Pairings that are most likely to happen. *poll*

[Axie]

Express you're opinion, which pairings in your eyes are most likely to happen?

[Annie]

Why don't you make a poll that people can vote then? I think that's a better idea.

[Axie]

I was typing up the people in the poll slots lol. It posted the topic before I had a chance to finish typing up the pairings. ^^;

I think IchiRuki and Ulquihime have a very good chance at this point. Kubo seems to love drawing out very detailed expressions and interactions between those two pairings.

[Cara]

Putting aside my biased-ness, when you really look at bleach as a whole, it points to Ichiruki. What other pairing knows each other as well and get along together as well? Who else has supported each other that well and can keep each other strong??? What about the pairing that gets most Bleach page time? None, I shall say. Well, that was my 2 cents. Feel free to agree or otherwise.:D

[Ileenka]

I voted for:

Ichigo x Rukia
Ishida x Orihime
Aizen x Hinamori
Matsumoto x Gin
Shunsui x Nanao
Ulquiorra x Orihime


XD

[Annie]

LOL I voted IchiRuki for sure. With how Kubo develop this pairing, I can't see Ichigo or Rukia end up with anyone else. Their relationship is balance and equal like no other.

[Cara]

I can smell the ichiruki in here. *Smells some more* That's the way I like it :P At first I wasn't sure about OrihimexUlquiorra, but it's grown on me. Mostly, I wonder what the babies would look like.

[Syn]

Lol Cara. While I do like UlqHime, I think it's unlikely to happen. IshiHime, I like too, but it's been so long that there has been little to no interaction... if anything, IchiRuki is the most likely to happen, and all the others will have either sad ending (GinRan T_T) or open ending (IshiHime?).

[hyiceme]

IchiRuki! The only pairing I support!^_^

[Cara]

Lol Cara. While I do like UlqHime, I think it's unlikely to happen. IshiHime, I like too, but it's been so long that there has been little to no interaction... if anything, IchiRuki is the most likely to happen, and all the others will have either sad ending (GinRan T_T) or open ending (IshiHime?).

We can be wishful can't we? While it may be cute and I like it, I know in the back of my mind UlquixHime will never happen.

I honestly don't care as long as there is ichiruki. I wouldn't care if all the other characters I like were killed off.:D And that includes Nell and Grimmjow.:eek:

[Gintoki]

Though i like many pairings, i think that NONE will happen. That's the golden rule of the Shonen

[spacecat]

Just a quick reminder: any negative comments towards a particular pairing will probably be considered as baiting for a ship war. Bans for anyone who does that. We also don't need 3 posts per person to discuss why they love a pairing, go join the fc's for that. Sorry to be so harsh but sadly I've seen this type of thread turn to hell before and I don't want it happening here thanks.

I voted Aizen x Hina, it already has canon penetration.

[spacecat]

I'm sorry if me writing about 'seeing Orihime too much for my opinion' looked like offensing fans.I neither had no intention for starting a ship war, nor have it for any time. But if it seems like it, then I can delete my message and apologise for breaking a rule or something.
I wasn't aiming that at you, it's for everyone. However if Orihime has nothing to do with your choice of pairing most likely to happen then I don't see why she needs to be mentioned in this thread by you.

[Syn]

Though i like many pairings, i think that NONE will happen. That's the golden rule of the Shonen
Just how many shounen have you read? Because you certainly missed the tons where there are pairings, may it be way before the end or at the end.

[Shannon]

UlquiHime grew on me, so I'll pick that because I want it to happen, and obviously IchiRuki, for the same reasons most people put here.

And HitsuHina because I used to think that pair would happen a lot. :D

[Riekie]

okay, I voted IchixHime and RenjixRukia.

IchixHime because they are ALIVE and look cute togetherXD
RenjixRukia because I think they look great together! childhood friends..what's more of there to aim for?

[Syn]

Ichigo's still dead in my book XD

[Shannon]

Ichigo's still dead in my book XD
Didn't he kinda die when Urahara like, uhm, cut his soul chain? Or whatever it's called, I can't recall the specific name(?).

[Annie]

Didn't he kinda die when Urahara like, uhm, cut his soul chain? Or whatever it's called, I can't recall the specific name(?).

Yep, so basically his body is his gigai. His chain of fate was cutted so he's no longer considered human in Bleach universe.

[Axie]

he's no longer considered human in Bleach universe.

Yeah, he isn't really a shinigami either, he's a Vizard.

[Slev]

I don't really understand this misconception that pairings cannot happen in shounen. The majority of shounen series I have seen have at least one pairing by the end of the series. There is no "golden rule" for pairings in shounen.

Anyway, I voted for Ichigo/Rukia.

[Dice]

I vote Ichigo/Rukia and Ulqui/Hime - I kind of want the second one to happen more than the first at this point o_____o.

[debbiechan]

I'm totally convinced IchiRuki is in the process of "happening." IshiHime is my OTP and I think it has a shot--although like Syn said, I expect an open, suggested ending for those two. Hinamori and Hitsugaya seem like another "maybe" open-ended eventuality.

Gin and Ran--as much as I love them--are so doomed.
Ulqui and Hime--as much as I like their interaction--looks tragic already, so just imagine them as a couple. It would be really weird if Kubo goes that way.

[ichiruki4eva]

I'm totally convinced IchiRuki is in the process of "happening."

yes, yes same here!! Ichiruki is a must ^_^
anyways, I obviously voted 4 ichiruki!!
Although I love Ulqihime, I honestly can't see
the pairing happening to this point -_- (even with
the kawaii guilty look and stare)... I wish I did o.0
so therefore, I only voted for ichiruki :p

[Geta Boshi]

Ichi/Ruki thats most likely to happen after KonXPyon : D

[speedphantom]

Though i like many pairings, i think that NONE will happen. That's the golden rule of the ShonenHmm mixed bag with the shounen pairings stuff but I just feel Bleach won't have any somehow apart from the ones which already exist........only pairing which is actually alive is Urahara x Yoruichi I says =p.UlquiHime grew on me, so I'll pick that because I want it to happen, and obviously IchiRuki, for the same reasons most people put here.

And HitsuHina because I used to think that pair would happen a lot. :DHitsuHina! I don't think so somehow but I still have my dreams!! ='(Yep, so basically his body is his gigai. His chain of fate was cutted so he's no longer considered human in Bleach universe.Gigai is a fake body, his body is real though. But yeah, not a human XD.Ichi/Ruki thats most likely to happen after KonXPyon : DKonPyon! Gotta love the rhyming! Definitely KonPyon ^^ modsoulness <3!

I voted IchiHime since there's most suggestion towards that at the moment but I have no idea if anyone in the "triangle" is going to end up with each other.

MatsuGin since there's considerable evidence there, will end in tragedy but maybe something will happen in the mean time.

HitsuHina of course! Hinamori is the only person who can make Hitsugaya smile. FACT! ^_____^:p

[Shannon]

I vote Ichigo/Rukia and Ulqui/Hime - I kind of want the second one to happen more than the first at this point o_____o.

Ditto, although albeit this pair might have a tragic end. *sob* T__T
Ulquiorra, noo~!

HitsuHina of course! Hinamori is the only person who can make Hitsugaya smile. FACT! ^_____^
Haha, yeah. Fact! Hinamori just needs a whack on the head.

EDIT: Byakuya's spelled wrong on the poll. o.O; Or...?

[speedphantom]

Yeah it is spelt wrong. The Byakuya x Rukia one is just wrong though >_>

Hinamori will wake up and find that Hitsu loves her XD

[yanniv]

Out of the options up top, I picked Ichigo x Orihime because that was the only one that seems the most likely.

I would also like to see a Kaien x Rukia in the future maybe? :D

[furato]

I voted IchiHime since there's most suggestion towards that at the moment but I have no idea if anyone in the "triangle" is going to end up with each other. Triangle? Don't you mean pentagon? XD

I'm not touching the pentagon because when I remember that Kubo reads Honey and Clover, he might just throw a twist at the end. At this point I have a hunch of who likes who, but it tends to change along with story development.

Out of the poll choices... I'd pick Shunsui/Nanao because I think even now it's implied canon. Valentine's V-Jump comic? The almost forehead kiss during Yama-jii fight? The pairing may not be my thing but it's not as one-sided as it seems.

And GinRan. The fans love them despite generally believing that they're doomed. (Guilty as charged here.) But even if they end up tragically, if it happens it would still be canon, isn't it? Like Yamanami/Akesato in Peacemaker Kurogane.

[MCRdeathGOD]

I voted: IchiRuki
&
I also voted IshiHime

[NeoSapien]

I voted for Ichigo x Rukia, Shunsui x Nanao and Ishida x Orihime.

Ichigo x Rukia has had a huge amount of development and, though Ichigo and Rukia have been guarded about their feelings, it has had many dramatic reunions and moments with strong romantic overtones. Also, Orihime has been implied to believe that Ichigo is in love with Rukia, and she is very perceptive towards Ichigo's feelings.

Shunsui x Nanao is loosely implied canon (though not much more than Yoruichi x Soi Fong) and has no competition, so it's a safe bet.

Ishida x Orihime has been very neglected in development recently, but it did have a lot of development in the Soul Society arc and could easily be an implied pairing at the end of the manga; I think that it is more likely than any other pairing for Orihime, at least.

[Mei]

I voted for Ichigo x Rukia, because IMO this is the most likely pairing to eventually happen in the end.
Even if we don´t get to see a kiss between the two, I think Kubo will make it obvious for the readers that Ichigo and Rukia won´t leave each other.
I keep my fingers crossed for IchiRuki happening in the end! ^_^

[Ness]

Ichigo Ruki
Renji Ruki (guilty)
Mats Gin
Ulq Hime (*Dance*)

[Geta Boshi]

Ichigo is dead as a turkey his soul chain is cut in episode 18 . Other pairings I do see happening are GinXRan and NanaoXShunshui

[missyjerissy]

ULQUIHIME!! ULQUIHIME!! :D theyre canon :rolleyes: <3 <3 too bad i cant vote ..? :confused:

[Emi-Shimizu]

Ichi/Ruki all the way <3

[Sora Chan]

I voted Ichixhime, Renruki, GinRan, and Hitsuhina. Why? Because I do believe it will happen. GinRan might be tragic, but still there.

[Byakuya]

IchiRuki, HitsuHina all the way.

[Jaws]

Ichi x Ruki ... they fit like peanut butter and jelly ^^

[ilovemybishies]

IchiRuki: It's not just a-brick-to-the-head obvious. It's more like a-whole-brick-house-to-the-head obvious. XD I'd more shocked if it DIDN'T happen.

UlquiHime: It's....quasi-canon? Seriously, I forget that it technically isn't canon at times...

GinRan: It'll be angsty, but yeah...

HitsuHina: As long as Hinamori gets over this Aizen obsession...DX

[Inuhanyou]

I'd say ichiruki, no pairing is as obvious..although it may just be that kubo wants the two main characters to have alot of time together, but i don't belive just that is the reason..

[mori]

where's my urahara x yoruichi D:

or is that already counted as a canon pairing >_>

i voted ichiruki (she's who ichigo cares most for bar famiily), hitsuhina (probably) and shunanao (just sweet ><)

[Raiden]

what about Shinji x Hiyori?

[Dice]

Shinji x Hiyorin is practically canon! :P

[Michelle]

I voted for Renji/Rukia, Ichigo/Rukia and Gin/Rangiku. I can see Ulquiorra ending up as an important person in Inoue's life, though :3

I can also see some good hints for Shinji/Hiyorin *hearts*

Shinji x Hiyorin is practically canon! :P
SQUEE! I agree x3

[speedphantom]

where's my urahara x yoruichi D:

or is that already counted as a canon pairing >_>

i voted ichiruki (she's who ichigo cares most for bar famiily), hitsuhina (probably) and shunanao (just sweet ><)I'd say Urahara x Yoruichi are already a couple so they aren't a pairing, since yeah, its already happened ^^

[neurofreez]

Voted:

Ichigo x Rukia
Aizen x Hinamori
Hitsugaya x Hinamori

At this point, the first one is obvious, and I think the last two have an equal chance of happening.

[StarryInoueSky]

Ichigo x Orihime because lately it's been pointing to that.

[Kupp]

Ichigo x Rukia (Of course. <3)
Hitsugaya x Hinamori (Probably, atleast I hope so.)
Matsumoto x Gin (They are a cute couple.)
AND
Ulquiorra x Orihime (<3)

[Beee]

where's IchiTatsuki?!?! :eek: I think there should be an "other pairings" option though ;)

Honestly, I somehow can't see most pairings known happen, except gin/rangiku and ichitatsuki.

[ChireMae]

Ichiruki, although I do have a soft spot for Kairuki, Renruki and Byaruki (hey they are not related by blood ;)

Ichigo x Orihime because lately it's been pointing to that.

Have to respectly disagree, if you look at Ichigo's interaction with Nell, Orihime (about the same -- the reassuring smiles, the apologies and the please-stand-in-the-corner-so-you-dont-get-hurt-bit, plus Nell got a ride and a caress) plus comparing that with the emotional and very personal ichiruki interactions in Vol 18 & 19 you'll understand what I mean. :)

[StarryInoueSky]

Well, it's good for your disagreement. :) But in my opinion, it's been pointing to that.

Thank you though, for pointing out where I can find the IchiRuki emotion/very personal stuff. :)

[ChireMae]

[QUOTE=StarryInoueSky;10430]Well, it's good for your disagreement. :) But in my opinion, it's been pointing to that.

Yup, I have no problem to agree to disagree :) That the beauty and power of Kubo's drawing do you think so? It could be intepreted in so many different ways, I have never seen so many detail analysis on manga panels before :D
Anyway, I forgot to mentioned that I have always like Orihime/Ishida, has a fair chance of hapenning I feel as well as Gin/Matsumoto and Matsumoto/Hitsugaya ;) although the chances of the last two is slimmer.

[Zelos]

im not really into pairings and stuff, but i do like Orihime x Ishida XP im not sure what ones would be "most likely", though.

[Sergelia]

Voted IchiRuki, IshiHime and UlquiHime. Wish I didn't forget Shinsui and Nanao. *hits head*

And yes, UlquiHime, because it depends on what you mean when you say "happen". Surely I don't see them having a happy future together in a peaceful suburb (:O that's just rightdown disturbing) but I do think SOMETHING will happen. There's just been too much development for it to end like it started. Too much UST as well. xD

As for IchiRuki, I think it should just be fairly seeable by now. We have ranted about this so many times already, and there's no point repeating it. It's only the most glaringly obvious pairing in the whole manga. >__<

IshiHime... if Kubo ever remembers it or even just rereads what he himself drew&wrote in SS arc, IshiHime is surely becoming canon. It's reasonable enough, and though onesided at the moment, I believe that Orihime will wake up from her childish Prince Charming fix idea and see the awesomeness that is Uryuu. ^__^ And then I shall be gleeful, and dance, and eat lots of fried chicken. Yessss.

[StarryInoueSky]

Damn it, I forgot to vote for Gin and Rangiku... *kicks*

[CrystalRaindrop]

I voted for:

IchiRuki
IshiHime
GinRan
ShuNan
HitsaHina

And I totally believe they'll all happen. The recent Bleach chapters haven't had ANY sort of romance between anyone, but we'll see...

[Shannon]

Although I do love UlquiHime, it's funny how many people think that it'll really happen over IshiHime or IchiHime. :D

But yay.
1. IchiRuki
2. UlquiHime
3. HitsuHina

[Manna23]

I honestly don't see any pairings becoming cannon in Bleach . . . but to me, the most likely is MatsumotoXGin (How tragic T_T). I can't really see IchigoXRukia happening, but it's a possibility :P

[Dice]

Ulquihime is second in line to IchiRuki, I never expected that but I love how many people support this pairing. The fanarts are gorgeous as well. While it does seem doomed for a tragic angsty ending, I simply love their interaction.

[kawaiiairbender]

I voted for IchiRuki and HitsuHina. I think there has been alot of development between Ichigo and Rukia. Hitsugaya and Hinamori it sorta seems natural though I don't really care either way. (I actually prefer Aizen/Hinamori)

[emoloz]

Ichigo x Rukia / Inoue i can see the love traingle going a bit trangular more in this story but i guess it will be Rukia in the end.
Matsu and Gin could work if he weren't ebil.

[Ileenka]

Ichigo x Rukia / Inoue i can see the love traingle going a bit trangular more in this story but i guess it will be Rukia in the end.
Matsu and Gin could work if he weren't ebil.

Yeah. Ichigo x Rukia. Inoue x Ishida, she'll totally fall for him when they meet and he modifies her Arrancar uniform. :D

[Marionette]

I wished I have voted ByaRuki also back than, why didn't I notice it?

[Cara]

Ulquihime is second in line to IchiRuki, I never expected that but I love how many people support this pairing. The fanarts are gorgeous as well. While it does seem doomed for a tragic angsty ending, I simply love their interaction.

But sometimes tragic and angsty can be ok, if it's done correctly.:p Especially if he gives his life to save her from someone ebil. Then she accepts his feelings while he is dying, then Ishida comforts her.:DI can just imagine it. I'm starting to support some kind of Ulquiorra---->Orihime<---->Ishida thing.

[lainchan]

Well I voted Ichiruki because its my favorite but I'm not sure which one I think is most likely to happen. I imagine GinRan will get some sort of closure but I don't expect any of the others to become conon. Maybe just heavily implied.Heavily implied ichiruki:D

[Siren]

I picked IchiRuki. Kubo just works it for me.

[Darkhope]

Honestly, the most likely one at this point is Ichigo/Orihime. And it was always there; even in the beginning.

[TickleMePink]

Hmmm ok I like both IchiHime and IchiRuki. But IchiHime is more likely.

[Lucia]

Despite how other fans are interpreting this latest chapter, I still have to go with the IchiRuki pairing as the most likely to happen. Ichigo protected Orihime? Ichigo fighting for Orihime's sake? Ichigo getting motivated by Orihime's words? BIG DEAL! Ichigo protected and fought for Rukia's sake too, Rukia motivated Ichigo too, and she wasn't even 'lectured' by someone in order to believe in Ichigo, lol XD

[ezxx]

i'm 99.99999999% sure no pairings will happen by the end of the series(yeah i know irrelevant but it had to be posted >_>). However, it will be either Ichigo + Orihime or Ichigo + Rukia if there is indeed a decided pair

[pan]

Most likely: IchigoxRukia
GinxMatsumoto

B-but they just look so good together:
UlquiorraxOrihime (why is this pairing becoming more and more attractive...?)
RenjixRukia
IshidaxOrihime

eh hm... RukiaxChappy

[Annie]

LOL Rukia X Chappy is already a canon XD And I agree that they look good together.

[Shannon]

UlquiorraxOrihime (why is this pairing becoming more and more attractive...?)
Because Ulquiorra's tears outshine everyone else's angst.
And because the pair is just attractive. :D

[Sola]

IchiHime all the way!!

[Cookie-chan]

why isnt KonXPyon on the list XD

beeeeh. Its Ichiruki for me (ofcourse) They look GREAT together, they have astounding interaction together... they are just sooo damn PERFECT for each other! (Ofcourse I am being biased, but hey.. that's my opinion!) *snickers*

[MCRdeathGOD]

*chants* IchiRuki! IchiRuki! IchiRuki! IchiRuki! :yay
(I think that i have make my point clear...my work here is done *leaves thread*)

[lainchan]

why isnt KonXPyon on the list XD



Hellz yeah!:yell KonXPyon is super likely.
Kon would totally talk Pyon into doing it when Ichigo and Rukia are off gallevanting after hollows.
That pervert...

[Rain]

I'd prefer Ichi-inoue but Ichi-Rukia seems more likely

[Kuchisaki]

IchiXRuki because I love this pairing:p, Ishida and Orihime got to know each other very well during the SS arc so they might get together in the future. Hinamori and her Shiro-chan look like they have feelings for one another that might border on romantic ones.

So for me those pairings seem most likely to become canon:D

[Agmaster]

Where's the Shinji and Orihime? Or Keigo's sister and Ikkaku? Or Hirako and Hiyori despite her appearances (Loli irks me).

[HinataFan]

I voted for Ichigo/Orihime and Renji/Rukia. I hope it doesn't happen any other way.

[Iria]

I like renjiXrukia but am leery about ichiXorihime

i cant make up my mind ><

[Camilla]

Ichigo/Rukia. Because it's the only pairing even remotely supported by canon.

Ulquiorra/Orihime and Ishida/Orihime because at least those two pay attention to her, unlike Ichigo.

Gin/Matsumoto because I suck.

[HinataFan]

I like renjiXrukia but am leery about ichiXorihime

i cant make up my mind ><Omg, I love that renjiXrukia banner in your sig. That is amazing. I hope Renji gets the girl in the end. :)

[ForteAnly]

It's either going to be IchiXRukia or IchiXHime.

[SPLENDiD 0NE]

ulquihime ulquihime! :inlove
:yellits canon :yell
definitely :wtf

[Leanna]

I think that IchiRuki is the most likely pairing to happen. The reasons were already mentioned. In my opinion they are just meant to be together ^^ UlquiHime... I can't really explain why, but somehow I believe it could happen, although I don't think that they could be happy together. That's why I voted for IshiHime as well. Maybe there will be a hint at the end that they eventually get together.

[silhouette]

Ichigo x Orihime , Renji x Rukia and Shunsui x Nanao are most likely to happen.

Ichigo will hang a huge poster of Orihime after they get married (like father like sun) and Karin will call him idiot.

Renji has been with Rukia since the very beginning and will see another bankai battle between him and Byakuya when Bthe latter refuses to give Rukia's hand to him and this will be when Renji pays Byakuya back for almost killing him ...but Renji will save the life of his future kids' uncle.

Shunsui is very persistent and doesn't take "no" for an answer...yeah will charm Nanao sooner or later....in the wedding, there will be a lot of flowers and petals thrown on the couple...just the way Shunsui likes it :p

Man !!! Is that a happy ending or what

[blueberry]

ICHIRUKI nuff said..

[Primera Espada]

I like how silhouette posted what he thinks is the most likely to happen, not what he wants to happen.

I think we can all agree that IchiRuki is the most wanted to happen. Orihime/Ishida is pretty heavily wanted to happen too.

However, there's more evidence towards Ren/Ruki than Ishi/Hime. But everyone glazes over that because if that were true, the favored Ichi/Ruki couldn't be true.

If you COMPLETELY throw out romantic declerations (since there's no cannon romantic declerations between rukia and anyone, or Ichigo and anyone, or Ishida and anyone, etc) and JUST go by who is paired off the most by Kubo,

Ichi/Ruki was HEAVILY paired off by Kubo until the last part of the SS arc.

Ren/Ruki was paired off by Kubo from that point on, though not exclusively (as she would, momentarily, pair with Ichigo in a fight)

Orihime/Ichigo has been paired off since the end of the SS arc (she basically stuck to him like glue took a break and now she's back at it)

Gin/Ran is paired off

Shunsui/Nanao is paired off

Ishida is paired off with whoever is available, lol.


That being said, the 3 most likely to happen are (in no particular order) Ichi/Ruki, Ren/Ruki, and Ichi/Hime

Though, heaven help us if it ends up being Ren/Ruki & Ichi/Hime. The fandom will never forgive Kubo.

[Syn]

I don't see how IchiOri has been paired off since the end of the SS arc. It has turned more into a one-side (desperate) love but there is still no sign from Ichigo, even after the latest chapters IMHO.
I only voted for IchiRuki not because I want it to happen (although I do want it), but because it's the most likely pairing to happen (but then I forgot to vote for ShunsuiNanao but then again I think it'll happen after the end of the manga :headscratch). If I wanted to vote for all the pairings I like and wanted to happen, I would have voted for more than one.

[Sergelia]

I voted for IchiRuki and IshiHime because I think they are *very* likely to happen, moreso than, say, IchiOri. But you are of course entitled on your own opinion.

Of course, I want both of those pairings to happen, but I wanted TatsuOri as well and that doesn't mean I'd vote for it (if they were in the poll, that is).

[Primera Espada]

I said I was removing romantic issues from the equation

therefor when I said "paired off" I meant "presented as a pair, a duo, 2 people who work together" not "people who are dating"

Maybe that'll clear up confusing, syn.

[Lady Orihime]

Ichigo x Orihime

Honestly, the most likely one at this point is Ichigo/Orihime. And it was always there; even in the beginning.

I agree. Kubo has been building up to it since the beginning, and their relationship is still developing.

I also voted for Renji x Rukia. I think that RenxRuki will become a couple before IchixHime does. Why I think this couple will become canon is because they have history, and Kubo shows the readers that they are very comfortable with each other; that they have been and always will be.

[Primera Espada]

kubo also specifically referenced them having a relationship before, which ended due to Rukia's adoption into the kuchiki family (Ikkaku encourages Renji to get that relationship back, remember?)

So while the current state of Ren/Ruki might be arguable, the fact that they were, at some point, a cannon relationship leans to the liklihood of their return. They're the only one of these pairings that have precidence. Well, maybe Gin/Rangiku. Those 2, to me, seem like a pair, but at the same time, Rangiku doesn't seem the sort to commit >>

[Ileenka]

The main pairing, i.e. Ichigo and Rukia will probably be the only one that will achieve couple status by the end of the series. Renji and Rukia have a history. So does Ichigo and Rukia, after 280+ chapters. This bond is so far the strongest and surpass all others, doesn't matter whether declarations have occurred or not. :yay

And UlqOri is developing rather quickly. Their progress will definitely be a treat to watch. :love

[Syn]

No, Kubo never had Renji and Rukia in relationship. That's kind of clear >___> Renji wished they had though.
Only canon pairings in Bleach:
Isshin/Masaki
Byakuya/Hisana
Kaien/Miyako
And that's all. Everything else is just wishful thinking from the fans.

[Primera Espada]

Ulqui/Orihime isn't developing at all o.O

He was assigned to kidnap her, and be her attendant. He's had a couple of conversations where he's insulted her, and her friends. She slapped him.

I mean, Grimm/Hime has more than that, and grimm/hime is still an utter impossibility lol.

Don't get me wrong, I love grim/hime. Ridiculously so. I am dressing up AS grimmjow at my next con just so I can tote my orihime-dressed girlfriend (her fav char, she's cosplayed her for years) around with a chain and a gag.

I'm not about to think it has any credence though XD

[Ileenka]

GrimmHime developing more than UlqHime? Surely, you jest. :rofl

Grimm took her by the throat twice, and did now show any signs of lurve. :love

You are so misguided. -_-

[Nell]

Voted for Ichigo and Rukia. Nanao and Shunsui have a great chance either but the poll is for the couples that are most likely to happen. I don't know if they'll ever get enough attention from Kubo. Maybe they'll get together in the omakes ^^ haha I'm also all for JintaYuzu, though it'd be better to wait until they are grown up but meh, who hadn't have any childhood love :p

Anyway, Ichigo and Rukia because Kubo has been developing their relationship patiently and beautifully since ch 1, and as if it isn't enough, he also strengthens it adding many metaphores and symbolisms, say the rain, the black sun/white moon and the destiny: the sand and the gear *points to Syn's well-written DotM* Not to mention the official Souls and Vibes books <333 Gotta love how he puts this much effort on developing their relationship :love :love

[Primera Espada]

I was saying BOTH were rather silly, ideas, Ileenka ;)

also, for those who seem to be forgetting

Ikkaku: I think it's about time that you speak to rukia-chan. Even if your opponent is from a royal family, a vice captain is beyond equal. You stood firm for 40 years. It's about time that you two mend the relationship that you once had.

Kira: ... if that's so, then you better be quick. Kuchiki-san is going to the living world for a month long stationary mission this afternoon.

Hinamori: Oh no! You have to hurry, abarai-kun!

Renji: Nah. The month after investiture ceremony when it becomes official... I'll scare her by saying "I'm a vice captain!"

Here you clearly have Ikkaku stating "the relationship you once had" and you also here him talking that being a vice captain makes him more than equal to his opponent.

that pretty clearly indicates romantic relationship having previously existed.

Now, this takes place the day before the events in chapter 1, so you all can argue the current state of their relationship. I don't feel like participating in that argument.

But kubo made it pretty clear that they had a relationship before. Otherwise... why use the word relationship instead of friendship (when he uses friendship in plenty of other situations).

Maybe there's differences in translations that have caused disagreements, I dunno.

MOST people don't even REMEMBER this chapter, since it was a special chapter released later.

[Sarada]

I vote IchiHime, because I think that's most likely. Allthough no pairing happening would be very likely too.

It's not my favorite pairing, obviously that's GrimmHime, but that wasn't what was asked, so.

[Syn]

@PE: that indicates a strong friendship relationship that fell apart when she entered the Kuchiki family. Nothing else, really :headscratch if there was anything romantic ongoing between Rukia and Renji at that time, Kubo would have make it way clearer than that actually; but Renji is still desperate to reach her (he described himself as the dog who barks at the star), meaning he was only a friend to her.

[Ileenka]

There is something UlqHime has that GrimmHime doesn't. And that is the progression of a bond since their first meeting. UlqHime used to be a silly idea, but it's slowly breaking away from that category. If you are still saying nothing has developed between these two, compared to GrimmHime, I'd still have to say you are wrong. :yay

[furato]

kkaku: I think it's about time that you speak to rukia-chan. Even if your opponent is from a royal family, a vice captain is beyond equal. You stood firm for 40 years. It's about time that you two mend the relationship that you once had.
Relationship doesn't mean it must be romantic. And I'm saying that as a RenRuki shipper who, from the way some scenes are presented and timed, honestly believes that the Kubo has not discounted this pairing from canon possibility.

Some people may have voted "the pairing they want to be canon" instead of "the pairing they honestly think is most likely to be canon", but hey, how do we know what other people really thinks? The two may be different or same and it's no big deal. :/

[Syn]

Thanks furato.

*shrugs*

It's pretty obvious that Renji was her only family, so it went deeper than a mere friendship anyway. But it still doesn't mean it was romantic. I also say that the relationship between Byakuya and Rukia is being mended, but I certainly don't mean that they have a romantic affair going on. :headscratch

[Sergelia]

kubo also specifically referenced them having a relationship before, which ended due to Rukia's adoption into the kuchiki family (Ikkaku encourages Renji to get that relationship back, remember?)

So while the current state of Ren/Ruki might be arguable, the fact that they were, at some point, a cannon relationship leans to the liklihood of their return.

No. They weren't "canon". They had a great friendship and Renji arguably loved Rukia (or at least had VERY strong feelings for her), and it may even be argued Rukia liked him/had feelings for him, but they weren't in a relationship. Where did you get that one?

Not that I'd have much against RenRuki happening, I like them together, but... As far as "possible" goes, I'll stick to IchiRuki.

[Camilla]

Renji: Nah. The month after investiture ceremony when it becomes official... I'll scare her by saying "I'm a vice captain!"
^This was where he blew it. Renji shot himself so fully in the foot that I'm shocked he can walk. Don't talk to a girl you like for 40 years and then when you finally attain the kind of rank you think will be 'enough' to speak to her on equal terms, and you put it off until she gets back from a month-long mission for macho?! Way to go, Renji, you poor dork. >_<;;;

And then she met Ichigo and....well, you can't exactly expect the person you like to just stay single forever when you haven't made a move for -40 years- and then you show up and act like a douche in the human world. (Not that I don't like Renji, I just think he's pathetically bad with relationships. Name symbolism much?) I'd say, from the tone of the fight he and Ichigo had in SS over who would go to rescue her, and the way Renji relinquished the 'I GET TO SAVE HER' mantle to Ichigo that he pretty much accepted that Ichigo was 'in' in that respect-- but he stil wanted to go back to their old friendship, even if he had to put away the 'romance' angle.

Kyoraku and Ukitake are old friends and they show up together places all the time. TRUE LOVE?!

/waves Ichigo/Rukia and Gin/Matsumoto flag

[Primera Espada]

like I said, I'm not going to argue the CURRENT state of Ren/Ruki

but let me ask you all, since everyone seems to think that the unusual use of the word "relationship" here somehow means "friendship relationship" or "almost family relationship" (even through Renji himself clearly says that at the time Rukia joins the kuchikis, "she found herself a family" indicating that he did not see the two of them as family at that point)

What WOULD.

How can Kubo show 2 people in bleach are in a romantic relationship, other than declaring they are married.

Please give examples from the manga.

[Ileenka]

^This was where he blew it. Renji shot himself so fully in the foot that I'm shocked he can walk. Don't talk to a girl you like for 40 years and then when you finally attain the kind of rank you think will be 'enough' to speak to her on equal terms, and you put it off until she gets back from a month-long mission for macho?! Way to go, Renji, you poor dork. >_<;;;

And then she met Ichigo and....well, you can't exactly expect the person you like to just stay single forever when you haven't made a move for -40 years- and then you show up and act like a douche in the human world. (Not that I don't like Renji, I just think he's pathetically bad with relationships. Name symbolism much?) I'd say, from the tone of the fight he and Ichigo had in SS over who would go to rescue her, and the way Renji relinquished the 'I GET TO SAVE HER' mantle to Ichigo that he pretty much accepted that Ichigo was 'in' in that respect-- but he stil wanted to go back to their old friendship, even if he had to put away the 'romance' angle.

Kyoraku and Ukitake are old friends and they show up together places all the time. TRUE LOVE?!

/waves Ichigo/Rukia and Gin/Matsumoto flag

OMG! QFT! :inlove

Shunsui and Juushiro = CANON!!! :yell

You are my heroine. :love

IchiRuki :wtf

[Syn]

@PE: you are touching the why Renji blew it up 40 years ago; he was like family to Rukia who just wanted them to stay together, but he didn't understand that. That is why he let her go into the Kuchiki family. Had he been her boyfriend/lover, he wouldn't have let her go. Renji is stupid sometimes, but there are limits.

[Camilla]

How exactly is anyone supposed to provide 'proof' of that considering that 95% of romantic relationships in Bleach are one-sided? Pretty much, so far if anyone has gotten together at all they're married (and dead. Immediately dead. So pretty much, romance is the kiss of death in Bleach, we're all just gambling one of them turns out to be the exception). Even Ichigo/Rukia, which so far is the most equal-time attraction in the main storyline so far has Ichigo a bit more D: D: D: about Rukia than Rukia betrays about him. Ichigo/Orihime is totally one-sided from Orihime, Renji/Rukia got dorked up 40 years ago when Renji told her to go to the Kuchiki clan, effectually making it seem to Rukia as if he was ending their friendship (although he did it for entirely good-hearted reasons, it was still a kind of...interesting move for Renji to have made if he wanted to advance his chances with her, although it seemed he didn't realize he had a thing for her until she was out of his reach), Aizen/Hinamori got screwed, Hitsugaya/Hinamori at this point in the manga is going nowhere.... there's really no way to provide an 'example', although I could post a couple of panels from SS arc that might be a little damning.

The closest I think you can get to portraying 'romance' in Bleach is Hinamori's love for Aizen, Matsumoto's feelings for Gin, and Ichigo's reactions to Rukia (end of SS arc, the 'OMFG' look of doom...even Orihime can identify these as romantic in nature, thus her little bit of depression about it).

[Primera Espada]

maybe I'm the only one that thinks that someone can have a romantic relationship before they have a committed romantic relationship.

That's the indication I got from Renji. Him talking about how he wasn't brave enough to grab her and hold on. Then you see when Ichigo tossed Rukia to renji and tells him not to leg go of her, even if he's dead. And then you get Rukia apologizing to Renji for how she treated him, and thanking Renji for what he did for her.

Does that seem like nothing to you all?

I mean, if you want to argue that it's not the biggest relationship, sure. if you wanna compare it to others, sure.

but on it's own, it has a lot of merit, you must admit

edit: Camilla, that was somewhat my point. I was saying "this is as close as it gets in bleach so far" cause Kubo doesn't actually like making a hullaballoo about anyone's romantic feelings other than Orihime's, and Isshin's.

Cause, I mean, come on, Masaki4life

[Kristen]

The closest I think you can get to portraying 'romance' in Bleach is Hinamori's love for Aizen, Matsumoto's feelings for Gin, and Ichigo's reactions to Rukia (end of SS arc, the 'OMFG' look of doom...even Orihime can identify these as romantic in nature, thus her little bit of depression about it).

What about Orihime? Her feelings were portraying 'romance' even if it's one sided. n.n

- Runs, Jumps and hides - Nights guys :D

[Primera Espada]

also... what's this thing about the end of SS arc having any sort of ichi/ruki confirmation?
I've read those chapters dozens of times (I love how Ichi/hime that one chapter is, and then the rest is Kuukaku doing what she does best, beating people up, who doesn't love that). I don't see what you are referencing.

[LivingHitokiri]

First of all im IchiHime fan, so i voted for them.Next i wana say that the 90% Ulqihime fans are IchiRukia fans aswell( coincedensce?).Seeing Ulqihime as a cannon is Like Calling Golum and Arwen a cannon(lol).Ulqiorra is only obeing rulles he doesnt feel nothing for hime like Hime for him(obvious).About Rukia... she and ichigo are more likely friend imo.She is so close to him because ichigo reminds her of Kaien.....Ichigo from another side saved her and protected her to return the favor that rukia gave him by giving him her powers.I dont see how ppl allrdy seeing IchiRukia as a pairing but thats ok (their opinions XD).Renji Rukia is more reasonable because. for gods sake they know eachother more than 40 years!!! and they had some kind of relathionship in past so...Its more understandable to see Renji Rukia as a couple than Ichi RUkia (they know each other for few montsh!!)

[Syn]

maybe I'm the only one that thinks that someone can have a romantic relationship before they have a committed romantic relationship.

What do you mean? :headscratch

The indication from Renji is that he was too coward to grab her. And thus, he never had any romantic relationship with her.
Ichigo tossed Rukia to Renji because he knew that Renji would protect Rukia until death and that was enough to him since he had to -gasp- fight (meaning danger and all, especially since Rukia was powerless).

Rukia didn't apologized for how she treated Renji. In fact, that scene is opened to interpretation. I personally took it that she apologized for her behaviour on herself (he just scolded her about that). And she thanked him because he told her that Ichigo was grateful that she lend him his power and wasn't hurt like she thought he was.

Edit: ch181 was SO ichiruki. Inoue totally disappeared from the background, as everyone else when they met on the field.

[silhouette]

Oh this is just great, Renji -da man- is being called names because he put Rukia's happiness before his own. Renji put on a brave face and told Rukia to accept Byakuya's adoption and it damn broke his heart when Rukia stopped talking to him. I love Rukia and everything about her but the one thing that annoyed me is how she immediately stopped talking to Renji after she accepted going to Byakuya's mansion. But Renji -instead of being sour- tries to close the gap between him and the girl who again stopped talking to him these are true feelings again shown by Renji. Ichigo may have come to SS and fight Zaraki and the likes but Renji fought the man who he idolized and threw away everything he already achieved again for the sake of Rukia...but all of this is summarized in "a douche bag who waited 40 years" to make it sound like an idiot who didn't take the chance when present.

[Slev]

Seeing Ulqihime as a cannon

*Pictures Ulquiorra and Orihime together as a cannon*

I like the pairing even more now.

[Syn]

It's not Rukia who stopped talking to him, it's the contrary. Please. And Renji can be stupid at times; the one time when he let her go can't be depicted as anything else, really. He stopped talking with her because he thought that being a Kuchiki she was out of his grasp. It is her who has been hurt by his behaviour.

[silhouette]

It's not Rukia who stopped talking to him, it's the contrary.

If I remember correctly, Rukia took his hand off her shoulder and left without a word when he told her to accept Byakuya's offer and was trying to be all cheerful about it...that was sad..really sad. So it was Rukia who stopped talking to him. To make it even clearer everyone in Rukia's squad was intimidated by just hearing the Kuchiki name and why was that? because Kuchikis act all high and mighty...Rukia, unfortunately, did too only once and it was with the wrong guy.

Please. And Renji can be stupid at times; the one time when he let her go can't be depicted as anything else, really

Every guy can act stupid sometimes (! >_>) but this is not why Rukia stopped talking to him

[Primera Espada]

Rukia stopped talking to him. SHe interrupted Renji's talking, and left the room, and did not speak to him again until he tracked her down while she was in a gigai.

He didn't have the opportunity to talk to her again until the day she left, cause anything lower than a vice captain isn't really allowed to go hang with the high nobles (without the nobles permission, at least)

I don't know how you missed that, Syn.

Also... 181?

Maybe you got the chapter # wrong.

It's super ren/ruki, ichi/hime chapter.

The whole chapter is Ichi/hime working as a pair. Ichigo even references when Orihime was the one that showed him why he was trying to save Rukia in the first place (because she couldn't be with her family if she was dead, so on so forth). THe chapter TITLE is Ichigo and Orihime in the foreground, with Rukia in the background. Furthermore, Ichigo states that if Rukia didn't tell Renji where she was, she wouldn't have told anyone, clearly pointing out that Renji is the most important person to her. On top of that, it's the chapter that puts a HUUUUUUUUGE split between the Ichi/Ruki people.

SHE STAYS.

Ichigo leaves, and she stays. That was the whole reason he saved her, so she could stay with the ones she loved. So she could finally get back to livign HER life instead of being subject to the backlash of Ichigo's actions.

She chose to stay with Renji, and her Nii-sama, rather than Ichigo.

How is that an Ichi/Ruki moment????

[Annie]

First of all im IchiHime fan, so i voted for them.Next i wana say that the 90% Ulqihime fans are IchiRukia fans aswell( coincedensce?).

Eh! 90% of UlqOri is IchiRuki fans? Don't offend people when you don't know them. Half the members in UlqHime FC here are not IchiRuki fans and others are IchiOris fans. Go and look at the members list.

Rukia always sees Ichigo as Ichigo. She never see Kaien in him except ch 117 on the bridge when he was about to fight Byakuya.

And if you want to go with 'oh Ichigo and Rukia only know each other for a few month, that goes to your prefered pairing too. So by that logic, we will have RenRuki and IchiTat in the end of the manga. So now everyone can be happy.

And seriously PE, if you see ch 181 as RenRuki and IchiOri something is totally wrong. You can't see how it's IchiRuki? Well we can't see half of the things you see so there is no point arguing about it.

[Syn]

And how did you miss that HE told her to go?
She tried to tell him about how she felt uncomfortable with this situation and he stopped her acting silly and telling her how great it was! He didn't even let her talk!
She didn't interrupt him at all! He said 'I'm dead jelous' while laughing. She replied '...really...?' and obviously left because she was hurt by what he said. That was not the reaction she was waiting for.
Then Renji took on himself to not talk with her at all during 40 years. How was she supposed to know anything about what he really thought?

[LivingHitokiri]

Eh! 90% of UlqOri is IchiRuki fans? Don't offend people when you don't know them. Half the members in UlqHime FC here are not IchiRuki fans and others are IchiOris fans. Go and look at the members list.
Well im seeing the one wich voted and most of them are ichiruki fans
ichiHime fans supporting UlqiHime??? thats a new one

Rukia always sees Ichigo as Ichigo. She never see Kaien in him except ch 117 on the bridge when he was about to fight Byakuya.its since first chapters.. why do you thinbk she helped him from begining? not because she felt in love with him for sure.

And if you want to go with 'oh Ichigo and Rukia only know each other for a few month, that goes to your prefered pairing too. So by that logic, we will have RenRuki and IchiTat in the end of the manga. So now everyone can be happy.Hime knows Ichigo for many years and Ichigo vice versa.

[spacecat]

lol guys who cares if Renji or Rukia stopped talking to the other, some are gonna think it is implied they are together and others are gonna totally go wtf I don't see that (including me) but you are never gonna agree. Can we state our opinions regarding the thread topic/question and move on. There is a lonely debate section for people who want to debate about things cos not everyone wants to read it in threads like this. And YES the debate section is for Bleach stuff also.

[Primera Espada]

Renji's speech bubble was interrupted, wasn't it? that's what I meant by interruption. I said she chose to not talk to him, not the other way around. Syn, you're statements don't counter that.

besides, that was a tangent addressing a point you had with someone else. I'd rather you address my other points as well.

edit:

Spacecat, given the title of the thread, and the nature of the the thread, and all of these posts...

maybe this should just be moved to the debate thread? Otherwise we'll just be making a thread just like this, in the debate, and we'll have 2 threads.

Or am I misunderstanding what you're suggesting we do?

[Syn]

Where did Annie said Rukia fell in love with Ichigo in ch1? She didn't say that. Rukia helped Ichigo because she values life over anything and because it was the last choice she could think of.
Please, stop twisting words. And yes, a LOT of IchiOri fans are also UlqOri fans. I don't see the problems, as I like both IchiRuki and RenRuki. ZOMG!

Edit: Renji's bubble was not interrupted at all.

[Slev]

Well im seeing the one wich voted and most of them are ichiruki fans
ichiHime fans supporting UlqiHime??? thats a new one

Quite a few of them are in the fan club.

its since first chapters.. why do you thinbk she helped him from begining? not because she felt in love with him for sure.

Where are you pulling this from? There is absolutely nothing to hint that she helped Ichigo in the start because of Kaien. She doesn't see Ichigo as Kaien at all. Look at the way she interacts with Ichigo and then look at how she interacted with Kaien. Nothing alike. Especially when you look at how she acted with Ichigo in chapter 1.

Hime knows Ichigo for many years and Ichigo vice versa.

There's a difference between knowing and being friends with. Ichigo and Orihime barely had any contact with each other before the manga started.

[Syn]

Ichigo knows Inoue since the start of the high school year, i.e. April in Japan. He did not know she was the girl whose brother died in his dad's clinic until Tatsuki told him so; meaning he did not recognise her at all.

[Annie]

@LivingH: Did you see how many out of 36? Plz point to me. And I thought I have told you the FACT already that Ichigo only knows Orihime only a few months. He knew her as 'a friend of Tatsuki' and only recently knew she was a girl 'who her brother died at his clinic.' when Tatsuki told him. That doesn't make him know her.

Where in the first chapter that Rukia was stunted to see Ichigo? Which part have you believe that she saved him because he reminded her of Kaien? There was none. You assumed that because Kaien resembled Ichigo. If she saved him because he remined her of Kaien. No way Rukia would have guts to stab him with her zampakuto. Her fight with Aaro already porved that she wouldn't dare hurt 'Kaien'.

[silhouette]

I am afraid this is not what happened Syn. It was obvious that Rukia wanted to leave the harsh life but had feeling of obligation to the only remaining life-long partner Renji. Renji wasn't rude or thick headed, he knew that because he too has suffered the harsh life and he knows about Rukia more than anyone else, so instead of letting her sacrifice an opportunity for good home, good food and good name he stepped on his own heart and tried to look happy about it. He said "hey I am jealous" to only try to appear cheerful. I would've expected Rukia to at least say thank you but no she walks out without looking at him, talking to him or trying to appreciate what he did.

[Ros]

Next i wana say that the 90% Ulqihime fans are IchiRukia fans aswell( coincedensce?).Seeing Ulqihime as a cannon is Like Calling Golum and Arwen a cannon(lol).Ulqiorra is only obeing rulles he doesnt feel nothing for hime like Hime for him(obvious).

XD I like Ichigo/Rukia, but I'm way more of an Ulquiorra/Orihime fan. And you never know, if Gollum and Arwen had ever met, I might be going "CANON!" :yell

Naturally I don't actually think Ulquiorra/Orihime is canon. I was really surprised, though, that Kubo's taken a lot of chances to show interaction between them when a plot point or a scene could have been done with bare minimum development of their relationship, or none at all.

If I remember correctly, Rukia took his hand off her shoulder and left without a word when he told her to accept Byakuya's offer and was trying to be all cheerful about it...that was sad..really sad. So it was Rukia who stopped talking to him. To make it even clearer everyone in Rukia's squad was intimidated by just hearing the Kuchiki name and why was that? because Kuchikis act all high and mighty...Rukia, unfortunately, did too only once and it was with the wrong guy.

Rukia stopped talking to him. SHe interrupted Renji's talking, and left the room, and did not speak to him again until he tracked her down while she was in a gigai.

He didn't have the opportunity to talk to her again until the day she left, cause anything lower than a vice captain isn't really allowed to go hang with the high nobles (without the nobles permission, at least)

Renji and Rukia were younger, and not being honest with each other or themselves. She asked him if he thought she should go, hoping he would say no, when she really should have said, "I don't want to go, I want to stay here with you." Renji should have asked her, "What do you want?" rather than assuming she'd be better off and saying what he said. Rukia tends to assume that the default is people not liking her, and she was already upset that she and Renji had grown apart in school (again, both of them at fault--Renji acting like he was god's gift to the academy and Rukia being too shy to try to join his group of friends), so she inferred from the way he said it that he'd moved on from being her friend and didn't care if she went or not.

Renji had opportunity to get in contact with her. There is no law that says anything lower than VC can't talk to or associate with the nobles, because otherwise nothing would get done in Soul Society. He was entirely within his rights to make friendly overtures toward her, just like her division did, and he didn't do it, because he had this "castle on a cloud" ideal of time standing still and her having a blast being a rich kid, and that he was going to get a huge house and a commission and come back and everything would just resume the way it stopped. Rukia didn't seek him out because she thought he didn't like her and he did nothing to correct that impression. Really it came down to them both being young, one of them being really, really introverted, and one of them not having the foresight to ground his ideals in reality.

Edit:

It was obvious that Rukia wanted to leave the harsh life but had feeling of obligation to the only remaining life-long partner Renji.

She didn't want to go. She was miserable in Byakuya's house because she didn't know him and he didn't want to get to know her. She wanted to stay with Renji, and only went with Byakuya because she felt there was no reason to stay if Renji didn't like her. Where did Rukia give the indication that she was trying to escape a "harsh life" by becoming part of the Kuchiki clan? She and Renji already made the decision to leave Rukongai together in order to improve their lot in life by becoming shinigami, and they did that only after all their friends had died.

[Shirosaki]

ichihime

i voted

[spacecat]

Ok then I'm sending it all to the debate since PE is right it is a debate topic from start to finish. Just keep it civil and respect others opinions ok.

[LivingHitokiri]

Did you see how many out of 36? Plz point to me. And I thought I have told you the FACT already that Ichigo only knows Orihime only a few months. He knew her as 'a friend of Tatsuki' and only recently knew she was a girl 'who her brother died at his clinic.' when Tatsuki told him. That doesn't make him know her.
More than 3 years or so. they are going school together more than few months dont you think?


Where in the first chapter that Rukia was stunted to see Ichigo? Which part have you believe that she saved him because he reminded her of Kaien? There was none. You assumed that because Kaien resembled Ichigo. If she saved him because he remined her of Kaien. No way Rukia would have guts to stab him with her zampakuto. Her fight with Aaro already porved that she wouldn't dare hurt 'Kaien'.Inorder to protect someone that you like or someone that reminds you of someone you do anything. The fight was to harm kaien this one is to protect ichigo( notice the difference)

[lainchan]

More than 3 years or so. they are going school together more than few months dont you think?

Inorder to protect someone that you like or someone that reminds you of someone you do anything. The fight was to harm kaien this one is to protect ichigo( notice the difference)

Where are you getting 3 years from? They were in separate schools before the current year in the manga.

The only reason Rukia protected Ichigo in the first ep was because it was her job. She would have done the same for anyone, it had nothing to do with him looking like Kaien.

We know she has a strong sense of duty as Ichigo argues against it a couple of chapters later (I think anyway. I'm at work so I cant check the manga ^^; )

[LivingHitokiri]

Where are you getting 3 years from? They were in separate schools before the current year in the manga.

The only reason Rukia protected Ichigo in the first ep was because it was her job. She would have done the same for anyone, it had nothing to do with him looking like Kaien.

We know she has a strong sense of duty as Ichigo argues against it a couple of chapters later (I think anyway. I'm at work so I cant check the manga ^^; )
he first met her when her brother died.... her brother died about 3 years ago

[Annie]

Did you read what Syn and other have told you? Ichigo and Orihime didn't know each other at all. Heck she wasn't even his 'friend' like Chad or Tatsuki until later on in manga. Where do you get three years from while everyone else get a few months? He 'met' her doesn't mean he 'knows' her.

And the one about the first chapter. That's all your imagination. There is nothing in manga that support what you claim.

[Sergelia]

Ooookay. This is the FIRST time if my life I ever saw anyone disclaim 181 as an IchiRuki chapter.

I mean really. That says something, something along the lines "We Must Be Living In Different Dimensions". I daresay some debates are not worth it - when people have views so much different than each other, no miracle is going to happen to sort it out. I mean 181, RenRuki? 181, ICHIORI?

Where is this world going to?

[lainchan]

he first met her when her brother died.... her brother died about 3 years ago

Yes but they didn't interact with each other, from what the manga implies, and they didn't see each other in the time between her brothers death and the start of high school.
So effectivly they didn't really know each other till the start of high school.

[Slev]

he first met her when her brother died.... her brother died about 3 years ago

Why does it matter when they met? Ichigo didn't even recognize that she was that girl until years later. They didn't have any semblance of a friendship before the manga started.

[silhouette]

I thought this also should be pointed out as to why I think Renji and Rukia will be together

The bleach names and meanings (http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5299) translated by Winter Lion on MH

Renji (恋次) = Love Next

Rukia has a crush on Kaien but he dies, Rukia's heart is broken, Renji is the one who will restore happiness in her heart thus Renji is the "next love"

Edit:
Whether Ichigo knew Orihime for 10 days or 10 years, Orihime was able to sense Ichigo's feelings since the very beginning...this is what you call connection~...heck in the ch 282 they talked with their eyes and this is what you call the ultimate connection~

[LivingHitokiri]

when Ichigo established the friendship that he has with Orihime
show me a quote from a chapter that shows exactlly for how long ichigo knows her. cause in chap 6, Ichigo mentions having had a conversation with Orihime about why she wears her hairpins, even though she hates them. this indicates they have been more than just aquantances for awhile.and in chapter 3, Rukia asks if they are close. He first says "not really" and then corrects himself and says "Kinda I guess" cause they are, in fact, somewhat close

[Primera Espada]

I see a serious imbalance here.

All the people trying to establish ichi/hime moments, or ren/ruki moments are throwing out quotes, references, page #s, chapters...

But the Ichi/Ruki people tend to take IchiRuki as something everyone just automatically understands. There is a severe deficiency (though not complete lack of) references for it.

People say 181 is Ichi Ruki? Can you cite something for me please?

And I seriously don't ever want to hear people say "that look they gave each other" cause I think we all know that's a silly example for something like this. You could use that as an example of why something they said while looking should be taken in a certain context, but the look doesn't stand alone for anything.

So, yes, please start supplying quotes and references more often.

[lainchan]

I see a serious imbalance here.



And I seriously don't ever want to hear people say "that look they gave each other" cause I think we all know that's a silly example for something like this. You could use that as an example of why something they said while looking should be taken in a certain context, but the look doesn't stand alone for anything.

So, yes, please start supplying quotes and references more often.

But its manga! o_0
Of course things like "the look they gave each other" is important because the mangaka is trying to get across the emotions of a scene through his drawings. There are no voice actors to supply the emotions afterall.
If all that was important were quotes then Kubo would be writing a novel instead of a manga

Anyway here are some pages from 181 that seem IchiRuki IMO. I can understand why people may chose not to see them that way but personally if I saw pages like this in any other manga I'd take it as shippy.
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/181/[M7]Bleach-ch181-14.jpg[/IMG]"]http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/181/[M7]Bleach-ch181-14.jpg

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/181/[M7]Bleach-ch181-15.jpg
http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/181/[M7]Bleach-ch181-16.jpg
Are you telling me that someone who ships IchiHime wouldn't see these pages as shippy if Hime was in Rukias place?

[silhouette]

Are you telling me that someone who ships IchiHime wouldn't see these pages as shippy if Hime was in Rukias place?

There are emotions in that scene definitely...friendship emotions that is...I don't see more than that.

[lainchan]

There are emotions in that scene definitely...friendship emotions that is...I don't see more than that.

Well thats fine. Everyone sees things differenty. :)
I see it as a deep friendship/connection that could easily develope into something more but obviously everyones going to have their own interpritations. Neither of us is wrong

Kubos the only one who really knows what he was trying to achieve with this scene.;)

[silhouette]

^I hear you, understand you and totally respect what you said ^^

[Nama]

Now now, if you're going to start a ship war, I'm going to have to shoot you with Rune Cannons. XD (Suikoden IV is a video game, where the player goes actual sea battles, and you shoot the enemy ships with cannons called the Rune Cannons)

Anyway, on to the topic, I think these pairings have more or less of a possibility of happening:
IchigoxOrihime, IchigoxRukia, IshidaxOrihime, RenjixRukia, UlquiorraxOrihime, HitsugayaxHinamori, ShunsuixNanao, GinxRangiku and AizenxHinamori.

[Shannon]

Anyway, on to the topic, I think these pairings have more or less of a possibility of happening:
IchigoxOrihime, IchigoxRukia, IshidaxOrihime, RenjixRukia, UlquiorraxOrihime, HitsugayaxHinamori, ShunsuixNanao, GinxRangiku and AizenxHinamori.

Loll. That's pretty much the whole pairing list on the top. Wait, it is all of it, isn't it? :D

[Syn]

@silhouette: you're discounting Kubo's love for pun and irony there. Look at Tousen the blind justicar (!) for a non shipping reference. I wouldn't say that a ship will happen just because of the name (look at Orihime whose name comes from the Tanabata myth but the Tanabata myth fits strangely better the IchiRuki relationship for a shippy example - as much as I don't like comparing to something outside Bleach and don't take the argument seriously).

As for ch181, how can it be not ichiruki?
How to read manga: PICS DO COUNT. Yup, not only quotes, but expressions do count.

Let's go into ch181 then.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/th_manga-rainbleach-ch181-13.png (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/manga-rainbleach-ch181-13.png)

Ichigo (followed by Inoue) finds Rukia talking with Kuukaku, as he expected (and he was the only one to guess that she'd be there too). Notice:
-Kuukaku and Inoue are still there, in the first half page; however, they disappear after that to not be shown at all during the scene. They totally *disappear* because the moment between Ichigo and Rukia *is* intense and thus not shared by the others who are witnessing the scene.
-Ichigo *expects* Rukia to come back with him. Yes he does.
-Rukia hesitates a bit before telling him her decision.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/th_manga-rainbleach-ch181-14.png (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/manga-rainbleach-ch181-14.png)

And here they are, alone (damn, Inoue and Kuukaku were just there I swear...) in the fields, looking at each other. It takes a whole page and it's very romantic.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/th_manga-rainbleach-ch181-15.png (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/manga-rainbleach-ch181-15.png)

Ichigo is stunned, while Rukia is a bit nervous to wait for his reply. Ichigo smiles and replies 'that's good', which earns a surprised reaction from Rukia because she didn't think he'd understand. Ichigo scratches his head (he does that when he's uncomfortable), explaining that since she decided it herself...

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/th_manga-rainbleach-ch181-16.png (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/manga-rainbleach-ch181-16.png)

He remembers Rukia crying while she was leaving with her brother and Renji. And he gives her that beautiful smile (a true one, something very rare from him) while finishing his sentence. Rukia replies with a genuine smile too.
And then the thought: 'I remember now... the reason why... I wanted to save you so much...' lost in the clouds. Yes, it is because, as suggested above, he couldn't bear to see her crying and wanted to see her smile. And here goes the theory of the debt thing :rolleyes:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/th_manga-rainbleach-ch181-18.png (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/manga-rainbleach-ch181-18.png)

'See ya, Rukia', with another smile. And a 'yeah...' from Rukia, who is smiling too. Takes half the page too. :p

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/th_manga-rainbleach-ch181-19.png (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/manga-rainbleach-ch181-19.png)

'Thank you, Ichigo'. Idiot, that's my line.. Thanks to you, I think... the rain has stopped.
Probably one of the most romantic quote in all Bleach given the sadness that the rain implies for Ichigo.

How can that chapter be not IchiRuki, I wonder? It has everything, romantic panels, genuines and beautiful smiles (don't lie, I even saw IchiOri sigs who take him while smiling at Rukia to make him smile at Inoue; it does count), romantic lines. And again, their world of their own when they talk together? :cool:

[silhouette]

@silhouette: you're discounting Kubo's love for pun and irony there. Look at Tousen the blind justicar (!) for a non shipping reference. I wouldn't say that a ship will happen just because of the name (look at Orihime whose name comes from the Tanabata myth but the Tanabata myth fits strangely better the IchiRuki relationship for a shippy example - as much as I don't like comparing to something outside Bleach and don't take the argument seriously).

Renji's name translates "love next" now that's clear and obvious and knowing about Kaien you can't miss the reference. However, you're analysis to Kubo's personality and the examples you have given are highly subjective to one's own interpretations and knowledge -just like you said- about things outside bleach.

As for ch181, how can it be not ichiruki?

Gorgeous Girl: I will stay here (! >_>), Wounded boy: O_o ?! OK!


Edit: I took part in this debate because I didn't like how Renji was being bashed and called names...it was just unfair taking in consideration what he did. If anyone is happy supporting any pairings in bleach, then good for you and best of luck. Now is the time to for retire from this thread ^^

[Sergelia]

Syn... I don't know what to say. Thank you SO much for making that post. Just... THANK YOU. <3 Can't rep you again yet, but who cares. *bows*


Uh... other than that... I hope we're not on a verge of a shipwar. Are we?



Gorgeous Girl: I will stay here (! >_>), Wounded boy: O_o ?! OK! That's totally disregarding everything Syn said as well as a VERY biased view of the scene. You want to see it that way? Okay, fine, but if it was really that simple why would Kubo waste A WHOLE CHAPTER just to show how Ichigo doesn't care?

Really, if one chooses to misinterpret everything that doesn't go with his OTPs, one will lose the manga's depth.

[Ileenka]

^ Yeah. Ichigo is strawberry. He's really just a red fruit. Take all the names seriously, why don't you.

[LivingHitokiri]

I can claim IshiRukia cos ishida made a dress for rukia ROFL XD

[lainchan]

Now now, if you're going to start a ship war, I'm going to have to shoot you with Rune Cannons. XD (Suikoden IV is a video game, where the player goes actual sea battles, and you shoot the enemy ships with cannons called the Rune Cannons)

Anyway, on to the topic, I think these pairings have more or less of a possibility of happening:
IchigoxOrihime, IchigoxRukia, IshidaxOrihime, RenjixRukia, UlquiorraxOrihime, HitsugayaxHinamori, ShunsuixNanao, GinxRangiku and AizenxHinamori.
So your predicting a bleach orgy then?:headscratch

I could live with that:wtf

[Mei]

Thank you Syn for the awesome analysis!
(would like to rep you again...:) )

If Inoue were the girl in Rukia´s place I think it´d be the
canon chapter for all IchiHime shippers...

I don´t see the same interaction and chemistry between Ichigo and
Orihime, though we all know that Hime deeply loves Ichigo.

Chapter 283 could be the beginning of a
bond of friendship between the two, but I don´t
see more between them, at least for the moment.

[Ros]

Edit: Rechecked and I had the translation wrong, but her comment right. Here's the page: http://community.livejournal.com/soul_society/330097.html Kind of interesting. :D

[Primera Espada]

Those pages that everyone's citing for IchiRuki are the same pages that show IchiRuki is not gonna happen XD

Afterall, it's a goodbye. It's a parting. It's them saying "Rukia's place is in Soul Society, Ichigo's place is in the living world" Since then, there has never been a question of where each person's "home" is.

Furthermore, those pages SCREAM closure. If there were romantic feelings, there would be tension, but here there's complacency. Here they are both totally okay with what's going on. Rukia is thankful for everything Ichigo's done, and Ichigo is thankful for everything Rukia's done. They have a nice, warm fuzzy moment as they leave to go live their lives.

It's a great ending.

Makes ya feel like all is right in the world, don't it? Especially the part on the side about ... XD

Your pic is missing it

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/181/19/

There ya go.

"A new chapter begins"

I also like how it mentions the protection thing, which is the REASON for the rain in his heart. Rukia had to protect him and thus, got in a lot of trouble. THAT'S the rain in his heart.

Nothing to do with love.

[Annie]

@Living: Then Chad and Orihime is a canon since Chad actually stood up for her in ch 227 when Urahara dissed her from the war front. And Ishida is practicall paired up with everyone then. Heck he even made a quincy shirt for Chad!

PE: Then what is ch 196 when she came back to real world? If ch 181 was a closure for IchiRuki, then their reunion in ch 196 wouldn't be that grand. Nor that Orihime would get jealous of Rukia because she came back and make Ichigo happy.

[spacecat]

Even if Rukia and Ichigo do not end up as a couple, I have seen no Renji Rukia pages that when compared to the ichiruki ones Syn pointed out and the quotes ("thanks to you the rain has stopped" blah blah) that are more romantic/romance implying.

Some may come close according to some people but if the ichiruki moment pointed out can be taken as friendship (which I agree it can) then I don't see how the renruki one's can't also be taken as friendship especially when the quotes/intensity pale in comparison to this ichiruki scene imo.

Whoever said we take different things from each page is right. There is no absolute proof of any relationship being more than another among the top favourite pairings in Bleach. All could be dismissed as friendship depending on who's eyes it is seen through.

edit PE: Yeah but then she comes back into his life and look at his reaction. It wasn't goodbye for real long.... I never saw Renruki use the word love either, big deal it's in his name, Kuchiki means rotwood. Names aren't much to go on.

I just don't get how you can accept things as confirmed love if it's Renji and Rukia but if it's someone else in a similar scene then it can only be friendship?

[Sergelia]

Those pages that everyone's citing for IchiRuki are the same pages that show IchiRuki is not gonna happen XD

Afterall, it's a goodbye. It's a parting. It's them saying "Rukia's place is in Soul Society, Ichigo's place is in the living world" Since then, there has never been a question of where each person's "home" is.

Furthermore, those pages SCREAM closure. If there were romantic feelings, there would be tension, but here there's complacency. Here they are both totally okay with what's going on. Rukia is thankful for everything Ichigo's done, and Ichigo is thankful for everything Rukia's done. They have a nice, warm fuzzy moment as they leave to go live their lives.

It's a great ending.

Makes ya feel like all is right in the world, don't it? Especially the part on the side about ... XD

Your pic is missing it

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/181/19/

There ya go.

"A new chapter begins"

I also like how it mentions the protection thing, which is the REASON for the rain in his heart. Rukia had to protect him and thus, got in a lot of trouble. THAT'S the rain in his heart.

Nothing to do with love.
Okay, I'm speechless now. You've efficiently shut my mouth.

Can't believe I'm reading this.

You guys. I--Can't--Believe--This. This is a whole new level of "absolute biased denial".

Can anyone gouge my eyes out now? Kthnx.

[LivingHitokiri]

What are we gona do if Kon is gona take all bleach girls ROFLMAO

[lainchan]

Those pages that everyone's citing for IchiRuki are the same pages that show IchiRuki is not gonna happen XD

Afterall, it's a goodbye. It's a parting. It's them saying "Rukia's place is in Soul Society, Ichigo's place is in the living world" Since then, there has never been a question of where each person's "home" is.

Furthermore, those pages SCREAM closure. If there were romantic feelings, there would be tension, but here there's complacency. Here they are both totally okay with what's going on. Rukia is thankful for everything Ichigo's done, and Ichigo is thankful for everything Rukia's done. They have a nice, warm fuzzy moment as they leave to go live their lives.

It's a great ending.

Makes ya feel like all is right in the world, don't it? Especially the part on the side about ... XD

Your pic is missing it

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/181/19/

There ya go.

"A new chapter begins"

I also like how it mentions the protection thing, which is the REASON for the rain in his heart. Rukia had to protect him and thus, got in a lot of trouble. THAT'S the rain in his heart.

Nothing to do with love.
Have you ever heard the expression "To love someone enough to let them go"?:D

How selfish would Ichigo look if he started going "WTF!?! I came all this way to save you so your coming home with me", slung her over his shoulder and dragged her back to earth?

It would have put me off the pairing if that happened.

[Syn]

Afterall, it's a goodbye. It's a parting. It's them saying "Rukia's place is in Soul Society, Ichigo's place is in the living world" Since then, there has never been a question of where each person's "home" is.
It is a parting (bittersweet chapter), but it doesn't prevent it to be very romantic and beautiful. I know at least one ichiruki shipper who was previously an ichiori shipper. He only watched the anime and when ep62 came by, he went: WHAT? What? What did I miss? Then read all the manga and turned out to be an ichiruki shipper. :p
So you see, the fact that it is a parting doesn't prevent the strong emotions flowing to the readers.

Furthermore, those pages SCREAM closure. If there were romantic feelings, there would be tension, but here there's complacency. Here they are both totally okay with what's going on. Rukia is thankful for everything Ichigo's done, and Ichigo is thankful for everything Rukia's done. They have a nice, warm fuzzy moment as they leave to go live their lives.
They don't scream 'CLOSURE' at all. It's because the chapter is peaceful that it's beautiful. Because love is not about what you want but sometimes it's also about what the other need.
If you want to compare it with the time when Renji let Rukia go, Renji didn't let Rukia express her wishes. Ichigo did and understood what she needed; and, as he is not selfish, he accepted her choice, because it was her choice. It doesn't mean it shut down everything nor that he was even okay with this choice (because he was not; in ch182 it is visible, both with Urahara and Kon).

It's a great ending.
It's not an ending at all ^^

Your pic is missing it

http://manga.bleachexile.com/bleach/181/19/

There ya go.

"A new chapter begins"

I also like how it mentions the protection thing, which is the REASON for the rain in his heart. Rukia had to protect him and thus, got in a lot of trouble. THAT'S the rain in his heart.

Nothing to do with love.

The sidelines are not importants, they're not written by Kubo and not present in tankoubons for a reason.
However, if you want to go there, Rukia and the rain being intertwined proves that Rukia became the most important person to protect for Ichigo. She's the symbol that he can protect and thus she's the one who must absolutely not die =)

[silhouette]

Not to get involved in the discussion just pointing out the translation meanings
Edit: Rechecked and I had the translation wrong, but her comment right. Here's the page: http://community.livejournal.com/soul_society/330097.html Kind of interesting. :D

Thank you very much for providing the link and the whole quote says
Renji: "yearning love"; "next in a sequence"
notes: "Renji" is literally translated as a "second love" (RenRuki fans should get a kick out of this, since Rukia had her first crush on Kaien). I'll just say that whoever named Renji must have been a bitter, bitter person.

The translator clearly says that Renji is next in sequence thus he is next after Kaien. The translator is not in support of RenRuki but I totally respect his/her honesty in the translation and admitting that this is good for the RenRuki fans. Plus "love next" and "second love" are the same meaning and the Kaien reference was made so the whole translation has an all bleach reference.

Also Strawberry is reference to Ichigo's hair being red. Yes Ichigo is a redhead not a blonde

[Ros]

Those pages that everyone's citing for IchiRuki are the same pages that show IchiRuki is not gonna happen XD

Afterall, it's a goodbye. It's a parting. It's them saying "Rukia's place is in Soul Society, Ichigo's place is in the living world" Since then, there has never been a question of where each person's "home" is.

Furthermore, those pages SCREAM closure. If there were romantic feelings, there would be tension, but here there's complacency. Here they are both totally okay with what's going on. Rukia is thankful for everything Ichigo's done, and Ichigo is thankful for everything Rukia's done. They have a nice, warm fuzzy moment as they leave to go live their lives.

It's a great ending.

But it doesn't end. They don't go on to lead separate lives--in fact, when Rukia comes back, they've missed each other and Rukia is able to snap Ichigo out of his funk (which contributed to Orihime's feelings of jealousy and inadequacy regarding Rukia) when nothing else can. Rukia stayed in Soul Society not because she and Ichigo belong to separate worlds, but because she now had a sense of belonging there that she didn't before, and she had people like Renji and Byakuya who she'd basically barely spoken to for years and years that she had this sudden window of opportunity to get to know again.

They are both totally okay with what's going on, because it's a moment of understanding. Lack of tension does not mean it's not a romantic moment (similarly, lack of tension doesn't mean it is one); she said she wanted to stay, and he understood why she was doing it. I'm not going to say that it was a super fluffy kissyface moment or anything like that, but I think it was good closure for that part of the story, and a moment of connection for the people involved. The fact that Rukia and Ichigo still interact and there's still a lot of the same loose ends floating around (Orihime noticing the way Ichigo looks at Rukia, Ichigo attaching huge amounts of guilt to her specifically being hurt, the fact that Kubo is still using her to teach Ichigo things about himself as in her fight with D-Roy) doesn't speak of closure to the relationship. If Rukia was still in Soul Society now, I'd agree with you.

[Ros]

The translator clearly says that Renji is next in sequence thus he is next after Kaien. The translator is not in support of RenRuki but I totally respect his/her honesty in the translation and admitting that this is good for the RenRuki fans.

Ooops. o.O I thought Chirachira was in support of them, I wasn't sure. XD I'm not super fandom active.

I kind of thought the comment about whoever naming him being bitter made it sound more like the "yearning" and "next in a sequence" referred to him being her second choice after Kaien...which could probably be true of Ichigo too. >__>;; OH KAIEN-DONO, EVEN BEYOND DEATH YOU ARE THE TRUE MASTER PIMP.

[Primera Espada]

how is it not an ending?
it SAYS it's an ending, lol.

See, to me, the biggest problem with the way people interpret ichiruki is that they think "Rukia is a very important person to Ichigo" which is true. But they think that defaults to "They're in love" which is not true.

You all need to let go this notion that for Ichigo and Rukia to have the interaction they have they have to be romantically interested in each other.

Show me a single line that shows solid romantic interest for Ichigo from rukia, or for rukia from Ichigo.

I'll go so far as to only require ONE side.

If you can provide evidence to suggest there is at least ONE sided love, then I'll agree to treat it as though it's just as valid as RukiRenji (where NO one can argue renji doesn't at least have romantic feelings towards Rukia)

You can say "this whole scene gives off a "I love you" vibe" but that can't really be used in the context of a debate. You have to present facts, or at least conjectures. Gut feelings won't cut it.

[spacecat]

PE: my only problem with you saying that is... show me a Renruki page like that, one that proves it's romantic love. You can't cos it's all down to personal interpretation since no declaration of love has come from anyone's mouth in either pairing and probably never will.

You are dismissing Ichiruki fans for claiming things similar to what you are claiming over similar evidence. Both sides can just say nah it's not romantic love therefore it's just gonna go round and round in circles.

[Syn]

Ichigo and Rukia's interactions have shown, since the end of the SS arc, a lot of depth and a tension that wasn't there before. Ichigo even had a 'get off my bed!' that is still very suspicious since he didn't care at all about having her on his bed before. And when the others popped in his bed, he didn't complain anymore too.
CH214 is a chapter where Ichigo interrupts -rudely- Inoue and asks Rukia how she is (he doesn't ask this to Inoue who has healed a lot of people and is still injured). When they talked, both Inoue and Renji were in the background, unable to say anything to enter the conversation because they made it private.
And oh, that happened again in ch247 when Ichigo and Rukia have that talk.
Did I mention how Isshin adopted Rukia as his third daughter? Or how the Kurosaki family let her sit up Ichigo (while mmh, last time I checked, Isshin is not only a doctor but a shinigami... and his sisters help Isshin regularily at the clinic too). It was girlfriend authority, yes.
Chapter 213 has the look that Ichigo gave to Rukia and you can be bloody sure that if the same look was given to Inoue, IchiOris fans would have already declared it as a lovestruck look.
Rukia seeks Ichigo for days when he left for the Vaizards. And gave him space (not the one in the forums XD) when she knew he was ok.
Ch238 had Ichigo noticing Rukia in the middle of shinigamis and Rukia staring at his back desperatly when she was taken away (again).
Ch196 had the most powerful speech from Rukia to Ichigo and Rukia acting as Ichigo's girlfriend (without her realising or without Ichigo minding for that matter) in front of Inoue (which brought up her jealousy later on).

Tell me how am I supposed to discount that?

[Mei]

It all lies in the eye of the beholder:

Someone likes Orihime a lot, p.e. and wants her to be happy in the end.

As Hime confessed her love in ch 237, it´s only natural for Hime fans that they want her to end up with Ichigo in the end, because that is what she wants. (no generalization, there´re exceptions of course)

These fans are very sensitive for interactions between those two characters and might therefore interprete more in a scene than there actually is.

But this schema can be as well adopted to IchiRuki shippers, who love Rukia, p.e. a lot and want her to find happiness as well in the end.
And if you regard the efforts, determination and resolve Ichigo put into saving Rukia, as well as their interaction (yeah, they have more interaction as IchiHime so far), history (death of Masaki and Kaien) and chemistry (yes, they have a special chemistry imo; their fighting, but also their mutual encouragements), then you might conclude that they at least have a special bond and share a deep friendship.

That is my pov :)

[Ros]

how is it not an ending?
it SAYS it's an ending, lol.

It says "a new chapter begins." It's the end of the arc ("those were the events of one summer"), and the beginning of the rest of the manga.

If you can provide evidence to suggest there is at least ONE sided love, then I'll agree to treat it as though it's just as valid as RukiRenji (where NO one can argue renji doesn't at least have romantic feelings towards Rukia)

I do think Renji has one-sided feelings for Rukia. The chapter where Ichigo is leaning over Rukia when she's unconscious and injured and Orihime sees the way he looks at her, and it hurts her because she can see his affection for Rukia, has been brought up. I trust Orihime's reaction to Ichigo's behavior and consider that evidence that he has at least one-sided feelings for Rukia.

[Primera Espada]

Space: I allready referenced those pages o.O Renji specifically says that he was too scared to claim Rukia, when he was talking to Ichigo after he beat him. I'm not sure what other interpretation there is for a guy claiming a woman.

So, until someone posts something of at least that equivalence, showing that rukia, or ichigo, has romantic intentions towards the other, I'm just gonna step out of this thread.

[Sergelia]

PE, neither Ichigo nor Rukia are sappy romantics (honestly, Renji is. And I love him for it.) They simply don't go all 'round the manga yelling "I LOVE YOU, RUKIA!" "I LOVE YOU TOO, ICHIGO!!!" but in our eyes that does not make their relationship any less interesting and, well, *obvious*. You seek for facts. Not everything has to be *said out loud* or shown plainly so every retard could see it (ie, Orihime's love for Ichigo) for people to recognize it, or have I missed something?

See, that is the problem here. I say we don't need to have them go around different dimensions making out for us to know they love each other. They don't need to marry so I'd consider them canon. Mutual understanding is what makes IchiRuki so special and *nothing*, no love confessions, no oaths, will ever beat that in my eyes.

And had Ichigo said anything other than "if that's what you want...", I'd of stop shipping IchiRuki. Anything else would make him selfish, this made him selfless.

[spacecat]

Space: I allready referenced those pages o.O Renji specifically says that he was too scared to claim Rukia, when he was talking to Ichigo after he beat him. I'm not sure what other interpretation there is for a guy claiming a woman.

So, until someone posts something of at least that equivalence, showing that rukia, or ichigo, has romantic intentions towards the other, I'm just gonna step out of this thread.
LOL well i claimed syn and ileenka, does it really mean.... ????:inlove

In all seriouseness....I don't consider that a love confession. He claims her as his sister?, his friend?, his hostage?, it could be anything. Claiming doesn't sound romantic either, it sounds like how someone would refer to an object.

I can see how renruki fans could maybe somehow see it as a love confession but it brings me back to my previous point, please don't expect everyone else to see it that way or agree with you just like you don't when they consider something else a form of love confession. Personal opinions, it's all it all is......and that is my personal opinion.

[Nama]

So your predicting a bleach orgy then?:headscratch

I could live with that:wtf
Um, no. :rolleyes: What I meant is that I like more than one Ruki-pairing and more than one Hime-pairing. . .and more than one Momo-pairing. Any of them can happen, but I by no means meant that all of them can happen simultaneously. xDD You were probably kidding though.

[Lilium]

My vote goes to Ichiruki. XDD And if urahara x yoruichi is there, i'd vote it too, as well as shinji x hiyori. Ah crap, i forgot to vote for gin x matsumoto as well.

[Primera Espada]

Just to clear something up for spacey:

claiming her as his star. It was the poem. Sorry, I should have mentioned that. The whole story about the star and the stray dog, the dog chasing after the star, rukia being his star, and him trying to catch her. It's the title of the chapter even.

But typically, when you "belong" to someone, it's a romance thing. "I'm his" or "she's mine" ya know, that sort of thing.

I apologize for not being clear enough with what point I was referring to.

[Sergelia]

Ironically, while I do love the "tramp and the star" theme, it's what makes me so certain that Rukia and Renji were never in a romantic relationship (now, they MIGHT be in the future, but that's just a speculation). Why would he need to "run after" her, why would he make an analogy in which she's "unreachable" to him, if they were together?

[spacecat]

Just to clear something up for spacey:

claiming her as his star. It was the poem. Sorry, I should have mentioned that. The whole story about the star and the stray dog, the dog chasing after the star, rukia being his star, and him trying to catch her. It's the title of the chapter even.

But typically, when you "belong" to someone, it's a romance thing. "I'm his" or "she's mine" ya know, that sort of thing.

I apologize for not being clear enough with what point I was referring to.
Ah right the poem, well it sure is nice and all and I actually believe Renji most likely does like Rukia more than friends but at this point I would never say that they are a couple, were a couple or will definitely be one.

And based on what I have read I am still totally guessing that he probably fancies her romantically, personally I would say there is no concrete evidence though. I don't see any absolute evidence for any other Bleach pairing either really but I think more hint towards it than with those two. Just my opinion though.

[Cezaria]

UlquiHime first and foremost. Because I believe in silly things. Really.

IchiRuki because I won't be surprised in the least.

[Primera Espada]

Well, space, that's why I said I wouldn