Why is Ichigo just fighting there?

[Nocturne]

Just curious why Ichigo is more concerned about fighting Grimmjow than rescuing Orihime or even saving his friends. It seems that characters usually get critiqued for not thinking of their friends 24/7 and Ichigo seems to be the biggest offender of them all. He had to be reminded by Grimm after all what he did to his friend. Grimm also had to ask Ichigo why didn't he just take Orihime and run. I'm sure Ichigo is aware that both Rukia and Chad are down for the count, but he hasn't mentioned them in so many chapters, one has to wonder if he's forgotten them. So is Ichigo all about power and fighting?

[Byakuya]

Otherwise it'd be boring =p

or maybe it's a pride/honour thing, not sure >_>

[Annie]

LOL! your reply is so true!! It's shounen, a hero has to fight, or else he wouldn't be a hero.

[Ileenka]

Oh~! A response thread to the Why is Orihime just standing there (http://bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?t=297) thread. ^__^

Agree with Bya. Half pride/honour thing, half of the other is what makes Ichigo Ichigo, he lives to fight and protect. Completely different from Orihime's supposed 'resolve' or 'dreams' and personal agenda etc.

[Axie]

I think his fighting 'instinct' is taking over at this point. He hasn't forgotten his friends, it's just I think he figures, 'why not get rid of this guy now while I have the chance?'

Keeping Grimmjow alive would be a bad idea because Grimmjow would just come after Ichigo anyway. If Ichigo had all his friends with him, and they were running of of Hueco Mundo... while running away from Grimmjow... it'd be too complicated.

Ichigo has to get rid of Grimmjow while he's not weak or tired.. so why not fight him now and get it over with?

But I still get irked at why people accuse Orihime of not thinking of her friends, when Ichigo is doing the exact same thing. Orihime and Ichigo showed their concerns.. why should they have to do it again? Kubo already emphasised the point.

[eurys]

Well, I guess we can't have Ichigo always running away, can we? :p
*imagines Ichigo running around Hueco mundo followed by all the espadas with the benny hill's theme*... Actually, I'd like that.

[Nocturne]

I think his fighting 'instinct' is taking over at this point. He hasn't forgotten his friends, it's just I think he figures, 'why not get rid of this guy now while I have the chance?'
I'm glad that you mentioned that just because he hasn't thought of his friends or mentioned their names he hasn't forgotten them. Unless that rule only applies to Ichigo. XD

Keeping Grimmjow alive would be a bad idea because Grimmjow would just come after Ichigo anyway. If Ichigo had all his friends with him, and they were running of of Hueco Mundo... while running away from Grimmjow... it'd be too complicated.
The funny thing about that is that Ichigo initially said to Grimm that he doesn't want to kill him which pissed Grimm off. So technically, he was planning to run away from Grimm after defeating him.

Ichigo has to get rid of Grimmjow while he's not weak or tired.. so why not fight him now and get it over with?
Just that it does delay Ichigo just a tad. Thought he should be thinking about getting to those who are injured first. But he's not rushing off to go anywhere. Both of them fighting at full strength could mean an extended fight. Isn't that a bit selfish of him?

[SiSL]

Because he took Grimmjow as his sworn enemy. Look at panels he look after Grimmjow's leavings at their first fights. He is not there just to rescue Orihime, may be that is even second priority. Grimmjow is the only one he can test his new powers at this moment.

[Axie]

But he's not rushing off to go anywhere. Both of them fighting at full strength could mean an extended fight. Isn't that a bit selfish of him?

Well what do you suppose he should do? Run? Grimmjow's not going to let him go without a fight to the death. Grimmjow's made that quite obvious. And not to mention, Orihime and Nell have to follow him... I don't think Ichigo can get himself and both Orihime and Nell to escape. There not exactly as fast as Ichigo... and Grimmjow will probably strike at either Nell or Orihime to get his attention again. We know Ichigo well, he only wants to protect those close to him. It'd only be putting more of his friends in danger.

[Nocturne]

He is not there just to rescue Orihime, may be that is even second priority. Grimmjow is the only one he can test his new powers at this moment.
Which brings back the question, is Ichigo all about fighting then? Is he and Grimmjow basically the same? Or he and Kenpachi? Despite what he says about protecting, his opponents keep bringing up his killer instinct, dropping his chocolate, etc. Are they bringing out what they think he is really inside?

[HaNa]

Maybe ichigo has a faith on his friends to be alright and remembered the promise they did before splitting up which is to return to that place no matter what, so he decided to fight grimmjaw first and free orihime and then start searching for his friend.. he was shocked when he sensed chad's power getting down, but decided to continue..however, when he sensed rukia's power getting down and heard bout her situation, he wanted to go to her even if that means to break the promise.. and then he faced ulquira and had to fight him, and when orihime healed ichigo, he backed to his calm self which made him to see the situation from other perspective, he saw orihime is doing fine and having the goal of mission (orihime) in front of him, he realized that'll make things easy if he protect her now, so that he won't have a scolding from rukia or his other friends if he forgot his main mission and instead came to rescue his injured friend first

[Axie]

Are they bringing out what they think he is really inside?

Probably. These days, I think Hichigo may, in fact, be affecting him whether he notices or not. Ichigo isn't exactly human, he's a Vizard... and his polar opposites are the arrancar. I think that's Hichigo's instinct.. but Ichigo wants nothing more than to protect his friends.

[debbiechan]

Just curious why Ichigo is more concerned about fighting Grimmjow than rescuing Orihime or even saving his friends. It seems that characters usually get critiqued for not thinking of their friends 24/7 and Ichigo seems to be the biggest offender of them all. He had to be reminded by Grimm after all what he did to his friend. Grimm also had to ask Ichigo why didn't he just take Orihime and run. I'm sure Ichigo is aware that both Rukia and Chad are down for the count, but he hasn't mentioned them in so many chapters, one has to wonder if he's forgotten them. So is Ichigo all about power and fighting?

Ichigo has no choice but to fight Grimmjow. He had no choice but to fight Ulquiorra--these guys weren't giving him any options. He has to fight or pass.

Ichigo is a great offender when it comes to ignoring friends, but he's the lead and he's expected to have conflicts within himself that the author makes apparent. Orihime's (may) get more discussion because the conflict is not plain, and so people can argue about what her true nature is.

Is Ichigo all about power and fighting? That's a sarcastic question, right? Anyone who knows Ichigo knows what a good boy he is and what a protector of people he wants to be. But yeah, this arc is going to be about his being more about the fighting (sidetext from 280). That demon inside is gonna cause more trouble before this story is over.

[Lilium]

I always thought he had no choice. If we think about it, he can't possibly run off with inoue, save a dying rukia and chad, regroup with ishida and renji, then get out of HM with a bloodthirsty grimmjow on his tails right? I never really get why grimmjow had to ask why ichigo chose to fight. From ichigo's POV, he has to defeat grimmjow to leave.

[Gintoki]

I never really get why grimmjow had to ask why ichigo chose to fight. From ichigo's POV, he has to defeat grimmjow to leave.

Well to escape alone, i think he'd be fast enough. But he came for Inoue so he can't let her alone. And there's no way he could escape with HER. So it's true that Ichi has to fight Grimm before they can leave.

But i still believe, he would fight, even if he had the chance to escape. Ichigo was never running away from a fight, he'd rather die than run away from the opponent.

[Air]

Simple. Because running away it's not a smart move :D

Remember the very first duel in Soul Society, Ichigo vs Ikkaku.
Ganju run away (and later get caught). Ichigo stay:

Ikkuku: Why didn't you run?
Ichigo: If you really are stronger than me, you would have caught up to me anyways. However.. if I am stronger than you, I can simply beat you and move on forward. That's what I thought.


Grimmjow was just taunting him (because he want to see his mask).
He know, Ichigo can't really run away.

[Mei]

Why is Ichigo just fighting there?

I don´t understand the "just" in this sentence.
For me fighting to rescue/ protecting friends is a definite action with resolve and determination.

[SiSL]

Which brings back the question, is Ichigo all about fighting then? Is he and Grimmjow basically the same? Or he and Kenpachi? Despite what he says about protecting, his opponents keep bringing up his killer instinct, dropping his chocolate, etc. Are they bringing out what they think he is really inside?

Exactly. There has to be nervous breakdown for everyone.

He wants more power to protect someone, he gets stronger for more power... Either way there is no difference where he wants to achieve.

[Nell]

Ichigo has no choice but to fight Grimmjow. He had no choice but to fight Ulquiorra--these guys weren't giving him any options. He has to fight or pass.


Exactly (like mentioned many times) He has no choice but to fight. We are talking about a killing machine, a crazy-for-a-good-fight person who ignored Aizen and Ulqiorra just to make a way to fight with Ichigo. Grimmjow burnt the bridges to come this far, LoL, of course there was no way in hell that Ichigo could escape.

However, there are some other things that are going on in this fight, either. Making Inoue to heal Grimmjow so that Ichigo could win this fight fair and square is a little off, I'd say. It might be because this fight has become personal but then again, I think this killing intent started to wake up inside Ichigo and he's acting a little different form his usual self, but that's another story. Regarding to this thread's question, he's fighting there because he had no other choice, it's not like he's watching GJ to shoot ceros in the side lines. Moreover, he needs to keep an eye on Nell and Inoue at the same time. He seems pretty occupied to me *rol*

[Saffire]

It's the same deal as when Ichigo fought Ikkaku way back when, from my perspective. "If you're strong, I probably can't run anyways. But if you're weak, I'll just kick your butt and move on." In other words, moving forward requires beating the enemies in front of you. You can't just ignore someone like Grimm, particularly when you already know how strong he is.

[Nocturne]

More questions for our fave hero.

So...is Ichigo's reason for fighting Grimm about protecting, or is it a grudge match. If it's a grudge match, isn't he putting his interest over the lives of his friends? And also, why didn't he request for Orihime to go and look for Chad and Rukia and heal them? Why instead did he request for her to put a shield around herself and Nell and basically just to stay put? If he's in a rush to go save his friends, why have Orihime heal Grimm as well? Wouldn't he be at an advantage and be able to defeat Grimm faster so he can get to his friends faster? Did he let his pride do the talking when he said he'd want to face Grimm on even ground even if it basically makes him waste more time in getting to his friends?

[Mei]

And also, why didn't he request for Orihime to go and look for Chad and Rukia and heal them?

Woah, don´t you think that (for once) Inoue could think of what´s to do on her own. She didn´t remember using her barrier not before Ichigo reminded her to actually use it.
Ichi needs a break, he can´t consider everything; he´s to handle Grimmjow; but Inoue also has a brain....

[Nocturne]

Sure, but Ichigo didn't have to take time to tell Orihime to put up a shield for herself and Nell, but he still did unless he assumed she's brainless. Why waste a few seconds of mask time just to tell her that?

[StrawberryLover]

Nocturne your not really liking Ichigo at the moment are you? =D

I think he may have told Orihime to stay put because there are still other espadas and arrancar floating about the space and to have her there means that it is less likely she will be captured again and less time in HM. If she was held captive she also wouldn't be able to heal Chad and Rukia

As for healing GJ I think that had to do with his pride, alao he would want to beat him up for everything he has done to his friends (mainly Rukia) ad how better then to avenge his and Rukias pride then t beat GJ at full strength, also KT had to find a way to alow GJ to release before he dies and that was probably the best way.

Also Ichigo views Orihime as fragile and kinda a bit dense (not that she is, she is infact smart).Also she would have been shocked at Ichigos hollow powers and he felt he had to help her and tell her what to do because she was shocked.

[Mei]

Why waste a few seconds of mask time just to tell her that?

I think you answered yourself.
That could actually be a reason for Ichigo telling Inoue what to do: he doesn´t think that she herself knows what is to do in this situation.

[Inuhanyou]

In the same ways i agree with both points, ichigo has to beat grimmjow to advance, unfortunatley now that he's already obtained his goal(inoue) there's no where to go except back, but grimmjow is blocking the path. But on the otherhand why hasnt ichigo even THOUGHT of any of his friends? I mean yea he's obviously sidetracked, but after dragging them into this i figured he'd be atleast a little bit more concerned as to how they were fairing..mabye a stray thought "I hope the others are okay!" Like in the kenpachi fight back in SS

[SiSL]

In the same ways i agree with both points, ichigo has to beat grimmjow to advance, unfortunatley now that he's already obtained his goal(inoue) there's no where to go except back, but grimmjow is blocking the path. But on the otherhand why hasnt ichigo even THOUGHT of any of his friends? I mean yea he's obviously sidetracked, but after dragging them into this i figured he'd be atleast a little bit more concerned as to how they were fairing..mabye a stray thought "I hope the others are okay!" Like in the kenpachi fight back in SS

That's not the case... He does not think mission is complete, Inoe is brang to him by GJ himself. He knows Rukia and Chad is almost dead or Ishida and Renji there. He can never think of leaving them there all by themselves.

[stifflersthedog]

I agree ! imo Its pretty much ichigos "job" to fight here. Aside from the slight pride part (healing Grim), he's going about this very logically, Ulq wouldn't let him pass (ichigo said it himself) and grim sure as hell wont and like in the SS when he had just reached Rukia, he has no option but to fight until everyone trying to keep Orihime is dead/defeated. It would be nice to hear of a thought about his friends, but he wasn't thinkin of them when fightin byakuya the final time (okay he mention rukia alot, but he's talkin about orihime a bit here, so that balances). Ye i really dont see the problem

[manfan]

Hello, NeoSapien,

We all know, Orihime is too good for Ichigo. Let's face the fact. A lot of characters in Bleach said so, and not otherwise (Ichigo's too good for Orihime). That's why I can't at all fanthom why these people want to pair Ichigo with anybody, especially Orihime. I don't mind the idea of IchiRuki, that's why you guys, I'm totally happy with you guys argue that there is Ichigo has something for Rukia, and he's not as focus when saving Orihime in HM arc as compared to saving Rukia.

We all know that throughout all the time, when Ichigo is fighting, he's fighting for Rukia's sake, because Rukia is Orihime's best friend, and she changed his world. It's the 'gratitude factor', right? I couldn't agree more.

And now, he's fighting for Rukia's pride.


Again, I'm confused....how is then can he be, less focused in saving with Orihime..... when he's suppose to be doing it for Rukia?:confused:


For someone who's suppose to be grateful to the person who changed his life, he's taking a very, very long time to reach her.

But then, I'm not suprised. He even 'forgets' Chad, whom he had swore to be nakama for more than a year. How can I be silly enough to expect him to remember the person who just changed his life once?:rolleyes:

[eurys]

Why hello there asam. :)
We all know, Orihime is too good for Ichigo.
Haha, I almost believed you for a micro-second, until I saw your whole post is subtly sarcastic. Don't scare me like that :D

Again, I'm confused....how is then can he be, the less focused in saving with Orihime..... when he's suppose to be doing it for Rukia?
Wait, what? Could you explain please?

[EternalDream]

LOL. Great topic, Nocturne^_^

No, Ichigo's not all about power and fighting. He is a protector. He needs the experience of fighting and the power that comes from that experience, but in the end, it's still all to protect his loved ones and friends.

Is he selfish for fighting? I don't think so. Clueless, yes. Absent minded, yes. I see him as an "in the moment" kind of guy. Right now, the moment is fighting Grimmjow. I don't think he's forgotten any of his friends, either. It's just that the moment right now is fighting Grimmjow, and being the "in the moment" kind of guy I see him as, it makes perfect sense that he's fighting instead of fleeing to find his friends. XD Why did he heal Grimm before fighting him? While being an ITM kind of guy, I've also noticed a kind, just sort of attitude from him. I would have been surprised if he hadn't asked Orihime to heal Grimm. He's a (closet) golden boy and likes to play fair. I won't argue that pride is another influential factor in why he's fighting Grimm, I just don't think it's the main reason. It's not in his character to fight having an advantage. **shrug** That's always been my opinion, at least.

Are they bringing out what they think he is really inside? I'm sure for Grimmjow it's all about settling this strange rivalry he has with Ichigo, but I believe that the rest of the Arrancar are trying to do just that, even Ulquiorra. Ulquiorra himself said, way back in chapter 198 when Grimm was first introduced, that he hadn't killed Ichigo (when he went into the human world with Yammy) becuase there was a possibility that Ichigo could be brought over to their side. Since Grimm was the one that called out Ulquiorra in that conversation, I'm sure it's been in the back of his mind, but I seriously doubt that it's why he's wanted to fight Ichigo.

Why didn't he request for Orihime to go and look for Chad and Rukia and heal them? I think, if I were searching for a friend who was kidnapped by thieves (let's say in a gigantic forest) and finally found him/her...even knowing he/she could heal some other friends (who'd also been searching for the person I found) who'd been hurt real bad, I don't think I would want the guy/girl I found to run off to heal our friends while I'm fighting a thief. There's a BIG possibility that my friend could get lost and/or run into other thieves that would just kidnap said friend again. What would be the point? If I knew that I could fight off any and all bad guys that might get in our way, then I'd want to just finish off the guy in front of me, and THEN take my friend to heal our other friends in need, since I can be his/her protector and therefore don't have to worry about the person anymore, since I know that the safest place for him/her to be is with me. (oi, sorry for using "friend" so many times. ;o_o)

Why instead did he request for her to put a shield around herself and Nell and basically just to stay put? That's a really good question. I guess he just wants to make real sure that she protects herself and Nell, lol. We know he respects her power and trusts it, so it's not like he thinks she's incapable of protecting herself.

I've heard people wondering why Orihime didn't use her shield when Grimmjow used his ultimate cero, but really, we don't know if she did or not. Yes, it's certainly more likely to assume she didn't, since we didn't see her shield breaking apart, but the fact is, we still don't know if she used it or not. There was a lot of dust swirling around, and the main focus of that scene was supposed to be Ichigo and his mask, not Orihime. I'd think it'd be useless to clutter up the (what I'm assuming was supposed to be an "epic") picture by adding a breaking shield in the background, but that's just me. So it's highly debatable if she did or not, but that's really not the point, nor was it the main focus of the scene. Ichigo used his hollowed power to deflect the cero, and the scene was supposed to be about Ichigo protecting.

[Annie]

Why hello there asam. :)

Haha, I almost believed you for a micro-second, until I saw your whole post is subtly sarcastic. Don't scare me like that :D

Oh my so this is the one who was so famous in BF and NF. I have to say whatever I've heard it's all true now. We just need Ileenka here and we'll have it all.

But I have to say that Ichigo keeps fighting doesn't surprise me. He has to fight to get out of there. No way GJ will let him run around dragging two girls along with him.

[Dice]

Oh my so this is the one who was so famous in BF and NF. I have to say whatever I've heard it's all true now. We just need Ileenka here and we'll have it all.

But I have to say that Ichigo keeps fighting doesn't surprise me. He has to fight to get out of there. No way GJ will let him run around dragging two girls along with him.

Yeah, but I thought asam was a self-proclaimed guy. Well, I guess a guy can be a "manfan". There's nothing wrong with that. We're all tolerant people here. :D

As for your reasoning for Ichigo staying there and fighting. I have to agree with you Annie, Ichigo has no choice but to fight. Grimmjow expended all that time, energy, and even screwed his own people over to fight Ichigo, of course Ichigo has to fight him.

[manfan]

:eek: Asam_Laksa....wow I never would have recognized your style of posting. Can I have your autograph??

I didn't recall you being my fan, so, yes.... No.

And I'm not your fan, so really let's just keep that way. If you have anything to defend Ichigo, please do.

EtD....I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with Orihime/ Neru. It's just Ichigo, that I really don't like. Please defend Ichigo, since there's just the topic as it is.

Just curious why Ichigo is more concerned about fighting Grimmjow than rescuing Orihime or even saving his friends. It seems that characters usually get critiqued for not thinking of their friends 24/7 and Ichigo seems to be the biggest offender of them all. He had to be reminded by Grimm after all what he did to his friend. Grimm also had to ask Ichigo why didn't he just take Orihime and run. I'm sure Ichigo is aware that both Rukia and Chad are down for the count, but he hasn't mentioned them in so many chapters, one has to wonder if he's forgotten them. So is Ichigo all about power and fighting?

My dislike of Ichigo has just not been birth from the latest chapters. He has been all like that all these while, the consistency portrayal of Ichigo has been the same, whenever it has something to do with pride, he just doesn't care about his friends. He forgets.

Like in Soul Society arc, instead of remaining focused in saving Rukia from being executed, he insisted on staying to fight with Ganju when really we know who is the winner in the squabbles. All just because....Ganju insulted him with a few words. And not only that, him knowing that he's the only one who can protect the others (Yoruichi, Orihime, Ishida and Chad) from Soul Society world..and how dangerous Soul Society world is, he told them off that he wouldn't want to go with them. They went with him to aid him to save Rukia, they were his back-up, the least thing he can do is to make sure that they are alright by his side. Instead, 'you guys go along, I'll stay and wait for that man, got scores to settle with him.' I was thinking that IshidaxRukia was more canon, since Ishida was more determined to save Rukia than Ichigo was.

Then that Arrancar's case.....he should had went straight to Bankai and lash out at Grimmjaw for gutting Rukia in the middle (a fatal move)....no, no he just, did what he did in Byakuya's fight, measuring Grimmjaw's move with just his shikai. Selfishly arrogant, or is that just plain stupid?

And now the fight with Grimmjaw, again:rolleyes:Demanding Orihime to heal him AND Grimmjaw, so that he can fight fair and square? Did that guy actually think Huenco Mundo is nothing but a playground?

He hasn't gone all out with Grimmjaw in the previous two chapters, still thinking that he can stand against him without putting on the Vaizard mask. I was thrilled that Ichigo put his Vaizard mask first when Ulquiorra goaded him. Now....even with Grimmjaw goading him twice, even with little nakama he shreaded (who ah??), he's just not willing to fight to his fullest. Even with Orihime's life at stake, he's just like that.

That shows how much a person he is, he just couldn't care for anything else, except for his pride. Either that, or he's really a dumb character.

I can see now in the future....Ichigo behaving like that, behaving as if his pride as a protector is more important than anyone else....Orihime realizes it, and then dump him for someone who knows when to let go of his pride for the people who are important to him.....someone like Abarai Renji.:D

What a character and story developement.

Is he selfish for fighting? I don't think so. Clueless, yes. Absent minded, yes.
Sorry. I have to disagree. He's selfish. He just loves fighting, what makes you think he's so well-known off? long before Rukia entered into his life.

It's his way of making friends and bonding. The people he fights, becomes his friends later on. That's why he's interested in making the fight with Grimmjaw fair and square, when there are other friends who are behind him, giving support to him and now needs him.

Oh my so this is the one who was so famous in BF and NF. I have to say whatever I've heard it's all true now. We just need Ileenka here and we'll have it all.

But I have to say that Ichigo keeps fighting doesn't surprise me. He has to fight to get out of there. No way GJ will let him run around dragging two girls along with him.

I'm sorry.....time is essence. If he really felt the urge to go and save all his friends who went back-up with him, he would have demanded that Orihime heal him only and then defeat Grimmjaw straightaway.

No, he's concerned that Grimmjaw might whined and gloated over his disadvantage.

Huenco Mundo is not a children playground. Let's accept that fact. After Inoue, he is to save everyone else, Chad, Ishida, Renji AND Rukia. No, he insist on playing still....his whole motive of going to Huenco Mundo is to seek the fight with Grimmjaw.

I don't mind him doing that, but please, he should not drag his friends in whatever scores he needed to settle with his enemies.

Oh, Annie,....you are famous too. .

[Annie]

Wow how am I famous :confused: I'm a n00b and everyone knows it. Unlike you who leave a mark in every forum you ever visited.

However, I'm really sorry that I am not able to reply to your argument against my post. Because I simply don't understand them.

Time is essence that's true but Ichigo already tried to go in a hurry in chapter 270 and look where that landed him. He was totally defeated against Ulq. So it make sense to me that Ichigo can't go all out against GJ. It would be repeat of the smackdown. Imagine if he goes all out from the beginning and fail. This time he will not be as lucky as his fight against Ulq.

[HaNa]

It's for Rukia's pride that he's fighting Grimmjaw, forget whether Rukia is now dead / not. (Oh, btw, what was Rukia's pride, eh?)
Again, I'm confused....how is then can he be, less focused in saving with Orihime..... when he's suppose to be doing it for Rukia?

Because grimmjaw has hurt rukia twice in front of him..so running away from him means accept what he did to rukia

For someone who's suppose to be grateful to the person who changed his life, he's taking a very, very long time to reach her

To be honest I was annoyed to his behavior too, because he didn't mention rukia when he woke up again, but he might realize that to have a faith and keep a promise to his friends (the one they did before splitting up) is the right thing to do right now and he just has to keep looking forward

[Ileenka]

Wow how am I famous :confused: I'm a n00b and everyone knows it. Unlike you who leave a mark in every forum you ever visited.

I knowwww.. :eek: asam is so famous. No one in Bleach fandom would not know who he is. Hint: The over-excited, valium-deprived kid who posted Ishida-Ichigo panels and insisted them to be Ichi-Ori. ^_~

It is going to leave another mark here. As a man fan. :D


However, I'm really sorry that I am not able to reply to your argument against my post. Because I simply don't understand them.

Me neither. But I guess, that is soooo asam.


Time is essence that's true but Ichigo already tried to go in a hurry in chapter 270 and look where that landed him. He was totally defeated against Ulq. So it make sense to me that Ichigo can't go all out against GJ. It would be repeat of the smackdown. Imagine if he goes all out from the beginning and fail. This time he will not be as lucky as his fight against Ulq.

I agree! If Ichigo could run, he'd try to run. Like he did before. He's not stupid to think that Grimmjow would try to let him run, and he knew that he has to fight Grimmjow eventually as well. It totally make sense why he wouldn't go all out, for an important opponent and nemesis like Grimmjow, KT has to stretch his chapters a lot longer than Doldonii or Ulquiorra, and number of chapters spanning from a particular fight always show how important the fight is.

@asam <3: Meh, if Ichigo doesn't care for Rukia, he cares less for Orihime. Grimmjow confirmed this. Shouldn't you be mourning, instead of trying to sound smug and all? :confused:

But I guess as asam, you are OOC from the rest of Bleach fans. :D But very IC for 'asam'. *pats*pats*

[kas-chan]

why ichigo just fighting there?!
becoz everyone like to fight with him! ulq, gj everyone like to pick fight!
if not becoz of them ichigo edi went to help rukia...
if ichigo dun fight who goin to fight!? orihime?! nell!?
everyone got their own position! have to know wat position u are in! ichigo know his own position! that's y he have to fight!

[kiriya]

omg, what's this? xD
a reply to why is orihime standing there?

i don't think ichigo has forgotten his friends, who else is gonna face grimmjow? inoue? nell?, ichigo has no choice but to fight against him, he's not a coward, he can't just flee with nell and inoue, grimmjow wouldn't let him go right?, knowing grimmjow, it could be worse actually, maybe he could hurt or try to hurt inoue or nell if he tries to escape, how can you tell he is not thinking about his friends, can you read his mind? i like the way ichigo is fighting, he's not the ichigo i'm used to see, i think one of the things a warrior needs to get strength when he is about to fight is to think in his motivations for fighting, he saw that inoue is safe, so he just needs to finish this battle and then look for his friends, i don't think he's being selfish actually, he concerns that grimmjow is a blood thirsty that won't let him go till he faces him and someone wins this battle

[manfan]

ah, instead of countering anything that I said....you all have to resort to insulting me personally?

Is that because there is nothing to counter about Ichigo? As to why Ichigo is so like that? He totally forgotten Chad and Rukia, Ishida and Renji. What kind of a nakama is he? Everybody is a better nakama than he is.;) Heck, I'm very certain that given the fact Orihime is someone who is to be shared by all....who believes nakama is much more important than her own pride, I'm sure one day Orihime will see Ichigo for who he is, and dumps him. Rukia can take him,for all I care.:p

Forgive me, while I harbour hope for Orihime and Renji to end up together as a consolation coupling. I'm sure Renji would be very happy.

omg, what's this? xD
a reply to why is orihime standing there?

i don't think ichigo has forgotten his friends, who else is gonna face grimmjow? inoue? nell?, ichigo has no choice but to fight against him, he's not a coward, he can't just flee with nell and inoue, grimmjow wouldn't let him go right?, it could be worse actually, maybe he could hurt or try to hurt inoue or nell if he tries to escape, how can you tell he is not thinking about his friends, can you read his mind? i think one of the things a warrior needs to get strength when he is about to fight is to think in his motivations for fighting, he saw that inoue is safe, so he just needs to finish this battle and then look for his friends, i don't think he's being selfish actually, he concerns that grimmjow is a blood thirsty that won't let him go till he faces him and someone wins this battle

Yes, that's why Ichigo needed to solve this Grimmjaw issue fast. He had to go straight bankai and Vaizard like he did with Ulquiorra. In compared to Ulquiorra's fight and Grimmjaw's fight.....Ulquiorra's fight had more urgency than Grimmjaw's. Within one chapter, Ichigo became Vaizard on confronting Ulquiorra. Grimmjaw......wait first, let him and I get healed first, say comforting words to Neru, then, then,,.....the fighting stance needed to be slow and steady.....only then the kakkoii and style will be there.

I was very happy to see Ichigo going BLAM straight on Ulquiorra, fast and strong, probably because of Rukia.....but then with Grimmjaw, with the knowledge that Rukia needs his help, his and Orihime's.....;) I'm so sorry, Rukia....I'm sorry Chad. *shakes his head*

why ichigo just fighting there?!
becoz everyone like to fight with him! ulq, gj everyone like to pick fight!
if not becoz of them ichigo edi went to help rukia...
if ichigo dun fight who goin to fight!? orihime?! nell!?
everyone got their own position! have to know wat position u are in! ichigo know his own position! that's y he have to fight!

Yes, everybody knows their own position. Ichigo knows his position too well, getting defeated by Grimmjaw twice preciously, being ripped a hole in the middle of his chest, where his heart is....I would have liked him better if he had just attacked Grimmjaw right, there and there for trying to squeeze Orihime's neck. Nooooo.....instead he is demanding Orihime now to heal him and Grimmjaw together.

Totally forgot about Rukia. AND Chad:mad:. With every minutes spent waiting for Orihime's healing powers to rejuvenate and refreshing him.....Rukia's blood, Chad's blood gets drained away.

Orihime's power could have been put into good use, by healing Rukia AND Chad.....but no, it's just used to nurse his wounded pride.

Because grimmjaw has hurt rukia twice in front of him..so running away from him means accept what he did to rukia

Haaahh so Rukia's pride has been wounded when Grimmjaw hurt Rukia twice? Rukia being wounded by Grimmjaw, thus her pride for not being able to take care of herself?

Is that why Ichigo now is fighting with Grimmjaw, because of Rukia's pride for not being able to take care of herself? Eventhough Ichigo had been told by Ulquiorra that she is now dead?


To be honest I was annoyed to his behavior too, because he didn't mention rukia when he woke up again, but he might realize that to have a faith and keep a promise to his friends (the one they did before splitting up) is the right thing to do right now and he just has to keep looking forward
Okay, if you say so. He is taking the fight slowly because of the faith he has on Rukia and her other nakama. He should have more faith on his nakama and not on his enemies, right? So whatever Grimmjaw and Ulquiorra says.....there's no truth in them right?

I guess he's fighting Grimmjaw slowly because in his mind, he still thinks Rukia is fine.



@asam <3: Meh, if Ichigo doesn't care for Rukia, he cares less for Orihime. Grimmjow confirmed this. Shouldn't you be mourning, instead of trying to sound smug and all? :confused:


Actually, I'm being hyperventilating when Grimmjaw says that. You see, I'm very sure Kubo is going to separate Ichigo and Orihime together.....this is just the first step towards that.....Grimmjaw revealing that really, Ichigo is going to Huenco Mundo to seek Grimmjaw out, on the pretense that he's going to save Orihime.

I sooooo agree, he cares less for Orihime than Rukia. Grimmjaw says so. He would have countered the King Cero right from where he was.....nooooo, he must let Grimmjaw's King Cero moves towards her, scared the hell of her and then only then counter it at the last minute.

You see, it's to prove to Orihime, that only he, Kurosaki Ichigo can protect her, her Saiten Kisshun is useless, in compared to his power of protection.

Another field trip for his ego. What a cruel man.....to have her stay behind so that she can see him how he's going to beat Grimmjaw, an Espada. I'm certain Chad and Rukia would agree with me on this. They went all the way to help Ichigo to rescue Orihime, only to have Ichigo risking Orihime's life again, Orihime who is the only hope in getting Chad and Rukia ever alive again.

[StrawberryLover]

They went all the way to help Ichigo to rescue Orihime, only to have Ichigo risking Orihime's life again, Orihime who is the only hope in getting Chad and Rukia ever alive again.

Ichigo I think is in fact ensuring Orihimes safety, if he sent her off to look for Rukia and Chad she could be easily captured again and then thats more time In HM and if Orihime is captured then how can she help Chad and Rukia. I have already said this though. So he my be risking her life or just keeping her close to ensure that al his and his friends work doesn't go to waste.

You also mention that he is risking his friends life but he didnt ask them to come, they came of their own accord and infact Ruka and Renji had to catch up with them.

You were Questioning my post which mentioned Ichigo and Rukia pride (looky I can use bold too). I think I should of mentioned that I had the incident with Kaien and his wifes pride in mind when I said that. Sorry I ddn't mention it in that post :)

[brightredglow]

ah, instead of countering anything that I said....you all have to resort to insulting me personally?

Is that because there is nothing to counter about Ichigo? As to why Ichigo is so like that? He totally forgotten Chad and Rukia, Ishida and Renji. What kind of a nakama is he? Everybody is a better nakama than he is.;) Heck, I'm very certain that given the fact Orihime is someone who is to be shared by all....who believes nakama is much more important than her own pride, I'm sure one day Orihime will see Ichigo for who he is, and dumps him. Rukia can take him,for all I care.:p

Forgive me, while I harbour hope for Orihime and Renji to end up together as a consolation coupling. I'm sure Renji would be very happy.



Yes, that's why Ichigo needed to solve this Grimmjaw issue fast. He had to go straight bankai and Vaizard like he did with Ulquiorra. In compared to Ulquiorra's fight and Grimmjaw's fight.....Ulquiorra's fight had more urgency than Grimmjaw's. Within one chapter, Ichigo became Vaizard on confronting Ulquiorra. Grimmjaw......wait first, let him and I get healed first, say comforting words to Neru, then, then,,.....the fighting stance needed to be slow and steady.....only then the kakkoii and style will be there.

I was very happy to see Ichigo going BLAM straight on Ulquiorra, fast and strong, probably because of Rukia.....but then with Grimmjaw, with the knowledge that Rukia needs his help, his and Orihime's.....;) I'm so sorry, Rukia....I'm sorry Chad. *shakes his head*



Yes, everybody knows their own position. Ichigo knows his position too well, getting defeated by Grimmjaw twice preciously, being ripped a hole in the middle of his chest, where his heart is....I would have liked him better if he had just attacked Grimmjaw right, there and there for trying to squeeze Orihime's neck. Nooooo.....instead he is demanding Orihime now to heal him and Grimmjaw together.

Totally forgot about Rukia. AND Chad:mad:. With every minutes spent waiting for Orihime's healing powers to rejuvenate and refreshing him.....Rukia's blood, Chad's blood gets drained away.

Orihime's power could have been put into good use, by healing Rukia AND Chad.....but no, it's just used to nurse his wounded pride.


Haaahh so Rukia's pride has been wounded when Grimmjaw hurt Rukia twice? Rukia being wounded by Grimmjaw, thus her pride for not being able to take care of herself?

Is that why Ichigo now is fighting with Grimmjaw, because of Rukia's pride for not being able to take care of herself? Eventhough Ichigo had been told by Ulquiorra that she is now dead?


Okay, if you say so. He is taking the fight slowly because of the faith he has on Rukia and her other nakama. He should have more faith on his nakama and not on his enemies, right? So whatever Grimmjaw and Ulquiorra says.....there's no truth in them right?

I guess he's fighting Grimmjaw slowly because in his mind, he still thinks Rukia is fine.



Actually, I'm being hyperventilating when Grimmjaw says that. You see, I'm very sure Kubo is going to separate Ichigo and Orihime together.....this is just the first step towards that.....Grimmjaw revealing that really, Ichigo is going to Huenco Mundo to seek Grimmjaw out, on the pretense that he's going to save Orihime.

I sooooo agree, he cares less for Orihime than Rukia. Grimmjaw says so. He would have countered the King Cero right from where he was.....nooooo, he must let Grimmjaw's King Cero moves towards her, scared the hell of her and then only then counter it at the last minute.

You see, it's to prove to Orihime, that only he, Kurosaki Ichigo can protect her, her Saiten Kisshun is useless, in compared to his power of protection.

Another field trip for his ego. What a cruel man.....to have her stay behind so that she can see him how he's going to beat Grimmjaw, an Espada. I'm certain Chad and Rukia would agree with me on this. They went all the way to help Ichigo to rescue Orihime, only to have Ichigo risking Orihime's life again, Orihime who is the only hope in getting Chad and Rukia ever alive again.

I must be sleep deprived but I actually understand this post and what's more frightening (or is it enlightening?) is that I agree with quite a bit of it although I have to imagine it being said in that movie-preview-guy's voice to get to reach the appropriate level of understanding. And I'm not even being sarcastic about that. I mean it in a good way.

If manfan is the infamous asam_laksa, he/she has either mellowed or I've gotten weirder. Both are possibilities, I suppose.

And yeah, I did register just to say that as this may be the most entertaining post I've seen since this forum opened. But just to be safe, I'll go back to work now and back to lurking.

But just so as to stay on topic: I think Ichigo is sticking around to fight because he's Ichigo and Grimmjow is Grimmjow and ... :o

Sorry, but I really don't know why Ichigo is insistent on fighting except that GJ is there and he's there and what else is there to do but fight. Heck, I don't even know what the plot of this arc is much less character motivation. This arc is just one puzzlement to me.

[Unicorn]

Can everyone please calm down and stay on-topic. There seems to be a flame war starting.

If this continues, I'll have no choice but to get the mod in charge of this section to close this thread.

~ Uni

[HaNa]

Haaahh so Rukia's pride has been wounded when Grimmjaw hurt Rukia twice? Rukia being wounded by Grimmjaw, thus her pride for not being able to take care of herself? Is that why Ichigo now is fighting with Grimmjaw, because of Rukia's pride for not being able to take care of herself?

Grimmjaw insulted rukia when she was busy worrying for ichigo, his sudden attack what's hurt her, so ichigo as a man who has witnessed her being harmed twice, have to fight him in her place especially when she means a lot to him, it's not like she can't take care of it herself..but it became more ichigo's fight, not to mention grimmjaw had his eye on him

Eventhough Ichigo had been told by Ulquiorra that she is now dead?

Isn't that thing (her death) will motivate ichigo more to fight grimmijaw seeking for revenge for example


Okay, if you say so. He is taking the fight slowly because of the faith he has on Rukia and her other nakama. He should have more faith on his nakama and not on his enemies, right? So whatever Grimmjaw and Ulquiorra says.....there's no truth in them right?

yes :)

I guess he's fighting Grimmjaw slowly because in his mind, he still thinks Rukia is fine.

He knows her life is in danger, but he believes she's somehow alive I think ^ ^ Hopefully we'll know what's in his mind in the coming chapters

But don't worry, I share your Ichigo hate! Ichigo is the worst shonen hero ever, always thinking of himself. That's why I think Ichigo should end up with Doldonii. I love yaoi. Do you love yaoi as well, Manfan? I think your name implies that you do

Actually I don't like ichigo that much , what makes him bright is rukia.. I like him being around rukia, his interaction around her… without her is he just a mad and a lost kid.. but his character became so better now from the first episode/chapter I've read/watch

[Mei]

Actually I don't like ichigo that much , what makes him bright is rukia.. I like him being around rukia, his interaction around her… without her is he just a mad and a lost kid.. but his character became so better now from the first episode/chapter I've read/watch

And that is why I wouldn´t pair up Ichigo with Inoue, because
I consider them being more or less still “kids”.
Inoue isn´t self-confident, she´s insecure, shy and doesn´t
know exactly what her real purpose is:
she wants to fight alongside Ichigo, but actually her healing and
shielding skills are much better than her offensive abilities;
but she doesn´t accept that and falters instead.
Ichigo on the other hand has trouble dealing with his inner hollow and
sometimes gets owerhelmed with regret
because he couldn´t protect his friends.
I think that they wouldn´t lead a healthy relationship,
because Ichigo would have to always comfort Inoue in
her insecurities and lack of resolve.
She´s too Ichigo-centric;
I believe that this kind of obsession would
rather harm Ichigo than helping and supporting him;
but that´s exactly what he needs:
a strong, confident lead.
(no offense towards IchiHime shippers;
it´s just my pov)

Well, that was rather OT, so:
I regret that neiter Ichigo nor Inoue showed some concerns
for their dying friends after Ichigo got healed
by Inoue; but somehow I´ve more confidence in Ichigo, because
he´s active and doesn´t just stand there
and it´s not that he doesn´t do a thing.
I hope that Kubo will show us readers that there´s a purpose behind
all what happened in the last 3 chapters and I also hope that
after the fight is over they will be able to head towards Rukia and Chad.

[manfan]

StrawberryLover


You were Questioning my post which mentioned Ichigo and Rukia pride (looky I can use bold too). I think I should of mentioned that I had the incident with Kaien and his wifes pride in mind when I said that. Sorry I ddn't mention it in that post :)
I bolded them, to bring people's attention to the words and the points, so that we can talk from there. There is no need to imagine that I'm insulting you in any way or another, I'm sure there are people who vouch me that I can be sensible and polite to almost every people I meet. I assure you, I am not the person who tells people off that they are crazy and need medications to tone down their hostile behaviour, or advise them to see a shrink.

That's just not me. Rest assure, that I'm don't do insults, especially with people who can discuss with me whether Ichigo's character developement is there, or he's just stagnant. Others.....*shrugs*

You don't mind me rearranging your context, do you?


Ichigo I think is in fact ensuring Orihimes safety, if he sent her off to look for Rukia and Chad she could be easily captured again and then thats more time In HM and if Orihime is captured then how can she help Chad and Rukia. I have already said this though. So he my be risking her life or just keeping her close to ensure that al his and his friends work doesn't go to waste.

While I appreciate that you explain why Ichigo wants to keep Orihime nearby, doesn't want her to wander off in a vast place and get herself and Neru lost, or captured, I don't think it fits here as to why Ichigo wants Orihime to be nearby. Orihime is Orihime, Ichigo is Ichigo...Orihime supposedly has her own mind whether she wants to leave him(I'm very sure Ichigo doesn't mind her leaving him fighting alone with Grimmjaw....she is after all the princess of the palace, she would know how to reach her friends who sacrificed so much to kidnap her again). The topic here, is why Ichigo has no sense of urgency anymore, since he got Orihime with him, and wounded, bleeding, dying Rukia AND Chad behind him. May I remind you....like the initial fight with Ulquiorra, Ichigo went straight blam, bankai and Vaizard in within one chapter. Grimmjaw....it's just too long, not as long as the second fight, probably longer than the first fight, when Rukia got wounded bad.

Is his character being consistent, as someone who believes pride is more important than lives? More important than the lives Orihime's life, Chad's life, Renji's life, Ishida's life, and Rukia's life?


You also mention that he is risking his friends life but he didnt ask them to come, they came of their own accord and infact Ruka and Renji had to catch up with them.

Yes, I did mention that he is risking his friends' life. Yes he didn't ask them to come first, but they came of their own accord....because they were his nakama, Ichigo's nakama.......well, not really for Ishida, because Inoue Orihime is an important person enough for him to break his oath to his father. Ishida would gag and vomit last week's food, for him to admit that Ichigo is his nakama.

But....don't you think he should at least feel appreciated that his friends are putting out their lives for the sake of him hero-saving-Orihime-damsel-in-distress. Don't you think it's annoying that despite Grimmjaw taunting him of how butchered nakama(s), past (Rukia), present (Rukia AND Chad) is.....Ichigo isn't at least bothered with wanting to finish the fight as quick as he should.

I may not be true-true Rukia fan, but I'm very annoyed when this happened, Ichigo not going all out on Grimmjaw. Kubo could have made his fight magnificently beautifully POW, but he had to take few chapters for it. It's like the fight with Byakuya, he never really went all out against Byakuya, he was toying his zanpakutou's shikai against Byakuya's bankai.

Only when Grimmjaw 'accidentally' missed his mighty, biggy cero and about to hit Orihime, did Ichigo wear his MASK. This Ichigo nearly lost one of his nakama's life.

HaNa
Grimmjaw insulted rukia when she was busy worrying for ichigo, his sudden attack what's hurt her, so ichigo as a man who has witnessed her being harmed twice, have to fight him in her place especially when she means a lot to him, it's not like she can't take care of it herself..but it became more ichigo's fight, not to mention grimmjaw had his eye on him

Okay, if you say so. This fight is really for the sake of Rukia. Ichigo thinks(in his mind) she's still alive, not butchered as what Grimmjaw claimed to be so. Grimmjaw butchered....gutted her....Ichigo's now fighting for the sake of Rukia's butchered state memory.


Isn't that thing (her death) will motivate ichigo more to fight grimmijaw seeking for revenge for example

Is it suppose to be Rukia dead or not that motivate Ichigo's to fight Grimmjaw with veangeance?

He knows her life is in danger, but he believes she's somehow alive I think ^ ^ Hopefully we'll know what's in his mind in the coming chapters
Yes, he does know her life is in danger. But he does believe that Rukia is a very strong person who needs no saving. So I'm sure there isn't any conscience in him whether Rukia needs him or not. She is indeed a strong person.

I just wish he had the heart to think that Chad needs him, just like in Soul Society when Chad's reiatsu went down. Chad may look big and sturdy outside, but inside, he just love cute plush toys.



Actually I don't like ichigo that much , what makes him bright is rukia.. I like him being around rukia, his interaction around her… without her is he just a mad and a lost kid.. but his character became so better now from the first episode/chapter I've read/watch
You got me no arguing in that. He is mad and lost, when fighting Grimmjaw. Oh I wish Orihime was someone like Rukia who would give some bonkers on his head and demand that he finished the fight fast so that they can leave Huenco Mundo fast.

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Dice....this is not nice>>
I guess people don't like you because you were permanently banned from BF and another notorious forum for making racist and homophobic comments. Also you insulted other non-christian religions, right?
Me being racist and homophobic? It is contradictory to....
But don't worry, I share your Ichigo hate! Ichigo is the worst shonen hero ever, always thinking of himself. That's why I think Ichigo should end up with Doldonii. I love yaoi. Do you love yaoi as well, Manfan? I think your name implies that you do.

So Ichigo/Doldonii forever!!
I know you share Ichigo hate. That's why you are like me, pairing Ichigo with Rukia on the tree, kissing first and then get pregnant.

And I agree Ichigo/Doldonii is possible, Doldonii labelling Ichigo a sweet chocolate boy, while Ichigo referred him as an old person. We've seen a lot of people tend to pair Ichigo with somebody older than him, much older than him, a genuine lollita case.

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ileenka.....all the stuffs you post, its a joke right? For instance....

Yup. Counter it with, "WAIT! Grimmjow!" and not, "INOUE!!" Sad, really.:(
If we go along with your reasonings....that if Ichigo calls Rukia's name, there's something going on between them.
>> Does that mean that if Ichigo calls Grimmjaw's name, there's something going on between the two, Ichigo and Grimmjaw?

I wonder whether that's the reason why Ichigo is taking this third fight nice and slow. It's almost like waltzing Miranda, to me.

Yes, like drawings on paper can agree with you.
Same goes to the people who concentrate on manga panel analysis, the sad look on the face, the extrapolation of the eyes....they draw lines, imaginary lines from the eyes to the object.

Orihime who is their only hope and yet does nothing. Ichigo has to fight because everyone is seeking him out, everyone is blocking his path, yes, he sucks while Orihime is free, has lots of time, is not preoccupied.
Were you hoping for this, Orihime to become like this>>
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1299/untitledhw5.png

Offtopic.

MeiYara, I'll be happy if you keep IchiRuki or IchiHime thoughts to yourself and perhaps in other threads, I don't mind reading them, I'm quite open, I see from their point of views. You can open up your own thread to discuss about IchiHime / IchiRuki.....I'm sure a lot of people would want to chip their own thoughts. But this is only about Ichigo fighting with Grimmjaw.

Let's keep this IchiHime / IchiRuki free, shall we? ^_^U

[HaNa]

While I appreciate that you explain why Ichigo wants to keep Orihime nearby, doesn't want her to wander off in a vast place and get herself and Neru lost, or captured, I don't think it fits here as to why Ichigo wants Orihime to be nearby. Orihime is Orihime, Ichigo is Ichigo...Orihime supposedly has her own mind whether she wants to leave him(I'm very sure Ichigo doesn't mind her leaving him fighting alone with Grimmjaw....she is after all the princess of the palace, she would know how to reach her friends who sacrificed so much to kidnap her again).

If orihime is orihime then she should have gone a while ago to rescue rukia and chad..not to wait for ichigo if he'll give her a permission to go or not, it's her decision anyway..ichigo was busy focusing on his fight, he don't have a time to think of what orihime should have done.. he just saw her standing behind him like a kid who clings to her mother and asked her to create the barrier around her to protect her and nell

Yes, I did mention that he is risking his friends' life. Yes he didn't ask them to come first, but they came of their own accord....because they were his nakama, Ichigo's nakama.......well, not really for Ishida, because Inoue Orihime is an important person enough for him to break his oath to his father. Ishida would gag and vomit last week's food, for him to admit that Ichigo is his nakama.

Yes he didn't ask them to come, so it's their responsibility to take care of themselves

But....don't you think he should at least feel appreciated that his friends are putting out their lives for the sake of him hero-saving-Orihime-damsel-in-distress. Don't you think it's annoying that despite Grimmjaw taunting him of how butchered nakama(s), past (Rukia), present (Rukia AND Chad) is.....Ichigo isn't at least bothered with wanting to finish the fight as quick as he should

What about orihime then… isn't she the main reason for them to come to HM?..so she should be the one who feel appreciated (she didn't even mention ishida's and renji's name since hm arc has been started)

Okay, if you say so. This fight is really for the sake of Rukia. Ichigo thinks(in his mind) she's still alive, not butchered as what Grimmjaw claimed to be so. Grimmjaw butchered....gutted her....Ichigo's now fighting for the sake of Rukia's butchered state memory

Yup U___U

Is it suppose to be Rukia dead or not that motivate Ichigo's to fight Grimmjaw with veangeance?

I don't understand your point here..did u mean ichigo's reaction..He didn't believe ulq ..but tried to go to her anyway

Yes, he does know her life is in danger. But he does believe that Rukia is a very strong person who needs no saving. So I'm sure there isn't any conscience in him whether Rukia needs him or not. She is indeed a strong person.

I just wish he had the heart to think that Chad needs him, just like in Soul Society when Chad's reiatsu went down. Chad may look big and sturdy outside, but inside, he just love cute plush toys

I think he is more in a situation like to leave his emotion away to win the fight coz I think he realized that his defeat against ulq wasn't only because of the power difference but it was also coz of his reactive emotions..so maybe he's thinking now to forget about his friend for a while and concentrate on his fight instead so that he'll be able to win this fight and go to them next :)

[kas-chan]

Yes, everybody knows their own position. Ichigo knows his position too well, getting defeated by Grimmjaw twice preciously, being ripped a hole in the middle of his chest, where his heart is....I would have liked him better if he had just attacked Grimmjaw right, there and there for trying to squeeze Orihime's neck. Nooooo.....instead he is demanding Orihime now to heal him and Grimmjaw together.

Totally forgot about Rukia. AND Chad. With every minutes spent waiting for Orihime's healing powers to rejuvenate and refreshing him.....Rukia's blood, Chad's blood gets drained away.

Orihime's power could have been put into good use, by healing Rukia AND Chad.....but no, it's just used to nurse his wounded pride.

but we can see ichigo was in serious injured...how he"he had just attacked Grimmjaw right, there and there for trying to squeeze Orihime's neck. "

consider to the situation...even if ichigo wanted to help rukia n chad...he still have to beat gj...do u think gj will let him go so easy?! dun forget gj's purpose!
we have to consider the situation...not that he wan to fight or not...is the rivals force him to?! wat can he do beside of fight?!

"Orihime's power could have been put into good use, by heing Rukia AND Chad.....but no, it's just used to nurse his wounded pride."
i agree! but orihime dun feel the same as us! if she feel the same she wont just stand there (oops sorry out of topic...should post in the other thread)

hmm....everyone got their own set of thinking system....for me, i dun think anything is wrong for ichigo fight! he is using his way to protect his friends!
not only ichigo...chad, rukia, renji, ishida too....of coz there are still someone doing nothing beside crying...

[Velius]

Ok, enough of that. That was fun... not... Try and have some control people. I know it's not easy with certain people >.> ruining the thread, but geez. Closed, indefinitely.

~Vel