Fansubs: Can a new business model save the anime industry?

[Saffire]

There's an open letter to the industry out right now written by AnimeNewsNetwork's Justin Sevakis, available here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2007-11-25

The essence of the letter is that the current business model for the anime industry is failing, and though fansubs are certainly to blame, the business itself is also to blame for failing to properly respond to the issue. The rights holders have not effectively defended their property and so the value of anime has dropped to roughly $0.00. Anime that exists as fansubs has next to no monetary value.

The answer? Justin proposes that the industry step up and start releasing official subs. Subs that can go up and be streamed within a few days after its original air date. Subs that can be offered through some sort of subscription service, which puts money straight back into the industry's pocket. If you can eliminate the need for fansubs, then it becomes easier to get groups to stop.

It's still not a perfect solution, but most likely one doesn't exist. Do you think fansubbing is a major issue, and is this a good solution?

[Rain]

If offical subs are put up (for free, although registration could be required) and there is a major crackdown on "pirated/illegal" subs, then its a decent way to help save their industry.

People will, one way or another, get the subs for free, so if the company itself does it, it would help them, but anything less than that won't do much good

[Frosted Heart]

I think it could work.

What the anime/manga industry is going through right now is what the music industry went through before. Of course it'll never fully recover, but with iTunes and other online music stores, at least they aren't losing as much money as before.

I doubt a major crack down on fansubs will go through though. A lot of courts throw away music downloading cases because they clog up the system and they simply don't have time for it. Yes, perhaps a few might go through to be an example for others, but I doubt they'll chase every person who'll download.

[Saffire]

They don't have to chase down anyone who downloads, just the sub groups. If you can get rid of the fansubs it really cuts off illegal downloading on the international level. Naturally that's nearly impossible, but it should be possible to push it down. If they aren't readily accessible, people are more likely to turn to legit sources. As it is, fansubs are incredibly easy to acquire, but if you can nail some of the major groups it would cut that down.

People will, one way or another, get the subs for free, so if the company itself does it, it would help them, but anything less than that won't do much goodYou don't think people would turn to a legit pay source for subbed anime if it was available? I think a lot of people would, which would definitely help cover costs.

[Velius]

I've payed for plenty of anime in my time. I almost always buy officials for my most favorite shows. For me at least, the issue isn't money. For me, it's speed, of subbing and releases, and quality. That is why I download anime.

Lets take for example Bleach. DB can release an episode of Bleach a day after it's released. If Viz could do that and it was still free, even with registration, I would for sure support Viz.

If there was to be a major crack down on fansubs and Viz did start to release episodes online, not in crappy DVD format, I would buy them, as I'm sure all that could would.

Those things though, right now, are simply not realistic. I don't shouldn't have to wait months for Viz to release something, when I can download it now.

When there is an iAnime store, that can provide me with the same type of quality for dubs, subs and raws, I will be one of the first in line. I still don't think that will be anytime soon, if ever. The article is certainly right, any change should happen sooner rather then later.

[negativzero]

if you live in Singapore like i do, this very model would just fall straight on its face.
i don't know much about the anime economy in the US, but in singapore, it still pretty much remains a consensus that if you can get something for free, you will not buy it. this country has the highest bittorrent percentage per population. no one really goes out and buys DVDs here anymore, saying that anime DVDs are sub-par on quality, which i do agree to some extent.

if you've been following the Odex saga(and if you have not been, just google ODEX), you know what i mean right now. there is an attempt by the community to get the company bankrupt because they started fining people who downloaded anime. i mean, come on, some people seriously need some moral fiber here. and if you don't support the compnies that give you the anime, then how is the industry gonna prosper?

[Primera Espada]

See, what I don't understand is...
isn't most of the anime we watch on basic TV channels in Japan? Like, the channels you can get simply if you plug in a TV?

So... explain to me... other than the loss of watching commercials, and the inaccurate ratings, how does the industry lose money on people watching subs of episodes airing in japan on a week to week basis.

Now I understand the issue of downloading old eps, eps that aren't aired anymore. I also understand the issue of downloading eps that are available in your area for a fee. But, are they actually losing anything by having more people watch their shows?

I'm starting to think the real reason there isn't a bigger fuss over fansubs is that... japan doesn't mind it. It makes their merchandise sell out the wazoo. That's where they get most of their money anyways, right? And DVDs still sell, and video games still sell.

To me it seems like fansubs hurt the dubbing industry, but not the anime industry in and of itself.

But, I have only a vague grasp on how things work in japan. If someone could enlighten me, it would be much appreciated.

[negativzero]

You see, outside Japan, the money comes in only if you buy the DVDs, that supports the companies. There are 2 economies you have to look at, internal economy(Japan) and external(the World). So by downloading subs, you're removing the income from the external economies. If anime in Japan earns revenue from commercials, then how does anime over the world earn money? By buying DVDs, simple as that.

You see, its the same as the RIAA screwing people outside the US for downloading shows like House, because the money doesn't go back into the filmakers pockets, its as simple as that. Its the mentality people have, why download when I can get it free and before it comes over to my country?

Dubbing industry? I don't think you can separate that from the anime industry frankly. Its just another way of packaging the same product really.

[Shadoblak]

The only issue I have is quality.....Theres no way in hell I'll ever pay for a 4Kids butchering of an otherwise well made anime.....I won't do it....I'd rather read through the whole series than endure that kind of purgatory....(Gainax is okay:p)

[Primera Espada]

I've done some more reading up on the topic, and I feel I have some of the answers I was looking for.

One, fansubbers really have no effect on the the japanese market. The japanese market IS the lifeblood of the anime industry. The money they get in DVD sales from the US markets is minimal, really.

In addition to that, we've seen that a show like dragonball Z can in fact flourish greatly by releasing DVDs with the original japanese, and subtitles along with the dub. I mean, the show doesn't even air anywhere, and they're still releasing season sets.

That's another thing, the fact that people don't *want* to have to pay for a dub, cause they don't want the dub, they want the japanese. How are they suppossed to get the japanese?

The big issue is that the industry is not meeting the needs of it's consumers on a global scale. It's relying on it's domestic market. Well obviously illegal downloading is going to affect the domestic market, but 99% of that is not fansubs, I guarantee you. They're people who provide the raw. So going after fansubbing companies do nothing to counter the loss of sales in japan.

It's also somewhat silly that they talk about losing money. They aren't "losing" money. They are simply not gaining as much money as they thought they could. If microsoft reports that they did not meet their expected yearly earnings, they didn't lose money, they simply gained less than they hoped. People forget that there's a certain amount of pure profit that is then used in a variety of ways.

For the most part, anime is covering their own expenses. What they aren't doing is making the money it used to make, since less people feel the *need* to buy DVDs, or pay for a satellite channel that they only watch one show on, when they can get it for free elsewhere.

Also, placing the blame soley on fansubs is rediculous. The article at ANN explains it pretty well, I don't feel I need to reiterate.

But I will say this,

There's anime DVDs that I want.

I can't buy them.

Why? Cause they won't be dubbed for another 2 or 3 years.

I can't watch them on TV either.

I can't get a special channel via satellite because I am not the owner of the property, I can't get the TV bill in my name, so on and so forth.

The only way I can *watch* the show is online.

And then there's the fact that after I watch the episode once, 95% of the time, I don't care to see it again.

Ever.

So I should shell out 20 bucks for 3 episodes I don't like, and one episode I do like, none of which I have seen prior to purchasing the DVD, and the one ep I do like will be watched maybe 3 times before I sell the DVD to someone else because I'm bored with it?

some mainstream anime is carried in rental stores, and that's a more affordable option, but rental stores get dvds even later than retail stores.

I'm not condoning illegal downloads, but then again, what do you expect? Would the industry rather have someone download a show illegally, then buy a bunch of merchandise for it, or just not watch it at all? I don't think the industry realizes that to a lot of us, those are the only 2 options.

[Riekie]

@Primera: Just one thing I want to say, really. They don't care about the 'World' as in people from other countries that want to see the episodes once they come out in Japan. Their first and foremost priority is to have the Japanese population watch their shows and buy their products, we the 2nd or maybe 3rd priority on their list.

[AnimeGirlPan]

Well if they even started to offically sub in the first place for people in the first place..then Fansubs wouldn't be needed...only way I could accept any offical sub..if they don't make me have to pay crap for it...cause I don't have Japanese TV..

[tari101190]

i think they should do ofical release of subbed anime on the net after its aired.

dunno about the rest of the world but most uk channel things have "on demand" service now. once the program has aired, its on their site (or on a speical channel) the next day. its great. you can watch it weeva you want.

i watch nearly everything on the net now anyway...most ofit from america though cos their ahead of us in the eps.

if japan espeicaly did put the anime on the net to watch subbed in most common language or even raw, they would get ALOT of money though this method i think. of course they would charge us, thats goes without saying really ("unfortunately" is a more accurate word maybe). it wouldn't be expensive though, that i'm sure about. like it costs a few pence (erm cents i think???) to watch tv shows "on demand". movies are like 1-3 punds though (thats 100-300 pence...i think cents and dollars in america are double our pounds and pence. so it would cost you maybe 5-6 dollars for movies).

this idea would be great, not just for anime, but like all movies, tv shows etc. more ppl seem to be internet able now right? plus digital tv is slowly fusing with the internet so you couldstit on your sofa at home, surfing the net, watching tv shows or movies or anme, in any common language, aywhere in the world for low low prices.

thats what i hope happens atleast.

[aquavit]

I definitely would pay for official subs if they came out the next day after airing in Japan. However, I am aware some fans don't have the ability to pay. The anime industry could require registration and sell advertising like other free sites and sell merchandise on the site. If Google and Yahoo can make money from advertising, I think an official anime sub site could too. If they think it's not financially feasible they can charge a small fee, like a dollar an episode. The industry should do it soon otherwise fans will get so use to getting the episodes through the fansubs the official site would not prosper.

[cheez]

I don't totally agree with the paper saying that fansubs are problem for anime. I think the main fault lies with marketing and handling of anime outside of Japan.

Fansubs can be a real help to the industry. Fansubs offer a fast and easy way to see animes that would not be available to people out side of Japan for years if ever. Fansubs exentially offer free marketing for the anime and create a global interest in series.

I think the anime industry is simply not aggressive in its marketing in forigen markets. In the US the only tv station that airs anime is Cartoon Network and dvd sales are very small and not easy to find. The anime industry should be more aggressive in trying to get animes on more channels because Cartoon Network isn't even available to people with out cable. If the anime industry could get some animes to air on the major stations like FOX, NBC, ABC, and CBS either on late night, weekends, or the summer time that would greatly open up the market for anime.

[Akutabi]

In the US the only tv station that airs anime is Cartoon Network and dvd sales are very small and not easy to find.

Sci-Fi, Fuse, and IFC have also been airing anime

[cheez]

Fuse and IFC aren't even on all basic cable packages and only some anime is shown on Sci-Fi during late night on some days. All the four stations combined don't have the viewers that one of the 4 major stations has.

The anime industry should use the interest created by fansubs to get quality dubbing animes out on the market faster. Weekends are low in viewers so mostly reruns are shown, if the anime used its all ready established fan base as a selling point then I'm sure some of the popular animes could be shown on the major stations. If they get on major tv stations even if just on weekends they will be reaching potentially millions of viewers and at least creating more interest in the series.

[Soranushi]

Well at first I was think of a International Anime Channel that's kinda like The Anime network was but no it wouldn't work but a streaming site sounds perfect if they do it this way let me explain:

First all the companys that are having problems join together to form 1-3 Streaming sites that you have to subscribe too there would be two levels to it I'll explain later.

Then they find the most popular anime being Sub then they contact the Fansubers, and make a deal with them and pay them to Sub the anime but instead of giving them out for free it goes to the main server where all the anime will be stored.

Now for how to watch them first their will be two levels free subscription and Pro-level which you have to pay yearly. In free you only get to watch the anime for free with ads in the beginning and ends and you can only watch the most recent episodes of each anime. And then the Pro-level still has ads but you can watch every episode of each anime and you can download three episodes of any show once a week for your self. Then they would make an Itunes like service for downloading every episodes at $1-3 dollars an episode.

Thats how I think the can fix their problems with subbing also they can use the site as a means to see if Americans like any new anime that just came out or is coming out in Japan.
And start licensing them faster or get it subbed faster also for the Dubs they just have to release them to the public faster like we would only be a week-2months behind Japan, like Pokemon is only 13 episodes behind japan right now and the recent movie is already coming out here in march when it just came out on dvd in japan in December.

Also they should like mentioned above put anime on Channels like Fox and the CW imagine a Anime coming on after family guy on Fox or after Smallville on the CW

[emoloz]

Anything to get a decent channel of anime NOT ON SKY WHICH IS PANTS. Will do me whatever they decide to do. Ok yeah that's a lame debate but yeah.

Downloading is a huge problem but no one actually knows how to solve it apart from banning peoples ISP's and banning households form having the net so they cannot download which is really breaking human rights if you ask me.

The only way would be to sort of bargaining as i call it. For example offer something a bit more. Like me am a sucker for bonus scenes on how stuff is made. I dunno why it just fascinates me. So if they made tonnes of DVD's at a fair price and bonus features am there.

Also downloading packages where you might get say like 10 episodes for like $8 like less than $ each or something. These people usually like as well because your like getting free episodes if you think you pay like $1 for every episode.

All about marketing strategies to be honest people are so blind to them and pick such lame ways of marketing especially in the Japanese CD industry because in the last 2 years CD sales have dropped dramatically with the complete and utter rise of downloads now sweeping Japan. And also for CD's some of there promotions really make me want to slap them because there so lame and people can obviously see your just wanting to make money. (if you want to know why I know this I keep up to speed with a lot of Japanese music and sales so yeah that's what I have seen over the past few years).

[Lady Scaper]

Uh I just wanted to say the reason I go with fansubs (of Bleach) is that I absolutely hate with a passion the censoring of Bleach once it's dubbed or released in manga here. I go with fansubs since I truly want to know what is being said. I still buy the manga and the dvds once they are released here (although possibly with the manga I may stop because it's driving me crazy what they take out. The word "heart" is not even allowed!!!)

I tried watching bleach subbed on the dvd and they take out the honourifics which really pisses me off (among other things).

If the official release actually matched closer to what is being said in the actual Japanese, I would more enthusiastically buy the official stuff and recomend it to other people. I know for other people, they just don't want to pay and I do think that is unfair. Me, I am totally willing to pay if the quality and accuracy of the product is comparable to what the original Japanese has.

I think the censoring bothers me so much is when I part with my money I trust that the company doing the translation will do their best to give me what the author intends. (With Viz I simply don't trust them).

[Babbo]

I've done some more reading up on the topic, and I feel I have some of the answers I was looking for.

One, fansubbers really have no effect on the the japanese market. The japanese market IS the lifeblood of the anime industry. The money they get
in DVD sales from the US markets is minimal, really.

Hurr? Dod you honestly think that not a single japanese person is watching fansubs? Or raws for that matter? They're the ones uploading it so why wouldn't they be watching it as well o,o? Another thing to consider is that a rather large amount of the funding for new shows comes from licensing fees that Foreign companies pay to release anime outside of japan >.>



That's another thing, the fact that people don't *want* to have to pay for a dub, cause they don't want the dub, they want the japanese. How are they suppossed to get the japanese?

Um...Hurr? Don't know where you've been but there are quite a few people that actually do want the dub. Hop on over to the anime news network forums if you don't believe babbo.

The big issue is that the industry is not meeting the needs of it's consumers on a global scale. It's relying on it's domestic market. Well obviously illegal downloading is going to affect the domestic market, but 99% of that is not fansubs, I guarantee you. They're people who provide the raw. So going after fansubbing companies do nothing to counter the loss of sales in japan. The problem is that fansubs spread it even further >.>

It's also somewhat silly that they talk about losing money. They aren't "losing" money. They are simply not gaining as much money as they thought they could. If microsoft reports that they did not meet their expected yearly earnings, they didn't lose money, they simply gained less than they hoped. People forget that there's a certain amount of pure profit that is then used in a variety of ways. They're losing it due to an illegal copyright violation. It's kinda moot to argue that they only lost potential money when it's due to an illegal practice >.>

Babbo does agree that it's kind of silly to automatically blame fansubs though. People aren't buying anime for plenty of other reasons. For one there's the rising price of gas and what not; people have to choose between anime or something more basic to their needs. There's also the rise of box set dvds, whether or not the anime industry likes it, they are competing against that $40 season box set of lost or heroes with a $40-60 thin pack with less content or a $20-5 3 episode dvd or in case of bandai releases, a $40 2 episode dvd (not necessarily with a dub to justify that price; babbo's heart is bleeding over code geass ;.; ). People are going to have to make a decision between and anime doesn't necessarily win out >.>

[AnimeFantasyFan]

Hurr? Dod you honestly think that not a single japanese person is watching fansubs? Or raws for that matter? They're the ones uploading it so why wouldn't they be watching it as well o,o? Another thing to consider is that a rather large amount of the funding for new shows comes from licensing fees that Foreign companies pay to release anime outside of japan >.>

Why would they need fansubs? They've got the program there in their language! The point is- most viewers who watch fansubs are not native speakers of the programs in question. Viewers need fansubs, otherwise they're just listening to people jabber.

Would you have any idea what Bleach was about if you didn't have the translated manga/animé and didn't know Japanese?

Babbo does agree that it's kind of silly to automatically blame fansubs though. People aren't buying anime for plenty of other reasons. For one there's the rising price of gas and what not; people have to choose between anime or something more basic to their needs. There's also the rise of box set dvds, whether or not the anime industry likes it, they are competing against that $40 season box set of lost or heroes with a $40-60 thin pack with less content or a $20-5 3 episode dvd or in case of bandai releases, a $40 2 episode dvd (not necessarily with a dub to justify that price; babbo's heart is bleeding over code geass ;.; ). People are going to have to make a decision between and anime doesn't necessarily win out >.>

Good point- to make a good argument, you can't put all of your eggs in one basket. I think the problem is a cultural thing (at least here in the States). Marketing companies essentially whore out animé because it's a "cartoon" and if the message is tweaked it can be marketed to a "larger" coughmoreimpressionablecough audience (Code Named: children).

But many, many people are still living their daily lives just fine- yeah, it sucks (I commute to work and school- without public transportation), and until there's changes, naught can be done about gas prices, leave it alone :cool:)

Um...Hurr? Don't know where you've been but there are quite a few people that actually do want the dub. Hop on over to the anime news network forums if you don't believe babbo.

And Babbo I agree, many people like dubs, they like them a lot, but they want GOOD dubs, not the 4Kids trash. :mad:

Fansubs do it better, because the fans aren't worried about the message that comes across- they just care about the translation and getting it right. Look at Bleach, and the "artistic license" that's happening.

Fansubs are free, while DVDs have import prices, and all that jazz.

Fansubs are quicker, as most everybody here has said. The animé business has a bad rap, and people would rather have people who don't have an agenda telling them what they're listening to.

If Justin Sevakis had a way to promise people cheap, accurate, speedy translations and DVD sets of our beloved animé, he'd have my attention. But until then... I'll be on Youtube! :)

[Babbo]

Why would they need fansubs? They've got the program there in their language! The point is- most viewers who watch fansubs are not native speakers of the programs in question. Viewers need fansubs, otherwise they're just listening to people jabber.

Would you have any idea what Bleach was about if you didn't have the translated manga/animé and didn't know Japanese?
Because the majority of anime are on cable channels that they don't necessarily have a subscription to >.>

Re airs aren't all to common for less popular shows too. And for older shows it hurts dvd sales >.>



Good point- to make a good argument, you can't put all of your eggs in one basket. I think the problem is a cultural thing (at least here in the States). Marketing companies essentially whore out animé because it's a "cartoon" and if the message is tweaked it can be marketed to a "larger" coughmoreimpressionablecough audience (Code Named: children).

But many, many people are still living their daily lives just fine- yeah, it sucks (I commute to work and school- without public transportation), and until there's changes, naught can be done about gas prices, leave it alone :cool:)

Well the main point is that the industry seems to be looking for a scape goat in fansubs. Sure they're probably hurting the industry; but the industry is hurting itself and plenty it's not like the economy is helping either <.<


And Babbo I agree, many people like dubs, they like them a lot, but they want GOOD dubs, not the 4Kids trash. :mad:

Fansubs do it better, because the fans aren't worried about the message that comes across- they just care about the translation and getting it right. Look at Bleach, and the "artistic license" that's happening.

Fansubs are free, while DVDs have import prices, and all that jazz.

Fansubs are quicker, as most everybody here has said. The animé business has a bad rap, and people would rather have people who don't have an agenda telling them what they're listening to.

If Justin Sevakis had a way to promise people cheap, accurate, speedy translations and DVD sets of our beloved animé, he'd have my attention. But until then... I'll be on Youtube! :)

True, but there also many people that just want it in English. Especially in the younger age groups. Babbo's younger brothers will generally watch the english version if they help it ; even when we watched Pat Labor (which has one of the worst dubs imgainable(even ANN said it sucked)) they still opted it for the dub. Sometimes people like the dubs better too. Sure babbo can't understand why they might for instance want to watch FMA with Ed sounding like a chain smoking 25 year old man, but babbo isn't everybody and neither are the whole "dubs suck" demographic >.>

And lets not deceive ourselves. There are a couple rare fansubbers out there that do it as fans, but most of them do it for self gratification/ they want someone to kiss their ass (shinsen subs comes to mind;their whole forum is a festival of ass kissing, no matter that they pick up too many series at once and most of them are already oversubbed).

[AnimeFantasyFan]

True, but there also many people that just want it in English. Especially in the younger age groups. Babbo's younger brothers will generally watch the english version if they help it ; even when we watched Pat Labor (which has one of the worst dubs imgainable(even ANN said it sucked)) they still opted it for the dub. Sometimes people like the dubs better too. Sure babbo can't understand why they might for instance want to watch FMA with Ed sounding like a chain smoking 25 year old man, but babbo isn't everybody and neither are the whole "dubs suck" demographic >.>

Dubs can be good if you're trying to do something else and still listen to the story (for instance, I got Bleach Season 1 and I will listen to that while I do homework sometimes), and to be honest, most little kids probably don't care about the dubbing vs subbed argument anyway.

But one has to wonder why the voices are so incredibly mismatched. Bleach is alright, but there are some that seem like somebody just picked a random name out of a hat.

And lets not deceive ourselves. There are a couple rare fansubbers out there that do it as fans, but most of them do it for self gratification/ they want someone to kiss their ass (shinsen subs comes to mind;their whole forum is a festival of ass kissing, no matter that they pick up too many series at once and most of them are already oversubbed).

I'll make a note to watch out for them.... but again it comes back to the point that while fansubbers and licensed translation teams are both getting a reward for their services (internet fame and money, respectively)-fansubbers do it better because it's faster and with fewer (not necessarily no) changes in the actual language.

If businesses have competition, then if they want to survive, they've got to compete well. If the animé industry doesn't want to "swim" in the free market system, they're going to sink.

[Velius]

Well, I'd thought I would bump this with something kinda related to get a new topic going.

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/06/03/focal-point-fanning-the-fansubbing-flame-war/

Watch the video on that link, there are 5 parts. Lets start a nice discussion about what was said. :XD

Personally, at around the middle/end of the second part, I had to control the number of cuss words I was saying out load. HA. It was making me rage quite a bit. For me, it was just bullshit that he was spouting. I lol'd at the 6400 word notes that should come with a show. :-_- This guy wreaks of too much troll. After the second part, I was pretty much laughing at the rest. I would love to hear what some of you guys think about it, but I just can't take it seriously.

[Shadoblak]

:lmao
That guy's a total moron :lmao

[Velius]

I'm curious to know Shado, did you actually finish it? :rofl Could you make it through?

[Shadoblak]

I watched the first two parts and decided I knew what this guy was all about :lmao
He's bitching about anime fanboys and yet he not only compiled a half hour fanboyish bitchfest, but he made the opening and his on screen avatar anime :lmao

He's just being a tard...

[Velius]

I completely agree. He's a good troll. :XD In parts 4 and 5 though, he does make some good points. Doesn't change all the bullshit that surrounds those couple of good points. I would say watch the whole thing, if you can stomach it.

[Shadoblak]

I'm trading comments with him right now on part 3

[bradc]

I believe they can, if they hire fansubbers to do the job. But again, and always the companies will always be attacking the fanbase, who we often buy their materials and support them. If it wasn't for us fans, they be out of business already. Now that Geneon US has been sayonara and ADV pulling away their catalog; most of already fansubs goes back on the shelf and be downloaded by the fans once more.

There was also Funanimation; they say they watch the downloads from bittorrents and see what's popular before they can license it to professionally sub it. They already lost from the VERY beginning where the fandom was built from the ground up because anime those days was hard to find. Now a days... It isn't... Is just stupid companies blaming the fans for their poor marketing skills and horrible translations being Americanize, or being SPECIAL programs providers and it takes them eons to finish a series on weekly basis 8(

[mechaqua]

the amines are available on TV right? where does TV get its money advertising why not just release official subs with advertisements from companies that the native viewer will be from (they do it for shows that are streamed on TV stations websites) yeah its annoying but it allows the viewer to watch it the industry gets paid not the most effective method but has been widely implemented in North America

[bradc]

the amines are available on TV right? where does TV get its money advertising why not just release official subs with advertisements from companies that the native viewer will be from (they do it for shows that are streamed on TV stations websites) yeah its annoying but it allows the viewer to watch it the industry gets paid not the most effective method but has been widely implemented in North America

Companies started to do that.... Better late than never:

Examples of:

Kadokawa & Youtube Share Videos (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/news/2008-05-28/kadokawa-youtube-to-share-ads-on-user-generated-videos)

I forgot what other new company started the streaming downloads for fee ... There was another one if I can actually find it... Eeek. I believe ADV had it before for cost $1.99 with subtitles before they yanked them again for gods knows why they did with their licensed catalog.