Meaningless Violence

[Riekie]

Yes, you read it right, I am talking about meaningless violence which is coming more and more apparent these days, especially in my country.

Two days ago in Amsterdam- a 14-year old boy of Turkish descent stabs his fellow 16-year old classmate (Maroccan descent) in the neck and dies. <--all because of a pen.

Yesterday in Rotterdam- some girls seek out a fight with a mom and daughter and the mother storms out of the house and brings her knife. 2 injured.

A 20 year old man was killed by 2 men who attacked him in the garden of his parents.

2 groups attack eachother and one pulls out a gun, injuring two.

At school a 15 year old boy ALSO pulls a knife and stabs a student and the school's warden.
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Now, I know that I live in the most violent country in Europe, but this is just ridiculous, and I am not even talking about High School shootings in the U.S. like the one that occurd a few days ago.


What do you guys think the government or whatever should do to these happenings?

Discuss..away!

[Rain]

The only possible thing I think would actually help would be teahing children (in any/every country) that their actions have consequences. i'm sure that all these people are fully aware of what they're doing, but they may not be aware of what could happen as a result.

The government could try to get people to manage their anger better (but I doubt that would help) or the gov. could make carying/using a weapon even more illegal, but that probably won't stop fools from using them.

[emoloz]

These by far are the worst cases. It's just like a waste of someones life over something that isn't even significantly like linked to a trigger of extreme violence but now its becoming more popular so is becoming at the top of the scale. I think there are lots of factors which lead kids to do this though:

1. School Stress - Really its getting worse and worse by the year, my parents said they never ever felt stressed as much as i did when i went through school and stuff now. And all the pressure they put on you otherwise you can't get anywhere in life. No wonder kids are getting angry over silly things.

2. Parental Upbringing - I mean some children come from bad backgrounds where there always fighting and stuff which never helps so they immitate thir parents actions. Not good.

3. Displin - After my year i have seen this turn into a spiral of decline. Me when i was in the youngest year was scared to hell by the older students in my high school but now a younger one will stand up to someone older than them to prove themselves. They need displin to respect their elders like we used to.

I think the government should cut down the high levels of stress that students are under for a start with exams and possibly spread out them over a better time frame on not put so much pressure on children.

Have more help programs for parents who are going through stressful times because these don't help the kids.

Counselling for children programmes to help solve their problems possibly in educational time.

More disaplin by far. Coming down harder than the kids. Not explusion kids treat that as a fun day off. More like staying back a year and having them do work in holidays and stuff more than other students then if uncomplete after school classes to punish them. Kids hate lessons so use something to get them to be better by punishing with something they hate.

[Who]

Unnessecary violence is usually the result of experiences/upbringing of the person causing the violence. There isn't much we can do to completely get rid of it, but try to raise children and such in the best enviroments possible.

[stark espada]

I believe with all the violence going on right know that we or devolving not evolving because all the pointless and non logical fighting and deaths seem to be that of a Neanderthal not that of a smart being why because as of right know all fighting and all violence has no real point to it other then war if we continue in this fashion we will destroy or selfs.

[manfan]

These by far are the worst cases. It's just like a waste of someones life over something that isn't even significantly like linked to a trigger of extreme violence but now its becoming more popular so is becoming at the top of the scale. I think there are lots of factors which lead kids to do this though:

1. School Stress - Really its getting worse and worse by the year, my parents said they never ever felt stressed as much as i did when i went through school and stuff now. And all the pressure they put on you otherwise you can't get anywhere in life. No wonder kids are getting angry over silly things.

2. Parental Upbringing - I mean some children come from bad backgrounds where there always fighting and stuff which never helps so they immitate thir parents actions. Not good.

3. Displin - After my year i have seen this turn into a spiral of decline. Me when i was in the youngest year was scared to hell by the older students in my high school but now a younger one will stand up to someone older than them to prove themselves. They need displin to respect their elders like we used to.

I think the government should cut down the high levels of stress that students are under for a start with exams and possibly spread out them over a better time frame on not put so much pressure on children.

Have more help programs for parents who are going through stressful times because these don't help the kids.

Counselling for children programmes to help solve their problems possibly in educational time.

More disaplin by far. Coming down harder than the kids. Not explusion kids treat that as a fun day off. More like staying back a year and having them do work in holidays and stuff more than other students then if uncomplete after school classes to punish them. Kids hate lessons so use something to get them to be better by punishing with something they hate.

Personally....I don't think the problem 'meaningless violence' can just be solved just by educating / counselling. There are too many wrongs, injustice and grievences in this world that you just can't solve it via focusing on educating the students only. Other areas need to be ammended, like for instance.....

a) Economy; more and more people are living in smaller and compact houses, neighbourhoods especially the poor ones are lacking hygience and facilities. People no work and money resorting to crime and vice activities to support their own living.

b) Social system.....let's face it the world isn't really fair, there is racial and religion discrimination. Higher education institutions don't really run on academic merits system.....

c) Corruption and Greed, encompassing the two above. Leaders taking money from the people and pocketing into their own, leaving others to be more poorer. People are just thinking about money, than to actually help the needy.

d) Modern and available information/knowledge dissemination, ie Internet, Cable TV and radio.....people are being exposed to what others are doing etc.

e) Standard of morality......what is right & wrong for me, may not be necessarily right & wrong for you.

f) Individualism & Egoistic Pride.

[emoloz]

Of course there are other factors and sadly i really doubt that we can ever solve it unless the goverment itself ploughs its money into these areas and like you highlighted in bold Greed is a huge factor that comes into it. I was actualy thinking it from actually how the goverment would actually want to do it because of course we all know sadly the government doesn't want to solve any of these problems and just sweep them under the carpet.

The idea is you start of with minor methods of helping people and then once they begin to evolve then this is how they are solved. It happens all the time in goverment why do you think it takes so long? I know these are major problems but they won't change unless minor methods like i have stated are used to get it going.

[Ryuuko]

I was brought up with Violence (On my dads part) But I am not violent. Mainly because he was usually drunk so he got more violent than usual. Mind altering substances can make one irritable. I heard of a story of a man beating his wife just because she ordered out instead of cooking. IMO if theres violence in the home, kids should be taken out, they're easily influenced.

In my school last year, a kid was beaten just because he was gay. Thats meaningless to me since there was really no reason, being gay is not a reason people.

[manfan]

I was brought up with Violence (On my dads part) But I am not violent. Mainly because he was usually drunk so he got more violent than usual. Mind altering substances can make one irritable. I heard of a story of a man beating his wife just because she ordered out instead of cooking. IMO if theres violence in the home, kids should be taken out, they're easily influenced.

In my school last year, a kid was beaten just because he was gay. Thats meaningless to me since there was really no reason, being gay is not a reason people.

I'm sorry to hear that Ryuuko......abusive parent/family member isn't something that is fun.

I didn't include alcohol and drugs as part of the factors of abuses......although I wonder why people take drugs and alcohol.....I guess it's because it's another form of escapism, I suppose.


Of course there are other factors and sadly i really doubt that we can ever solve it unless the goverment itself ploughs its money into these areas and like you highlighted in bold Greed is a huge factor that comes into it. I was actualy thinking it from actually how the goverment would actually want to do it because of course we all know sadly the government doesn't want to solve any of these problems and just sweep them under the carpet.

The idea is you start of with minor methods of helping people and then once they begin to evolve then this is how they are solved. It happens all the time in goverment why do you think it takes so long? I know these are major problems but they won't change unless minor methods like i have stated are used to get it going.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not disapproving the methods mentioned.....I just think that the issue 'meaningless violence' is too big for a group (educators; parents / teachers / religious leaders/ doctors) to handle, it's like.....everything you mentioned is just 'superficial solutions'.....it's like water fall running on duck's back.

Teach the kids in school, for 10 years, on how a good man should live, friendly, polite and fair, discipline them.....five days in a week, but then in the radio, television, newspaper and Internet, people are being exposed with hate-incite, pull-down, raciscm elements, violence, terrorism, etc.....and let's not forget the copycats.....really, what's the point?

It's really a no win-win situation.

[Agmaster]

This lacks context. We only see the events you posted from the angle of some guy watching two people argue while he walks down the street. Without knowing about the people involved, I can't even begin to give this the time of day.

I agree meaningless violence does exist, and I'm sure the examples were just a launchpad to get discussion rolling, but my nitpicking senses refuse to accept it.

[manfan]

I'm going to say this.....there are so many people who are really sick, sick inside, people who are not able to other people's point of views, or refuse to see them as right; they think themselves are right. So they go out and fight with others who want to have nothing whatsoever thing to do with them....just because they think the others are oppressing them, hate them.

That is what I call 'meaningless violence', acting unruly, inconsiderate and harmful to the society, just because they think the whole world is against them.....therefore they have to strike first an attack before others do.

These people need to see shrinks(to help them with their wild imaginations)....either that, they need to be left with their kind in a lonely desserted island.....so that they can kill each other.:)

[Amatsu]

well, my opinion is either they have grown up around bad people, or they have some kind of imbalance mentally, and i know it may not help but they should do something about letting almost anyone getting there hands on guns and knives

[HaNa]

A good topic.. Unfortunately the violence became a common issue in the society these days.. I'll give my opinion of this matter, but I might be repeated some points because I didn't read all of the posts..

First of all I'll give the main reasons of it:-

1- the violence of media programs and its affects of the audience.. you notice how many violence films and cartoons are being shown..they gave teenagers and children aggressive ideas and behaviors about murders and crimes which can lead them to express it in the real life..

2- Indulgence and sparse punishment by giving the criminal few years to spend in the jail which can make him continues doing his crimes when he's out of the jail..

3- Religious role in ppl life.. Many religions prevent the violence behavior no matter what..so people who follow a specific religion perfectly, they'll avoid solving their problems by using the aggression behavior..

The solutions..

1-Government should be careful when starts displaying any programs and TV shows, which should be educated and shouldn't include violence.. it's their duty to provide a healthy environment for their people..

2-The punishment for the killer should be sentenced to death (many of you might be against it) so that other ppl will think thousands times before doing a crime..but the punishment for teens and children should be different..maybe put them under supervision till he/she becomes an adult..

3-Believing on religion can prevent you from aberrance and give you a better life..

They're what I learned from my life and of what I have seen and heard from news and studies of violence…so many of you might disagree with me..but that's fine coz I just want to express my ideas :)

[AnimeGirlPan]

Meaningless Violence happens alot in the usa too....for starters..I watched CNN alot for the past few months and heard killing after killing after killing..people killing others for meanless reasons...like even without a reason at all...people should realize that killing isn't the way to go..its even againist the LAW to kill people..I guess the government don't give a crap about it..cause they might be too scared to help any and also anyways...all these deaths could be stopped if somebody would do something about it.