+Dramatic+ The Honey and Clover FC [Archive]

Cezaria

11-14-2007, 01:12 PM

If I continue down this path without looking back...where will I end up?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/kakiryu/hc.jpg

+Dramatic+
The Honey and Clover Fan Club

Intro:
Takemoto Yuuta is a freshman at an art university. He leads a normal, goalless life, not knowing what to do in the future. One day, Takemoto's art teacher Hanamoto brought his niece to the university, a small, dainty girl by the name of Hanamoto Hagumi. Takemoto falls in love at first sight with Hagumi, and the story unfolds from then. But apart from Takemoto, Morita Shinobu, a 6th year (retaining) student who lives in the same complex, also falls in love with Hagumi.
The other characters, Mayama Takumi and Yamada Ayumi all have issues of their own, and the characters' stories are interwoven to produce one of the best shoujo drama that exists.

Owner:
Cezaria

Members:
kaya
haliparot
laurie b.
Shannon
Jasse
rei_ai
Marionette
CooWings

kaya

11-15-2007, 01:37 PM

Finally a Honey & Clover FC!!!~ Honey & Clover is one of my most favourite shoujo manga. I would love to join!~

haliparot

11-15-2007, 01:47 PM

Join, please! :D I love this series and while I haven't read past chapter 10 of the manga, I've watched and thoroughly enjoyed the entirety of the anime. I love the songs!

Also, random observation, but did you bold every lowercase T and F in your introduction post? That is so awesome (and time-consuming!). :D

Cezaria

11-15-2007, 02:04 PM

<3333 added you guys.

@Hali: Huh? Why would I do that? XD I think it must be your computer or browser that's making it look that way...

So what are your favourite characters/couples?

My favourite character is by far Morita-sempai <3333 Then Nomiya. I'm a Nomiya/Yamada shipper :D

haliparot

11-15-2007, 02:11 PM

Dang. And I was so impressed too! You just destroyed my perfect image of you inserting [ b] and [ /b] for every lowercase T and F, Cez! Give me back my impressed-feelings! :yell

Also: Morita-sempai! :D :D :D OMG, he's my favorite too! As for couples, I think my fave was Morita/Hagu, because Morita-in-love is as crazy as everyday-Morita. Haha! And also because it's quite understated in a series so seeped in romance as H&C.

kaya

11-15-2007, 02:14 PM

Yesssss! Thank you so much,Cezaria! Let's have lot of fun searching four-leaf clover!

My favourite character is also Morita. He is the clown of the series. I love little Hagu chan and Ayumi too.
As pairing, I'm okay with Hagu/Takemoto and Hagu/Morita actually. LOL. I don't mind if it's a threesome. Ahahaha. Actually, I do prefer Hagu/Morita but I started out liking Hagu/Takemoto and I always like how Takemoto treats Hagu chan

I also prefer Ayumi to be with Nomiya than Mayama,but love is always blind.

Cezaria

11-15-2007, 02:14 PM

I think the scene where he wrapped the scarf around Hagu and kissed her was one of the most beautiful scenes in any anime, ever :inlove:

Then he wrapped her up like a mummy and ran away screaming was massive LOLs

@hali: Oh, but how bout I make up for it by going back and doing the opposite? Will it make a difference on your screen? XD
Edit: I can only muster enough patience to do a third. phew.

kaya

11-15-2007, 02:19 PM

I think the scene where he wrapped the scarf around Hagu and kissed her was one of the most beautiful scenes in any anime, ever :inlove:

Then he wrapped her up like a mummy and ran away screaming was massive LOLs

oh yes! That scene wins me over and convinced that Hagu is interested in Morita cos she have a fever after that. And moronic Morita actually made that romantic scene into a comedy.

haha,Cezaria.You should go and bold them. Maybe after doing that, the fonts will go dancing like the food in the opening.

Cezaria

11-15-2007, 02:23 PM

LOL Morita makes EVERYTHING a comedy. Hence why I love him so much. I think it proves that Hagu likes Morita, but it's not doing much for her since she gets sick and unhappy :/

Oh and on the street when she tripped, he caught her. That was SO SWEET as well.

And I spat out whatever that was in my mouth at the time when I saw blonde Morita winning the Academy awards. XDDDDD That was a massive Morita!LOL moment as well.

And I recall in season one, another massive lulz moment was when the gay twin brothers reconciled. THAT was AWESOME.

haliparot

11-15-2007, 02:26 PM

YActually, I do prefer Hagu/Morita but I started out liking Hagu/Takemoto and I always like how Takemoto treats Hagu chan
The funny thing is, ever since Hagu got that impressed look on her face upon seeing Morita's excellence in drawing (Ep03, was it?) I was sort of rooting for them already. But Takemoto seemed the forerunner in the anime beginning, so I didn't really hope. Imagine my surprise when the series progressed to confirm what I was hoping for! :D

I like all Yamada-pairings (I like Morita/Ayu too but their friendship was too precious already to complicate with romance, haha!). I like how Nomiya pursued and persevered for her too. My only qualm about the Nomiya/Yamada pairing is the constant contrast between Mayama and Nomiya and how Nomiya had been repeatedly stated as being the "complete" Mayama-version.

I think the scene where he wrapped the scarf around Hagu and kissed her was one of the most beautiful scenes in any anime, ever.
YES! Man, I was really impressed by that. Kissing under the Sakura is commin in anime in terms of romantic set-ups, but what Morita did afterwards made it so unique.

And LOL! Don't bother. I'll just pretend you did that in the first place. This means I'm ignoring what you said in your previous post about my browser, by the way. :p

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edit: BLOND!Morita, hahaha! Man, I really love Morita. I love the whole Morita-family, actually. I'm so glad there was so much backstory for him andhis family in H&C II since I think he was the least explored character in the first season. :)

Cezaria

11-15-2007, 02:36 PM

Actually, I haven't watched season 2 yet (BLASPHEMOUS!) but I am anticipating more Morita moments ><

God, I'll probably be crying when it all ends.

I watched the live action movie as well. Mayama's such a nerdy stalker:rotflmao

I do love Nomiya, I find that he's really unlike Mayama, even though the characters claim they're alike. He knows what he wants and doesn't hesitate to take the actions required. I admire that in a man. And it's him who's dragged Yamada out of her tearful depression, I think they'd go well together.

haliparot

11-15-2007, 02:42 PM

Ack, you haven't! Good thing I didn't blab anything then (I tend to do that a lot >_<).

I haven' watched the live action! How can the Morita-actor, you know. ACT like Morita? Morita's in a level of his own!

Mayama knows what he wants and doesn't hesitate to take the actions required either, though. All we need is ask Rika-san. :p Hmm. Put that way, I see what the other characters mean. Like you, I didn't think Mayama and Nomiya were that similar, but I guess they are.

kaya

11-15-2007, 02:43 PM

Cezaria: LOL. I really see all the f and t! My browser goes :yell
Blond Morita is damn classic. I burst out laughing like mad when he appears. Actually when I saw the Hagu-like hamsters of his movie,Space Titantic, I know something funny is going to happen.

I actually prefer Season 1 more. But Season 2 is also very good. I guess it's because S1 is funnier and talks more about the happy times. I cried at the ending. Takemoto's narration is very poetic and beautiful.

I'm really glad Yamada get to meet Nomiya. She really deserves someone to love her unconditionally and teach her love.

haliparot: I always love how Hagu looks when she saw Morita doing his work. It's like they are the only people who exist in the whole world. Since then, Hagu always looks tenderly at Morita.
I actually expected that Takemoto may not be with Hagu, same with Morita. The narration he used at the beggining seems to tell an unsuccessful love.

Cezaria

11-15-2007, 02:49 PM

But Mayama was lost for a long, long time before he took any action to get Rika-san!

It was as if Nomiya took one look at Yamada and decided he'd chase this girl. That's the difference :D

I also feel perhaps Hagu and Morita will always be together spiritually, through their artworks. Since they're both geniuses and they connect in ways no normal person can comprehend :inlove

Although Takemoto was not a favourite in the beginning, he really won me over at the end of the first season. He learned to be courageous and determined. Plus he's hotter with long hair.

Edit: The Morita actor was.....more normal. But that's because he's a real person. BUT HE SPEAKS AFRICAN.

laurie b.

11-15-2007, 02:51 PM

I would like to join, please :D

Actually I'm quite happy, Cezaria, you decided to start this FC :) I was thinking of it myself, except I didn't want the responsibility of keeping it running. Mwahahahaha. So I will simply participate.

I wrote a really long blog entry/essay last month on H&C, after I watched the second season. If anyone's interested, here's the link:

http://laurie-bunter.livejournal.com/13113.html#cutid1

I was disappointed with the live-action film, it tried to cram too much of the story into two hours. I think H&C would have made a better mini-series for TV. That would have been perfect.

I really liked the girl they got to play Hagu, though. She rocks.

Cezaria

11-15-2007, 02:58 PM

<3 welcome Laurie B. I'll definitely check out your essay after I finish season 2.

I got owned by assignments after marathoning season 1 instead of doing what I should be doing... XD

I agree, the live action seemed really rushed. But Hagu-chan was damn cute. Especially when she smiled. <3

kaya

11-15-2007, 03:03 PM

This is the special tickets of the live action movie. So pretty!!!~Oh god,i will buy them all!http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3512/ticketslk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

haliparot: I also dislike the live action movie. They destroyed Morita, making him annoying more then funny. I actually feel like slapping Morita while watching the movie. hahahaha. Oh my.
The only person that looks alike is Hagu and she's so sweet there. I would fall in love with her too.

Cezario: I always believe that Mayama only like Yamada as a friend so that's why he didn't do anything while he's so damn scary stalking Rika.

I understand that spiritual connection between Morita and Hagu. No one ever can replace that even they ended up with someone else. I was an artist myself so I know how special you will feel when you get to meet another extremely talented person that can made you feel connected to him/her just a look at his/her work. But then again, being artist can be too idealistic so I found Hagu being with Takemoto is actually better.
I think H&C talks about artist's minds really well.

laurie b. :welcome!!! Please enjoy your stay here! I read your entry and it is too fantastic. I also love your fanfiction. Plums, Rukia, Plums...hehe

Cezaria

11-15-2007, 03:09 PM

Takemoto's teachers hailing him as the "King of Adolescence" XDDD

Oooooh pretty tickets! >< Takemoto looks so serious haha.

Yes, Mayama was treating Yamada more like a little sister. He wants to tell her he doesn't feel for her in that way, but he wants to let her down gently, I guess that's where the problem lies. Mayama tries too hard to please everyone :/

I was a bit annoyed at him being all protective of Yamada when Nomiya tried to get close to her. But they addressed that issue in the anime.

I agree he's scary stalking Rika >_>;

laurie b.

11-15-2007, 04:08 PM

Thanks for the warm welcome everyone :D

Ohh, those tickets are really cute. I haven't seen those before. I don't like Takemoto's shirt, it looks like it belongs to...

...the other guy in Nomiya's office who looks good in loud clothes, the one who has an unrequited crush on Leader's owner :)

Sorry, wasn't sure if this is a spoiler. It's in season two.

I don't think anyone would deny that Mayama is a Super Stalker. In some countries you can go to court and get restaining orders against guys like that mwahahahaha.

I'm currently in the middle of reading the manga. I finished reading chapters 1-5 already. It's quite different from the anime, so far. It's got a more light-hearted feel to it. I'll comment more on that when I'm done :)

kaya

11-15-2007, 04:49 PM

yah. Takemoto looks very stoned in the picture.

I actually do prefer the manga more, especially the humors. I love how they goes crazy over meats in vol 1 which is not present in the anime. I really love how Chika Umino draws the characters. It is really very expressive.

Cezaria

11-15-2007, 04:52 PM

I should have to check out the manga then o.o

The one time I thought really highly of Mayama was when Yamada confessed to him while he was carrying her on his back.

"Mayama, I like you."
"Mm."
"Mayama, I like you."
"Mm."
"Mayama, I really like you."
"Mm."
"Mayama, I really really like you."
"Mm, thanks."

T____T I cried. It's the point where I really see why Yamada is in love with him. The guy can be so kind, almost too kind.

kaya

11-15-2007, 05:06 PM

Cezaria: Yes, the manga is really very excellent! You may not get used to the drawing style at first. I do, cos I find it too fluffy. I thought it's going to be another chessy shoujo manga but it's not. The drawing style is like a fairy tale and yet its plot is so real that it's like it is writing about my life.

I cried at that scene too. Mayama is really too nice in here. However sometimes i think, his kindness does hurt Yamada. Maybe if he's being brutal, Yamada can get over with him and maybe be happier...

laurie b.

11-16-2007, 01:28 AM

Yeah, the drawing style shocked me at first. I was used to the color palette of the anime, so seeing it in black and white, and kind of messy-doodle-y, it took me a chapter or two to get used to.

Incidentally, H&C is the first shoujo anime/manga I've encountered. I'm a shonen girl :) I like the fighting, heh.

Kaya, on H&C being like one's life... ack. I don't know how many people have said that! I have two friends who had the same reaction. I *absolutely* loved the scene in the anime where somebody in Mayama's office goes, "This is like watching the re-runs of my youth," and behind them flashes in big letters RE-RUNS OF MY YOUTH... oh my god. I was cringing so much at that scene, and then laughing, because that's exactly how I feel, too. There's not a point in my life when I wasn't acting like one of the characters. :eek:

kaya

11-16-2007, 06:09 AM

laurie b.: I really love the color palette of the Anime. It has watercolour feel. H&C is one of the most beautiful anime I saw.

Haha,really? H&C is your first shoujo manga?
That is so great cos I felt H&C made shoujo manga get noticed again as it won the manga award like Bleach does. I remembered the craze H&C creates in Japan. It's exactly like Bleach does for Japan. Everybody was reading and watching H&C at one point of time.
I am actually more a shounen girl too. I can't stand some of the fluffiness and romance in some shoujo. It puts me off as it is too unrealistic. Read too many crappy shoujo and you will not want to pick the genre up again.
I prefer seeing people killing each other and I am very very slow in shipping pairing. When I first read Bleach,I only start shipping pairing after SS arc. Very very slow...

For me, my 1st shoujo is Sailormoon. Hahaha. Very dreamy...I still love Sailormoon now.

H&C really hits me hard as I, myself is an artist and Yamada's situation is exactly like mine. I can also relate myself to Hagu as an artist.
I think that is one of the reason I like shoujo. They are like writing about your life. And I love how shoujo writes about relationships and emotions. I guess it's because girls are more sensitive in this area.

Hmm,if you would relate H&C characters to Bleach's, who will you thought as?
I don't know why I always see Aizen in Mayama. I guess it's because of the look...LOL.

Shannon

11-16-2007, 11:37 AM

Joinage, please? :wtf
I love H&C. And I want to see how the upcoming drama will be like, since I like Ikuta Toma. :)

kaya

11-16-2007, 01:02 PM

Shannon: Weee!~ Welcome,Shannon. You have to wait for Cezaria come and add you! Please enjoy your stay and have a lot of fun!

Cezaria

11-16-2007, 01:05 PM

Welcome Shannon~!

Zomg TV drama as well? H&C is a real craze in Japan XD

I'm not old enough to say "this is like watching re-runs of my youth" yet. But I can relate to a lot of what the characters say, plus I'm in university as well, I understand their pain when the final term assignments roll around XD

kaya

11-16-2007, 01:17 PM

oh yes,this is a very new news. People is going to be crazy over H&C again. YEAH!~ I hope they will choose an excellent cast.

Here's the news:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4996/ikutatomaxy1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/9807/narumirikond3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"15-year-old Riko Narumi will star in the live-action television drama adaptation of Chica Umino's Honey and Clover manga, which will premiere on January 8. Umino's manga about five teenagers' road to adulthood has sold 8.13 million copies. 23-year-old Tōma Ikuta (Hana Yori Dango 2's Junpei) of the Johnny's Jr. idol talent firm will play the art student Yuuta opposite Narumi, who will play the talented but shy Hagumi. The manga already inspired two anime series and a live-action movie, all of which Viz has licensed for North America. Honey and Clover is the latest shōjo manga to get a live-action series after a hit anime.'

Cezaria

11-16-2007, 02:57 PM

Oooh the guy who's going to play Takemoto is so cute ><!!

And Hagumi's actress is adorable as well. I also look forward to seeing Morita!

kaya

11-16-2007, 03:18 PM

Yes. I hope they choose a fantastic actor to act Morita. He don't need to be handsome, but at least he needs to have the charm and amazing acting skill. Ahhh, i really look forward to it!!!

laurie b.

11-17-2007, 01:04 AM

OMG this is it... I should be more careful for what I wish for, or else it might come true! :eek:

Live action TV series, huh? OMG. Why is Takemoto too good-looking?! I like the guy they got to play him in the film. He looked like a Takemoto. Dopey-cute. (Incidentally I claimed Takemoto *ages* ago, see my sig :D )

When I saw the post, my mind suddenly overflowed with very bad mental images that come with TV. I have suddenly very mixed feelings about this! They might play up the romance part more than than the art part, when both should have equal play in the narrative. Argh. I will just keep my fingers crossed they get it right!

@Kaya
On relating to H&C... oh hell yeah. Too much, in fact. I'm not a graphic artist, but all my interests are very artsy, and I think I've spent more time in museums and galleries than an other non-graphic artist I know.

Incidentally, I took up pottery because I was inspired by Yamada. MWAHAHAHAHA! I'm not kidding. I wish I could be as good as her, though. After my first time at the potter's wheel I was like, "whoa, damn that fictional chick, she's a genius at the wheel." Really, Yamada makes it look so easy when it isn't!

On Bleach characters being any similar to H&C, it's been said so often how Yamada looks like Orihime... I've said a lot on that before... but if it was more than physical looks, now I would go for Ukitake/Shuuji, for their similarity in being caring, paternal, mentoring types. Although I can't imagine Ukitake chain-smoking (or is this how he gets his cough? :P) or ...

...declaring that he's in love with... I don't know. Hagu doesn't have an equivalent in Bleach! Yuzu, perhaps? That's total CRACK! :eek:

Cezaria

11-17-2007, 04:57 AM

Nothing's crack in Bleach! Everything's canon!

I find that Yamada is like Orihime in respects not only limited to looks, in fact, I'm pretty sure Kubo based Orihime on Yamada >_>; But that's another story altogether.

I find that Hagu's more like Ururu <3 Now...Morita...there's a character who doesn't have a parallel in Bleach of any sort!

kaya

11-17-2007, 05:22 AM

laurie b.: Haha, it's coming true!!! If Bleach get live action drama, I will laugh to death. Okay, we already have Rock musical so it's possible.

I also agree that Takemoto is too good looking. I hope he acts well though. I actually think movie Takemoto isn't too suitable. I think he's too dopey. Haha, I only think Takemoto is shy, not dumb. Plus the movie actor, Sho Sakurai is actually a very very charming singer(Arashi's member), so when he got the role, i am really very surprised. He is more suitable acting cool-looking clever role.
I hope Hagu will be awesome. I really love the Hagu in the movie.

Wow, you are so cool. We should meet in real life, then we visit musuems and gallery tgt! I also want to take up pottery. I took up sculpting and it is so fun. Yamada is the top student there, so naturally, she made it look like pottery is very very easy.

I also agree that when I first saw Yamada, Orihime comes to my mind. I also believe that where he got Orihime's ideas from. Except that I felt that he didn't do a good job on Orihime. I really really love Yamada and even though she faces the exactly same problem as Orihime, I always feel that Yamada is braver. I really want to see a scene where Orihime confess, in front of him, not while he is sleeping. I would love to hear how he will answer. Big plot twist!

Ukitake as Shuuji. They look similar and are super caring people. It's really to meet such people like them in real life. haha, you never know. He smokes when we are not looking and Squard 13 are infamous for searching national best cigar! Tsktsktsk.

Characters like Hagu and Morita is really unique that are hard to another that are like them.

Shannon

11-17-2007, 06:07 AM

Live action TV series, huh? OMG. Why is Takemoto too good-looking?! I like the guy they got to play him in the film. He looked like a Takemoto. Dopey-cute.

You mean Arashi boy? xD
All I know about the cast is that Ikuta Toma is Takemoto. Although I like him, I don't know how this'll turn out, since I'm used to watching him be all... Morita-type ish. :o He played Nakatsu in HanaKimi live-action, so I dunno.
http://userpic.livejournal.com/66443779/13474011

...and Narumi Riko plays Hagu.
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/static/images/9/91/NarumiRiko.jpg

(I think I watch anime and dramas too much.)

Cezaria

11-17-2007, 07:21 AM

They're both cute so the looks department is okay in my books XD

I just started watching H&C2. OMG episode 3 OMG Nomiya going after Yamada like that *_* KYAAAAAAAA

*Enters*
*Holds hand*
*Falls onto sofa*
"I'll talk to you when I wake up."

KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA <333

*Rolls over and over on the floor*

NOMIYA AND YAMADA BANZAI!!!!

kaya

11-17-2007, 09:01 AM

Cezaria: Yah. Nomiya is extremely sweet to Yamada in S2. I think you will faint by the time you finished it.

Shannon: Yah, I also used to Ikuta Toma acting more like Morita. Hope he can act like dork. hahaha.

Cezaria

11-17-2007, 01:13 PM

I know nothing about drama actors since I don't watch that many drama in the first place...

But I'll definitely be looking out for this one! I'm happy that even with the series over, we'll still have something to talk about in this FC after the TV drama's out!

I bought volumes 1-6 of the manga on a whim today ^^ I'll have so much fun reading~

kaya

11-17-2007, 05:11 PM

Cezaria: Yeah. I can foresee V2 coming up!~ Weeeeeeee~
Haha, I remembered I borrowed vol 1 from a friend, then I read the rest on the net and the very next time, I bought the whole set back. *^_^*

Jasse

11-17-2007, 05:21 PM

I'll join the Fc Cezaria if you don't mind.:)

My favorite is Takemoto.

Followed by Yamada and Nomiya.

And that episode featuring Yamada and Nomiya in the 2nd season was a delight, I am glad you enjoyed it.:o

Cezaria

11-17-2007, 05:22 PM

Added, and welcome Jasse! Let's have fangirly squeals over Nomiya/Yamada <3 XD

I can't wait to see those two in the TV drama as well.

kaya

11-17-2007, 05:44 PM

Welcome, Jasse! Hope you enjoy your stay here!

I also can't wait to see who act Yamada and Nomiya.
I bet the drama will be very pretty since we get to see all the ferris-wheel(the ferris wheels featured in are all existed in Japan.)

rei_ai

11-21-2007, 01:39 AM

Finally decided to join :D One of the animes that really mad e me cry..so..

Joinage?? *puppy eyes*

Cezaria

11-21-2007, 09:01 AM

Welcome Rei_ai <3

Yes, it's one of the rare anime that could have me laughing my ass off, then two minutes later bawling pitifully. Hence I love it.

rei_ai

11-22-2007, 05:40 AM

thanks for the welcome :hug

H&C Live Action Drama:

OMG!! I can't wait to see Toma again. Although he'll act a depressing character :cry
It will air on january 8, 2008. It's my first time seeing Narumi Riko in a drama, but she's admittably pretty (and young). I want to see who'll act Morita. It seems he's out of character in the movie.

Just to say my favorite pairing in H&C: HaguxMorita!! :yell

Shannon

11-22-2007, 08:14 AM

OMG!! I can't wait to see Toma again. Although he'll act a depressing character
It will air on january 8, 2008. It's my first time seeing Narumi Riko in a drama, but she's admittably pretty (and young). I want to see who'll act Morita. It seems he's out of character in the movie.

Just to say my favorite pairing in H&C: HaguxMorita!!

:yell FTW! Toma seems Morita-ish, I wonder why he didn't get that role. And Narumi's from 1 Litre of Tears, that drama that makes you burst into spontaneous tears(exaggerated).

Mm, but I liked the anime because for me, they really look like they're growing together.

laurie b.

11-22-2007, 02:54 PM

Oh... am I the only Hagu x Takemoto shipper here so far? *sweatdrop*

Heh. It's okay, really, if I'm in the minority. I know Morita is hot... but I prefer nice, domesticated men myself. *blushes* In real life, it's hard dealing with unpredictable men, no matter how exciting they are on paper.

*is shot by all the Morita fans* XD

I haven't been posting lately because I've beeen reading the manga. I'm on chapter 9 right now, and I'm about to run out of chapters because I've only been able to download up to chapter 12. Does anyone here have a link to a site that has all the chapters? So far, I've gone to two or three different sites and they only have downloads up to chapter 12. :(

Cezaria

11-22-2007, 03:13 PM

Ehhh sorry, can't help you there Laurie, since I buy my manga...It's a shame there's not enough scanlations and releases of good manga...

My favourite pairing is NomiyaxYamada, I like mature men :inlove

Even though I think MoritaxHagu looks good and feels good, it's probably not that good for Hagu. So I support TakemotoxHagu more. :3

Shannon

11-23-2007, 03:22 AM

Oh... am I the only Hagu x Takemoto shipper here so far? *sweatdrop*
I'm for either. xD
I think they're both good in their own ways. :wtf

rei_ai

11-23-2007, 04:34 AM

Even I thought Takemoto and Hagu are the canon, but I guess there's no canon in H&C ^_^. But when Morita showed up and expressed his interests, I already smelled that Hagu would fall for him. :D

Morita's my favorite character, even if he tends to do things in exaggeration most of the time. At the end of the anime, I'm happy that he hadn't really given up on Hagu.

About Toma's role:
Why does he have to take the broken-hearted roles??:cry

The last episode made me really cry, especially while Takemoto's saying this line (paraphrased) amidst crying and eating :cry

"Time passes by, and the day when everything becomes a memory will surely come. But that miraculous day when you and I, along with everyone else, searching for that one thing will continue to revolve in my heart - as my bittersweet memory"

Jasse

11-23-2007, 04:40 AM

As endearing as the relationship between Takemoto and Hagu is.
I am very glad that they didn't not up together in the romantic sense. but even ,they are not entertaining as Nomiya/Yamada.

About Morita and Hagu: I don't care about this couple. and to be honest,
I found it for the most part boring together except for that one kissing forehead scene.

Cezaria

11-23-2007, 02:04 PM

Nomiya and Yamada is my OTP in H&C. :inlove

I feel that Yamada's obsession with Mayama never took away from the charming relationship they (Nomiya/Yamada) have with each other. Actually, I think it serves to spice it up quite a bit. Nomiya is mature enough to endure Yamada's antics yet also firm enough to tell her that she should move on. I like that in a guy, and he's possessively protective of her as well~ :inlove

Jasse

11-23-2007, 02:27 PM

I agree with you Cez. Nomiya is both patient when needed and firm with Yamada when needed as well. Talk about maturity.
He knows how to handle her pretty well even in her most vulnerable state.
The guy truly loves her. Whats there to add, She's quite the lucky girl lol:o

rei_ai

11-25-2007, 08:08 AM

NomiyaxYamada:

Indeed, they'll be my 2nd pairing next to Hagu and Morita. I was rewatching the season 2 last night, coz I want to cry :rolleyes:, and I can say Nomiya is really the one who can look at Yamada with understanding. He follows and comforts her, but he needed not to push himself towards her. I guess that is a man's 'maturity' :)

RikaxMayama

When love became an obsession. Mayama used to scare me. Honestly. He's kinda selfish for his own good, but what is likeable in his character is his guts to fight for his *ahem* love.

Like what I said, I watch Honey and Clover whenever I want to cry. Call it a girl's weakness. I'm a sucker for thoughts and angst and H&C gives me that.

Now I can't wait for the drama. Real people acting is sometimes more convincing. Hopefully.

Cezaria

11-25-2007, 10:42 AM

I wish they had that final scene between Nomiya and Yamada in the anime...

What are you guys' favourite songs from H&C? There are lots :inlove

Mines are August Serenade, Ougon no Tsuki, and Split.

kaya

11-25-2007, 12:46 PM

Oh,Cezaria. Have you finished your H&C season 2?
Can't wait to see your comment and discuss Nomiya and Yamada with you!~

Oh gosh, H&C the anime has really good soundtrack. I never heard so many great songs in an anime before. I made me feel like I am watching more like a drama than an anime. The anime is so well done! I love Split, Dramatic and Ougon no Tsuki so much. I am trying to look for H&C OST right now!~

Welcome all new members!!!!!! More people to discuss H&C!
YEAH!

Oh, everyone should check this out!
http://paperkraft.blogspot.com/2007/08/honey-and-clover-papercraft.html
Little Hagu-chan! How cute! :D
I'm going to print it out and make it and hope to post my finished product here!

Cezaria

11-25-2007, 01:28 PM

Yes, kaya I've finished season 2~ I'm overwhelmed with the NomiYama goodness of it! Though there were certain scenes in the manga I would have like to be animated. I felt that they weren't wrapped up properly in the anime, at least not as well as in the manga...

In the manga, Yamada told Nomiya they should break up because she couldn't forget Mayama. Nomiya at first agreed immediately and Yamada burst into tears. Then Nomiya turned back and scolded her for bringing up such an idea. He told her that it doesn't matter, they don't have to break up if they can start from the beginning.

I thought the ending was awesome :wtf

Papercraft!Hagu!! Morita would get a kick out of that :D It's so adorable <333

kaya

11-25-2007, 01:48 PM

Yippee,Cezaria!!! Congrats!!
I also felt the anime didn't wrap up well. I guess they have to rush it. I also love Nomiya's understanding and unconditional love to Yamada. It is so touching...

ahaha, Morita will go nuts and made thousands of Papercraft!Hagu and Hagu in hamster version.

Cezaria

11-25-2007, 05:24 PM

Nomiya banzai!! Nomiya in suit of adolescence banzai!

I was actually shocked to learn that Nomiya is over 30... 10 year difference O_o... but I guess it's okay since he's so hot :inlove

rei_ai

11-26-2007, 01:18 AM

Nomiya is a likeable character for me in terms of his maturity. Just when I thought he's just a passing character..>_<. And yes, he's hot, although that 'hotness' didn't really attract yamada >_< Well, the same goes to Mayama who doesn't really see Yamada as a girlfriend material. Instances like that make me frustrated sometimes, but that kind of insight really happens in reality. :)

rei_ai

11-28-2007, 01:45 AM

I just checked out the new info about the drama:

Narimiya Hiroki will play Morita Shinobu. This guy is the one who acted as Nobu in Nana Movie, and he's one of the guy in Gokusen 1. I don't know what to say, although I guess I'm not disappointed. Seeing him act in Stand-up!! as a goofy, hopeless virgin, I hope he will give justice to Morita's character.

BTW, the one who will act Yamada is pretty :D Last seen her in HanaKimi as Nanba's ex-girlfriend.

Cezaria

11-28-2007, 04:34 AM

:O I don't know much about Dramas, are there pictures we can see?

I'm happy that Morita is going to be done by someone with actual experience...

*Goes to search up the dramas*

Marionette

11-28-2007, 06:37 AM

I loved it. Although I'd probably love it a lot more if Mayama's stalker/rapist actions weren't justified through a happy ending and Yamada just...didn't exist?

Ok, I like it that she's a good friend to Hagu and Morita, but by the second season I was already beyond caring about what would happen to her, since I consider her "love" for Mayama shallow and selfish (just for the record, I'm talking about Yamada here, not implying anything about Orihime).

I loved the other half of the series though. I loved Hagu and Morita (separate or together) and Shuu and Takemoto and the atmosphere of the story.

Favorite couple: Hagu/Morita hands down. I liked it that Takemoto can actually be considerate and habour unrequired feelings at the same time (which seems to be diffcult for most manga characters), but no, he is not the one for Hagu, at all. I even like Shuu/Hagu a lot more.
Narimiya Hiroki will play Morita Shinobu. This guy is the one who acted as Nobu in Nana Movie, and he's one of the guy in Gokusen 1. I don't know what to say, although I guess I'm not disappointed. Seeing him act in Stand-up!! as a goofy, hopeless virgin, I hope he will give justice to Morita's character.

Nobu...Morita...?! I don't know what to say.

I really liked the girl they got to play Hagu, though. She rocks.
I know! I never thought anyone could play Hagu in real life, but she ended up to be the highlight of the film.

The drama girl seems ok, but Yuu would be very diffcult to replace.

Cezaria

11-28-2007, 08:57 AM

Hello Marionette, would you like to join? XD

My absolute favourite character is Morita, because he's so random and funny yet makes a lot of sense when he shows a serious side. But still, I don't think he's very reliable. Therefore Hagu ending up with Shuu is probably the best ending for her. (Though I can't imagine a romantic relationship, he's her uncle!)

Yes, Mayama is a freakish stalker around Rika and his relationship with Yamada never went beyond friendship. But otherwise, I love his interactions with the other guys.

As for your comments on Yamada... of course it's frustrating that she's obsessed with Mayama (exactly like someone else we know... XD) But I love her relationship with Nomiya. Honey and Clover is a slice-of-life anime and the truth is that cases of unrequited love do happen. Unrequited love is a painful, frustrating, and often exasperated-groan-inducing ordeal to watch. Though I love how it was resolved in this case.

Jasse

11-28-2007, 09:16 AM

It seems,I am in the minority camp of those who did not enjoy the Hagu/Morita dynamic. I am glad Takemoto did not end up with her as well.

Shannon

11-28-2007, 09:54 AM

* Narumi Riko as Hanamoto Hagumi
* Ikuta Toma as Takemoto Yuta
* Narimiya Hiroki as Morita Shinobu
* Mukai Osamu as Mayama Takumi
* Harada Natsuki as Yamada Ayumi

Nyaaaa~n. Narimiya. He's been the stylish dude that falls head over heels with his teacher in Gokusen, the cool guy in Orange Days, the dorky virgin in Stand UP!!, and now Morita. Yaay. I hope he does well, because I liked him in all the dramas I've seen him in, and I don't wanna break the chain.

Here's a bunch of pictures, in case you want to know-- :o

Stand UP!!
http://bp0.blogger.com/_ZDp7eCVGLMk/Rv5E0U_rH0I/AAAAAAAAR8M/BI-sdl94h24/s400/33+Stand+Up+ep+1.jpg

Here's the dude when he was in Orange Days:
http://bp3.blogger.com/_ZDp7eCVGLMk/RvUMqk_q98I/AAAAAAAAQpU/coOnUqnKVXs/s400/40+orange+days+ep01.jpg

Marionette

11-29-2007, 04:11 AM

Sure I would like to join :)

The thing is, Yamada isn’t exactly like Orihime. It is arguable whether or not Orihime’s feelings are selfish or shallow, but Yamada’s just flat out is. We do know that Orihime cares to some degree about what happens to Ichigo as a person, but I don’t see that in Yamada. What she dwelled on for God know how many years was the fact that she couldn’t get him; what bothered her was simply “why can’t it be ME!!!!!” She said that she wishes that Rika and Mayama would just fall apart, even when she knows how much they need each other (the person she supposedly loved and a disabled, suicidal woman). I am by no means a Rika/Mayama fan, but I still think she’s too spoiled and selfish in this aspect.

Mayama...I'm guess ok with him as a character, but his actions toward Rika (not just the stalking, the putting an alarm on her bag, the taking advantage of her disability) is just way beyond creepy and definitely criminal. Even when I know that Rika is a special case it is still beyond disturbing – and what’s more disturbing is that he was “rewarded” for those crimes.

I guess I just don’t understand how unrequited love can excuse anything a character do. It’s not that a big of a deal, really, it isn’t.

The case with both of them is that their flaws bothers me to such a degree it over-shadows any good points they might have. It also took a lot of my enjoyment out of the series.

But thank God that this series have Morita, and Hagu (and Shuu and Takemoto and a lot of other things too). I should probably go to sleep now, but the next time I posts it will be about what I loved about H&C, now that I’m done bitching.

rei_ai

11-29-2007, 04:30 AM

Did I mention that Morita's my favorite character? I guess I just did :D

I thought I wouldn't really like him because of his reckless and most of the time selfish behavior towards his mates. but when I saw his angst and past, I began to like him more, On the contrary, he's not selfish at all. I maybe one of the people who misunderstood him in the beginning. There are times in the series that one would think Morita doesn't like what he's doing, but if he stops, no one will do it for his brother. I guess that's what made me like his character the more.

Perhaps that's also one of the reason why I liked him with hagu. For one thing, he tried to be selfish. But his nature understood Hagu's situation as well.

And Narimiya Hiroki's role: I liked him since Gokusen, and the way he talks can fit Morita's perfectly. I just noticed the pattern: He's Nobu in Nana and Gokusen and now he's Shinobu in H&C. Coincidence, I guess.

Well, the acting i'm looking forward to is Toma :D I liked the guy in HanaKimi. made me swoon several times just watching him. :love

Cezaria

11-29-2007, 04:30 AM

Welcome, Marionette ^^

I think your views are very insightful ^^ It's fine to dislike qualities such as obsession and selfishness in a person.

Selfish though Yamada is, I think she realises it but it's something beyond her control, as love always is. And I guess I sympathise with that. I think it was extremely honest of her to admit she wants them fall apart. But eehh, that's another issue, as the qualities I value in a person might be different from yours.

Mayama...well...I just like him being a motherly figure to Takemoto XDD

Morita still wins in any case <3 Loved him from his obnoxious entrance right down to angsty past.

rei_ai

11-29-2007, 05:51 AM

Mayama...well...I just like him being a motherly figure to Takemoto XDD

:D you got that right. Takemoto is someone who takes insights out of people. Though he's full of useful thoughts as well.

I like what he said to Hagu in the last episode of season 2 (on how Shuuji is also finding himself through Hagu). He can relate himself very well, since he's a person who has less motivation in life.

Just want to comment on Takemoto and Morita's *comical* fight in episode 11, I guess.
What Takemoto said, (he said that if he wants to lose something, he'd rather loss his compassion rather than talent and money) struck me somehow. Takemoto doesn't that have that much confidence in his self. He thinks he's not talented enough, he doesn't know where he's going, and worst he got broken-hearted.

Morita on the other hand might've think otherwise. Because he has the 'talent', his brother become envious of him. Perhaps not to make his brother far from him, he let his brother used him, and maybe because he also felt some guilt (of what, I do not know). Geez, he's one of the most interesting character I've met. And nope, he's not boring. Nor his love for Hagu.

Now I want to rewatch the whole series again. Which I will do, now. :)

laurie b.

11-29-2007, 12:40 PM

@rei_ai,

I totally LOVED the fight between Takemoto and Morita. It was inevitable they would come to blows, really, then tension between them was just brewing. Takemoto did take a lot of sh*t from Morita over the years, and not just over Hagu, either! It was either they exchanged a few manly punches or they er... go all yaoi.

Anyway, I loved the treatment in the anime, it was so funny. :) And I loved what Takemoto said about losing to compassion rather than money and talent. Yeah, it does show that Takemoto doesn't have much faith in his artistic skills, but it takes a lot of guts to say that out loud to your rival!

And it's a real big insult, if you think about it -- Takemoto's saying that all the money in the world will not buy back Hagu's wholeness again, only constant, selfless devotion will. And if there's anything that everyone can accuse Morita of, it's unreliability (he promises to say goodbye when he doesn't, he doesn't show up when he's expected, etc.)

I love Morita, he doesn't mince words, he's hot, and he does love his buddies (even if he shows it in the weirdest ways possible.) But sometimes he's just so infuriating... :rolleyes: he's like so many of my RL friends!

I was going to post this yesterday, but RL interfered, and then my original post disappeared, so I had to re-write the whole thing all over again. Argh. So here goes a slight Mayama-Rika rant:

Like Marionette, I have majorly mixed feelings toward Mayama as a character. On one hand he's a scary STALKER ARCHITECT, obssessive to the point of major sicko. The live-action film makes him uber creepy -- that wall of ziploc bags with stuff Rika touched/discarded just takes the cake!

Yet when I'm totally honest with myself, Mayama's incessant desire to protect and care for Rika, his self-sacrifice and puppy-dog persistence... well, these were traits my (dead) fiance had, so who am I to resort to name-calling when I've fallen in love with someone who had the same qualities?

A person traumatized by many things has difficulty NOT succumbing to that sort of total devotion. Usually the reasoning is, hey, this will not make for a healthy or a well-balanced relationship. I'm pretty sure this was Rika's thinking throughout the series, so she tried to push Mayama away. Perhaps that's why I can sympathize a lot with her, and admire her a bit for and holding out against Mayama for so long.

It would be so easy for her to give in right away, and let herself be taken cared of, but she doesn't. Unfortunately, she also tries to go the deep end, but Mayama of course could not allow this. So perhaps in the end they do deserve each other: he finds meaning in his life by taking care of her, and she finds a new lease in life by letting herself be taken cared of -- instead of the obvious choice, suicide.

What's interesting in this tangled situation is Shuuji's role in it all -- he introduced Mayama to Rika and he serves as the initial bridge for Mayama into Rika's past life. Shuuji's inability to push Rika off the roof and help her die, and yet his inability to truly help her recover from her husband's death... it's so complex I can't even begin to understand the dynamics. It should actually be a relief for Shuuji that Mayama and Rika get together, so he's free of that responsibility. Yet in another twist, he chooses to enter into a similar co-dependent relationship with Hagu at the end of the anime. Is Shuuji looking for redemption for having failed Rika? Argh.

The longer I ramble here, the more I realize there's something seriously wrong with some of the characters. :) (I guess something's wrong with me too, because I love them so much.)

Did I make any sense at all?

Okay, rant over.

I did a quick Google search for some H&C icons:
http://www.geocities.com/levon_r/honey.html

I like the one of Yamada throwing Morita over her shoulder. It's exactly perfect for the holiday season. :p

rei_ai

12-03-2007, 01:26 AM

To laurie:

That did make sense :) You see, Mayama freaked me out at the start of the series. He's so obsessive and it's creepy. What more of a real life stalker :D

And yes, I was rewatching the whole series. There's definitely something wrong with Mayama and Yamada. They're almost a reflection of each other, that's why they both can't give up to the things that may make them happy.

Shannon

12-06-2007, 01:13 PM

Hachikuro jdrama Takemoto and Hagu:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/marienella_m/Hachikuro2.jpg
And the main cast.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y189/marienella_m/hachikuro1.jpg

Yaaah. So, opinions, anyone?

Marionette

12-06-2007, 01:18 PM

I know that this girl is actually only 15, but she still looks a bit too mature here~Takemoto...is a lot different from the movie actor, hard to tell which one I likes more, I guess.

I really hope they actually portray Morita well this time.

Cezaria

12-06-2007, 01:32 PM

Oh, they are cute :inlove

I can't say anything for their acting ability now, but appearance-wise, I don't think I have any major complaints. Though Mayama's hairstyle is wrong, and the Morita person has a hamster smile.

Marionette

12-06-2007, 01:39 PM

Oh...Hagu looks cuter on the second one. Why do they always make Morita wear ugly, colorful cloth though? Through out the whole series he pretty much stuck with that one plain white shirt.

laurie b.

12-06-2007, 02:00 PM

Yeah, I agree, the guy playing Mayama has fluffy '80s hair. :P Teehee. And you're right, Morita looks like a hamster.

The guy set to play Takemoto is also not as geeky as the film Takemoto. I don't know if that's a good thing or not.

I just hope they can all act well! :) I can forget what they look like as long as they can act.

Incidentally I visited my friendly local DVD pirate yes we have those things in my city and she was *so* excited that H&C will get its own drama... the girls that run the store loved H&C film too. So they are definitely going to be watching out for this, too.

I also double-checked the H&C scanlations I've been reading, they were done by the group ShoujoMagic. Apparently they stopped translating H&C after chapter 12, that's why I can't find anything after that. :( I am not sure if they are the only scanlation group working on H&C, but I get that impression.

Anyway, this means I will have to wait for the official English translation by Tokyopop... and the only real news I can find about it is the annoucement regarding serialization (dated last June.) Have no idea if they actually got around to doing it. Hmph. Do you know of any other resources for the manga -- official or otherwise? I feel so Hagu-deprived.

*sweatdrop* Or should I start taking Japanese lessions? Jeez, I really suck at foreign languages...

Cezaria

12-06-2007, 02:05 PM

@Laurie: All I can do is kind of...summarize the chapters for you I guess D: Because I don't read scanlations of manga I can buy or borrow...
I think if the drama is sufficiently popular, it might make some groups pick up H&C, who knows.

Marionette

12-06-2007, 02:25 PM

@Laurie: Hagu-deprived XD that’s never good.

Is H & C licensed by TokyoPop? I thought it's by Viz since it's published in the Shojo Beat magazine right now (which means that the books will come out, but very slowly). I have a feeling that other fan-sub group should have done it too, because I've seen English-speaking fans comparing the anime and the manga (which could mean many things, but the possibility of its being translated in English could be one of them).

rei_ai

12-07-2007, 02:28 AM

about the cast:

tehee~~ Toma's hair is cute ^__^. I wonder if you guys watched HanaKimi and saw him act. His role might be really different from what he portrayed as Nakatsu. Nakatsu is overly genki with his identity crisis and Takemoto, well, let's just say he's more angsty and in love than genki.

And, yes, Hagu looks mature >__<. Although I guess I prefer that. It will depend on her acting.

I now remember the actor who'll act as Morita. If youw atched Nodame Cantabile Live, he's the playboy, smiley cello player Kikuchi ^__^. My impression of him then is that he's cool.

I admit I'll probably like more the casting of the drama than in the movie (still, there's Sakurai Sho of Arashi..). What I didn't like in the movie is how they portrayed Morita. Overly matured? serious character? That really misled me. However the one who acted as Yamada actually looks like..Yamada ^__^

Ha-un~~ Narimiya Hiroki~~hamster smile :D ~~ I like his sense of fashion since Gokusen :D. I hope he'll portray Morita well.

Can't wait for the drama (READ: J-drama addict :D)

Shannon

12-07-2007, 05:52 AM

laurie b.

12-08-2007, 03:08 AM

@Cezaria,

Thanks for the sweet offer, but I want to read more than summaries, and it might be a lot of trouble for you to do. I wouldn't want to waste your time, especially if you could be doing something else like squealing over other shoujo titles. :)

So you read it in Japanese? Ahh... I'm so envious of multilingual people. Sniff, sniff.

I will keep my fingers crossed... if the drama's coming out in January, maybe some groups will think of picking up the translation again!

@Marionette,

Yeah, I thought it was TokyoPop... I saw the post on the TokyoPop website. Maybe I'm confused. I will triple-check. :) If it's Viz that's doing the translation, I hope they don't f*ck it up again, like with some volumes of Bleach (ugh... the first volume actually refers at one point, to Tatsuki as a guy. ARGGGH!) I guess I need to go surfing some more for itty bitty translations at various blogs or something. :)

@rei_ai,

I was just talking to a friend yesterday about the nature of stalkers and it really reminded me of Mayama. She said, "Geeky stalker guys are so cute when you like them. But it's just so creepy when you don't." (She was speaking from experience... someone stalked for years, online and RL.)

This made me think of Mayama, because yeah, as a reader he really comes off as psycho sometimes, but when I'm not thinking too deeply about it, I can understand the attraction of such obssessive devotion as well. I love devoted, attentive men (H&C is full of devoted, attentive men.) I guess I'm pretty much torn over I hate him or love him for what he does! :confused:

rei_ai

12-08-2007, 12:09 PM

And was Kikuchi the dude with many girls? 0____o

Yes, he is :D Contrary to his role as Mayama who can't get the girl he loves :D jdrama addicts banzai!

Shannon: I know you love JE boys :D Just to let you know that Matsujun's my first love and I'm Yamapi's my first love :D And I can't ignore Toma >__<

The power of H&C to make me cry:

Angsty shows like this bring tears to my eyes. And it never fails! as I was rewatching the ending of season 1. I'm beginning to think like Takemoto since next year will be my graduation >__< Takemoto's thoughts of 'reality' makes me ponder about life a bit...

Anyway, I hope Toma will be able to portray Takemoto's role to capture people's heart like this.

CooWings

12-09-2007, 04:55 PM

God must really love me ( as of tonight ) for letting me stumble across this FC of this beautiful, tearful series. Please, I would very much like to join this FC. :)

laurie b.

12-10-2007, 01:39 AM

CooWings

12-10-2007, 03:22 AM

Here's an unofficial welcome, CooWings :D Glad you could join us in our safe little haven.

Here's a quick question: have any of you read any Bleach/H&C crossover fanfics? I was thinking of writing one in a couple of months, when I have the time, but right now I'd really like to see what you guys could recommend if there were any written prior to me. I know it's a nutty idea but hey if it fires the imagination, run with it right? :)
Thank you Laurie! :hug

I haven't read any of those, unfortunately. But yes, the idea sounds fantastic, as long as it adds oil to our wild imagination to run smoothly, why not? With that said, I'm sorry for not able to recommend any as I've yet to stumble across one. >__< ;;

Shannon

12-12-2007, 06:12 AM

Welcome CooWings! Btw, in case you're curious, here's the drama's trailer:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1625830FEkDmDag

CooWings

12-12-2007, 01:46 PM

Welcome CooWings! Btw, in case you're curious, here's the drama's trailer:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1625830FEkDmDag
Thank you Shannon! Ah, I shall watch that one gratefully. Thanks for sharing. :hug

rei_ai

12-14-2007, 04:16 AM

to laurie b.:
I haven't really read any fics about H&C, per se (only reading Bleach right now). Are you thinking of characters crossover, or story crossover? Well, H&C contains deep thoughts, and it's really shoujish. If ever you'll make one, then apply the story's mood according to the characters. You see, H&C and Bleach have a different 'mood' to me :D Well, good luck and make your idea appeal to the readers.

to shannon: Oh SOOO THANK u :D can't wait for it (had said this in the fc for the nth time. TOMAA!!)

Ametatsu

12-15-2007, 11:27 AM

Hiya, can I join?
I've not yet found the manga, but I love the anime series :)

CooWings

12-15-2007, 05:33 PM

Unofficial welcome, Ametatsu. :)
Here's glad to see more fans of this beautiful series. And like you, I've only seen the anime series for this story.

rei_ai

12-17-2007, 08:00 AM

Unofficial welcome as well, Ametatsu :D
I hope you participate as well, since, I guess, there will be more discussions as the live action series is approaching.

A question (or something to discuss) I hope Cezaria permits :D

Whose insight do you like most in H&C? I know there are many, but I guess you can choose something that moved you the most.

For me, it's
Morita's insight about talent.
Being a talented person, one can belong to a different world than anybody else. That's also I see as one of Hagu's angst. The second season focused in this aspect of human life, wherein anybody can be different and secluded in their own world. Because of talent, 'envy' is born. Morita, as well as Hagu, are different from the people around them, and make other people envious of them.

On the other hand, Kaoru, Negishi (Kaoru and Morita's uncle) and Takemoto wished they had more 'talent'. Somehow, they, Kaoru and Negishi, don't see their true potential and only compare themselves to the one closest to them and see them as objects of envy. But because of that 'angst', they tried to find something that 'only them can do'. By doing that, I guess, they can relieve off their enviousness and believe in their selves.
Watching that episode over and over again never failed to make me cry (I have angsts, too, I guess). I won't elaborate my past :p But people envying and praising you is not really something that can make you happy.

So what about your thoughts, people?

CooWings

12-17-2007, 06:24 PM

@ rei_ai : Very interesting discussion question you've brought up there. Putting aside my crazy fandom ( yes, I deeply love Morita-senpai but I shall not be biased right here ), I am very deeply moved by Morita's and Takemoto's insights. Both of them has made me question about my life, now and in the future a lot.

I put them under the tag spoiler, just in case : :)
Morita's most powerful insight, in my opinion ( while I may have forgotten other insights of his, so please forgive me ); is when he spends the night with Hagu alone in the hideout, the apartment that Kaoru and he 'runs' off to whenever things seemed to spin out of control. There, that moment never failed to give me goosebumps and make me teary-eyed. His talent was something to be extremely proud of, of course; but it is also the same reason why it is so very hard to understand him as an average person at the same time. For example, Takemoto has became possibly one of those people who have very close a chance to know him better; being that he shares an old house that they rent together. Yet, Takemoto was still unable to access what was it that was really bothering Morita. Just like you said, rei, his talent has shut the rest of the world outside ( not even his own circle of friends knows what he was going through ); and the only one who can probably see most of him is Hagu; who apparently shares the most similar thing between the two; that is their amazing talent. From what his childhood tells me, talent sometimes can be something very troublesome. People envy you, and this results of you being misunderstood most of the time. It's almost as if you've become some foreign language to them it's hard to make those around you understand you.

For Takemoto, his journey when he was at a loss really struck me. I guess it's because I'm pretty similar to his personality in terms of being not confident about myself and what I can actually do and what I want to do. I probably sound pessimistic, but there are times when I hit that 'lonely' stage. Being alone isn't as bad as being lonely. It's something that many people feared, but not many are exactly able to beat it. It happens yes, but how brave exactly are you to go through it without losing yourself? And also the question of what do you want to do; let it be about your life, someone significant or something, never bores me. Sometimes, I think going on a journey might actually help, just like what Takemoto did. After all, all our life long we are journeying to find out about ourselves. The problem is whether we could find it out on time before our own time runs out, or whether we'd be searching all our lives and come up with absolutely no answer at all, or we never set out to find out in the first place.

And I shall end my post now. I love H&C. It makes me think so much every time I watch it. It's definitely one of those great series that can actually provoke your mind. *nods*

rei_ai

12-18-2007, 02:04 AM

Well, said, CooWings :)

About Takemoto's 'journey':

He might've done it on a whim, since he didn't really know where his life is going. But then again, when I really thought he's 'self-searching', he kinda tested himself how he would feel leaving the people who cared for him behind. Seems unrealistic, for I, personally might not muster the courage to go anywhere. Or I might've find another reason for travelling. But it's just me, and he's Takemoto :headscratch I guess people who are not that talented, or atleast those that are not confident with their abilities, searched for something to do :D (gomen, Takemoto).

laurie b.

12-18-2007, 02:31 AM

It's hard to pinpoint what's my favorite insight from H&C is -- my favorite single scene, after all, is when the words "Re-runs from my youth" flash across the screen! -- but since we're talking about Takemoto's journey I'll ramble about that...

I loved Takemoto for doing that insane bike ride all over the country. When I was much younger I was like Takemoto in this respect, that's why I can relate this. I did something like that before, and it's utter insanity from everybody else's point of view, but for me, an absolute necessity. There's nothing quite as liberating as being a very small female in a strange place, no friends, and then finding oneself totally safe and capable of dealing with the situation.

Of course the insights gathered on every insane soul-searching trip doesn't always stick... that's why I love Shuuji, he's done the trip more times than anyone else!

One doesn't need to be totally talentless to go on a soul searching trip. All a person needs is utter confusion, a lack of goal, and the question: so what the hell do I do now? ;)

The best thing about Takemoto's trip is how he deflates its importance when his professors ask him how it went. WAAH! That moment was so real. He totally stripped the event of its romance.

CooWings

12-18-2007, 04:55 AM

@ rei_ai : Thank you, rei. :) I honestly just have the words flowing without much thought. H&C does that to me a lot. XD

Yes, he did that on the thought of testing himself by leaving all those he cares deeply about; other than seeing how far he, himself can move forward without turning back. I love how the story uses the 'sound' of a refrigerator as the sound of loneliness. Takemoto, being one who is not able to fully comprehend himself; was always forced to face that sound each time he opens his refrigerator. I think it makes sense that he went for a trip as a way to shut the sound forever for good; even though it appears as if he may be 'running' away from it. Unrealistic for most people, yes, but if I were in Takemoto's shoes; the thought of not knowing yourself generates a much bigger issue that perhaps, will haunt you forever. Thus the option for a trip. ( I seriously think I'll do something like what Takemoto did as I go through my years. XD; )

@ laurie : You actually did that, oh my, you are such a brave person! Yes, I agree, everybody have their own POVs, so one thing that can make you feel 'complete' might not work for other people.

Agreed, even people full with talent have their moments of confusion and the latter that you've stated; so it's not really because they're talentless; while this idea couldn't be denied all the same. Heck, I'm currently going through the three phases you stated up there! :yell

While I can't possibly go on a journey right now, I'll have to find other alternatives all the same. XD

Shannon

12-19-2007, 12:25 AM

I'm not one who posts long discussions, so I guess I'll just post this:

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1668147n7DQm4Cd
If anyone's gonna watch the drama. A longer CM of that one I posted before. (Toma looks young. *shock*)

rei_ai

12-19-2007, 04:12 AM

to shannon: Indeed he looks young compared when he was in HanaKimi (I have the same perception when I saw Yamapi in Proposal Daisakusen. He looked younger compared when he was in Kurosagi :D). Thanks for sharing. It's actually hard for me to search for videos of the drama since the ones that keep appearing is the movie version. Narumi Riko doesn't look like 15 >__<. But she's cute nonetheless *nods* (Morita hugged Hagu *shocked*)

On a thoughtful post:

I thought I wouldn't like H&C at all since it seemed to me that it's all about a lovesick Takemoto who keeps having an internal monologue on how he love Hagu.

That's why I thought that they'll eventually end up together. You see, the last episodes of the two season is about the two of them >__<.

But this is one anime that went beyond my expectations of 'pairing'. I also thought that Mayama would somehow return Yamada's feelings romantically.

Well, the angst the series showed is overwhelming. It showed some realities in life that made me reflect and go back to the series over and over again.

*anticipates the drama*

Shannon

12-31-2007, 06:21 AM

To bump up the Hachikuro love, here's the chart thing for the drama, because that's all I can add. D:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/yanie/HachiKuro/hc_chart.jpg

Eeeee, what happened to Narimiya's hair? D: I liked his Orange Days/ Ima ai ni yukimasu/ Gokusen hair.

rei_ai

01-02-2008, 05:48 AM

They have Romaiya-senpai on the chart (-_-)

Shannon: Uhm..maybe they're trying to get Morita's hair? O_o

Just a comment on the preview (too late?):

I wonder how the characters would be portrayed. Morita hugged Hagu and called her by her full name. Does that mean they're comfortable with each other?

Hagu also said in the preview that she liked Morita's work. Somehow, it doesn't fit on their relationship in the original story.

But nevertheless, I hope it will be interesting to see a different concept on how they see the love polygons, and let them ship MoritaxHagu :yell *pats Toma*

Marionette

01-03-2008, 09:35 PM

Still miss the movie Hagu, no offense to Narumi Riko. Hagu is what I want to be - not just because of her talent, but more because of her untainted love of art (and life); it more clear to me than ever right now.

I saw a notice that say March of the Lion is on hiatus again (Chika's current series) b/c the author is working on the drama; she also approves of Narumi Riko. I wonder how involved she is in the drama?

kaya

01-04-2008, 01:45 AM

:wtf

Ah?!
Chika is actually involved in the making of the drama?
If that's the case, I will definitely be able to look forward to the drama now!!!

Thank you so muchie for the infos, Shannon and Marionette.

rei_ai:
we always know that Morita is an extremely friendly person, so it won't be surprising that he went around hugging people, terrorizing them at the same time and actually preferring people by their "first name" upon first meeting. HAHA.
Morita is too damn cute~
:wtf

Talented people ,especially like Hagu, they always admire other talented people's works as well, because they feel connected, and this is one of the main factor she is attracted to Morita. It's just that she didn't say it out to him directly but from the way how she always look at him when he's doing his art, yes, she does like Morita's works.

On a thoughtful post:

I thought I wouldn't like H&C at all since it seemed to me that it's all about a lovesick Takemoto who keeps having an internal monologue on how he love Hagu.

That's why I thought that they'll eventually end up together. You see, the last episodes of the two season is about the two of them >__<.

But this is one anime that went beyond my expectations of 'pairing'. I also thought that Mayama would somehow return Yamada's feelings romantically.

Well, the angst the series showed is overwhelming. It showed some realities in life that made me reflect and go back to the series over and over again.

*anticipates the drama*

Yeah, you say out this point so well. :D
This is one of the reason I am so attracted and loved H&C. It totally deny the law of how romantic and love should work in shoujo. I am so impressed when nobody gets paired up cos it didn't become cliche and predictable, and actually brought us shocking pairing.:yell

Wow, I love that so much!

That is the reality of life.

We need more such works to stop more delusional fans shipping everything they think they like. I mean, it's not bad to ship crack pairing. It's kinda fun sometimes because I do ship crack pairing myeslf, but some people take it so seriously like it will beCANON!:yell, they need medical. HAHA:yell
They have lesser grasp and touch towards reality and thinks that anime and manga is the way life works and it is pretty scary, and sometimes, I am worried for their health and their social life.

Generally as a storyteller, I don't want people to become like that and that is definitely not a moral I wanna converse to readers, thus Chika gains my respect even more. :)

But nevertheless, I hope it will be interesting to see a different concept on how they see the love polygons, and let them ship MoritaxHagu :yell *pats Toma*
:yell *is a Takemoto x Hagu fan more*

HAHA.
Nevertheless, I rather they keep it open and leave us up to our interpretations for pairings!

That is the fun and one of the reason I love H&C!!!:)

Interpretations,interpretations,interpretations!!!
:yell

caffineluurve

01-04-2008, 03:49 AM

I would like to join this FC because Honey & Clover is probably one of my top 3 anime, EVAR! It was beautiful and unexpected, and it taught me alot of things about life and love. And I cried too many times to count.

And Morita is probably the crack-iest character that ever lived!! He was easily my most favourite character~ And I loved Takemoto too...and Hagu...and Yamada...and Mayama sometimes

In short, I love everything about this manga/anime....:D except Mayama...sometimes *shot*

CooWings

01-04-2008, 04:30 AM

Unofficial welcome to the FC, caffineluurve! :)

Yes, indeed. Morita is the one character that has possibly the highest level of crack infested within his body. He was the reason that I watched Honey & Clover actually. ;) ( Yes, I admit, I was a huge fangirl of Morita-sempai, and still am ) Then I started to fall in love with the series itself for it brings such reality in it. I became more attached to it because the series is easy to relate to and oh, the reflections of yourself that you can find in it! ( I certainly found some of mine. XD )

Yes, I get you. Mayama . . . is, um, Mayama. He's not exactly . . . appealing in terms of personalities. He's loyal and kind, yes, but to Yamada . . . *gets shot with a bazooka*

@ Shannon and rei_ai : Thank you for the info on the drama. *nods*

While I'm excited to see live-actions for this beautiful series, I'm afraid that I am pretty biased on an anime/manga series turned to life. I have this bad habit of not entirely willing to adapt to the live-action cast; if they do no match the ones in the manga/anime. *sigh* I was hoping for a slightly shorter female for Hagu' character . . . somehow. *gets thrown into the faraway sea*

Or you can say I'm helplessly picky. ^^ ;

rei_ai

01-04-2008, 08:47 AM

about Morita:

Yes, he's very cracky, and likes to give pain to people XD. Kleptomaniac, as well XD.

about Mayama:
was scared of him. But he's definitely the 'most generous' in the cast.

I hope the live action won't go beyond the characters' relationships >_<. That's why I'm kinda complaining how come Morita and Hagu seems close and comfortable in the preview. Hagu at the beginning, if you all know was sick of Morita (but grew to like him, nonetheless >_<), and the hugging-in-the-preview is somehow off-interaction.

In fairness to the upcoming drama, I like Narimiya Hiroki more as Morita (than who-was-it in the movie)

Speaking of dramas and live action:

Nodame Cantabile Live Action SP airs tonight in Japan :yell
More ChiakixNodame action in France. Oh.Tamaki.

CooWings: I'm very picky, too ;) You can say, I didn't like H&C movie that much (never watched it again, actually). That's why I'm looking forward how this drama will proceed :)

CooWings

01-05-2008, 02:28 PM

@ rei_ai : Ah. I see. :) I didn't watch the movie, mainly because the actor for Morita, doesn't exactly look like him. He's sort of too skinny for Morita's part. That's my personal opinion.

It's a good thing to have someone else for Morita then! *approves* I hope I could watch it somehow.

Nodame Cantabile live action dramas were good. The cast are awesome, and they match those of the characters well. I haven't watched the whole thing, but I know the cast are good. :D

YouTube keeps hosting France subbed NC with Japanese voices. Being that I don't understand either languages, I had to give up on watching it. :cry

caffineluurve

01-05-2008, 08:18 PM

Thank you for the welcomes, haha. :glomp

Thank you for the info on the drama as well; I heard a few snippets about it and I'd have to echo your sentiments CooWings, I'm a little wary of the drama. I'm one of those people who follow the first form of media religously, so It would be weird for me.

And lol, Hagu never looks right in the live action (and Morita didn't in the first but he looks okay in this one) and rei_ai, I haven't seen the preview but Moria and Hagu being cuddly-ish is a little daunting. If anything, Hagu was mostly scared of Morita (even though he had feelings for her~) and I hope they don't go above relationships that were established in the anime/manga.

As for Mayama, I don't hate him per se, but sometimes he freaked me out. Him and Rika's romance was touching and angsty but when he stalked her and stuff, that freaked me out. I thought the parallels between him and Yamada were really funny. And Yamada's troubles always made me sad. Mayama is a nice person, lol, he just has a few tendencies I don't encourage XD

I love Nodame Cantabile! I actually saw the live action first and then the anime, but both we're wonderful and I agree with you CooWings the cast fit so well with original characters. I have to find a way to watch NC too~ I can't understand Japanese or French (I actually forgot my french, I used to speak it when I was younger)!

Ametatsu

01-05-2008, 10:46 PM

Mayama freaked me out with his stalker-ness, and I really like Mayama (Mayama and Yamada tie for my favourite character). He is a really nice person, he just doesn't seem to know when he's getting scary :p

rei_ai

01-07-2008, 04:36 AM

The drama airs tomorrow night in Japan :yay I have my new jdrama to my obsession list

by Ametatsu
Mayama freaked me out with his stalker-ness, and I really like Mayama (Mayama and Yamada tie for my favourite character). He is a really nice person, he just doesn't seem to know when he's getting scary :p

He's the mother/father figure in the group, and yes, his good points include his mild temper :D No matter how many times his clothes get stolen by Morita, or get his room bombarded with men wanting to sleep there, he just let it pass and accept them (with little complain ;)). Like I said, he's the most generous, and don't mind spending some money to his friends (unlike some money pincher like Morita, and almost free-loader Takemoto :D)

off-topic:
Nodame Cantabile SP rocks!! CooWings, there are other streaming sites such as the crunchyroll and veoh.com. I know they have english-subbed NC there :)

CooWings

01-07-2008, 07:03 AM

@ rei_ai : So true about Mayama. Only in terms of pairing, I wouldn't really want him to end up with Yamada. That's only my personal preference. ;)

Crunchyroll . . . yeah, I should go there. Thanks rei_ai! :hug

Shannon

01-09-2008, 09:37 AM

Ametatsu

01-09-2008, 11:23 PM

Whee, I'm in the process of downloading the first episode of the drama *does the happy dance*
I don't actually know if this community is friendslocked or not, but if it isn't, here's the link for anyone who wants the downoad links: http://community.livejournal.com/jdramas/1915301.html?view=25626789#t25626789

furato

01-10-2008, 08:07 AM

Re: chart.... Is the glasses guy at bottom right Nomiya? He looks hot. O.o

rei_ai

01-10-2008, 08:42 AM

Hachikuro live:

I read the summary at Memento, and I can say the reviewer didn't like Narimiya's acting that much (just what Shannon had mentioned) T_T.

Well, maybe my high expectation of this drama is because of Toma. It seems he can carry whatever role, and according to the reviewer, he portrays Takemoto well (and I'm fangirling over him XD).

I'm still waiting for the streaming video, so I can watch it. I don't want to judge yet if ever Narimiya is OOC, but definitely, I like him more than the movie actor.

And yes, the live action series is better than the movie

Shannon: what picture are you trying to show? Well, it doesn't show...

NodamexChiaki forever!! ~ still has a hangover from the SP :crazy

Marionette

01-16-2008, 08:56 AM

I scanned over both episodes. Sign...I think they got a lot of the characters, and even worse - character dynamics wrong. The drama Hagu is a bit meek and cheeky and isn't afraid of Morita at all (I miss the movie Hagu! She wasn't the real Mouse Ichigo but I think she made more sense as her), Mayama is rude to Yamada, Yamada doesn't look like the pretty and popular girl (just awkward), and Morita...sign, I guess is not the actor's fault, because nobody seem to be able to play, write or dress him.

Ametatsu

01-16-2008, 04:50 PM

Mayama's characterizaton isn't just inconsistent with the manga/anime...it's messed up within the drama too - at the start of that first episode he's acting like a second Morita and then halfway through Takemoto says he acts like a cyborg...that does not match up

Marionette

01-18-2008, 05:00 AM

I just saw the movie again (the whole movie this time). I think I like it better now that I don't expect it to be exactly what the manga was. I got to say that even in the movie that Hagu and Morita is what got to me the most (separate or together). I like Yamada better in the movie...although both her and Mayama kicked up their creep factor a notch.

I feel that the drama is trying to imatate the movie instead of the original series :( (and Yuu is a better Hagu...yeah I have to say this in every post XP).

rei_ai

01-18-2008, 06:59 AM

As long as Toma portrays his character well, I have a reason to watch the live action :D (and I'll probably ship haguxtakemoto aka tomaxriko, lolz)

The first 2 episodes had a low rating (-_-), but that won't discourage me from watching the whole drama. Even if the interactions are quite OOC, esp. Morita-Hagu relationship :cry, I still have to see how the producers planned to develop the story.

Linabana

01-18-2008, 10:07 AM

I want to join please

rei_ai

01-19-2008, 05:40 AM

Welcome, Linabana :)

Hope you share some of your insights of the whole series, as well as the ongoing drama. You see, it wasn't received well by most viewers.

Enjoy 'insighting' :D

kaya

01-19-2008, 05:47 AM

Unofficial welcome, Linabana!!! :glomp
My another common friend I always see everywhere I go! XD

Yeah, the drama wasn't received well. I kinda expected it and I was utterly disappointed. Why can't they just follow the manga?! They rather have itchy butts to change the plot? instead
HAHA, now see!!! :yell

I will also continue watching the drama since it's still pretty entertaining! :uhuh

Linabana

01-19-2008, 05:53 AM

I didn't watch the drama. The actors in it all looked dull and looked nothing like the manga characters.

I only watched the anime for HnC. I liked season 1 better than season 2. Season 1 had more comedy in it and by season 2 most people went emo :P

kaya

01-19-2008, 06:01 AM

LOL, Linabana:glomp
Yeah, then I guess you won't want to watch the drama after watching the anime...
The anime is too supreme and it is definitely one of the my most favourite and well-made anime I watched of all times!

Yeah, I missed the good old times and the humor of season 1 that season 2 lacked.

I guess that's life and what H&C converses the best...
When we enjoyed ourselves, laughing whole-heartedly, we didn't know that was the thing called "happiness" until we started to miss it.

caffineluurve

01-20-2008, 01:35 AM

I don't like the drama all that much either, although it's nice to see that HC love still continues. And yah, kaya I agree! Why did they have to change a perfectly wonderful plot?

Nothing can rival the anime, it was full of win. MY favourite season was also season 1, it was funny and dramatic without it being overly so. AND HA, they did go emo. EVEN MORITA D:

Welcome Linabana :hug

Ametatsu

01-20-2008, 02:35 AM

I like the drama as long as I don't try and compare it to the anime :p If I pretend I don't know what it should be doing and isn't, it's pretty good.

I would just like to share a little H&C fangirl moment:
My family at the dinner table discussing Romeo and Juliet:
Sister - I like Benvolio, he's awesome, he's...
Me - yes, he's... *both try to think of concise character summary*
Me - HE'S TAKEMOTO!
Mum - *longsuffering sigh* Are you talking about anime again?
Other sister - Anyway, Mercutio...
Me and sister *look at each other and start laughing*
Sister - MORITA!

caffineluurve

01-22-2008, 05:11 AM

AWW, what an adorable story Ametatsu--I can't tell you how many times I've compared anime characters too...well, practically everything, but so true. I have to stop comparing the drama to the anime, even though I still get flashbacks. GRR.

CooWings

01-22-2008, 05:51 AM

Welcome to the FC, Linabana! :hug

I probably won't watch the drama, looking from what you guys have commented on it. It'll make me unsatisfied inside to see my favourite series heading a different way than the original plot. Yes, as much as I like changes, this isn't one of it. :cry

They should stick to the old plot in my opinion, and then focus to developing it. And Ametatsu, adorable story. :D

I guess I will have to do the same, caffineluurve, but I can't help it. :p
One thing I do agree is I like the actor in the drama series better than the one in the movie for Morita's part.

Now going off-topic, the only live action drama series that I like was GTO and Nodame Cantabile.

rei_ai

01-22-2008, 06:21 AM

Well, I won't persuade anyone to watch the drama if they don't like it :D
Like Ametatsu said, I probably like the series as long as I don't compare it with the anime. I'm a jdrama addict by nature after all.

You can say H&C is not well adapted since there are many parts in the original story that are altered. You can't probably compare those changes with the one that was done in Hana Kimi. But I guess, the drama wanted to be original, and wanted to show another development in the story. Since most of us were loyal to the anime, such changes doesn't make us happy.
But that was suppose to settle the difference of anime and live action media.

Still...nodame cantabile live is sooooo excellently made that I liked it more than the anime...

caffineluurve

01-23-2008, 08:35 PM

I know, it will be hard, but I shall fight through :yell Perhaps they're just changing the plot not to be redundant? If that's the case, I think they should realize that H&C is incapable of being boring. I love the plot to bits :love

Nodame Cantabile drama is absolute love, I watched it before the anime even came out and it's so well-acted and hilarious!

Linabana

01-24-2008, 01:12 AM

Has anyone watched the drama right from the Beginning to the end? Just wondering

Marionette

01-24-2008, 02:45 AM

There's only like three episodes of the drama out right now :)

kaya

01-24-2008, 06:44 AM

I agree wholeheartedly with Ametatsu and rei_ai .
As long as you don't compare the live drama with the manga and anime, as a whole, you will enjoy it. Personally, I love watching Jdrama too so yes, I still enjoy H&C drama! It is not well-adapted compared to other manga work though.

nodame cantabile live is LOVE

rei_ai

01-24-2008, 07:12 AM

Episode 2: Morita kissed Hagu :crazy

Yes, and it's on the lips and at the beach! Somehow the story gave emphasis on their bizarre love triangle. And yes, Takemoto saw it, just like in the movie >_<. Actually, Morita and Hagu's proximity is disturbing, but since I hate comparing it to the original story, I just brainwashed myself and think that it's another jdrama with Toma Ikuta as the lead.

Marionette

02-03-2008, 12:34 AM

Now there's the Chinese version (Taiwan)...I don't know what to think. The cast as a whole is more attractive (which Taiwanese dramas usually achieve, it's everything else about them that's messed up), but Hagu-chan! I can't believe that she look even less like Hagu than the J-drama version Hagu.

Oh well, at least at the direction they are going, there might be Korean, Hong Kong and Chinese mainland (or even Hollywood) versions in the future...actually, that might not be a good thing at all.

rei_ai

02-07-2008, 03:13 AM

I was surprised with that news as well. Taiwanese dramas really likes to adopt Japanese manga (no offense). I'm not really expecting it to be good, but, honestly, I don't patronize T-drama, especially if the story is imported from Japan. So far, I like Japanese adoptations of their manga best.

Mizu No Tenshi

02-26-2008, 05:34 AM

OMG!!! I finally found this!!! I want to join!! I love Honey and Clover! It has to be the funniest most romantic anime I've ever seen!!!

rei_ai

03-14-2008, 07:23 AM

It may be late, but welcome, Mizu No Tenshi :)

I agree that it's one of the best. It gave me a feeling of warmth and nostalgia :)

The drama will be ending soon, and its low ratings are saddening (I heard Toma's depressed because of this T_T)

C.LeShay

03-19-2008, 12:24 AM

C.LeShay

03-19-2008, 12:26 AM