FC and Group Thread ownership claims

[Unicorn]

Hi everyone. As most of you know, BA has recently started on a new shiny slate and everyone signed up as a new forummer.

In this scenario, it would be extremely unfair to restrict new thread or FC ownership of any kind just in case someone else may sign up later. That is why I've put forward the decision of first-come, first-served for the new forum... in that way, we know for sure that the FC's will be managed by active forummers.

In addition, I request that all FC's start from version 1 or 0 depending on the owner. If the FC had a version 20 before and the same FC owner claimed the thread, maybe either add 'Version 1.20' in the thread title or state that it was version 20 in the first post. The reason for this would be to make it less confusing because there are no 20 prior versions to refer to, for example.

This decision does not only affect the claim thread, it impacts on all FC's and discussion threads in all sub-forums. Every FC owner is affected.

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I do understand that there are passionate FC owners who have maintained their lists and fanclub information for years before the reset - my sincere thanks for that. I completely understand that you don't wish to simply lose all that information.

If you'd like to dispute FC ownership or discuss any concerns, please PM me or post in this thread. I'm happy to contact all parties and discuss ownership transfer for the second Version, or co-ownership, or any other issues.

Thanks for your understanding.

Uni.

[silverquord]

Two Questions:

Some of the created FCs already have thread titles other than version 1 or 0. I tried to find a way to change the thread name, but can't find the means to do so. As an admin, is it possible to help modify the thread titles to comply with BA's initiative on the versioning convention?
- The thread name is also hardcoded in the URLs, so any change in thread name will require previously created links to a changed thread name to be readjusted (e.g. The links in the FC masterlist)
Can you explain further the difference between "version 1 and 0 depending on the owner"? (e.g. what circumstances is it a 1, or a 0) Sorry about this... maybe my common sense has eluded me, I don't quite understand :p



Editing the contents for the first banner post is doable, so at least the contents themselves with non V1/0 references can be easily rectified.

[Otome-san]

Two Questions:

Some of the created FCs already have thread titles other than version 1 or 0. I tried to find a way to change the thread name, but can't find the means to do so. As an admin, is it possible to help modify the thread titles to comply with BA's initiative on the versioning convention?
- The thread name is also hardcoded in the URLs, so any change in thread name will require previously created links to a changed thread name to be readjusted (e.g. The links in the FC masterlist)
Can you explain further the difference between "version 1 and 0 depending on the owner"? (e.g. what circumstances is it a 1, or a 0) Sorry about this... maybe my common sense has eluded me, I don't quite understand :p



Editing the contents for the first banner post is doable, so at least the contents themselves with non V1/0 references can be easily rectified.

1. You can ask any mod to help you change the thread title to v. 1 or whatever. :D I've already gotten some VM requests from club owners. Sending a VM will also help us keep track of changes so that we can update the master list.

1b. That's correct, but it's not a huge problem.

3. I think this means that it's up to the owner's discretion whether to start with 1 or 0. I'd actually start with 1, since no one starts counting by using 0. :D

Hope that helps.

[Sariniste]

I don't see why it can't be up to each FC owner to decide whether they want to keep their old title and version. I have backups of all previous FCs, so it's not like the version number exists in a vacuum. I could post all of the former versions if necessary to make it less confusing, but that seems a bit strange (and unnecessary). I'd just like our previous history to be acknowledged. That doesn't seem like too much to ask.

[Minerva]

I'm with Sariniste. We who are fans of a particular character or pairing have spent years achieving those version numbers. The only time a fc was asked to completely restart from v1 was when that ... large group of fans departed last year and wanted their fcs to completely restart as if they had never existed. Otherwise it's up to new owners if they want to start over or not. I have been simply picking up the fcs I run wherever we left off in our discussion as much as is possible under the circumstances.

Can we not simply acknowledge this as a continuation if a fc is still under old management? Google may still have caches of older versions if that is an issue. It usually takes some time for me to get anything de-indexed for my work, and that is with deliberate intent.

[Lady Valkyrie]

I don't see why it can't be up to each FC owner to decide whether they want to keep their old title and version. I have backups of all previous FCs, so it's not like the version number exists in a vacuum. I could post all of the former versions if necessary to make it less confusing, but that seems a bit strange (and unnecessary). I'd just like our previous history to be acknowledged. That doesn't seem like too much to ask.

I have to agree with Sari as well, some of the threads are still accessible through the wayback archive - maybe not in their entire forms but they definitely do exist and the shear numbers that some of the character FCs have reached goes well into the double digits - it seems slightly unfair to have all the FCs start from v1. Some of the FCs would also be 1.15V-ish and having a .15 on the end of a 1 digit seems a little bit odd. It would look even odder to me when it became 2.15, especially if I was a new member.

I imagine older members would understand/most likely already know by now that how many FCs there were aren't all exactly accessible and newer members could simply be informed of this on the FC page in the rules/index, I imagine.

[Unicorn]

Alright, thanks for the feedback Sariniste, Minerva, Lady Valkyrie. I do appreciate hearing opinions from the experienced FC owners - yes the points brought up are reasonable, especially the proud history behind the FC's and the confusion about the numbering system.

My reasoning for asking everyone to start from Version 1 is listed above. I can offer a subforum for 'FC archives' if anyone wants to link things from there.

May I ask if there are any other FC owners with their opinions and suggestions on how this can be best resolved? Please post them here.

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I've never experienced something that affected a whole list of FC's before, so I really wanted to be careful how to proceed from here.

That was the reason why I put across the decision on everyone starting as if BA had just started up.

If anyone has any suggestions on a workable and fair system across the board, taking into consideration former and new FC managers as well as differing quantities of saved FC historical material, please I'd like to hear your opinions. :)

Edit: I'll start a poll once I have some workable suggestions. Thanks in advance.

[B. Haddrell]

I am one of the owners of the Ishida x Ichigo FC and noticed that Silverquord changed the numbering to 1.2 (more accurately, Otome-san did it for her).

I think this system is a good idea. This way both numberings are easily visible: The first version in the newly started BA after two previous versions.

I leave it to LeaT how she wants to handle the numbering of the other three FCs in which I am part of an owner team. I wasn`t able to discuss this with her yet. So far the Ichigo FC here ended up with no numbering whatsoever.

It seems LeaT would have to choose from three options:

* version 1. (and then total amount of versions in original BA like the example above)
* version 1
* leave it without a number. I guess that is possible too. Correct?

I suggest that the numbering system will be explained in a FAQ about FCs and also among the rules and regulations about this topic.

[Otome-san]

BH: Yes, it would be fine to forgo a version number altogether. :D

Once the administrators and mods have finalized a workable numbering policy, we'll post it for everyone to read.

Only colored names can change the titles of threads, so owners should feel free to contact us if they need to change their FC titles for any reason.

[Sariniste]

I'm with Sariniste. We who are fans of a particular character or pairing have spent years achieving those version numbers. The only time a fc was asked to completely restart from v1 was when that ... large group of fans departed last year and wanted their fcs to completely restart as if they had never existed. Otherwise it's up to new owners if they want to start over or not. I have been simply picking up the fcs I run wherever we left off in our discussion as much as is possible under the circumstances.

Can we not simply acknowledge this as a continuation if a fc is still under old management? Google may still have caches of older versions if that is an issue. It usually takes some time for me to get anything de-indexed for my work, and that is with deliberate intent.


I have to agree with Sari as well, some of the threads are still accessible through the wayback archive - maybe not in their entire forms but they definitely do exist and the shear numbers that some of the character FCs have reached goes well into the double digits - it seems slightly unfair to have all the FCs start from v1. Some of the FCs would also be 1.15V-ish and having a .15 on the end of a 1 digit seems a little bit odd. It would look even odder to me when it became 2.15, especially if I was a new member.

I imagine older members would understand/most likely already know by now that how many FCs there were aren't all exactly accessible and newer members could simply be informed of this on the FC page in the rules/index, I imagine.

These are both excellent points, Minerva and Lady Valkyrie. I completely agree. Thanks for your clear and reasoned arguments.


If anyone has any suggestions on a workable and fair system across the board, taking into consideration former and new FC managers as well as differing quantities of saved FC historical material, please I'd like to hear your opinions. :)

Uni, thanks for your openness to being fair and validating the concerns of those of us who have put countless volunteer hours over years to take care of our FCs.

My suggestion is simple: leave the choice up to the individual FC owner. That is fair for everyone. Rules should be made to keep the forum running smoothly, but something like this doesn't really affect how the forum runs at all. There is no need for a new rule on this.

Why should any user have any say in an FC that they don't participate in? I don't dictate how Minerva runs her FC; nor would she PM me to tell me to change my title to suit her needs. :) That way everything runs smoothly, even though we all have different preferences and/or dislikes.

[Azley]

I understand both parties but if I imagine that I freshly register here without ever being in touch with BA I'd be totally lost and confused if one FC has a number 1, the other has a number 20 and I search for hours without finding those mysterious other 19 versions to look them up.
The waybackmachine is good but can only store a few pages (at best) from each thread - or 0 pages in some cases so no hopes of copying everything over there.
On the other hand people will only visit the active FC's anyway and some don't care fr older versions so I assume many don't care for the number (or don't even read the title till the Number and click as soon as they see the characters name lmao).

Of course we don't want to tell anybody how to lead their fanclub but we need a structure in this.

While personally I don't really care what number is behind each FC I try to see it from a newbie's PoV.

My suggestion in an example:

"Character XYZ - Fancy-Headline [CV 1 | FV 10]"

CV = Current Version
FV = Former Version

Would be easy and the terms could be added to the rules or a separate announcement thread.

[wanda lensherr]

Tbh i agree with Sari however i can see Azley point on the current and former abbrv being incorporated in the titles. For me i have never really payed attention to the titles as in what number they hit already vs the number chronological order it should be lol but thats just me. As long as there is some reference for everyone here and now (due to the ba state before) that their beloved fcs are up and running and its really an cv or fv may help clear up the confusion that is still among us. This is my humble opinion strictly :)

[Minerva]

My suggestion is simple: leave the choice up to the individual FC owner. That is fair for everyone. Rules should be made to keep the forum running smoothly, but something like this doesn't really affect how the forum runs at all. There is no need for a new rule on this.

Why should any user have any say in an FC that they don't participate in? I don't dictate how Minerva runs her FC; nor would she PM me to tell me to change my title to suit her needs. :) That way everything runs smoothly, even though we all have different preferences and/or dislikes.
I think this is a reasonable solution, and it's really no different from before. Any new owners (and that seems to be most of the FCs at the moment) can decide how they want to proceed. The rest of us can continue on with as little disturbance as possible.


I understand both parties but if I imagine that I freshly register here without ever being in touch with BA I'd be totally lost and confused if one FC has a number 1, the other has a number 20 and I search for hours without finding those mysterious other 19 versions to look them up.
The problem though is, how is this less confusing from joining an established forum that has fcs on different version numbers? Does any new member really sit down and look through all 19 previous versions? I didn't do such a thing until ownership was transferred to me, and that was for fcs which had considerably fewer than 19 versions.

Due to the ever-updating nature of the manga, FCs tend to focus more on current discussion in my experience. What we thought about a character a year ago may no longer be relevant to today's discussion. Facts and scans that are more "evergreen" tend to end up in the first post for easy reference.

It would be a small matter to add a note to the first post about the posts from older versions being lost on such date due to forum issues, to eliminate any possible confusion. If we have (or can get) backups of our older posts, an archive section might not be a bad thing, but I don't know that it's strictly necessary.

At the moment I also take the approach that it's bad enough we all lost our post counts and rep points due to something beyond our control. Must our fcs version numbers be forcibly removed as well?

[Black Kaiser]

While personally I don't really care what number is behind each FC I try to see it from a newbie's PoV.

My suggestion in an example:

"Character XYZ - Fancy-Headline [CV 1 | FV 10]"



Imo a [CV 1 | FV 10] would be more confusing than a simple [V.10] XD

I believe that we bit overestimate the degree of confusion of the new members seeing the old numbers. Tbh, judging from myself, I don't think that a newbie will even care for the older FC's versions that much. He/she will be there for discussion and opinion sharing, and it's not like you need to have read the older versions to participate in the current one. Besides, I believe that you should continue the count from the previous versions for the simple reason that the numbers kinda demonstrate the long history of the Bleach Asylum forums. New server and owner, this isn't a new forum, it is still BA, the best Bleach forum on the internet, it has it's own history as a community and a certain continuity. The numbers will give a newbie that impression and that's a good thing. I don't think he/she will be confused at all.

And believe it or not, for us, the old members, it will give us a certain sense of familiarity seeing the old numbers in the titles. After many weeks without it, it will help us adapt to our "good ol'" BA we were used to, smoothly.

And now my main argument: "Come on, fellas. Please!!!!" :p

[Sariniste]

I understand both parties but if I imagine that I freshly register here without ever being in touch with BA I'd be totally lost and confused if one FC has a number 1, the other has a number 20 and I search for hours without finding those mysterious other 19 versions to look them up.
The waybackmachine is good but can only store a few pages (at best) from each thread - or 0 pages in some cases so no hopes of copying everything over there.
On the other hand people will only visit the active FC's anyway and some don't care fr older versions so I assume many don't care for the number (or don't even read the title till the Number and click as soon as they see the characters name lmao).

I empathize with your desire to prevent confusion, but I think your second statement is more likely; I know as a newbie I never read the version numbers anyway and I certainly didn't look for previous versions. Actually, seeing different version numbers other than 1 would make it clear to me that the FC threads are capped at some number of posts. Other forums don't have a post cap, so variable numbers might even make things less confusing. :)


The problem though is, how is this less confusing from joining an established forum that has fcs on different version numbers? Does any new member really sit down and look through all 19 previous versions? I didn't do such a thing until ownership was transferred to me, and that was for fcs which had considerably fewer than 19 versions.
Great point!


At the moment I also take the approach that it's bad enough we all lost our post counts and rep points due to something beyond our control. Must our fcs version numbers be forcibly removed as well?
Definitely agreed!! :D I think some of us are still feeling some grief over the loss of the previous BA, and I think it's important to acknowledge that grief as part of the healing process, and allow us to keep our symbols and memorabilia, so that we can make the new BA better than ever. When my beloved dog died in an accident, one (rather unpleasant) relative of mine said, “Why are you crying so much? It's not like you lost a family member. You can always get a new dog.” She wanted me to get rid of my dog's old collar and name tags, saying, “Why are you keeping those dirty old things?”


Imo a [CV 1 | FV 10] would be more confusing than a simple [V.10] XD
Exactly! If I were a newbie, seeing "CV" and "FV" would make me utterly confused.

[Azley]

Well it was just a suggestion. I'd say we wait for the poll and we'll do what the majority thinks is best (thats the latest I got out of our Modchat fyi).

As said personally I don't care either way (if it stays the way it is it means less work for the staff lmao).

[Lady Rukia]

I join Sariniste, Lady Valkyrie, Black Kaiser and Minerva.

I think as owners we should be allowed to keep the ofrmer numbers. BA might start over and members are back on board and I am quite sure those members would love feeling it's like nothing happened and they would love seeing we kept some aspects of BA.

Fan-clubs are part of BA history and BA attracted lots of people thanks to fan-clubs. I registered here for joing a certain fan-club I won't deny that. And I think I lvoed this apsect of constant movement and change.

We could feel the change thanks to the numbers, the new titles, everything. And even whan BA wasn't here, it was like things were still running. Besides old bounds became stronger after everything being back.

So we assumed because we build fan-clubs thanks to our bonds and because we knew perfectly people would be back on time, we didn't change the numbers. I think fan-clubs are a way to fix people and things here.

Those numbers say for us, things are still runing whatever happened. So keeping the old numbers is like saying: don't fear anything, we are still here to build again and again our communities.

So I think we shouldn't change our numbers.

[Ceria]

You guys are putting way too much thought into this, either continue the last number or start over with the next higher numeral. We're back so let's continue as if we never left.

[Flare-Flare]

Just stepping in to leave my personal opinion like everybody else.^^

I understand why some people may feel that ALL FCs should go back to version 1. They might "look nicer" and are less likely to confuse new members I guess.

However....


I believe FC owners should be allowed to choose whether or not to keep their number as well. The FC number represents the history, pride, and struggle of the FCs. Some of the fan clubs in danger of being "demoted" have survived quite a number perils. Owners would leave. FCs would die due to inactivity. Bleach Asylum gets completely wiped out. Even after all these hardships, some FCs REFUSED to go down. When the owners left, a mod was messaged to update the member list until the FC could move to a new version. When a FC was slowly dying because of inactivity, the lone 1-3 members fought to keep posting to keep it afloat. When Bleach Asylum went down and was wiped out, some FC owners were ready with their backups and brought their FCs back up to the way they were. Owners and members did this for a reason. It was to keep the spirit and pride of the FC alive. It was to continue the tradition of moving the FC to the next version. The FC I co-own right now is on it's sixth version. Never in my wildest dream did I think my FC would get as far as it has. I am also sure that if my FC gets demoted, we will never reach that number again. :( I was lucky enough to see three versions of it myself. I don't want to see all our hard work ignored by going back to version 1. We should continue to run our FCs the way they were before BA went down.

[Unicorn]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Popular majority opinion seems to be keeping the current version number.

Will the FC owners re-upload the FC content into that version's thread, or should I consider opening a sub-forum for 'archived FC's'? Or is that not required?

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If anyone has any other concerns or issues, please feel free to voice them here or to any of the mods.

:)

[Azley]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Popular majority opinion seems to be keeping the current version number.

Will the FC owners re-upload the FC content into that version's thread, or should I consider opening a sub-forum for 'archived FC's'? Or is that not required?.

My question would be: our FC owners are all very dedicated and they have collected so much material over the past that the fron posts nearly burst our limits (which is amazing btw).

So my question is: is there even anything from "back then" to save or is it already there because new stuff was constantly added through the versions till now (front post)?

If we create an archive how would that be? Do certain owner have all the FC's saved on their PC? oÔ (I mean all versions, all 100+ pages each?) or should we just link what is left from the wayback machine? Or are there any other webcrawler (machines) who saved stuff from previous BA?

[Sariniste]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Popular majority opinion seems to be keeping the current version number.

Will the FC owners re-upload the FC content into that version's thread, or should I consider opening a sub-forum for 'archived FC's'? Or is that not required?

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If anyone has any other concerns or issues, please feel free to voice them here or to any of the mods.

:)
Thanks for listening, Uni! :D My feeling on an archive for older FCs is that it's up to you. I do have all the front posts archived as well as a rather large number of "good" posts, images, and links that I kept, and I'd be happy to restore them here if you wanted them. But I'd be equally happy to just post the material in the new FC over time.


My question would be: our FC owners are all very dedicated and they have collected so much material over the past that the fron posts nearly burst our limits (which is amazing btw).

So my question is: is there even anything from "back then" to save or is it already there because new stuff was constantly added through the versions till now (front post)?

If we create an archive how would that be? Do certain owner have all the FC's saved on their PC? oÔ (I mean all versions, all 100+ pages each?) or should we just link what is left from the wayback machine? Or are there any other webcrawler (machines) who saved stuff from previous BA?

Thanks, Azley. :) No, alas, I did not save all 100 pages each. :( (Although I did consider doing that once, and now wish I had. :( ) But I do have a huge amount of material and plan on reposting it slowly. (It's a lot easier for me to make backups than it is to manually restore everything, so that would take quite some time.)

[Lady Valkyrie]

So my question is: is there even anything from "back then" to save or is it already there because new stuff was constantly added through the versions till now (front post)?

If we create an archive how would that be? Do certain owner have all the FC's saved on their PC? oÔ (I mean all versions, all 100+ pages each?) or should we just link what is left from the wayback machine? Or are there any other webcrawler (machines) who saved stuff from previous BA?

As an example, Lady Rukia and I nearly lost all the data we had for our front page but via the wayback machine we managed to retrieve just about all of it and are slowly rebuilding it at the moment. Belias also has a link in his signature to the wayback archive (though it doesn't always work and can be a bit frustrating at times, but it usually comes round :) ) so isn't that not acknowledging our history?

Around about October 4th seems to get through the most of the site.


My suggestion is simple: leave the choice up to the individual FC owner. That is fair for everyone. Rules should be made to keep the forum running smoothly, but something like this doesn't really affect how the forum runs at all. There is no need for a new rule on this.

Why should any user have any say in an FC that they don't participate in? I don't dictate how Minerva runs her FC; nor would she PM me to tell me to change my title to suit her needs. :) That way everything runs smoothly, even though we all have different preferences and/or dislikes.

I like Sariniste's suggestion, I know several owners would have done more than 1 or 2 versions of their FC and that would have put a lot of time consuming hours into there old versions. I do see Azley's point as well, though when I was a new member I didn't think anything of the [V.10] or [V.1] and didn't go looking through the archives for older versions. I would have just assumed that after a "new" version was made it took the place of the old one/the old one got deleted as to not take up as much space or data on the website.

[Minerva]

Thank you, Unicorn and Azley! :D

I don't think we strictly need an archive. I kept all the goodies and interesting stuff for the first post, and kept backups of the current version of the first post as things were added. The current first post for each fc is already the most recent version.

So no, unless someone really wants it, I don't think we really need to go through that much trouble to make an archive area.

[Otome-san]

Thank you, Unicorn and Azley! :D

I don't think we strictly need an archive. I kept all the goodies and interesting stuff for the first post, and kept backups of the current version of the first post as things were added. The current first post for each fc is already the most recent version.

So no, unless someone really wants it, I don't think we really need to go through that much trouble to make an archive area.

What I suggested in the Aizen club is to periodically post 'best of' messages, in which owners can simply post some of the best messages from previous versions, maybe even pertaining to a particular theme. :D Cutting and pasting wouldn't be any trouble.

Is that perhaps an acceptable substitute for archival?

[jovaine]

Otome sent me a message when BA was back in business and I registered early enough to regain ownership of both the FC's I used to own- Byakuya and Fairy Tail. Both of them were previously owned by prolific older members of BA- emoloz and imamess, and while both of them have exceeded at least five versions already, I don't mind if we do start from version one again. I understand that some people may have sentimental feelings and also the feeling of loss for a great many meaningful and interesting discussions, but a fresh start can be a good thing. The only time I have ever looked through the previous versions was to check the front post, and I have never read through the thread again, unless a post was linked in the front post or someone else brought it up. That said, I did have the front post of my Byakuya FC saved in my laptop as I spent quite some time trawling the internet for information though I never did keep the member list, but I only had the banner for the Fairy Tail FC saved in my imageshack account because I had initially thought that I'd only be taking over from messy for only one version.

tl;dr- I'd like to say that it's up to the FC owners whether they want to start from scratch, but I understand that it might create some confusion later. More versions equals more popularity in most cases, and new members may find it weird. However, this is simply my opinion and you guys are free to point out where you disagree with me. Personally, I will choose to start from version one again. New beginnings and all.

[Snesknight]

Might be a silly question, but if we alreadyy had the FC before, does it still have to be mod approved? I imagine so, so follow up question: can we claim, or reserve FCs? For example, I used to be the Dragon Ball Z FC owner, but its very hard to create it again on my phone (only way I can do it right now), could I "claim" it, until I have a good means to create it again?

[Azley]

As said: you guys are awesome because it takes a lot of time and dedication to collect all that stuff :D

If anyone needs any help to collect stuff or help with setting it up feel free to write me a PM.

Also because it's pretty much decided: If any "old" owner who has his FC at V1. wants the old number back contact me or another Mod so we can change the title for you.

[Amami]

There's another issue I would like to mention. I'm kind of... aggravated :D that there's no Grimmjow FC as for the time being. I cannot remember who the owner of old FC was or I don't own the contact information. I would love to start Grimmjow FC with a friend of my here but we still hesitate to open one because we have respect for old owners and we don't know if it's fair to open a new one without their knowledge. We don't know if it's fair to open a new FC. What should we do? :( I know it may be silly but it makes us worried.

[jovaine]

There's another issue I would like to mention. I'm kind of... aggravated :D that there's no Grimmjow FC as for the time being. I cannot remember who the owner of old FC was or I don't own the contact information. I would love to start Grimmjow FC with a friend of my here but we still hesitate to open one because we have respect for old owners and we don't know if it's fair to open a new one without their knowledge. We don't know if it's fair to open a new FC. What should we do? :( I know it may be silly but it makes us worried.

If I'm not mistaken, it was purpleroseninja.

[Azley]

There's another issue I would like to mention. I'm kind of... aggravated :D that there's no Grimmjow FC as for the time being. I cannot remember who the owner of old FC was or I don't own the contact information. I would love to start Grimmjow FC with a friend of my here but we still hesitate to open one because we have respect for old owners and we don't know if it's fair to open a new one without their knowledge. We don't know if it's fair to open a new FC. What should we do? :( I know it may be silly but it makes us worried.

Well since it is "first come, first serve" feel free to open the FC :)

I'm sure that if the original owner comes back he can act as Co-owner in the first version and if you'd be willing to switch to Co once V2 is up you can do that (or just talk to the original owner then, i'm sure an arrangement can be made)

[Sariniste]

As said: you guys are awesome because it takes a lot of time and dedication to collect all that stuff :D

If anyone needs any help to collect stuff or help with setting it up feel free to write me a PM.

Also because it's pretty much decided: If any "old" owner who has his FC at V1. wants the old number back contact me or another Mod so we can change the title for you.
Thank you Azley and Unicorn! :) BA is the greatest!!!

[Otome-san]

I think this has been resolved to everyone's satisfaction.

In summary:

Fan clubs are "first come, first served." This means that you don't need to wait for the previous owner to start a fan club.

Returning owners may retain the same version numbers they had in the previous version of BA. They don't need to start with version 1.