars. And Yamamoto himself selected him as one of the pillar guardians, which to me is a clear sign that he is well-known for being a fighter.

And of course, there's the fact that he is 4th/5th seat in the 11th division. I strongly doubt he would have risen to that position, and retained it, if he had any qualms about beating the crap out of his co-divisioners as often as necessary. And we all know that they love to fight in that division, so I imagine that those fights must happen rather often.

he is more of the type that cares about his appearance and fashion ...
His appearance, yes, that's canon, though, in the manga at least, he doesn't care about it anywhere as much as fanon would have it. Fashion, though, is purely fanon as far as I can see: I can't remember a single instance in the manga of him showing any particular interest in fashion or clothes. He's modified his uniform, yes, but he's hardly the only one to have done so, so I don't see any particular meaning in this.

JMO too, of course :)

[KurosakiIchigo]

Yeah, I've been thinking about that possibility too. Though now that I see it written down by someone else, it disturbingly reminds me of Yammy's ability to suck up souls :eek:


No actually, I said he's very strong at pure swordsmanship ;) As long as they stuck to that, he definitely gave Charlotte a run for his money. Then Charlotte got impatient and broke his arm, and everything went downhill from there.


He might not like to fight as much as Ikkaku does (but then Ikkaku is a nutcase on that matter anyway, just like Zaraki), but he's still very much an enthusiastic fighter from what I can see. He could have let Ganjyuu go, or get someone else to take care of him, but he didn't. He was supposed to go with Orihime and the others to help Ichigo but he came back with Ikkaku to fight vice-captains. He asked to be assigned to the mission to the Living World when it was very likely they would encounter Arrancars. And Yamamoto himself selected him as one of the pillar guardians, which to me is a clear sign that he is well-known for being a fighter.

And of course, there's the fact that he is 4th/5th seat in the 11th division. I strongly doubt he would have risen to that position, and retained it, if he had any qualms about beating the crap out of his co-divisioners as often as necessary. And we all know that they love to fight in that division, so I imagine that those fights must happen rather often.


His appearance, yes, that's canon, though, in the manga at least, he doesn't care about it anywhere as much as fanon would have it. Fashion, though, is purely fanon as far as I can see: I can't remember a single instance in the manga of him showing any particular interest in fashion or clothes. He's modified his uniform, yes, but he's hardly the only one to have done so, so I don't see any particular meaning in this.

JMO too, of course :)

* claps hand * very well explained ... i love the way you make your stand on your opinion and explain things in detail ... i might be asking more stuff in the future .... :)

anyways ... yammy's speciality in sucking souls are almost similar to Yuchimika's speciality in sucking reaitsu ..... i agree on that ...

anyways if you claim that he is very good at pure swordsmanship then why did he struggle when he fought with hisagi ? i thought he won the match by releasing his zanpakutou's true power and sucked up hisagi's reiatsu ? POV ...

ermm ... well i have to disagree to the fact that you say that he loves fighting .... for what i think , he came back to fight alongside ikaku is just mere friendship sake ... nothing more than that .... and when old man YAMA put him as 1 of the elite 4 to guard the pillar is because YAMA knows his capability and he is considered as 1 of those non-VC that can really punish people for theri mistakes .... not because he loves to fight ...but no doubt he CAN fight ... lol

and about hsi appearance ... i actually meant he loves beauty ...
remember when he argued with ganjyu and charlote on who's more beautiful and etc ... and the fact that he chose the number 5 because it looks more like the number 3 .... he is kinda particular in beautiful things ...

JMO too ... lol:D

[DelMarch]

* claps hand * very well explained ... i love the way you make your stand on your opinion and explain things in detail ... i might be asking more stuff in the future .... :)
Wow, another person who doesn't think I'm totally over-doing it? I'm being lucky those days :p !

yammy's speciality in sucking souls are almost similar to Yuchimika's speciality in sucking reaitsu
Brr... Okay, this is making me sick :p so let's point out the differences, shall we? First, Yammy instantly kills people when he sucks their soul out, while Yumichika can simply incapacitate them if he wants to and he doesn't destroy their soul in the process! And second, Yammy's ability works on everyone, including innocent bystanders with not a drop of reiatsu, while Yumichika's should work only on people with reiatsu who are thus far more likely to not be just innocent bystanders.

Phew, I feel better :D !

Anyways if you claim that he is very good at pure swordsmanship then why did he struggle when he fought with hisagi ? i thought he won the match by releasing his zanpakutou's true power and sucked up hisagi's reiatsu ?
My suspicion is that Hisagi did not use just swordsmanship. He's been rather consistently portrayed as being a heavy kidou user, and I suspect he used a lot of it against Yumichika, who doesn't know how to counter such attacks. That would explain why Hisagi is just standing there looking all calm and rested, while Yumichika is panting and on his knees: Hisagi has been keeping him running around to avoid his long-range kidou and probably landed a couple of good blasts on him too.

Of course, that's only a theory, but it does fit the "facts" we know so far.

ermm ... well i have to disagree to the fact that you say that he loves fighting .... for what i think , he came back to fight alongside ikaku is just mere friendship sake ... nothing more than that ....
There is that too, yes, but I hardly think that even he would manage to stay, and stay alive, in the 11th Division for that many decades if he didn't like to fight ;) After all, Renji was supposedly sent there because he liked fighting too much. And Yumichika describes his division as a bunch of idiots who like nothing more than fighting and risking their lives. Even if he didn't like fighting when he joined them, he must have developed a nice bloodthirst by now :D

Just remember: when assessing his liking for fighting, do NOT compare him to Ikkaku or Zaraki :D ! Those two are off the charts. You've got to compare him to more normal Shinigami (if there's such a thing).

and about hsi appearance ... i actually meant he loves beauty ...
remember when he argued with ganjyu and charlote on who's more beautiful and etc ... and the fact that he chose the number 5 because it looks more like the number 3 .... he is kinda particular in beautiful things ...
That he is :) You might want to check a couple of other threads where I've already ranted ad nauseam on that and other Yumichika-related matters:

http://bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?t=6626 (My derailment starts on page 3)

http://bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?t=6186

[KurosakiIchigo]

very well said Delmarch .... i gotta give this round to you honestly ...
and i saw the thread that you gave me ... how you explain about the difference between syazel and yuchimika .... and about rukia and all ... its really great ...
and not only me that notice that you have a great way of explaining ...

so now i would like to ask your opinion what do you think yuchimika's bankai will look like or what does it do .... hmmm ... but that is if he has one ....

sorry kinda lazy to look back on the previous discussions on this topic ... but dont worry you can hardly find poeple as lazy as me ... :)

[IchimaruGin]

yumichika fired that fireball! its part of his bankai!! gasp!

[KurosakiIchigo]

yumichika fired that fireball! its part of his bankai!! gasp!

SERIOUS ???? i dont think DelMarch will agree with you on that !:eek:

[DelMarch]

very well said Delmarch .... i gotta give this round to you honestly ...
It's not a competition ;)

so now i would like to ask your opinion what do you think yuchimika's bankai will look like or what does it do .... hmmm ... but that is if he has one ....
Well, he's got one in the sense that every zanpakutou has a bankai release, but I doubt he's obtained it already. As for what it would look like...

A bankai, in its most basic form, is often/usually some kind of expansion on the basic shikai form. So I guess we first need to actually define Yumichika's shikai, and quite frankly, I don't find it that simple to describe. Let's see:

It turns into a bunch of "vines" that latch onto the victim. Flowers grow on the vines, feeding on/containing the victim's reiatsu. When the flowers bloom, the victim... er, what exactly? The victim suddenly loses all the remainder of their reiatsu? Something like that, I suppose...

So how do we expand on that?

* Increasing the speed at which it happens would not be impressive, since it seems to be happening real fast already, and the victim is incapacitated right from the beginning anyway.

* Obviously, we can't increase the amount of reiatsu it takes from the victim, since it seems to take ALL of it already.

* We could increase the scope of it, like for Senbonzakura: many more vines, many more flowers, many more potential targets. However, we don't know just how limited Kujaku is in shikai state: for all we know, he can handle several enemies at once already. Still, that remains one possibility.

* More interesting, IMO, would be increasing the positive effects it has on Yumichika. In shikai form, Yumichika has to wait until the flowers have bloomed and detached to draw power from them, and he has to actually grab one too. Maybe in bankai state, the vines could physically link the victim to him, and transfer the reiatsu straight from one to the other? And if, as I suspect, the flowers also have a healing effect, then maybe in bankai Yumichika could be instantly healed as soon as the vines connect him to a victim?

Increased reiatsu + instant healing: now, that would look like an interesting bankai!

Not to mention that increased reiatsu should technically mean increased power in casting kidou spells, so if Yumichika finally decided to use kidou, he could cast super-powerful spells when in bankai state. Or normal-powered spells but without saying the incantation out loud or even calling the name, which would give him the advantage of surprise.

* Another possibility would be to increase the "range" of Kujaku's power: instead of drawing only on people's reiatsu, he could become able to draw on raw reishi, thus literally pulling power out of thin air. This would give Yumichika increased reiatsu (see previous paragraph for the advantages of that) and maybe he could also still retain his healing abilities.

Another possible/additional power could be to actually manipulate reishi: not just draw it into himself, but use it where it is to attack or defend, much like Hitsugaya can do with the water in the atmosphere. Turn the air around an enemy into fire, turn the air around himself into a solid wall to deflect an enemy's attack, things like that.

Anyone else has any more ideas?

Oh, and for some reason, I totally imagine that Yumichika's bankai will make his zanpakutou completely disappear :p Already in shikai, all that's left is the hilt, and that's actually more of a hindrance than anything. In bankai, it could completely disappear, thus leaving him completely free to fire kidou spells.

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yumichika fired that fireball! its part of his bankai!! gasp!

SERIOUS ???? i dont think DelMarch will agree with you on that !:eek:

Indeed, I won't :p I'd be pissed if Yumichika's bankai could do no better than Hinamori's shikai :fu That'd be weak.