The minority votes for Clinton

[Marionette]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/02/08/tuchman.us.asian.vote.cnn?iref=videosearch

Asians vote more for Clinton = we hate change/we love white people? Why is the media so stupid?

The same thing is said about Latinos voting for Clinton, some people even go as far as calling immigrants racists. Do people actually think like that? Why does people have to defend their vote just because they are not voting for a African-American man? Couldn't they just choose candidates based on their immigration/foreign policy?

PS: I made a separate thread for this because the issues here is not about "which candidate do you support", I hope that's ok.

[earthforge]

I have to say that Asians and racial minorities may know what's going on even better than the general populace. I am not surprised with this vote.

I do know that 80% of the vote for Clinton was the Asians. They are a frugal group, and I think they see through Obama's strategy. The Chinese have never been really a celebrity culture. Nor have many other nations. Heh, my friends father is not a citizen yet he doesn't go for Obama (he evades the questions who he's advocating by saying he's not a citizen because his wife goes for Obama.)

But I am not surprised

[Bleu]

Ehh thats total bull from reporters. Clinton also got a majority of the female vote, so does that make it sexist? No. it is only statistics. It is a campaign strategy to appeal to certain masses, much like obama did with the latinos.

[Marionette]

Yeah, everyone have their own reasons to support their candidates; but this "you are racist if you don't vote for Obama" thing is just...and to go as far as accusing a whole ethnic group racist? Isn't that a little hypercritical? And that video pisses me off, the pick the wrong people who says the wrong things to try to generalize a whole population as "hate change" and a bit ignorant. And Latinos don't vote for Obama b/c they are rivals with African-Americans?

Obama didn't even try that hard to play identity didn't he? Why are people so focused on this?

[alexie]

OMG!!!:eek: That article was a complete and utter sh*t. Totally bias. They are CNN and they are giving the public this stuff. This is just simply low for the media, IMO.

I don't see why I have to feel bad for voting for Clinton and not Obama.:hm
I'm sorry, but the media is playing favorites again >_< They are going for the "underdog" and want to make it look like the voting isn't fair. Well, two can play at that game; let's talk about Alabama and Georgia. Please go look and tell me that the voters didn't vote for who they voted b/c of ethnicity. PLEASE! I'm a Hispanic/Latina/Mexican-American 1st generation (whatever the media whats to lable me ¬_¬), and I voted for Clinton b/c of what she has to OFFER and her IDEAS on the future. NOT B/C SHE IS WHITE AND FEMALE AND MOST CERTAINLY NOT B/C I'M AGAINST A BLACK PRESIDENT!! I just want the media to stop making it look like everyone is against Obama except "reasonable ppl that want change" :rolleyes:

I'm just sick and tired of this; they are making it look like minorities don't want change. I also agree with Marionette that they choose bad comments and generalized them. I say bias bull :yell


EDIT: I seemed to have put a lot of feeling into this post. I might have gone too off topic, but I'm not going to delete it. Mostly b/c I'm frustrated at how the media handles the way voters vote. I wasn't saying that the other parties are not informed; it's that some are being viewed as not being informed at all. Also, I've seen some stories like this one in (local) newspapers, and I just felt like bursting. Maybe, I should have put this in Anger Management

[emoloz]

I was going to say how on Earth could they work that out without plagiarism and such. The media are so stupid sometimes posting fake information. Aren't the votes all anonymous and stuff so how could they trace you to being Asian or black/white american/Latino? I wouldn't believe a word they say. They sure like to stir stuff up though. Were getting toones of news on this and most shows Obama for some strange reason with odd bits of Clinton and Mcain and the other guy for the democrats i think (there red right). They just like to blow it all up. I think the fact you have all these rallies are just stupid anyways though I guess its better though because you can decide who you want to represent the parties.

[Marionette]

@Spartan27 and everyone who has a different opinion: sorry about being so angry in this post, please try not be scared off by it. Yes this is a topic that I feel strongly about, but as I put this in the debate section and now I've had my rant, I really do want to see what people have to say and would try to keep a open mind.

But yeah, I was really shocked to see this because it came from CNN, and this is just blatantly inappropriate in my opinion.

[Spartan27]

Okay I guess I'll respond, I want to be careful about how I go about this, because I'm not trying to get into a war over this.

Perhaps I feel the need to defend my candidate, and this is why I feel like this, but I think for a minority of overall voters, there are some that vote based on the ethnicity or the sex of the candidate. What I mean is that there is a history in this country of competitiveness between minorities, this goes all the way back to the turn of the 19th and into the early 20th century. I think for a lot of folks the issue of a candidate being familiar is a issue, especially for cultures that are traditional or conservative. Do I think that this is the only reason why Asians or Latinos vote for Clinton? Hell no! I think that everyone votes based on their own feelings. Do I think these groups or somehow racist for voting against a Black man? Hell no! I think they are voting for Clinton not against a Black man.

The only thing in this thread that I have a problem with is the the statement that somehow Asians and Latinos are more informed on the issues, and that is why they are voting against Obama and for Clinton. That is extremely prejudice, and also a shot at the intelligence of me and my fellow supporters of Obama. It's like me saying the voters of Nebraska or Washington are more informed than the voters of California or New Jersey because they voted for Obama instead of Clinton, neither statement is right, you can be very informed on the issues and have a different opinion, people that vote for the other side shouldn't just be brushed off as being ignorant and stupid, sorry it doesn't work like that.

I think the Media isn't exactly biased, more like they go after stories that sell. They see a story that they know a good amount of people would be interested in and they go after it. It's bad journalism and I won't defend it.

The way we have these numbers I believe is due to exit polls, not on the actual results, as well pre-election polling.

So in conclusion, I think the journalism is bad and uncalled for, the issue though is somewhat half legitimate, but not because ethnicities are somehow racist, or against change.

[earthforge]

I unsurprisingly, don't agree with your post Spartan.

Racial mionorities will tend to not vote for another racial minority that isn't connected. That's just a general tendency.

But I think that Asians because of their lifestyle understand the true agenda and implications of Obama. When you are frugal and careful, one tends to analyze things much carefully than a well-fed and secured person. The secured person will trust everything around him. Frugals tend to be much more skeptical.

Excuse me if you are an Asian and believe in Obama. I'm talking about the majority though. My friend is an Asian and loves Obama. But the key is that she is highly individualistic and does not even read multiple newspapers or research. And I'm sorry if this doesn't apply to you, but it is my general idea of Asians as such. And I'm not being racist. I respect Asian culture and their methods.

If it's bad journalism, what is good journalism? This really gets on my nerves. You can say CNN is bad journalism because they post more stories on Clinton then Obama, yet they endorsed Obama.

I think the ethnicitys are much more suspicious of Obama because he sold out members of his own ethnicity down the river with a slumlord. They are aware of that.

Unfortunately, Obama-supporters tend to act like Huckabee supporters here. They ignore that part of his past just like Huckabee supporters ignore that he let a brutal rapist of the hook because he raped a distant relative of the Clintons.

[Spartan27]

Don't worry, I'm white.

I don't know if you can base your opinions on a friend of yours first of all, I understand what you are saying about Asians though. I am not going to try and say that I am expert on Asian culture because I'm not, but I just think its ignorant to just assume that all Asians are studying the issues with a higher degree of diligence. Perhaps the case is that Asians would be more comfortable with a candidate that they are more familiar with. I think you are twisting the argument to your own personal views. It's like saying, "oh Asians are voting for my girl, they must be more informed like I am." It just doesn't work that way. Again you are assuming that Obama supporters are completely ignorant and uninformed.

I'm also not surprised by the results, Asians as well as other minorities did very well during the 90s, so I would not be surprised by this conservative move in voting for the familiar.

I'm not upset that Asians or Latinos are voting for Clinton, I understand how she can be more appealing, I also don't think they should have to defend their vote, what I don't understand is how you can just assume that all Obama supporters are uninformed, and what I believe you are insinuating, which is being stupid. It's like you have this thing where if you don't think like me than you get put in the stupid pile, it's very closed minded of you.

To be honest I don't know what you want me to say about good journalism, if you want good journalism I would stay away from CNN and the like, the ones that spend hours on stuff such as a missing white southern blond girl in Aruba, stick to things such as the BBC or even better the News Hour with Jim Lehrer and other public broadcasting.

Lastly Obama worked about 5 hours on that deal with Rezko, he was a part of a law firm that did work with a church that did a joint deal with the man. This was not a close relationship, and thus the thing hasn't caught fire as a major issue. I think his years of work in community building also helps to offset this. So sorry the idea that he deserted his own people doesn't work in this case.

If this post is thought to belong in the Politics thread than I have no problem with it being moved.

[earthforge]

No, the Chinese are much more diligent. I know many. My Professor was, and she was definitely diligent. And I saw that it would be people like her who would vote for Clinton. Now, I assume that's the majority because that confirms it.

Instead of refuting it, try to make sense of it.

I don't take that back. I believe Obama supporters to be highly individualized and into this weird celebrity culture to the max. Which explains why they're voting a celebrity in.

I read those as well. I watch the News Hour. And I do know about Shields and Brookes. There is also SFgate, NYT, Epoch, etc that I read/watch. It's just that CNN is the site devoted to it. And you can see the little Obama-shipping comments in the below part.

BTW, again, could you give me the site name where you got this? I like my opponents to be a bit more accredited.

He sipped beer with a slum lord as he sold people down the river. So no, he still destroyed many people's lives. I for one do not wish to be one of them. He is like Calvin Coolidge, who believes the best thing is to do nothing. Cause his campaign is double or nothing, and the facts point to nothing.

[Spartan27]

The Rezco-Obama relationship is one where the senator has said personally that it was mistake to be associated with him, andhe has given any and all money away to charity, (the comment that I made was in reference to the debate, I assumed that was what you were talking about, upon further review I have decided you were refering to the relationship in general so my answer is a little different). This is not the reason why ethnicities are not voting for him, if that was the case then why are the people that you claim he deserted voting for him in such overwhelming numbers? Just to also let you know Rezco is known for supporting the Democrats, he even has posed for a picture with Bill and Hillary http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/photos_surfaces_of_hillary_cli.html, as well as contributed money to Bill's reelection campaign.

Do I really need to bring up Whitewater and Wal-Mart to show how Clinton has so much goodness in her heart? Working for a company that has caused destruction for so many small businesses as well being the bane to unions everywhere. to top it off does the name Norman Hsu ring a bell?

Please do not associate the Chinese as being like all Asians everywhere.

I am making sense of it, I see a group of people that have traditionally been called conservative voting for a person that has been associated with the economic success of the 90s as well as being someone that has been in the public eye longer than the other candidate. Being another minority does not help as well.

I guess by your logic the people in 19 states are just stupider than the people in 12 states. Ton of people out there that are stupid and uninformed. I guess I'm one of them. Perhaps I should just say that all people that are against Obama are also against the idea of "hope" or "change", by your logic there are a lot of senators, representatives, governors, and other politicians that are simply uninformed and stupid because they had the audacity to pick against your candidate, if only they paid attention to the issues, perhaps we wouldn't be in the situation, and Hillary would have her spot as the nominee. You just can't accept the idea that people can have other opinions than yourself, you can't imagine somebody looking at the same facts as you and picking the other guy. The idea that he is just a celebrity candidate is complete and utter bull, the question that I pose to you is why people like Edward Kennedy, Patrick Leahy, or Bill Bradley are endorsing him if he isn't ready for he job, or in your words a celebrity figure? These are not people that just throw out names, neither do the newspapers that have supported him. I mean if as you claim Obama won't do anything while in office, what is he going to do? Twiddle his thumbs, perhaps bowl in the presidential bowling alley, maybe he'll just watch movies of the people that he was endorsed by, being the celebrity that he is. Presidents don't become president to do nothing. They do it to become remembered as great men or women (just caught myself there) that changed the country for the better. Name me a presidential candidate that tried to became president in order to do nothing?

About CNN, what am I supposed to say? Am I supposed to defend their network? I didn't like the piece, I don't really like the network, I don't like cable news in general. Am I supposed to just say yes they are overwhelmingly in favor of Obama, I don't even really know since I don't have cable television, and I don't frequent their website since there are better ones out there.

some parts of this probably should be moved to the politics thread so I suggest that we move it there with any other responses.

[Marionette]

The only thing in this thread that I have a problem with is the the statement that somehow Asians and Latinos are more informed on the issues, and that is why they are voting against Obama and for Clinton. That is extremely prejudice, and also a shot at the intelligence of me and my fellow supporters of Obama. It's like me saying the voters of Nebraska or Washington are more informed than the voters of California or New Jersey because they voted for Obama instead of Clinton, neither statement is right, you can be very informed on the issues and have a different opinion, people that vote for the other side shouldn't just be brushed off as being ignorant and stupid, sorry it doesn't work like that.
I agree with every bit of this, and this is not the issue I intended in my post. Of course not one ethnicity is more well informed than the other! That was my whole point.

I won't guess what CNN's intention is, but the message there is clear unfair to Clinton and kind of racist toward Asians.

Racial mionorities will tend to not vote for another racial minority that isn't connected. That's just a general tendency.

But I think that Asians because of their lifestyle understand the true agenda and implications of Obama. When you are frugal and careful, one tends to analyze things much carefully than a well-fed and secured person. The secured person will trust everything around him. Frugals tend to be much more skeptical.

Excuse me if you are an Asian and believe in Obama. I'm talking about the majority though. My friend is an Asian and loves Obama. But the key is that she is highly individualistic and does not even read multiple newspapers or research. And I'm sorry if this doesn't apply to you, but it is my general idea of Asians as such. And I'm not being racist. I respect Asian culture and their methods.

I know that you know this is generalization, and I'm not offended or anything. But generalizations aren't very valid in debates. Personally, I don't think that they are valid in general.

However, my reasons for liking Clinton better that's related to me being Chinese are specific issues, like how the Clinton ministration had built economic relations between China and the US, and just from the way they speak it feel like that Hilliary would be a better diplomat (yeah I know about the "won't talk to certain leaders in the first three years" thing). Some people might favor her because they consider her immigration policies more immigrant friendly. But those are arguments that should be taken to the other thread.

[Shadoblak]

The bottom line here is that the media has been wrong so many times its ridiculous. and I don't care how many people of a race you know. You can't make stupid generalizations like that. I'm 19 and African American. Guess who I voted for and why. Go ahead. Guess...
Stuff like this pisses me off....At the end of the day people vote for who they like for whatever reason. It's their right, get the hell over it.