Pierrot Censoring (poss. manga spoilers)

[Tomodachi69]

I had to rofl at Halibel's latest censoring, but really, for those who have read the manga, how do you think Pierrot's gonna handle HM?

Szayel's release, Noi/Tesla violence on Ichigo, Noi violence on chibis XD, intense sexual innuendo w/ Szayel, Loly/Menoly ... I forget anything?

I have a feeling that, regarding the last chapter where Tesla knocks Ichi around, we'll be seeing buckets of saliva again.

[Jhaxe]

I've wondered this from the moment this arc started...There's so much innuendo and reference in this arc it's almost unbelievable. I really hope they don't screw it up...but with the way this past ep was done...well...I'm not getting my hopes up....

[Tomodachi69]

Eh, honestly, I have little hopes for the Bleach anime, anymore. The quality the past 50 or so episodes (or rather, since SS) have been, IMHO, crap. Especially the last episode.

Which is a shame, really. If Bleach could be animated beautifully, then omfg, eyegasm haha. But really, to see Grimm vs. Ichi, Nnoi and his whole mess, Szayel and all his innuendo, even the Privaron fights in beautiful, flowing animation, with nonstop action when needed, it'd be heaven. Unfortunately, however, Pierrot fails not only to provide that but also... just fails.

Pierrot: "omg, underboobage, we must protect our children's minds!
oh, matsumoto cleavage? oh, that's fine. you're drawing it too small, make em bigger."

Hmm.

[Jhaxe]

Yes...I believe the most wonderfully animated Anime I've ever seen has to be Death Note...the animation is GORGEOUS....oh how I long for Bleach animation that rivals it...bah! Like that'll ever happen...but seriously...they need to step it up...Just because the ep has a few filler parts doesn't mean you need to make the ep entirely filler quality..I've been waiting for this ep for a LONG TIME...I expect it to be good...-sigh- Oh well...I just hope it gets at lest a LITTLE bit better...I mean come on...Noi is all triangular and Grim-chan's poor mask...and WTH is up with like the six different styles of Aizen O-o? Ah and that brings me to Szayel's face.... [/end rant]

Yah, I want better animation too...and the censoring need NOT be so extreme...I can see a little censoring here and there...but that addition to Halibel's outfit was pretty noticeable...

[Tomodachi69]

Rofl, I don't understand the censoring on Halibel. Ridiculous, I say, ridiculous. The buckets of saliva when Yammy was pounding on Ichigo, I can sorta understand. The addition to her outfit.. hmm.

Oh well.

[avidlinuxuser]

Actually, a lot of the censorship is from TV Tokyo's rules. Since Evangelion, TV Tokyo has been a little more conservative with the content of shounen anime show on the channel. More likely than not, there will be little censorship when the DVDs show up.

[tari101190]

i doub't they'll censor anything else really....they only censor actual nasty stuff. not inuendos...

the only other thing i can see them ever censoring would be pesch's thingy from the last chapter

[Rain]

I can really see them censoring blood and innuendo, and althought that really sucks (I want no censoring:yell) at least it isn't really affecting the plot. When they start censoring things that could be vital to the story ( maybe like szayel releases his sword or something) then I'll be super pissed:D

[Kolbertt]

On Innuendo's and sexual references

I'm sure Szayel's release will be censored -

In the manga, he seemed to be having an orgasm as he swallowed his sword, so maybe in the anime they will show us either a neutral faced Szayel, or show us Renji and Ishida while Szayel swallows his sword and we only see his shadow, or another crappy sfx, like when Tousen chopped off Grimm's arm.

As well as Nel...

Magically, the rag that covers her body will have stretching properties. As such, it will cover not only her breasts and hips, but also her whole legs and most of her arms, escentially, a really big rag bikini

On violence:
Bleach is a Shounen for god's sake!! they cannot censor the fighting and violence!! I can accept sexual censoring (to a while) but censoring a battle is just wrong in this genre.

[Velius]

If we are talking animation quality, KyoAni takes the grand prize. Their shows never fail. Bleach would have been a completely different show if done by them. It's a shame.

I agree with Tomodachi, that is that Pierrot has simply let me down one too many times, for me to care about censoring at this point. Blatantly, as much as it pains me to say, they have made the anime into complete crap, especially when compared to anything half way decent.

50% of the series is craptacular fillers, that put a shame to the Bleach story. The effect from so many scenes have been completely ruined. The animation has too many extremes of great and just plain horrible. And they won't stop using that God awful Bount music.

Pierrot has pushed me to the point, that from now on if anyone asks me about Bleach, I will be telling them to avoid the anime and just read the manga, for the full experience. Then, maybe, watch the anime, if you are bored or something.

Suffice it to say, I do not have high, if any, hopes for the future of the Bleach anime.

[Anakin]

I never got the big deal with showing part of the boobs it's not like you see her nipples or anything. Just a bit more skin, where's the prob? Its japanese for starters or maybe its only ok for them if its 7 year olds,.

[moonflowers]

^ You are partly right on the seven-year-olds thing. Bleach got moved to an earlier (read: kid-friendly) timeslot around when the Yammy-punching-Ichigo stuff happened, hence the mysteriously clear blood. :)

And, well, in the US, Bleach got stuck with a fairly late-night airing time, which means by US standards it is still too violent for little kids. Compared to the US, the Japanese standards are lax.

I highly doubt Pierrot gets to decide what should be censored and what should not, because so far the censorship has been pretty uneven - plenty of blood in the Soul Society arc, and then clear spit in Ep 114. They are probably forced to censor based on demands from political types and higher-ups. The ones to blame are more likely the prudish "Save the children!" types, not the studio itself.

[Shadoblak]

She looks ridiculous........I mean if you're gonna cover her boobs, extend the costume so the boob part looks like a short shirt or something....She looks like she has white lycra stretched under and taped to the bottom of her breasts.......And I mean Matsumoto shows as much chest a she he does...So...Wtf..:hm

[lala~]

well mayb japan decided to tighten up on the rating. i mean, asian rating is more lenient than north america. like that boob inflation thing in pokemon was censored out here but still used in japan. im pretty sure they won't censor out a lot of stuff... mayb the noitora violence on chibi nel but other than that, i doubt it. though i do predict buckets of 'saliva' flying out of ppl.

[Nessie]

I agree Halibel looked stupid and they shouldn't have done that but if its on a more kid friendly time what do you expect.

[Riekie]

It's aired at prime time right, so at 8 o'clock...hmm...

[Ogihci]

i wanted to see halibel's prizes T.T that disappointed me so much.

[Miyona]

lol everyone is mad at them censoring Hailbel? You guys want to see them THAT MUCH?

Its not that big of a deal

[Primera Espada]

It just seems rather excessive to censor undercleavage.

the same with soi fong's side-cleavage.

[Ogihci]

does Soi Fon actually HAVE cleavage!?

[Shadoblak]

lol everyone is mad at them censoring Hailbel? You guys want to see them THAT MUCH?

Its not that big of a deal

Yes yes we do...for a few reasons
1- They're boobs
2- They're part of her character design and even if they weren't huge boobs, the undercleavage adds to what makes hers a unique design
3- Its kinda silly to censor THAT when Matsumoto almost pops out of her top in every episode she's in
4- She looks kinda stupid now.
5- The animation has gone so downhill the LEAST you can give fans is genuine manga designs and a flash of boob...

[Primera Espada]

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/158/04/
Yes, she has clevage

[tari101190]

erm...halibel/yoruichi/soi fon all look better with their boobs covered up.
espeicaly halibel.

they looked rediculous all out and all over the place.

hmm...i just noticed they'll stiill be all over the place in the manga. no cesoring there.

[Miyona]

Yes yes we do...for a few reasons
1- They're boobs
2- They're part of her character design and even if they weren't huge boobs, the undercleavage adds to what makes hers a unique design
3- Its kinda silly to censor THAT when Matsumoto almost pops out of her top in every episode she's in
4- She looks kinda stupid now.
5- The animation has gone so downhill the LEAST you can give fans is genuine manga designs and a flash of boob...

Its nice that you gave 5 reasons, but I know you only care about the first one. :p

[Manna23]

I don't really see the point of the censoring, I've seen way more revealing clothes than what Halibel has. But I also don't see why it's such a big deal here. So she's been censored? Big deal, lots of anime characters have been censored, although I'm guessing most guys don't really care for it. Especially in this situation. :rolleyes:

[Shinrin]

heh, the Bleach anime rarely is on par with the manga and even more so in supassing it.

Many of pree SS arc episodes were Great and did the Manga justice even though there were some changes and censorship it was ok.
SS arc was acceptable, some really good parts some less good.
Most of what we've gained after the SS arc have been sad excuses for episodes.

Ep 118-119 were rare exsamples on how good they could still make the serie.


What annoy me more the the censorship & change in animation combined is...
"TIMING" especially after SS though the problem were there in SS aswell.
You need to build up a mood fitting for humor not hurry past it :-(
Like the Rangiku & Orihime scene i had a good laugh in the manga in the anime however... -_-

[Rain]

lol, all this thread is about right now is Halibel and her being censored:eek: (and I really like how most guys here are very upset about it :P)

Shadoblak- you're reasons are fantastic, and :lmao at #1- best reason ever.

The censoring bugs me somewhat, not just halibel being covered up, but just the overall feeling of the story being toned down, I have a feeling that after this filler arc that maybe less may get censored (they won't have to rush the chapters) but I'm probably just being overly optimistic

[ForteAnly]

When all the blood was being censored that did get me mad because Bleach always had a lot of blood. Nothing to me was more horrible than the censoring of Halibel's outfit. That's just like if they would censor Matsumoto's lovely outfit that would just a crime.:yell

[SiSL]

Censoring blood ... out of shoulders does not really make me sad or mad. Actually manga does not have overall blood other than shoulders and except a few "frames" in entire history of Bleach.

And as for Halibel, I think it is because anime is exported much more countries than manga do and shown on local tv's of these countries, so they have to act in line with "global" censoring mechanism, not just for Japanese audience or those who can handle it on "public tv". Your moral degrees and laws does not apply same on every culture or country, so you can't judge it "THAT simple" and ofcourse Parental Rating differs from country to country. You might say you are grown enough to handle all, but it is a public TV, everyone watching it, especially kids who are most interested in colorful cartoons.

So fine by me, I don't really masturbate looking at a pair of cartoon tits like some does obviously.

[earthforge]

SiSL: I must applaud you, since ou couldn't be more correct.

There is nothing wrong with censoring blood. If they have too much, then Bleach starts running head first into the Elfin Lied problem. The nudity was "unnecessary" and the sheer amount of blood was "disturbing", according to movie verdict.

Do you really want Bleach like that? It's a shounen, not a seinen.

[Shadoblak]

Censoring blood ... out of shoulders does not really make me sad or mad. Actually manga does not have overall blood other than shoulders and except a few "frames" in entire history of Bleach.

And as for Halibel, I think it is because anime is exported much more countries than manga do and shown on local tv's of these countries, so they have to act in line with "global" censoring mechanism, not just for Japanese audience or those who can handle it on "public tv". Your moral degrees and laws does not apply same on every culture or country, so you can't judge it "THAT simple" and ofcourse Parental Rating differs from country to country. You might say you are grown enough to handle all, but it is a public TV, everyone watching it, especially kids who are most interested in colorful cartoons.

So fine by me, I don't really masturbate looking at a pair of cartoon tits like some does obviously.

Its not about getting off on cartoons....Its about preserving artistic integrity. Censoring blood and boobs like it or not takes away from a true adaption of the original media....Its kinda like how they called onigiri donuts in the english dub of pokemon, then edited them out entirely and replaced them with sandwiches....Its nothing big, but its not right...

[SiSL]

Artistic Integrity?

Integrity of what? Tite's drawing of Chapter 12 is not in integrity with drawings of Chapter 60 nor Chapter 300, what are you talking about? Even manga changes integrity depending on mood of artist itself?

Don't like censor? Blame it on your president... or rating offices...

[Shadoblak]

Artistic Integrity?

Integrity of what? Tite's drawing of Chapter 12 is not in integrity with drawings of Chapter 60 nor Chapter 300, what are you talking about? Even manga changes integrity depending on mood of artist itself?

Don't like censor? Blame it on your president... or rating offices...

Yes. Artistic integrity. And chapter 12 is drawn better than chapter 300 and thats a problem. But the character's designs are still the same. Character designs give more personality to characters in a 2d world, Halibel had a personality before she even spoke...we based alot of that on her design....But if you don;t understand whatever

And why should I blame my president....They censored it in Japan....My country is the home of idiots big boobs and uncontrolled guns Don't you watch the news :rolleyes:

[earthforge]

What do boobs have to do with a chracterization?

It's just a physical characteristic that guys like to latch on to. It is the same for Halibel. What I could have saw from her design may have been that she was ashamed of her face. Or maybe for Yoruichi, before she was revealed as a woman, she would have been thought to be an intelligent strong man. Seriously, I don't think tits have to do with Halibel's style. It's beyond me why you think so.

On blood censoring: Do you want an Elfin Lied style Bleach? It's just a shounen....

[Sexta]

What do boobs have to do with a chracterization?

It's just a physical characteristic that guys like to latch on to.
Exactly! Show any guy irl a picture of Rangiku or Halibel and the first thing that will come to mind are the boobs.

Boobs ftw! :yell:yell

[ForteAnly]

What do boobs have to do with a chracterization?

It's just a physical characteristic that guys like to latch on to. It is the same for Halibel. What I could have saw from her design may have been that she was ashamed of her face. Or maybe for Yoruichi, before she was revealed as a woman, she would have been thought to be an intelligent strong man. Seriously, I don't think tits have to do with Halibel's style. It's beyond me why you think so.

On blood censoring: Do you want an Elfin Lied style Bleach? It's just a shounen....

No one here is saying that Bleach should be like Elfen Lied or any other type show with immense gore. All we want is to see what we see in the manga.

To SiSl

Masturbation, Blame our president what are talking about? We were only talking about some of the censorship that Bleach went through. In reality it's not really that much just little things that bother some of us. In the long run it's just some of our opinions towards the show. Nothing to get angry about.

[Agmaster]

Yawn, actually her persona pre speaking was alot like Ulqy's after speaking. None. Serious, stoic, loyal, why all this could be construed as robotic. So please, Shado. Tell me about her persona before she spoke. She stands with folded arms and sits in a very informal manner when not at the table. That's about the best you're going to get.

The irony of the matter is she seemed laid back until they were at the table, then she lost that. So aside from 'knowing her place' (which was shown after she spoke about it being acceptable to fear two huge reiatsu's clashing) she has no persona.

By hiding her mouth, Kubo pretty much marked her as 'mysterious' because her eyes are always lazy, but she showed that she wasn't that lazy when responding to Nnoitra. Ulq just kinda shrugged, accepting that it's pointless to try and change the guy's mind.

Oh and lol anime.

[Shadoblak]

What do boobs have to do with a chracterization?

It's just a physical characteristic that guys like to latch on to. It is the same for Halibel. What I could have saw from her design may have been that she was ashamed of her face. Or maybe for Yoruichi, before she was revealed as a woman, she would have been thought to be an intelligent strong man. Seriously, I don't think tits have to do with Halibel's style. It's beyond me why you think so.

On blood censoring: Do you want an Elfin Lied style Bleach? It's just a shounen....

Its not really even the boobs, but her clothes...Even if the boobs were small, the undercleavage is still a part of her design....And yeah, she probably isn't too fond of her face, I'm guessing she doesn't like how her mask sits.
I don't see why nobody understands......Her character design was compromised. each arrancar has custom clothing that adds to their character design...like Nnoitra the desert cobra...Now what if they edited out his spoon hood? Unnecessary right? Might not be that big a deal, but it would uspet you right? Its the same here, and I really wish people would stop making this solely about boobs.......I'm upset that her character design was changed for no reason and I'm also upset at how stupid it looks now.....

About the blood, theres not much to begin with, except for when Byakuya fights, thats just gratuitous....But other than that, again an unnecessary edit imo

[imamess]

Pierrot changed the color of Orihime's eyes from brown to that steely blue. Does it really make a difference? Not really. They trim down her proportions as well to make her look a little sleeker and not so curvy. Why do they do it? Dunno. Maybe for the same reason a dog licks its self: because it can.

They change and cut scenes all the time. Censoring a character's under-boob is the least of the problem.

Then again, I never cared for the under-boob. It throws proportion all out of whack.

[Tomodachi69]

Regarding the underboob, I don't care about the 'lack of sexual content' in Bleach because of it, it just irks me that they made her outfit so ugly (imo). And for something so little, it's just underboob, if they went out of their way to change Kubo's design like that, they really should have made Matsumoto's robe higher because she has lots of cleavage in the anime.

As for violence, there's not really much in Bleach to begin with, but when there is, like the Yammy fight, I thought it ridiculous to have Ichigo spewing buckets of saliva all over the place. If they were that concerned, they could have just omitted his bodily fluids altogether. For example, not completely showing Ichigo lopping Yammy's arm off was well done.

There really has not been anything too violent or gory in the chapters the anime is on, except maybe the upcoming

Slashing of Chad by Noitora or Ulquiorra impaling Ichigo. But those don't really seem to big of a deal and can be handled easily.

[Shadoblak]

Imamess:
I agree.....And Its not about liking something...I hate Szayel's nails but I'd be pissed if they changed it :p
Tomodachi:
Agreed again.....And also the whole ZOMGULQUIORRA'SHANDISINSIDEICHIGO'SCHEST!

[RyougaSaotome]

Hopefully the previous episodes are an indication of how blood and violence will be handled in upcoming episodes.

Fingers crossed.

[Tomodachi69]

We're slowing inching our way to Szayel Appro and his huge fight with Ishi/Renji.

Now that will be interesting, how Pierrot decides to handle that whole thing.

[cool_inuyasha_g]

I doubt they will keep the *th Espada's true face. They're probably change it into water slime or something. But they simply cannot change Syazel's sword, the whole thing is covered in blood, his sword makes people bloody, he makes his own people bloody. Good luck cutting that out and still keeping the sword.

[phantomfork]

Halibel's outfit was Quincified! Maybe it's easier to animate that way?

Grimmjow impaling luppi was understandable I guess, but still ended up being really lame. Wait, didn't they show Rukia getting impaled too? Oh yeah but there was almost no blood shown in that one.

I hope they can keep some of the other violent scenes without altering them too much.

[ForteAnly]

Halibel's outfit was Quincified! Maybe it's easier to animate that way?

Grimmjow impaling luppi was understandable I guess, but still ended up being really lame. Wait, didn't they show Rukia getting impaled too? Oh yeah but there was almost no blood shown in that one.

I hope they can keep some of the other violent scenes without altering them too much.

Rukia being impaled is coming up I wonder how they are going to animate that.

[cool_inuyasha_g]

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who released this riduclus censoring. To be honest I had no problem with Hailbel's censoring I prefered it. AS for the editting of blood and violence I HATE IT. I wondered so many times what they are going to do about Zael (Syazel Aporro) his sword has blood dripping from every...wing tip, his power to make your insides explode, he makes nemu fat and he ate that guy. Ulquiorra makes Ichigo so bloody, Zaraki rips appart Tesla (I think) Nnoita and Zaraki are in a bloodbath right now and although I can't remeber I'm certain Grimmjow and Ichigo had lots of blood too. The hard thing will be editting Syazel's fight, he does so many disturbing things that I just know they're going to ruin it. I can see them editting Neliel as well but I don't really care.

[Mad_Scientist]

Kind of late to the party here, but I figure I'll put in my view.

In general, I am not a huge fan of explicit violence or sexual content. Sometimes it seems a show or movie or whatever will put it in just the sake of such content, and to be "edgy" or to "push the envelope" or whatever, and that annoys me. I suppose at times, in order to properly convey a certain story or mood, a certain level of violence or other content is needed. But if ways to get around that are found, I generally don't have a problem with it.

And yet, I really don't like most of the censoring that has been done in Bleach. Odd, isn't it? It's not as if I want the show to turn into Elfen Lied, as was commented by someone earlier. But I think that's an irrelevent argument anyways, because even if the anime didn't cut out anything, the Bleach manga is nowhere near the level of Elfen Lied.

But one thing I hate is when the censoring is obvious, when it's clear that you're watching something that's been edited. I just find that to be somewhat glaring and distracting. If censoring is done smoothly, in a way where someone who had never seen the original work couldn't even tell something had been cut out, then I don't mind it nearly as much, or at all sometimes.

That's why I had no problem with the early editing in Bleach. I watched the anime before ever reading the manga, so I had no idea what the original work was like, and in the cases where the anime did tone down the violence, it did so well enough where I didn't notice anything. For example, I had no problems with Momo's stabbing in the anime, even though they didn't show as much as in the manga. I never read the manga, and didn't even guess that the scene originally showed a bit more.

But then, suddenly, the anime changes. While before there was tons of blood, now we get shots focusing on... spit? Even had I never seen a single episode of Bleach in my life, I would have guessed that there was some censoring involved upon seeing a big shot focusing on someone's spit flying through the air, but having seen the early episodes of Bleach, those scenes just looked absurd.

Also, as for Halibel, given what we've seen with Matsumoto, with her huge breasts and massive amount of exposed cleavage, and given the fact that the show has even joked about her breasts almost falling out of her clothes, it seems a bit weird to then censor Halibel.

Overall, all the censoring resulted in an extremely jarring effect. It was too obvious and intrusive. I don't expect the anime to be exactly like the manga, as it never was, and I wouldn't care if they simply reduced the amounts of blood from the early episodes a bit, but what they did went way to far and just looked bad.

That said, they seem to be imvroving. With Chad's wound they darkened the blood a bit, but that's fine with me. (In the manga everything is in black and white, so I'm used to seeing black blood anyways.) And they handled the death of the 9th Espada well I think.

[Soranushi]

Yeah they have been improving and made less edits then there was before the HM arc, and blood is supposed to be darker when released in that amount. Also the saliva thing makes some sense because it only should be blood if their Jaws were broken or if the had been punched in the stomach. But it should have been mixed with blood&saliva now Halibel's outfit might have been changed because like PhantomFork said, its easier to animate or maybe Kubo decided to change it in the anime or maybe it was simply edited.

[vaizado]

I just realized the current fight going on in the manga is going to have some serious censoring. They should've never changed BLEACH's timeslot.

[dramaelfie]

Has anyone else noticed that Pesche's loincloth is a lot skimpier in the anime than it is in the manga? I don't get how they can censor women's clothing but "uncensor" men's clothing.

[smacharia8]

lol as if the gayness of ichigo's current animated mask isn't enuff...they've now decided to make the characters bleed n spit oil...what a good job they're doin these days. :rolleyes:

n the awesome boobage we know today as halibel...along with good'ol yoruichi n her shunko release...those bastards are gonna pay one day...! :cry

[phantomfork]

Yeah, for all the censoring they've been doing, that one um, CLOSE UP of Peshe's loincloth when he was with Ishida and Cirucci was kinda O_O

[heofon]

lol everyone is mad at them censoring Hailbel? You guys want to see them THAT MUCH?

Its not that big of a deal

So what if the outrage is just about anime boobs? Dirty jokes and sexual innuendos are an integral part of the anime genre. Removing the sex and the gore makes anime into some sort of Captain Planet cartoon.

Plus, if somebody censored out the conspicuously undressed half of the time man eye-candy Renji, I’d get annoyed. And how about the clear bondage allusion of the Grimmjow-Orihime chains scene? (I’m guessing it wasn’t in your face enough to get completely censored, even if it got softened).

I like my anime with the sexual innuendo intact (however sexist), especially shounen anime. It’s like vodka in the school dance punch.

Same goes for the blood. Keep it coming. And undress Renji, for god’s sake.

[EX|pada #0]

The anime censure make me think that the Bleach anime is for "kids", and the manga is for "adults". How sad =\