[v4]IchiRuki FC: The Story of Destiny Begins

[HaNa]

I understand what're u saying lucia ^ ^ you are right about both kaien and ichigo viewed them as a friend only..even though I think (so stubborn) kaien had viewed rukia a bit different than how ichigo have viewed orihime :p..since rukia had a different/deeper relationship with kaien than orihime/ichigo ^ ^

but some people see they have a similar/exact relatioship somehow :confused:

[Lucia]

I understand what're u saying lucia ^ ^ you are right about both kaien and ichigo viewed them as a friend only..even though I think (so stubborn) kaien had viewed rukia a bit different than how ichigo have viewed orihime :p..since rukia had a different/deeper relationship with kaien than orihime/ichigo ^ ^

Oh, there's no denying that Kaien is closer to Rukia than Ichigo is to Orihime. Perhaps, the main parallel that Kubo is implying in this two relationships are centered only on Rukia & Orihime's one-sided affection for both guys who look eerily similar to each other physically. I think it's interesting that Kubo portrayed Kaien being married. Unless he deliberately put it there to suggest that, just like Rukia's feelings towards Kaien remain one-sided because he was already involved with someone else, Orihime's feelings for Ichigo will also remain one-sided because he already have feelings for Rukia (LOL, yeah I know. I'm biased :p) ....Afterall, Kubo does parallel both girls having one-sided feelings towards a guy who look similar to each other XD ...So why not..*shrug*

[Jaina]

I never really thought about why KT made Kaien a married character before. Hmm. It could have been just a whim...or not. I'm one of those people who does think Rukia's feelings for Kaien were partially romantic, though if he'd lived, I believe they would've eventually faded as she stopped needing him so badly. Just to speculate, it could be that Kaien being married makes his death, while still a tragic loss to Rukia, not a romantically tragic loss. He's not a lost love to her; even if he hadn't died, they were not going to be together. That pretty deftly removes romance as a major point of comparison between Kaien and Ichigo, because even if Rukia had some romantic feelings for Kaien, it really was not the same as what she could potentially have with Ichigo. It'd be that much more emotionally complex for her to have had a romantic relationship with both.

[wicked_liz]

I think I'm probably one of the few souls who doesn't believe that Rukia loved Kaien romantically. :p

Kubo shows tender emotions between members of the Gotei 13 and their leaders often. It's the type of love that borders on idolization. He was like the sun to Rukia, warm and nurturing; at a time in her life when she was very much alone, and had lost Renji.

Kaien and the 13th Division was the first real "home" Rukia had.

I think Miyako was part of that, because as a young woman she would have needed that person to want to emulate. Miyako was everything she wanted/hoped to be and the fact that she was married to Kaien (whom she loved so much) would have reinforced that.

While I think there are many parallels between Rukia and Inoue, especially in regards to Ichigo, I don't think this is one of them. They're completely different characters, and their roles in the manga are completely different.

Rukia's past is shown with such depth, because she is a main character. Not just because she happens to be Ichigo's "love interest".

[Spinel Sun]

I want to request joinage! I know, due to Rukia not being active recently at manga, lotsa people are giving upon this awesome couple! But I don't care lol! I know IchiRuki is canon :cool: so, will you let me join the party??

edit: some of you may hear me from BE lol I'm also a member of Rukia FC and IchiRuki FC there.

[intercostalspac]

speaking of Rukia and Kaien, do you think it'll be possible for Ulqui to show what he saw through AA's eyes -- he AA vs. Rukia fight? i was thinking that because Ichigo doesn't seem to know about kaien and Rukia isn't speaking about him at all.

I think Kaien was married to 'mark a big X' on romance or possible romance. Obviously Rukia has a crush on him (putty-in-his-hands scene) that I think faded as they spent time together. Like that last flashback of Rukia, seems to me she already got over her crush...

[Annie]

speaking of Rukia and Kaien, do you think it'll be possible for Ulqui to show what he saw through AA's eyes -- he AA vs. Rukia fight? i was thinking that because Ichigo doesn't seem to know about kaien and Rukia isn't speaking about him at all.

I doubt it. I don't see why Ulq would show Ichigo anything like that. He already told Ichigo about her condition. If someone will mention that fight, it would be Orihime.But so far Kubo makes sure that Orihime doesn't think of Rukia since she met Ichigo.

I think Kaien was married to 'mark a big X' on romance or possible romance. Obviously Rukia has a crush on him (putty-in-his-hands scene) that I think faded as they spent time together. Like that last flashback of Rukia, seems to me she already got over her crush...

Rukia's last flashback (chapter 268) came before Memories in the Rain flashback. Chapter 268 was the very early time, that's why Rukia didn't have a crush on Kaien yet. In that chapter, they were practicing sword fight and I assumed that Rukia didn't even know Shirayuki's name yet (she was thinking about how her sword skills weren't good enough to be in the division). But Memories in the Rain flashback was about Kaien's death. Which mean it was at the end of their time together. It was clear that she did developed some sort of feelings for Kaien. I think it was an innocent crush and Rukia was fine with her relationship with Kaien. He made her belonged; I would be surprise if she didn't fall for him.

And welcome to the FC, Spinel Sun ^^

[Syn]

First, welcome Spinel Sun and don't hesitate to participate! There are tons of goodies in the first post, so go and check it out :) we also have a graphics and fanarts share ongoing (check out the announcement). You're also asked to give your RECs on fics and AMVs (your top 10, without any particular order :)). The ones with the most recs will be tagged as recs. All of this ends by the end of this month :) (and, as a reminder, everyone is free to participate :p).

As for Rukia, I always felt she was in love with him. It's just how she first talk about him and then suddenly mentions that he's married. Why having him married? I think it's to show that their relationship definitely wasn't that way at all. It also gives her the pain and understanding of an unrequited love. But because it all turned this way (it was unrequited, which must have been painful on some level and she ended up killing him), she felt very self conscious about those feelings and decided that all they did was getting in the way of a shinigami. Hence why she pushed them aside (as shown when she was running away right before being caught by her brother and Renji).

I agree though that Kaien did give her this feeling of having a somewhere where she actually belonged; Ichigo did give her the very same feeling when she was in Karakura during the pre-SS arc. Kaien and Ichigo are very alike, yet the way she treats them AND they treat her is vastly different. You could see Kaien pitying this girl who was taken out forcefully from the academy and being singled out, doubting herself, her powers and being very lonely. She was a little kouhai to him and he did give her a special treatment (I don't think all the new shinigami can claim that they had a one on one training with the vice-captain...).
On the other hand, you have Ichigo who is Rukia's kouhai; there she is forced to teach him how to be a shinigami (roughly) and their relationship begins like this. It was forced, yet the more they learned about the other and saw how they truly were, the more they began to be drawn closer and closer. They were friends, rescuer and rescue (in both ways!), on equal foot, etc. It certainly outgrew the relationship she had with Kaien; so seeing her closing this painful past is really a good point. We can be sure she'll be more open about her feelings now.

As for those who think that Ichigo may be a replacement of Kaien; he's not. Yes, they *are* alike; no, Rukia doesn't make any connection nor compare the two. They are different persons in her mind and in her heart. The thing is, she's simply attracted to that kind of men (not the looks, but how they are inside).

[wicked_liz]

welcome Spinel Sun! (CCS FTW!)

I agree that Ichigo and Kaien share some similarities, and if Kubo ever gets us outta' HM we might find out how far those similarities go ;)

Since I'm alone in my belief that Rukia wasn't romantically inclined towards Kaien; I'll state my reason to why I think such. :D and because I'm bored T_T

When Rukia was awaiting her execution, when she goes into her "Night of the Wingeruit" (sp?) flashback - she starts by speaking as if to Kaien. The crux of her memory is the guilt she associates with the event, not for "killing a beloved" , but for "being afraid". She blamed herself for being a coward.

Later, when she was on the Souyoku stand and saying her goodbyes, her image of Kaien was of him in his friendly welcoming pose, when saying that she had led a good life, part of it was that he had "led her", she thanked him. Her voiced changed when talking about Ichigo, her final thought was of him.

Her reactions to the two were different. it could be argued that her 'feelings of love' may have since faded, but to me her feelings for Kaien seemed anything but diminished. Simply they were not romantic feelings to begin with.

I truly think that Ichigo was/is her first love. Which is why he gets a special classification in her memories. She also doesn't seem ready to admit her own feelings, which could be seen as a sign of someone who is not experienced with the emotion. Had she felt love for Kaien before, regardless if it was unrequited, it would at least give her some insight into her own emotion.

hmm? *waggles brows* what say you fellow ichirukiers?

[Jaina]

I still think there was a romantic aspect to Rukia's feelings for Kaien--like Syn mentioned, it seemed way too obvious that she's talking about how she feels when she's with Kaien and then suddenly mentions he was married. BUT I also think that romance was only one part of her emotions, mixed in with the far greater feelings of friendship and admiration. I believe Kaien stirred some more-than-friendly emotions in her, but those feelings weren't so all-encompassing as to define their relationship.

[Starwing]

Welcome new members!

@wicked_liz,

That's an interesting way to look at it...

I think I'm also alone in my thinking about Rukia's feelings for Kaien... No doubt, Rukia might've had feelings for Kaien regardless, but the set-up of the story made me interpret in a certain way. I always thought there was a large component of it stemming from her insecurities.
-The timing of Kaien's appearance was when Rukia was most abandoned, vulnerable and lonely.
-She seems to have formed a very dependent relationship with Kaien. She associated far more with Kaien and perhaps Miyako than anyone else in the squad. After Kaien and Miyako died, did she have other friends to fall back on? No. And dependency is one of the most TELLING signs of a relationship based on insecurities.
-Rukia's was strength in part because of Kaien's training. She overcame her insecurities in his presence, it's logical to assume that at least part of her affection for the man came from this.

So I think Ichigo is the first man Rukia loved for his own merits. In fact, Rukia would've tried hard NOT to love Ichigo, if she was influenced at all about her past with Kaien, or influenced by her insecurities.

So yeah, I'm probably the only one who thinks this, but given the situation in the manga, that's what I'm led to believe.

[Syn]

I agree that the romantic aspect was not the only one -nor, amazingly, the most important one. I think she copped with that fact; she happened to love a married man who didn't see her that way at all. It didn't change the fact that she admired him a lot, respected him a lot, was someone close to him, close enough to be considered as a little sister probably by him.

In favour of the love feelings, I have the two panels that will definitely mark those feelings as existing for me:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/th_manga-rainbleach-ch134-14.png (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/manga-rainbleach-ch134-14.png) http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/th_manga-rainbleach-ch136-02.png (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/manga-rainbleach-ch136-02.png)

In the first pic, she says how everything is right when she's with him... casts her look down with a sad face and then mentions that he has a wife. On the second pic, the hollow that possessed Kaien notices that she calls him and asks her if he's that special to her. Interesting, because I think it definitely hinted towards her crush/love for Kaien *always thought so, since the chapter was out XD*

What does this mean? I think that she has feelings for Ichigo and that she's aware of them. However, she does shut them down.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/th_Bleachv06ch052pg178.jpg (http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r83/Syneiam/Bleachv06ch052pg178.jpg)

Actually, she states that 'love', amongst other emotions, is a saddening emotion. Why think that love can be a saddening emotion? I think it's a mix: she already knows the pain of loving someone but not been loved that way in return; every time she loved, it ended up badly (I still think she had a crush on Renji, though nothing severe and that can pass as purely sibling love); and, on top of that, she knows that she has to leave Ichigo, at some point. So to me, it's a mix between the three. So she rather shut it down than being more open about it. Which results in her being the more difficult to read when it comes to emotion (and why I think this fight with Aaro will be able to open her more).

As for when she thanked everyone, Liz, I think that it has more to do with the fact that Kaien was still a sweet memory for her; I don't think that when you look back to your first (or second, depends XD) love, when you have feelings for someone else, you'll see him in the same light as you used to, no? ;)

[HaNa]

I agree with syn rukia definitely had a crush on kaien …despite the mixed feeling within it .. the obvious one was the affection feeling… and regardless of the fact that she was lonely and happened to see a man who took care of her .. His personality and loyalty to his comrades have touched her in a good way.. I think kaien treated rukia in a special way too like what syn said.. he said in ch 134 p 12 that he'll stand by her side as long as she's in his division (it can imply to many people) which touched her so much to a level that made kubo draws small two lines in her cheek to display her moving feeling for hearing that (I might be overanalyzing things..but it's rare to see kubo draws some lines in rukia's cheek ^O^) and not to mention how kiyone and sentarou teased her for falling in love with kaien ^ ^

http://aycu34.webshots.com/image/30313/2005218948534022982_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005218948534022982) http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/28698/2003072753936696992_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003072753936696992)

I believe kaien had stood many times by rukia side when she was troubled with kuchiki's issues.. because in ch 134 when captain ukitake tried to convince byakuya to save rukia .. He remembered that if kaien was alive he'll definitely stand against soul society and byakuya to save rukia which indicates that kaien had some prominent moments where he faced byakuya or helped rukia to erase her problems.. and why I think he has faced byakuya before or done something against kuchiki's family.. in ch 116 when byakuya heard shiba's name while he was fighting ganjou ..his determined has increased to defeat/ kill him by saying you are from shiba family ..then I'm sorry I didn't hit you enough..i'll make sure that you don't walk from this alive.. so scary ..byakuya has some hatred feeling toward shiba family for sure o_O

http://aycu29.webshots.com/image/30508/2002112238667291667_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002112238667291667) http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/29689/2002116289116912753_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002116289116912753) http://aycu36.webshots.com/image/28515/2002421302383951838_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002421302383951838)

Anyway..my point is that rukia has some sort of romantic feeling toward kaien (not sure if he was her first love since she has met renji before seeing him) maybe she didn't experience the true love yet..but she'll with ichigo in the future hopefully :p

edit: forget to add ukitake scene ^ ^''

[Orihime]

Um..we're supposed to post out top 10 favorite IchiRuki AMVs, right? If so, here they are:
Sun and Moon -ichigoxrukia- (Until the Day I Die)- ChappiRukia
She's So High *ichiruki*- ChappiRukia
Colors of the Heart -ichiruki- - ChappiRukia
ichiruki and narusaku -Over and Over- - ChappiRukia
Inside of You - ChappiRukia
ichigoxrukia-Breathe into me- -ChappiRukia
Goodnight and Go Chappy!! ichigoxrukia - ChappiRukia
ichiruki-My Name is LOVE- - ChappiRukia
Accidentally in Love (heart) - 1337Samurai
New Bleach Ending ~SPECIAL~ - spargo1

[Annie]

Off topic: Didn't chapter 268 title: You Shall Not Die comes from a poem who the author was in love with a married man? I remember we talked about it when the chapter came out.

Even if Rukia used to have feelings for Kaien. I'm sure she doesn't anymore. He still lives in her heart and that's enough for her. Now the person who Rukia has most feelings for is Ichigo. And I believe Ichigo is more special to Rukia now. He changed her world as well. He gave her a second chance when she met him. Isn't it amazing how Kubo makes Kaien and Ichigo as two people who make Rukia feel belonged and yet he never have Rukia sees them as the same person?

Neo said in the pairing thread and I completely agree that the resemblance between Ichigo and Kaien are the strong hint that Ichigo is Rukia's type. Which means she's likely to fall for Ichigo (if she hasn't already) in the future. This doesn't mean she sees them as the same person though.

@Orihime: Yep. And if you want, you can recommend your 10 favorite fanfics too ^^

[Marionette]

Dropping in and going off-topic like I usually do: I've be on somewhat of a renewed my Little Women craze (http://www.bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?t=2135)...well, more specifically, anger at Alcott for what she did with Jo and Laurie.

My point is: I guess sometimes authors do throw away gazillion chapters of development and completely destroy a ship; but, her consequence is that she's been dead for 100+ years but Jo/Laurie fans are still pissed at her for the ending till this day (from what I've read...fangirls these days can be just as lethal as they are today XD).

So let's just hope Alcott wrote that ending out of her dissatisfaction with society and her own life like some people say she did, and Kubo wouldn't do the same thing.

After all, Alcott cheated my wrath by dying 100 years before I was born, but I obviously can't say the same thing about Kubo ;)

[wicked_liz]

Oh thanx Annie! I completely forgot about that. But it's true.

With the page Syn reposted, when I saw such a bleak line "Kaien-dono had a wife." My first response was that she must have loved him too, but later on I felt that it fit the tone of the entire chapter; remorse tinged with regret. The loss of the "rightness" she felt at Kaien's side, the loss of Miyako which triggered everything else.

Her memories of that tragic time.

From a literary stand-point I can see argument for both, but it's interesting to see the different takes we all have on relationships.

@ Marionette - YES!! OMG! Little Women made me cry so many times! And Jo/Laurie was so WIN. And Alcott puts him with bratty Amy! I wonder if this is what the Harmonians felt when Harry ended up with Ginny? :headscratch

[eurys]

Wait? Do some people still doubt Rukia loved Kaien romantically (though she was wise enough to bury her feelings and to not act on them, since Kaien was already married and in love with a respectable woman she admired a lot)?
Oh well, I guess some readers are still unable to grasp Kubo's subtle exposition of Rukia's feelings.

But yeah, Rukia is also wise enough to know Ichigo and Kaien are different person, you just have to notice the way she treats them differently. There's a little part of me who cannot help but think that Ichigo is Rukia's second chance for finding love. With Kaien, she had to move on from her unrequited love (twice: because he was married, and because he was brutally killed). With Ichigo, she can finally discover that that feeling is not painful.

@Marionnette: I happen to like Laurie/Amy very much... IMO, Jo never really seemed in love with him. But Amy's character development in a wise and humble young woman affected Laurie's development. She didn't idealize him and didn't hesitate to scold him when he was a jerk.

[Ileenka]

But yeah, Rukia is also wise enough to know Ichigo and Kaien are different person, you just have to notice the way she treats them differently. There's a little part of me who cannot help but think that Ichigo is Rukia's second chance for finding love. With Kaien, she had to move on from her unrequited love (twice: because he was married, and because he was brutally killed). With Ichigo, she can finally discover that that feeling is not painful.

OMG!!! :wtf :wtf No truer words have ever been spoken!! Ichigo the prick is destined to be with Rukia after all. :crazy The prophecy rings true :cry The story of destiny begins :inlove And it will end with wedding bells swinging and ringing sweetly.

Ave Mariaaaaaa~~~~~

Sensei, you are so wise about love. :wtf :wtf Teach me. http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1259/tfr49b52ah3.gif

[MCRdeathGOD]

My AMV choices! (no particular order)
AMV done with ChappiRukia - My Mind's Eye (Yorleni)
AMV - Dejame Gritar/Let me scream (Yorleni)
AMV - Broken (Yorleni)
No More Sorrow (MCRdeathGOD)
A Little Too Good (Spargo)
Bleach AMV Parody - Rukia Won't Say She's in Love (Spargo)
IchiRuki-My Name Is LOVE (ChappiRukia)
Colors Of The Heart -IchiRuki (ChappiRukia)
IchigoXRukia-Breathe Into Me (ChappiRukia)
Goodnight And Go Chappy!! IchigoXRukia (ChappiRukia)

IchiRukiKai FTW!

[Syn]

@Orihime: ichiruki and narusaku -Over and Over- - ChappiRukia <--- this one is not in the front post, could you chose another one from there please? :) Elsewise, thank you for sharing!
MCR, thanks for sharing too, I'm going to add your recs :)

@Liz: that's the thing I think; Memories in the Rain part 2 was very angsty because she had to come back on Miyako and Kaien's tragic fate. But this page was still dedicated to the good moments she shared with Kaien :) I think that if you get the feeling of love in this panel, it's that it's meant to be here.

@eurys: I agree, it's about time that Rukia gets her love story working XD luckily, it's also a relationship that has a lot of facets and depth :inlove

About Kaien and Rukia; I think that he went against Byakuya who wanted to keep his sister away from the seated positions. He must have known the arrangement, since he was doing most of Ukitake's work; so when Rukia got Sodeno Shirayuki, I am sure he bragged out everywhere about how beautiful it was (ever wondered how come Sodeno is known for its beauty while most of the time, really, vice captains don't know what's the other vices' shikai look like?). And he must have gone to Byakuya to tell him that undoubtely, she deserved a seated position (since he must have known how unsettled it left Rukia to not be worthy -in her eyes- of the Kuchiki family). During Ichigo and Byakuya's fight, Byakuya also remembers Kaien getting mad at him; and I'm pratically sure that it's that, since Kaien was the one who helped Rukia a lot and witnessed her shikai -meaning in ch160something, Kubo already had this part of the story in his head, probably even earlier on).

But Ichigo went further and for that, he earned Byakuya's respect; he was the one who forced Byakuya to apologize to Rukia; he gave her that feeling of belonging (hell, he even thought that she belonged with him!) and normalcy that she yearned for. But he did more than that; thanks to him, her broken relationships with Renji and Byakuya were amended; he saved her against all the odds, listened her wishes and gave her what she wanted (despite the fact that it hurt him -that guy can't work well without Rukia around). He was able to do what Kaien couldn't -in a way because he wasn't married, but also because he survived (that night, against Grand Fisher). Not only he met Rukia's expectations, but always went past that (how to not fall for this kind of guy?).

Rukia's impact on Kaien's life was that of a little sister he had to take care of; he already had a wife who was the centre of his universe. But Ichigo's centre of the universe (his mum) was taken away (moreover, by his own fault). And Rukia took this place; when she was taken away by Byakuya and Renji, it was clear that, by intertwining her fate with his mum's fate, she became that centre. By saving her, he redeemed himself as well as he helped Rukia in many ways.

In the end, KaiRuki is bittersweet (and very one-sided), but IchiRuki is simply better, in my opinion, because their relationship has more intricacy.

[eave]

@Syn you said exactly what ive been trying to put together in my brain :nuts
NOW if all of what you said could even be comprehended by both Ichigo and Rukia within their hearts and realize that they are each other's soulmates. Dang it they just need to be locked in a room somewhere. They need/want each other so bad its going to make them burst. Anyhow if that can happen then we can get this train rolling....chug chug chug..choo choo.....:rotflmao

[rei_ai]

Before I post my rants, here are my 10 favorite fanfics (I remember the title, but not the author, sorry)

All are from FF.net. I like lurking. (in whatever order)

A Summer Job
Serendipity
Her Blindess (best Rukia angst! Love reading it over and over again :D)
Jealous thoughts
To the Wind (when will this continue?? don't know..)
Normality
While the blade rusts
Loves me not
The positive thinking test (I wish this will be updated soon..)
Before the rain

As for if Rukia was in love with Kaien, I'd say yes, no matter how anyone might view it - as brotherly love, comrade love or subordinate-vice captain kind of love. Like what was said before, Rukia long for affection and acceptance that she didn't felt even if she was accepted to the Kuchiki clan. Kaien just happened to be one person to give her that :D And I guess, any girl will fall, in one way or another, to guy who always looks after you (I'd do! Even if it'll be one-sided).

I used to read the line that 'in every love, there's a heart willing to receive it' and 'Love is always reciprocated'. In the former, Kaien might not be the one to reciprocate Rukia's feelings, so Ichigo is created :D. As for the latter, in one way or another, romantically or not, Kaien might'd reciprocated Rukia's feelings in his own way. Being together in his lifetime is one and leaving his heart to Rukia, when he died, is second (:cry:.

And, Eurys, yes! Ichigo might be is Rukia's second chance of love! He's not married, only stupid and reckless, so he needs more Rukia-beating.

Syn, you actually get what kind of man Kaien is :D That's why I'd say if I'm Rukia, it'll not be hard to fall in love even with a married man :D

[moonflowers]

@ Syn - Argh, right when you write something that awesome, I'm not allowed to rep you!! Great point on how the heck SS all know about Rukia's shikai. (She sure as heck is not the type of person to whip it out for show.)

I can totally see Rukia loving Kaien a little, even if she's accepted that it's hopeless for her to replace Miyako. It's kind of like a high-school teacher crush, if you know what I mean. Admiration + affection, but since there's no way anything can come of it, Rukia won't even try.

On the other hand, Ichigo is a real and total possibility. He understands and supports her like Kaien did, he's willing to fight for her like Renji eventually did, and he goes above and beyond what those two did for Rukia, without all the nasty side effects (lingering guilt, dying on her; savage attacks upon reunion after 40 yrs of the cold shoulder). Ichigo couldn't be more perfect for her if he was trying (and I think he is!!).

[Spinel Sun]

Off topic: Are we allowed to talk about reps?? Cos I want to thank people who repped me =) Thanks a lot ^^ that 's a good way to courage someone *dances around*

Well, I'm still confused about KaiRuki interaction... But somehow, I don't think Kaien was indifferent to her. He might have felt something about her too.. As a pure feeling of course :) no dirty-minded comments please XD Kaien is not low enough to betray his wife! But hey, you cannot stop your feelings when you meet an awesome person, eh?
Also, I must agree with you, Rukia got over her feelings for Kaien! Yeah, I think it has always been Ichigo from the moment she met our strawberry XD

note: I'm sorry for my grammar mistakes if I have made some! Please feel free to correct me with PM, thanks! :)

note(2): I hope it's also a post with enough quality to take place in this awesome FC =)

[wicked_liz]

Wait? Do some people still doubt Rukia loved Kaien romantically (though she was wise enough to bury her feelings and to not act on them, since Kaien was already married and in love with a respectable woman she admired a lot)?
Oh well, I guess some readers are still unable to grasp Kubo's subtle exposition of Rukia's feelings.



Well, just me :che (hi!)

At the risk of spamming the FC I say one last thing. (I swear!)

To me, if Rukia had loved Kaien in a romantic way, her reaction to his death would have been more traumatic (if one can imagine). While I see her withdrawing from everyone, and blaming herself, I don't see those as signs of a broken heart. I did not get a sense of her mourning a "lost love."

Also, when she was "reunited" with Kaien in HM, her reaction was to almost immediately fall into her previous behaviour. He was like the sun, she was so honestly happy to see him, there was no wistful romantic heart-ache going on. (at least to me)

While Kubo is subtle when illustrating romantic themes, he's anything but when it comes to unrequited love. Look at Inoue and Renji. If he intended for Rukia's love for Kaien to be taken as a unrequited romantic possibility, there's no need for it to be subtle. IMHO Kubo has also been downplaying anything that could be seen as vaguely romantic between Ichigo and Inoue in their interactions, yet he didn't downplay Rukia's interaction with Kaien - even when they were alone. He made sure they were seen as close, and that their bond was apparent.

Lastly; from just a personal opinion, I'm 26 and can say without a doubt - that even if it is unrequited, or even if the guy in question is Mr. Perfect, falling in love with a married man is not easy. It can be very damaging to one's psyche, there are so many things associated with it, especially guilt. I think Inoue shows this, and Ichigo isn't even married (but he is *taken*), but to want something and know that it can never be yours is to suffer.

In Asian cultures this is also a big deal I would imagine, perhaps more so than in Western cultures. While I would never think less of Rukia if I believed her to love/ or have loved Kaien, to me she has always seemed far too innocent and in many ways untouched and inexperienced, to have honestly gone thorough that. She does not exhibit the kind of personal maturity that I would expect from someone who had that experience.

@ Syn : Byakushi + Kaien = Sekrit BFF's <3 :love

btw, this is just meant to be a discussion of ideas, and me challenging the status quo. It's not meant to annoy or irritate - and if it does, tell me and I'll delete it (or the mods can) :hug

[alexie]

Oh, I want to enter my 10 fav FanFics. I don't know if we have to choose only from the first post:confused:, so I went ahead and put some first post and ones that are not there in case anyone wants to go and read them :)
Fics in the first post; fics not in the first post


*Her Blindness by Frosted Bug (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2227890/1/)
*The Positive Thinking Test by Frosted Bug (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2247376/1/)
*Out of Reach by Silver Matter (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3797691/1/Out_of_Reach)
*To The Wind by Advent Wing (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2784102/1/)
*Rukia: My Life as a Rabbit by mochi rabbit (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2849510/1/Rukia_My_Life_As_A_Rabbit)



*Freed by Syn (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3383180/1/Freed)
*Sinned Paths by Syn (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3777551/1/)
*Five Lives They Never Lived: 1 (http://green-amberjade.livejournal.com/22593.html#cutid1), 2 (http://green-amberjade.livejournal.com/23494.html#cutid1), 3 (http://green-amberjade.livejournal.com/26696.html#cutid1) by GreenAmber
*Epilogue by Brian1 (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2899978/1/Epilogue)
*The Island by Laurie Bunter (http://laurie-bunter.livejournal.com/7474.html#cutid1)

[cassoult]

Ah liz, I'll join you on the not-in-love-with-Kaien team. Well, sort of. Until 262 rolled around, I had no problem believing that Rukia had quite the crush on Kaien, but that chapter cast them in such a strong teacher-student light, something that the memories in the rain 2 arc didn't do, that I now see that as the defining element in their relationship. The way in which she expresses her guilt just seems to square better with having let down and harmed an adored mentor than with having lost a love. She might still have had a crush on him, but if so, I don't see it as more than puppy love.

And yes, for someone who is able to provoke such strong feelings in others, Rukia does seem somewhat emotionally unaware. I can't wait to see if her encounter with Aaroniero has started to change that.

And oh for some Byakuya/Kaien childhood rivals/friends backstory.

[Spinel Sun]

Ummm guyz, let's get back to IchiRuki topics lol.
I wanna punch Kubo Tite's face >.< what's taking him so long??? Enough fight!!! Enough is enough already! I don't want Bleach to become a meaningless fighting's comic!! Bleach has been a great shonen manga with a strong story! Every detail have been important and there have been many meaningful improvements (in characters, storyline etc...). And a lot of them have happened thanks to Rukia and IchiRuki pairing.
Our Ichigo needs Rukia a lot!!! He needs her as hell! Rukia is the person (not just the woman!) who can make Ichigo feel better, who can make Ichigo improve day by day and who can teach Ichigo to stay strong! Ichigo seems weak now and his power ups are reaching to him slower than usual. Why?? Cos Rukia is not around now. He got nearly all of his power ups thanks to Rukia!

I used to like KaiRuki but I gave up on them some time ago... I can say that I lost my interest too =(

Just wanted to write them since that I'm practically new =) A member has to explain his/her reasons to join tan FC, eh? ;)

I'm gonna post my top lists as soon as I view the whole awesome stuff in the first post wholly ^^ But the decisions will be hard for me ^^ there are a lot of awesome stuff O.O

[debbiechan]

The Rukia is in love with Kaien thing hit me like a ton of obvious bricks. That look right before she said he had a wife. Her acceptance of the situation is all the more admirable--a young, needy person like Rukia would fall in love with someone like Kaien, of course---but unlike with Orihime and her idolization of Ichigo, Rukia allowed her love to strengthen her.

I'd forgotten about shipping Laurie and Jo in LW. I remember being totally pleased with how the situation turned out with Amy and it seeming perfectly right that Jo got her Professor. The plot worked so well-- and Laurie's unrequietedness was only as frustrating as Orihime's currently is for me.

I trust Kubo. Louisa May Alcott was one of those authors I trusted instinctively too--I felt I was feeling what she wanted me to feel. Frustration for Laurie, a vague hope for Jo. I feel that now with Kubo.... but truly, IchiRuki is set up and destined and miraculously done the way only epic romances are. Funny, LW is not an epic romance but it had that "ring of sincerity" that echoes in Bleach for me with the love triangles.

[MCRdeathGOD]

Rukia being in love with Kaien but being happy and not jealous of his wife (infact Rukia idolised her) is something that Inoue should learn to do. Maybe in time Inoue will Idolise Rukia and not be Jealous. I hope to see a massive character development from Inoue, and i also hope that Rukia's fight with Aarorino will help her open up more to Ichigo and show him more of her feelings and emotions.

I want Rukia BACK! :yell: I'm dying from the lack of IchiRuki!

[Spinel Sun]

I want Rukia BACK! :yell: I'm dying from the lack of IchiRuki!

I share your emotions =/ I wanna see IchiRukiness too T_T Dammit Kubo, what's taking you so long??
Rukia have a bankai, kill Noi, grab a spoon then eat Ichigo XD

gomennasai for the short post, I had to write it ^^'

[Marionette]

@ Marionette - YES!! OMG! Little Women made me cry so many times! And Jo/Laurie was so WIN. And Alcott puts him with bratty Amy! I wonder if this is what the Harmonians felt when Harry ended up with Ginny? :headscratch
I'd forgotten about shipping Laurie and Jo in LW. I remember being totally pleased with how the situation turned out with Amy and it seeming perfectly right that Jo got her Professor. The plot worked so well-- and Laurie's unrequietedness was only as frustrating as Orihime's currently is for me.

I trust Kubo. Louisa May Alcott was one of those authors I trusted instinctively too--I felt I was feeling what she wanted me to feel. Frustration for Laurie, a vague hope for Jo. I feel that now with Kubo.... but truly, IchiRuki is set up and destined and miraculously done the way only epic romances are. Funny, LW is not an epic romance but it had that "ring of sincerity" that echoes in Bleach for me with the love triangles.

@Marionnette: I happen to like Laurie/Amy very much... IMO, Jo never really seemed in love with him. But Amy's character development in a wise and humble young woman affected Laurie's development. She didn't idealize him and didn't hesitate to scold him when he was a jerk.
Other half of my post (les related to IchiRuki?) would be here:http://www.bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?p=88813#post88813

The writer can write it anything they want, I just thought it was bad writing though. It’s like if Kubo continued on with Ichigo and Rukia’s chemistry and development for another 100+ chapters, but in the end had one or both of them say: “I don’t think I love you because we are from different worlds (which, by they way, might be a reason to not be with someone, but not to not love someone).”

I despised Laurie marrying Amy first and foremost because it happened to fast (both in pace of the book and in actual time in the story). There hasn’t been a sufficient relationship laid out throughout the book; and that’s one of the reasons I can’t stand Ginny and Harry although I don’t care for any opposing ships either – it just seemed like superficial attraction at best and had no real foundation of affection.

Which is also a reason why I’d have a hard time with any other Ichigo ships at this point (especially IchiOri; I would have liked IchiNel a lot better if it happened a lot earlier; I can be OK with a vague IchiTasuki ending under circumstances); even Rukia ships…ad much as I like to fantasize about them, I probably won’t be used to the idea of she actually getting together with anyone else at this point (I love ByaRuki…but for them to be married or actually involved? That’s like wrong on more than one level. I’m pretty over RenRuki at this point…and anyone else actually ending up with her? Really?).

[Syn]

@alexie: thanks for sharing but... XD If I added 'Epilogue' and '5 lives they never lived' in the front post, I can't fo that for the others; they are rated M/NC-17. Sinned Paths is the first one shot of a collection that will go beyond the T rating and Freed is already rated M :p Thus, I can't put them in the front post :) same for Laurie's fic, it's rated M so I can't put it in the front post :) And for those who follow it, be glad! Normality should be up very soon, as I began to write the last part already.

As for my fics RECs:
Fairytale (by me :p)
While the Blade Rusts by yum yum
My life as a Rabbit by mochi rabbit
Five Lives they never lived by Green Amber
Elopement by Green Amber
The Phantom of the Opera by YL
Dear Diary by YL
Revelations by missashlee28
To the Wind by Advent Wing
A Hundred Drops of Rain by Maiga Ryu (drabbles)

[kawaiiairbender]

I meant to post this long ago. ^^;; I never finished uploading pics but maybe I'll start agian.

My ichiruki gallery
http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t202/air-chan/BLEACH/ICHIRUKI/

[alexie]

@alexie: thanks for sharing but... XD If I added 'Epilogue' and '5 lives they never lived' in the front post, I can't fo that for the others; they are rated M/NC-17. Sinned Paths is the first one shot of a collection that will go beyond the T rating and Freed is already rated M :p Thus, I can't put them in the front post :) same for Laurie's fic, it's rated M so I can't put it in the front post :) And for those who follow it, be glad! Normality should be up very soon, as I began to write the last part already.



:ohh Oh, I forgot about that detail no wonder they are not on the first post:che. Sorry about that Syn, but, yeah, if anyone wants to read them, there they are. :D
Normality update :crazy

To echo the cries of many: :yellI WANT RUKIA (WITH ICHIGO)!:yell

[Syn]

kawaiiairbender: thank you! Adding the link in the front post :glomp and there are the credits too :yay you did an excellent job ^^

Alexie, don't forget to complete your list of recs, alright? XD And yeah, for the fics, don't forget that I can't put the mature ones in the front post XD so no rec for those XD

[alexie]

Alexie, don't forget to complete your list of recs, alright? XD And yeah, for the fics, don't forget that I can't put the mature ones in the front post XD so no rec for those XD

:D Thanks.
My last RECs are:
*Dear Diary by YL
*A Hundred Drops of Rain by Maiga Ryu
*Elopment by GreenAmber

My computer is really slow, so I'll have to go to the library to see AMVs and vote for them b/c I can't remember the names of the ones I like:o.

[HaNa]

I did another fanart of chibi ichiruki XD

Title: Nya pyon :p

Medium: pencil colors

http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/28511/2002530283247668266_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002530283247668266)

Thanx so much for the gallery kawaiiairbender they are so adorable >O<

[kawaiiairbender]

You're welcome Syn :) and thank you very much ^-^ I thought I might as well share.

@HaNa - your drawing is really cute

[HaNa]

Thanx kawaiiairbender ^_^ .. but I'm still unsatisfied with the background -_-'' I did another version but I didn't post it >_>

[Syn]

HaNa, that is so adorable! Thanks for sharing *___* *puts it in the first post XD*

@alexie: it's counted XD
Right now only a few threw in their RECs, so please don't hesitate to participate ^^ the more, the better :)

[rei_ai]

To kawaiiairbender: Ohh, thankies!! *hugs* such pretty fanarts.

As for another REC of fanfics, I forgot to add yesterday one fanfic that I love reading over and over again :D

Title: Revelations by?? (Ichigo's hormone in check. u gotta love that)

[Orihime]

@Syn: Oh, I'm so,so, sorry! =o I didn't know that! Here is the replacement:
Bleach AMV ~A Little Too Good~ -spargo1

[Lucia]

My Fanfic RECs....

Not on the list

Fireflies in the Garden (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3390491/1/Fireflies_in_the_Garden) by jazzjackrabbit
Dirty Dancing: Rukongai Nights (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3513004/1/Dirty_Dancing_Rukongai_Nights) by Queen of Juiceboxes
The Power Within (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3404518/1/The_Power_Within) by MitsukaiMizuno
Trip to the store (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3457279/1/Trip_to_the_store) by CrimsonKoneko
The Taming of the Shrew (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3007394/1/The_Taming_of_the_Shrew) by Ren is a bird
Time (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3538255/1/Time) by kouu hissori
Oh, HOLLOW Night (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2927420/1/Oh_HOLLOW_Night) by Majah
Leaving Town (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3491025/1/Leaving_Town) by LoverofLove
Keep Holding On (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3633450/1/Keep_Holding_On) (Sequel to Leaving Town) by LoverofLove
The Shopping Agenda (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3357921/1/The_Shopping_Agenda) by The Golden Koi

Enjoy! :)

@kawaiiairbender: Thanks for sharing the gallery link :) ...The fanarts are all beautiful :love

@HaNa: Your fanart was drawn really well. I love the vivid color and the cute costumes Ichigo & Rukia wore. They're so cute :inlove

[Syn]

Alright, Lucia, I added them, but please, try to not add 10 new fics each time you vote, or we won't see the end of it :p

@Orihime & rei_ai: note taken too! thank you :)

[Lucia]

@Syn: Oops, sorry about that :o ....I guess there's just too many wonderful IchiRuki fics out there, that I got carried away, and wanted to share them all here, lol :D

[Cookie-chan]

:nuts So many fanfics! So little time! (not that i mind though..) thanks guys. :D :hug

[Spinel Sun]

Ouch o.o how can I read all of them and deal with daily stuff at the same time?? T_T You're soo wonderful and talented guyz O.O Whoaa!
I'm watching all the latest IchiRuki moments in anime again and again... Like a million times... It's better than reading manga at keeping my IchiRuki happiness alive =D
Thanks a lot for being nice to me ^^ I cannot thank you enough for accepting me and repping me =D I hope I can be useful and deserve your kindness ^^

[MCRdeathGOD]

@Spinel Sun
Same here, i've been watching and reading the anime & manga over and over! i never get tired!!! i bet that i can quote all the wonderfull IchiRuki moments by heart!

Awesome FanFics, i have read so many! IchiRuki fans are extremly talented ^__^

[cris]

i LOVE fanfics, i have read now! thanks.

[MCRdeathGOD]

So....when do you think Rukia is going to make an apperance?

Many have guessed chapter 300...but i'm hoping that she will appear before that...300 just seems SOOOO far away...Now that Nell is busy with Nnoitora Ichigo & Inoue can make an exit...but i kinda doubt that Ichigo will want to leave Nell behind *sigh*

*sulks & goes off to read more IchiRuki Fanfics*

[Lucia]

My prediction for Rukia's re-appearance is either on chapter 296 or 300. I'm seriously getting annoyed at Kubo for giving her a 'vacation,' but I honestly expect that he has something up his sleeve concerning her, and he's just waiting for the right moment to finally show her again.

@MCRdeathGOD: From the ch294 spoiler, I doubt Ichigo & Orihime will be able to leave. Tesla is holding Orihime hostage again *slaps face,* and from the scans, it looks like he was threatening Ichigo not to interfere with the Nel vs Nnoitra fight, otherwise Orihime is toast XD

[MCRdeathGOD]

Great! i forgot about Tesla! *slaps forehead* How could I?

Tite really must have something up his sleeve otherwise he wouldn't have kept Rukia away for so long...the least that Tite could do for us is show some of Ichigo's concern for her well-being or SOMETHING! :yell

[eave]

In no particular order these are 10 fanfics that I've enjoyed as well ;) I have so many but these stand out for me :love
1.My Third Daughter's First Date (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3707440/3/My_Third_Daughters_First_Date)
2.Dirty Dancing Rukongai Nights (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3513004/1/Dirty_Dancing_Rukongai_Nights)
3.The Camping Trip (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3183011/1/The_Camping_Trip)
4.Kiss (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3729169/1/Kiss)
5.Boulevard of Broken Dreams (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3292766/1/ssoulevard_of_ssroken_Dreams)
6.The Shopping Agenda (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3357921/1/The_Shopping_Agenda)
7.The College Experience (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3557035/1/The_College_Experience)
8.A Summer Job (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2877431/1/)
9.Jealous Thoughts (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3787327/1/Jealous_Thoughts)
10.Normality (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2816169/1/Normality)

many of which im sure are listed already im not sure if any of my recommendations is not on there which i doubt, syn and the rest are soo thorough hehe. Havent had too much time to read lately -_- work.sleep.eat. think of bleach 24/7. wheee

p.s episode 143 yayayay Ishida and Kurosaki fathers! sigh never enuff screen time with those two -_-

[Jaina]

I've been thinking we'll see her in 300 for a while now, but I'm starting if we'll get her in 299 just because KT likes to mess with our expectations.

[Spinel Sun]

Seeing that we're in 293th chapter, we have only 6 more chapters for 300th =( I seriously doubt that KT wants to show Rukia at 300th now T_T cos all the fighting stuff is going full-speed! Some one, help me T_T *screams of being suffocated*

[alexie]

I for one want to remain positive and say we will see a glimpse of Rukia in the 300 chapter and go back to urg!! more fighting. Then again this is a shounen manga, huh.

[Syn]

@eave: thank you! I'll try to check the fics tomorrow, but I think there is one rated M that I can't put in the frontpost. Be careful with that please.
Speaking of fics that I like but can't rec because it's rated M, I liked this one (http://www.mediaminer.org/fanfic/view_ch.php?id=145513&cid=504523&submit=View). Be careful though, violence and adult themes :p

As for Rukia's coming back, it's still possible to see her by ch300. A lot can happen in 6 chapter, if the pace picks up a bit (it was awfully slow until the Nnoi/Nel fight, but it seems to fasten up a bit... just a bit though). If it fastens again, I can see Rukia back for the 300. Well, I hope so anyway :p I still have time to dream XD

[eave]

@eave: thank you! I'll try to check the fics tomorrow, but I think there is one rated M that I can't put in the frontpost. Be careful with that please.
Speaking of fics that I like but can't rec because it's rated M, I liked this one (http://www.mediaminer.org/fanfic/view_ch.php?id=145513&cid=504523&submit=View). Be careful though, violence and adult themes :p

As for Rukia's coming back, it's still possible to see her by ch300. A lot can happen in 6 chapter, if the pace picks up a bit (it was awfully slow until the Nnoi/Nel fight, but it seems to fasten up a bit... just a bit though). If it fastens again, I can see Rukia back for the 300. Well, I hope so anyway :p I still have time to dream XD

eep ya, thats true, i was just listing ones i liked ill remember that next time, im gettin really excited since that 300 mark is coming soon, i just hope there is at least a hint >_< i admit tho the last chapter was a nice insight to Nell's character. She really p-o them back then...cant get over a girl being that strong sheesh..

[rei_ai]

Hope that Kubo will get tired of drawing fight scenes and same characters in a chapter, over and over again. I'm getting tired of them.

Well, honestly, I just want to see Rukia :cry:

Gotta read more fanfics to satisfy my hunger and thirst for fluffs.

Just a question (or request if u want to call it): Anyone out there who got Love Drop scanlations? I visited the site, but unfortunately, my computer doesn't download Japanese text and I'm going crazy with all those boxes @.@
I checked the first post but there aren't any love drop direct download or scans. Will someone share it (or tell me how can i download it)?

BTW, RinRin House is the best, any new ichiruki doujin from them??

[AnimeFunFan1229]

Just a question (or request if u want to call it): Anyone out there who got Love Drop scanlations? I visited the site, but unfortunately, my computer doesn't download Japanese text and I'm going crazy with all those boxes @.@
I checked the first post but there aren't any love drop direct download or scans. Will someone share it (or tell me how can i download it)?

BTW, RinRin House is the best, any new ichiruki doujin from them??

Yeah my computer's the exact same way!
I hate not being able to download Japanese text, and all of those boxes look exactly the same how can anybody read that?!
Please can someone tell us how to download it please!
Also I'm completely going crazy without Rukia!I wish that they would show Ichigo is worrying about her right now and trying to get to her(which I haven't seen since right after the 3rd fight with Grimmjow, and that was like 15 chapters ago(can't remember exact chapter!)) And when they do show her better be GIANT Ichiruki scene!:inlove

[HaNa]

All of my love drop douijin sources came from my dear "ileenka" :hug I got them from her livejournal .. I'll try to upload them for you again if the internet connection helped me ^ ^''

[trunkschan90]

Just a question (or request if u want to call it): Anyone out there who got Love Drop scanlations? I visited the site, but unfortunately, my computer doesn't download Japanese text and I'm going crazy with all those boxes @.@
I checked the first post but there aren't any love drop direct download or scans. Will someone share it (or tell me how can i download it)?

BTW, RinRin House is the best, any new ichiruki doujin from them??

Hmmm...this site has a few IchiRuki scans, there is one by Love Drop
http://bleachparty.kefi.org/home.htm

and there's a Love Drop IchiRuki doujinshi link here http://yorleni.livejournal.com/22835.html (rated pg 13 X3 ) I wish they had a translation though, I really want to know what they're saying. We should have our own official IchiRuki doujinshi translator.

[Marionette]

Thanks trunkschan90!

Just scanned through 294 (yeah, before Rukia's back, that's the best I can do for Bleach). And I realized two things about myself: by now I think Kubo is purposely not having Ichigo giving Inoue more attention than he has to gave, because again, we see Orihime chasing after him but he didn't even bother turning around because he's attention is on Nell (his reaction to her being chocked again is pretty weak). Which bring me to my next point: he is paying Nell a significant amount of attention (she's fighting, but still)...and for some reason I'm OK with that for now. :o

[Cookie-chan]

^ yeah considering that some view it as an Ichihime chapter.. (sorry if this is off topic.. but i miss Rukia *damnit* and all this Ichigo, Orihime and Nell panels are eating me!!! .. and come on.. more fights?? thats just... ARGH!!!!)

[Marionette]

Some people would think any chapter with either Ichigo or Orihime in it is a IchiOri chapter XP

Just checking: we can talk about other Ichigo related pairings at least when we are talking about the new chapter that just came out right? It's going to affect IchiRuki after all (namely, IchiNell in the recent chapters).

[Annie]

Sure, as long as you have IchiRuki (and make it a main focus) in your post/discussion and don't bash the pairing. I don't think we can avoid discussing about it anyway.

[HaNa]

Here's some of love drop douijin that I have from ileenka

I uploaded them

Love lovers
http://www.mediafire.com/?2wdwwywztol

need u
http://www.mediafire.com/?69bswhyc96g

sukisu
http://www.mediafire.com/?47hx5dxylxb

hope that was helped ^ ^

[tofudtift1986]

Mad props for the doujin Hana :D

[Syn]

Alright, eave, everything was rated T so I could add all your RECs.

@HaNa: thank you for re-sharing those! Our new members will be able to dl them now ^^

@Cookie-chan: they really count this as an IchiOri chapter when Ichigo totally ignored Inoue? I don't see how good is that, really...

On a side note! Normality chapter 28: The one who figured: Hope (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2816169/28/) is up. :) Enjoy :)

[ChireMae]

@Syn and Cookie-chan, I think earlier pg2 was 'translated' as Tesla threatening Ichigo with harming Orihime should he intefere with the fight or the fact that he was holding her throat was preceive as a threat. But the latest translation clearly doesnt support -- it's all about Ichigo's concern about Nell and about him being too hurt to be of any help. Honestly I am begining to feel bad for the Ichi-Ori camp.

Anyway back at ukia fc, hyicime and I were discussing about males prespectives on Ichiruki, particularly male perspectives on Ichigo's feelings towards Rukia. Both my 10 yrs old nephew and her 22 yr old brother agreed that he is interested in her. We probably will post some of their observations next week (or if hyicine wants to go ahead plese do so, I'll join in later) ;)

[Ylla]

I really hope that Rukia will be back in chapter 300. I miss her terribly and I'm so sick of the HM arc. I want to get over and done with it. sheesh!

Anyway, thanks for posting the links of the fanfics! They're my savior since I'm so deprived of Ichiruki. hihi! I read the "My Third Daughter's First Date" by C. LeShay and it was so funny. I was laughing the whole time I was reading it, except for some serious parts. hihi! I loved it!

[MCRdeathGOD]

Great Update Syn!:glomp Reading FanFics is a good way to not get depressed due to the lack of sense in Bleach :yell Enough with the fights already! Bring Back Rukia! :cry

LETS ALL SUPPORT THE BBK!! Bring Back Rukia!!!

IchiRuki4Ever&EverLol
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[Lucia]

@Syn: Thanks for the Normality update! :hug ...Are you by any chance planning to update Freed as well?

Yeah, fanfics, fanarts, doujins, and amv's are definitely a good way to relieve stress from the lacked of IchiRuki in the manga. I also play video games that let me hit, throw, and bash things. It helps me get off my boredom. However, it doesn't last and I'm back getting irritated & depressed once more. Until Kubo produce Rukia and/or IchiRuki, I will probably be in this state of constant mood change for awhile :cry

[MCRdeathGOD]

I have a punching bag! when I get furstrated (like now) over the lack of IchiRuki I give the bag a few punchs!

I've been reading some of the post on the Pairings Debate Thread and i loved Syn's, Ileenka's, Debbie's, HaNa's, Camilla's & Starwing's Posts!!! Reading them made me feel better and for a few minutes I forgot my furstations. Keep Up the good work people :yell

*runs to ff.net*

[debbiechan]

I have a punching bag! when I get furstrated (like now) over the lack of IchiRuki I give the bag a few punchs!

I've been reading some of the post on the Pairings Debate Thread and i loved Syn's, Ileenka's, Debbie's, HaNa's, Camilla's & Starwing's Posts!!! Reading them made me feel better and for a few minutes I forgot my furstations. Keep Up the good work people :yell

*runs to ff.net*

Go check out Ros' and Jaina's then. The fact that nestled between those long thoughtful posts is a petulant remark by an IchiOri fan doesn't give me much hope for their arguing with much more than sarcasm and self-victimization. Primera Espada and Shado get kudos from me for constructing actual arguments or responding to them. But's that just personal with me. I respect people who stand up for their opinions. That is neither here nor there with supporting IchiRuki, except that I'm getting more than a little weary of IchiRukis being typecast as pushy fanatics. The fact that a lot of us here are verbal, can put sentences together, and don't shy away from a challenge doesnt make us pushy fanatics. I prefer to call us... um.. engaged fans? :D

[WatanukiXXX]

I too applaud and shamelessly cheer on everyone who has posted in the pairing debate thread on the IchiRuki front. Brilliant stuff :hugs

I've always felt the pairing is canon. The most important pairing in Bleach. Why i would never participate. It would be like trying to argue why water is wet. IchiRuki is just IS.

*that and i can't string a coherent argument to save my life:rotflmao

[MCRdeathGOD]

WOOOO Ros' & Jaina's posts were intense! I loved Jaina's Statement about IchiRuki fans not drawing evidence from thin air! I like it because it's true! :yell :yell

I'm afraid to say that i'm not THAT engaged in Debating, althought i wish that i could come up with great reasons and arguments, but no matter how much i try nothing comes up. Although when i read the posts, i get my own opinions and sometimes i don't agree with everything that everyone says, i prefer to let others pick up on that and then make a value point. IchiRuki is precious to me, I can't explain with words, but IchiOri fans get on my nerves when they try to argue that Rukia has no influence on Ichigo what-so-ever and that Ichigo feels nothing for Rukia! :yell IchiRuki is the reason i read & watch Bleach!

EDIT

I too applaud and shamelessly cheer on everyone who has posted in the pairing debate thread on the IchiRuki front. Brilliant stuff :hugs I'm applauding with you! every IchiRuki fan there is Awesome!

It would be like trying to argue why water is wet. IchiRuki is just IS.
Love this line lol! IchiRuki is simply the best, no questions asked!


(sorry i got carried away..i will now leave and allow you guys to continue your sensible & mature discussions :))

[Annie]

That is neither here nor there with supporting IchiRuki, except that I'm getting more than a little weary of IchiRukis being typecast as pushy fanatics. The fact that a lot of us here are verbal, can put sentences together, and don't shy away from a challenge doesnt make us pushy fanatics. I prefer to call us... um.. engaged fans? :D

*just a rant*

IchiRuki fans always get the blame. Look at the beginning of that thread. ShuiMei, HaNa and other were very patient with one poster who now got warned for his/her posting style. But in the end, people applauded him/her for going against ‘crazy’ shippers (I’m not kidding here). Ileenka gets bash from her very own fellow IchiRuki fans just because she’s passionate and stands her ground. Seriously, it makes me wonder what really are the definitions of ‘crazy’ and ‘sane’ in fandom. Pleasing everyone and you’ll be considered sane/logical? And if you stand your ground with solid arguments it makes you a crazy one?

I don’t think we are pushy but may be sometime we can be…a bit smug? But I would say that’s because Kubo gives us things to be smug about. Of course there are times I want to choke a guy for being such a tease. But in the end, he has yet to disappoint me with IchiRuki interactions.

[Jaina]

Thanks guys. I tried to make my post about WHY the way we think the way we do, because although plenty of people could come up with plenty of arguments why IchiRuki is more likely to be canon, that might not be that productive, but it could actually be pretty cool for people to learn about why other ship groups think the way they do. I don't see me ever becoming a fan of some ships, but from reading posts by people who are fans, it's been nice to understand a different way of thinking. I can't prove IchiRuki will be canon, but I can prove we're not nuts. ;) ...I think.

CLEARLY IchiRuki will be canon because my Ichigo and Rukia figures on my desk like to cuddle together. Because they're totally alive and channeling the characters, not just lumps of plastic!...ignore the fact that I have four Rukias and three Ichigos.

Can you tell it's Friday? Oy.

[Lucia]

The Debate Pairing Thread is one of my favorite area of the forum. Some posts are really awesome and full of sensible and insightful comments, while other posts are completely retarded and rude.

~ start rant ~

Some of the comments from the other fandom really rubbed me the wrong way. It ticked me off that some Ichigo/Orihime fans say that IchiRuki fans make disrespectful and rude comments, when some of their members are also being disrespectful and rude with their posts :rolleyes: ...It also makes me mad when some of them act all nice through posts and pm's, and then go back to their own fanclub and accused you of being hostile and attacking their fandom because you made a general comment to a post made by a member of their own fanclub :nuts

~ end of rant ~

*sigh* Okay, I feel so much better now XD

[Spinel Sun]

Some of the comments from the other fandom really rubbed me the wrong way. It ticked me off that some Ichigo/Orihime fans say that IchiRuki fans make disrespectful and rude comments, when some of their members are also being disrespectful and rude with their posts :rolleyes: ...It also makes me mad when some of them act all nice through posts and pm's, and then go back to their own fanclub and accused you of being hostile and attacking their fandom because you made a general comment to a post made by a member of their own fanclub :nuts

Well that's what's happening to me too :/ honestly, we should have our own rights to like or dislike something. As long as we don't write too stupid things (and of course we don't :)) the others have no right to bash us. Yet, they accuse us of bashing.

Face it people, there are others who may not agree with you. You know, everybody have their own brains. So, our opinions tend to differ from one to another. When you think of it for a while, that's what makes meeting other people interesting :) But no, some fans (or "holigans") have to show themselves and act as if they're soooo cool (which they're not!).

Yesterday I was breathing hard actually! I suffered from being bashed (while being accused of bashing, interesting,eh? :P) I thought of not posting anymore for a sec but then gave up on this thought.

Hope I'm not being harsh but there is a limit for how much a person can "endure". I hope you can understand me :(

I'm sooooo proud of being an ultimate IchiRuki fan! And I will NEVER give up on them *.*
And of course I "respect" to others who don't support IchiRuki :cool:

[Starwing]

Can I ask if I missed voting for Rukia? I can't for the life of my remember what date it was... Was it yesterday? T-T --> Had 2 labs due and got caught up with work.

IchiRuki is definitely canon to me. If Kubo turns it around on me, I think I'll start doubting the laws of the universe.

Lol, I think IchiRuki very enthusiastic, but I can imagine the impression given off when four or five of us type up essay-length posts. Perfectly reasonable and most of the time our reasoning are sounder than theirs. But hey, it's no one's fault, but 4 or 5 can be too much to handle. Nobody's being pushy or unreasonable, but we can't help it if we outnumber them by so much.

They feel picked on because they're minority, and I don't think there's anything we can do about it.

Maybe I'm one of the rare ones, but I'd rather they at least keep things polite in public. I frankly don't care what they do in their own fan club, if they're never going to be sincerely nice, I'd rather most at least be publicly polite about it. In that way, I'm a hypocrite too. ^^'

[Annie]

Yesterday was Orihime's round. I think Rukia's round is on 11th? I'm sure Marionette will inform the exact date soon.

There is nothing we can do about what people think. It goes to both sides. They think we are close-minded fans who refused to see hints of other pairings and we think their arguments are so ridiculous we couldn't help but reply.

[Spinel Sun]

They think we are close-minded fans who refused to see hints of other pairings

So, this is where they're losing :D You look for hints only if your pairing is "not" likely to happen :D We don't need to look for hints cos IchiRuki-ness is everywhere in Bleach ^^ There are "whole" scenes, not "hints" :cool:

[ShuiMei]

LOL, Annie I think that's a very succinct and accurate way of describing the general relationship we have with them. Honestly, all I ever hope for in these kinds of threads is healthy discussion where we can all come away with something new, be it better understanding of another pairing or a better understanding of our own pairing.

I get irritated when people say these discussions are pointless, particularly when they go into the thread and say it, as I adamantly disagree and they add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Through this particular thread I got from Starwing a better understanding of how Orihime's feelings grew so dramatically from "I think his face is funny" to "five lifetimes." From babbo's own stubborness surrounding Rukia's weakness, I went back and looked at the earlier chapters to discover that Ichigo did not really worry or protect Rukia early on, even though she was weak, which further reinforces my own personal pet theory of the changing status quo, so I disagree that these threads and debates have nothing new to add and that all arguments have been exhausted.

[Spinel Sun]

Btw forgive me being off topic now but ummm... there is something that has just come into my mind. Ummm I think The first Bleach movie made it more obvious that Ichigo loves Rukia o.o Honestly, if people think that Ichigo likes Senna, than our Strawberry-boy is "madly" in love with Rukia *.* Cos Ichigo in the non-filler serie is much more caring and protective of Rukia than the Ichigo in the movie. I'd be happy if you share your opinions with me =) if you already discussed it, can you please PM me about this (so that there won't be posts are uncalled for *blush*)? Thanks for paying attention.

Well I don't think that discussions are unnecessary! I think discussions are needed to understand each other. There are just some people who doesn't want to accept that people may have different ways of thinking and different preferences. Well, I also love talking to people who have different opinions than mine. That's a good way for a person to improve himself/herself. I know that there are good IchiHime fans =) I swear I'm not making a generalization ^^

[ShuiMei]

Exactly, how are we supposed to understand each other if we don't discuss things with one another?

That's probably why I'm so frustrated by the lack of effort by some other people, because when people post things like "oh it's pointless to discuss these things" it adds absolutely nothing- honestly, I think what's more pointless is to constantly put forward that discussing things is pointless.

At least try, I mean if you try and things get ugly and/or repetitive, okay then maybe there is no use in further discussion, but if you've already decided for yourself that it's useless, then you've done nothing to help foster understanding on either sides.

[Lucia]

@Spinel Sun: Yeah, I saw your posts yesterday, and I can sympathized with you because I know the feeling of being criticized too. Honestly, I respect other fan's choice of pairings, but I just wish they can do the same sometimes, and respond accordingly to a post instead of being sarcastic and rude about it.

About the Bleach Movie 1...I think Senna's slight resemblance to Rukia and the fact that the animators used IchiRuki manga moments for the IchigoSenna scenes for the movie, is grounds for suspicions, and definitely makes me wonder what Kubo and the anime team are implying.

Anyway, I found an IchiRuki fanart/wallpaper? on one of my external hard drive. Sorry, I can't recall where I got it from and who created it. The filename is called 'Seaside.' I think it's beautiful and I wanted to share it with you all :)


http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e319/Lucia_Danielle/Bleach%20wallpapers/seaside.jpg

[HaNa]

I think ichiori fans can't face the facts.. what I would like to see some honest and specific opinions for once at least…something like I agree with you in this point but..it will help us understand their point of view better and give us different points from another angle… the problem sometimes that we spent time to find evidences and images to confirm our arguments to the other side..but what we see a repetition of useless points or pointing to a new idea while we still discuss something else -__-

IchiRuki is definitely canon to me. If Kubo turns it around on me, I think I'll start doubting the laws of the universe

If that happened I'll say kubo has lost his memory or has replaced by another artist ..or maybe he was drunk when he wrote these non sense scenarios

[Syn]

@Lucia: that's a fanart, can't find from who though >__> and it's true, it's beautiful :)

@Spinel Sun: I didn't see the movie, so I can't comment, but if what you say is true then I guess we can compare. Although, I don't like to compare filler stuff with canon stuff :p the anime team broke more than one brain with their fillers (movie included :p).

@ShuiMei: it's just that they don't want to discuss. Up to this point, there's nothing we can do about that. *shrugs* I mean, I'm used to those debates (I began when my English was so bad that other shippers turned my words against me because I couldn't convey properly what I meant XD). Now I'm used to them but it's true that I see a lot of old arguments coming back (again and again, you think you killed them, but they keep coming back).
We have yet to hear a real argument pro-IchiOri. There was nothing but wind so far in the 25+pages of discussions, which is actually quite sad (especially after those so-called IchiOri chapters, you'd think they would have new arguments to bring up).

As far as I'm concerned, I still stand my word in the debate thread; for me, there is no way IchiOri can happen. The hints they have, we all have them at least ten times stronger; and we have numerous *others* hints. If they can dismiss ours as a plain, normal friendship, I don't see why I should feel threatened by their so-called hints.

[ShuiMei]

Yeah we can't exactly force them to come and discuss xD I just think it's ridiculous for some people to accuse us (proponents of Ichigo/Rukia) of not willing to listen or try to understand opposing points of view or preferences when they aren't willing to share their oppositional reasoning with us anyway- afterall, it takes two to tango.

On a separate note, Lucia, that wallpaper is adorable <3

[eave]

Alright, eave, everything was rated T so I could add all your RECs.

@HaNa: thank you for re-sharing those! Our new members will be able to dl them now ^^

@Cookie-chan: they really count this as an IchiOri chapter when Ichigo totally ignored Inoue? I don't see how good is that, really...

On a side note! Normality chapter 28: The one who figured: Hope (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2816169/28/) is up. :) Enjoy :)

ty so much syn!! btw...i didnt figure out till a little while ago it was you who did Normality >_> lol it was one of my first favs :D

[Lucia]

@Syn & ShuiMei: Glad you like the fan art :) ...I just wish I knew who created it, so that I can give proper credit, and of course, find out if this person has anymore fan art as good as this one, lol XD ...The only info I have is the filename :( ...Anyway, when I first open the image, it look small for a wallpaper, and I thought the image won't look right if I use it on my pc. I guess I was wrong, since I just replaced my current desktop, and it look fine to me XD

[HaNa]

Lucia I have this wallpaper..it's really awesome.. Something is written on it ..but I don't think it's the name of the artist :<

http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/29997/2002895538053236629_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002895538053236629)

[eave]

I had just skimmed through the pairings thread...i had a feeling it was going to come down to who see's what and who doesnt see what reguardless of valid examples. You can post pages, mark spots in those pages even put side notes but it wont do anything for anyone who stands their ground and doesnt want to open up their mind to anything else. This has always been like that in my debate class but you have to have an open mind to consider and counter the arguements. Anyone who's taken debate knows how to debate without inputing their opinion. Debate is about facts and at times educated guesses and not assumptions.

Its like I say to my boss every other day when a customer gets really angry with me for something. "No matter what you tell them, and how many ways you tell them...they dont want to hear it. Sometimes confirmation is needed from another source even then that isnt enough" ---so what do you do after that...nothing. My boyfriend and i have debates on almost a daily bases and the end result is that no one wins and no one budges on either side. He'll usually say " i give up" but days...weeks...months even the subject is brought up or something happens and he goes "AHHH...damn you were right" hehe i just love when i actually win a debate even if its months later. >_> Reason I dont debate...the side im on usually has every single point i can think of and said better then i can so i guess thank you ichiruki fans =p

[Annie]

I don't care who wants to debate or not but it's really stupid to complain about debate in a debate thread. Seriously if they cannot handle debate and arguments, just simply don't post. Not posting 'you refuse to see hints!' but they themselves refuse to show us those hints or whine about how useless debate is. It's a debate thread.Yes, I know you're reading.

I agree that people will see what they want to see. And debating will not make either side change their minds at this point. Nothing the other side say will change me from supporting IchiRuki. But like ShuiMei, I want to understand what do they see as evidences for IchiOri. Why are they so confident that IchiRuki is not special and IchiOri has more ground? I won't agree with them because from what I see in manga, IchiRuki has more ground in regard of any Ichigo or Rukia pairings. I do see hints for...say RenRuki or IchiOri or ByaRuki. But compare to IchiRuki's I don't see those pairings happen unless Kubo makes their interactions more significant than what IchiRuki has. And so far, he has yet to do so with IchiOri, RenRuki or even IchiNel.

[Lucia]

Lucia I have this wallpaper..it's really awesome.. Something is written on it ..but I don't think it's the name of the artist :<

http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/29997/2002895538053236629_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002895538053236629)

Ah, you found a bigger image than the one I have. Awesome! Thanks for sharing! :hug ...I think I'll replace my copy with yours eventhough it has words on it :) ...The image is still beautiful :love

And yeah, it doesn't say the artist's name on it :( ....Oh well *shrug* ...I can live without knowing XD

[eurys]

IchiRuki fans always get the blame. Look at the beginning of that thread. ShuiMei, HaNa and other were very patient with one poster who now got warned for his/her posting style. But in the end, people applauded him/her for going against ‘crazy’ shippers (I’m not kidding here). Ileenka gets bash from her very own fellow IchiRuki fans just because she’s passionate and stands her ground. Seriously, it makes me wonder what really are the definitions of ‘crazy’ and ‘sane’ in fandom. Pleasing everyone and you’ll be considered sane/logical? And if you stand your ground with solid arguments it makes you a crazy one?
I had to quote that because I so agree annie. I've seen so many example of "sane" IchiRuki shippers going against their own just to prove that they're the best part of the fandom... And if you're an insecure IchiRUki fan searching for some comfort, ranting against a recent IchiOri interaction, or wanting IchiRuki to be canon in the end, you get blamed/mocked/wanked by your very own fandom. I'm so happy this FC is not full of those kind of elitists.
WTH is wrong with debating about pairings? Or wth is wrong with being a fan and wanting more? It's like some people want the IchiRuki fans to always becareful when they express their preference and their love for their pairing. I say "screw that", I'll ship the way I want and if you can't stand that, you're the one taking fandom too seriously.
/end rant

Nice wallpaper HaNa :p

[Ileenka]

By RinRin House. :yay

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3361/img0104vc4.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1368/img0101qq8.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7623/img0094ou4.jpg

Cover:
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7964/img0093ho2.jpg



I will take more pics and upload the stories later this evening. :uhuh

[AnimeFunFan1229]

By RinRin House. :yay

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3361/img0104vc4.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1368/img0101qq8.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7623/img0094ou4.jpg

Cover:
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7964/img0093ho2.jpg



I will take more pics and upload the stories later this evening. :uhuh

Wow Ileenka i love those pics! Especially the third one!:) It's funny that Tousen made tea, and Grimmjow and Ulquiorra are both staring at Nell and she looks super scared and Ichigo doesn't even do anything, he's just standing there smiling back to back with Rukia(awww how cute!) actually that's kind of mean....Oh well:rotflmao!

Originally Posted by eurys I had to quote that because I so agree annie. I've seen so many example of "sane" IchiRuki shippers going against their own just to prove that they're the best part of the fandom... And if you're an insecure IchiRUki fan searching for some comfort, ranting against a recent IchiOri interaction, or wanting IchiRuki to be canon in the end, you get blamed/mocked/wanked by your very own fandom. I'm so happy this FC is not full of those kind of elitists.
WTH is wrong with debating about pairings? Or wth is wrong with being a fan and wanting more? It's like some people want the IchiRuki fans to always becareful when they express their preference and their love for their pairing. I say "screw that", I'll ship the way I want and if you can't stand that, you're the one taking fandom too seriously.
/end rant

I totally agree with you eurys, there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinions and having a different preference then other people! I mean if everybody liked the same pair then there would be no debates and if there were no debates then everyone would possibly get what they want! And if everyone gets what they want and there is no debates then where would the fun be in that?:rotflmao

[blueberry]

By RinRin House. :yay

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3361/img0104vc4.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1368/img0101qq8.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7623/img0094ou4.jpg

Cover:
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7964/img0093ho2.jpg



I will take more pics and upload the stories later this evening. :uhuh

wow kawaiii!


I have read the arguments in the pairing debate thread. Hana, annie, ros, ileenka are absolutely awesome! hurray hurray!:) (I wish I also could express my insights about ichiruki but I am not great as them.) Anyway, all I can do wait for rukia's return and for more ichiruki fluff.

I'll be a solid ichiruki fan! whatever happens!

[Ileenka]

You guys know what I especially despise? IchiRuki fans telling other IchiRuki fans how to love their ship in a mightier-than-thou, saner-than-thou attitude in the most awful and condescending manner possible.

[Jobrill]

You guys know what I especially despise? IchiRuki fans telling other IchiRuki fans how to love their ship in a mightier-than-thou, saner-than-thou attitude in the most awful and condescending manner possible.

That seems... pretty weird. How does that even WORK? I mean. I like the idea of Rukia and Ichigo. You like the idea of Rukia and Ichigo. Why the hell isn't that enough Common ground? Am I missing something?

I mean, I've started withdrawing from debate threads on pairings because I'm tired of the Illogic and vitriol from all quarters, but... geeze, you'd think we could all agree amongst ourselves - if not on the specifics, at least on the fact that we like these 2 characters together.

Seriously, that boggles my mind.

[Annie]

Oh~~ Justine, thank you so much <3 Ulq and GJ are just too cute. I really love RinRin House doujin.


I've seen so many example of "sane" IchiRuki shippers going against their own just to prove that they're the best part of the fandom... And if you're an insecure IchiRUki fan searching for some comfort, ranting against a recent IchiOri interaction, or wanting IchiRuki to be canon in the end, you get blamed/mocked/wanked by your very own fandom.I'm so happy this FC is not full of those kind of elitists.

I know. I really love it here because of that. I know that some fans were worried how these recent chapters could shatter IchiRuki pairing. And I know a place where fans were being scolded for wanting IchiRuki to become canon. They were forced to accept that IchiRuki doesn't need to become canon and we should just be happy with fanarts and fanfics. It was ridiculous. It was even more ridiculous that someone I know (and admire a lot) tried to reassure that IchiRuki was not affected by those chapters was bashed. Simply because she dared disagreed that IchiRuki could become a canon and these so-called chapters will not affect it.

I remember that when chapter 283 came out some did raised the same concern in the FC here and thank god that members were here to reassure the worried ones that there is nothing to be worried about. Ileenka, Syn and Jenni wrote wonderful posts during that time. Debbie was so kind that she wrote such a great essay about it. I was so happy they managed to help those who were concerned to see that IchiRuki is still most likely to happen XD

@Jobrill: Well, some simply hates fans who are so passionate about IchiRuki and keeps saying that it will become canon. These fans will get labeled as 'insane' and 'makes IchiRuki fandom looks bad. There is such word as 'intraship war', believe it or not? XD

I'm in a ranting mood today. I should stop now -_-

[Ileenka]

I have read the arguments in the pairing debate thread. Hana, annie, ros, ileenka are absolutely awesome! hurray hurray! (I wish I also could express my insights about ichiruki but I am not great as them.) Anyway, all I can do wait for rukia's return and for more ichiruki fluff.

I'll be a solid ichiruki fan! whatever happens!

Dice and Lucia deserve a hearty applause too, for responding wonderfully in the thread. :love :love They're fantastically awesome :inlove :inlove

@Jobrill: I don't understand it either. It has boggled me for the longest time ever. That is why I end up here on the forums rather than to frequent the IchiRuki Community on LJ.

@Annie: My awesome co-owner. :love :love

[blueberry]

Dice and Lucia deserve a hearty applause too, for responding wonderfully in the thread. :love :love They're fantastically awesome :inlove :inlove

Oh..how can I forget! Lucia and dice are just awsome. sorry bout forgetting.

Waaahh.. I want more ichiruki! how come KT is so cruel?:cry I am so tired with the fights. (needs more ichiruki to breathe):D

is chapter 300 possible? i mean, rukia's comeback? Well if it is, I really cant wait!

[MCRdeathGOD]

I remember that when chapter 283 came out some did raised the same concern in the FC here and thank god that members were here to reassure the worried ones that there is nothing to be worried about. Ileenka, Syn and Jenni wrote wonderful posts during that time. Debbie was so kind that she wrote such a great essay about it. I was so happy they managed to help those who were concerned to see that IchiRuki is still most likely to happen XD I was one of these people that starting worrying, but then I not mentally but physically slapped myself when eveyone started explaining what the chapters meant. I read Debbie's Essay and it made me laugh and have EVEN more confidence in IchiRuki! :glomp

You guys know what I especially despise? IchiRuki fans telling other IchiRuki fans how to love their ship in a mightier-than-thou, saner-than-thou attitude in the most awful and condescending manner possible.

Phew i'm so glad that this FC is different, you guys actually give me the confidence to post, were as before i was just a meer lurker.

I'm not gonna lie when i say that when i read Ileenka's hilarious posts on the debate thread i think to myself that posts like Ileenka's are uplifting, because in general the whole atmosphere of that thread is full of anger and the need to prove something (not that the IchiOri's do a good job at it, specially PE) If anybody here were to bash someone, i know that many of us would be against it :yell

how many of the IchiOri's fans do you think have been reading these posts?

BTW thanks for the RinRin scans!! SOO ADORABLE :inlove

[Syn]

@Ileenka: thank you for those scans, absolutely adorable :inlove

@Lucia: ah, the name *is* on the HQ version! It's be-dyed! It was a site that closed, unluckily. But it was it, if you have to credit, credit be-dyed.

As for the intraship wars, it's what forced me to make my LJ friends only. Can you believe that someone trolled me only because of that? >___> Those rude people dare say that some fans are insane? Who is insane, really? :headscratch

I am glad that you people like the atmosphere of this FC =) Yes a lot of us do believe that IchiRuki *will* happen (probably at the end of Bleach though, it's a long, long road...) and to me, Kubo's only been proving that during the past chapters. And I'm sure he has something really good for us in store, because he never deceived us before =)

[moonflowers]

@ rei_ai, AnimeFunFan1229: Just a question (or request if u want to call it): Anyone out there who got Love Drop scanlations? I visited the site, but unfortunately, my computer doesn't download Japanese text and I'm going crazy with all those boxes @.@

I think I might be able to help you... Usually all you need to do to read Asian text is to set your browser window up with the proper encoding. In Firefox, it's View -> Character Encoding -> (lots of choices, usually default is Western). In IE 7, it's Page -> Encoding -> (lots of choices, default Unicode). In either browser, there will be a little bullet point next to the encoding that it's using to interpret the text. If your encoding is set on Western, you can try changing it around to see whether Unicode or a specific Japanese font will work for you. I typically take about three to four guess-and-check attempts to pick the right one. :) Hope it helps.

@ debaters: Valiant efforts. I don't think I'd have been able to stay as patient as many of you did. I am eternally thankful that the IchiRuki fans I've met so far have all been tolerant, reasonable, and supportive people, and that makes me more enthusiastic about coming out as an IchiRuki shipper myself (despite never having shipped before!).

@ Jobrill: Yeah, I don't get an intra-ship war either. As if we didn't already have enough business with debating folks outside the ship. :) I think a lot of people tend to forget that this is supposed to be *entertainment!*

@ Lucia: I read a great journal entry by someone whom I unfortunately can't remember (was it Yorleni?) who had carefully broken down all the parallels between Senna in the film and Rukia in the SS arc, and it was pretty interesting how much they'd ganked from SS to make the film work. And the most amazing part of it was that even amidst all that "Senna! Senna!", we still had several lovely IchiRuki scenes.

My favorite was when Ichigo took a sword through the midriff and was falling out of the sky, miserable because he couldn't save Senna. All the other shinigami at the scene came zooming up to try to retrieve Senna, but who came flying back to catch Ichigo when he fell? None other than our dear Rukia. :)

@ Ileenka - Thanks for even more doujins!

[wicked_liz]

The idea of a "sane shipper" is bizarre to begin with. Firstly, ur talking about how much one likes the way fictional characters make a great couple.

:nuts !!Yes!! 'cause reading a manga about a guy who can leave his body and transform into a "death god" complete with big-ass sword and go on astral travels, really makes for a great platform to cast stones. *morons* I've been to anime cons (small ones in my country) hard to argue for sanity when u have pics on ur cell phone of glomping some small dude who dressed like Hitsugaya. :D

With so many people in the "community" it's natural that some personalities clash, like high school, friends stick together and cliques form and suddenly it's the sane kids vs. the insane kids - WHATEVER.

Also I think some "insane" shipping makes for some good laughs.

Like going to a sports game and wearing ur team colours, and waving ur team flag, and if ur a crazy English (football) fan, getting banned from the stadium :rotflmao

Case in point would be the latest IchiOri proof; a brilliant mathematical deduction using age old, and mystic knowledge to discern The Obvious.

ON TOPIC :crazy THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXERCISE IN INSANE SHIPPING

I bring to u, devout believers in the IchiRuki faith, my own numerical argument!! *cue witchy laugh*

If we were to use the Japanese association, we know that:

Ichigo = Ichi Go = 15

And, 15 = 1 + 5 = 6

6th is also his class position, Rukia is also the 6th female. So already, by the Japanese standard they equate each other!! :eek:

However, that is not all, in numerology; meaning is taken from the compound Core Numbers. Numerologists believe that there are nine unique archetypes corresponding to nine cycles of development – the numbers 1 through 9.

The Number Six: 6, is pregnant with love. It is the number of family and social responsibility. The social responsibilities of the Six create a need to understand and gain insight, a need to find some way of placing experiences into a meaningful whole. The symbolism behind number Six is legend. With Venus as it's ruler, Six represents harmony, balance, sincerity, love, and truth.

:love I know!! It's much to easy and obvious. Therefore I decided to do deeper research to prove that Ichigo and Rukia are SO fucking destined to be together, that they could even stand up to a Western (Anglo) reading.

*warms up mystic calculator/abacus*

Using their whole names, and working from the basis that each letter in the English alphabet is equal to a corresponding ascending number (A=1, B=2, C=3, etc.), we get:

Rukia Kuchiki = 129

Ichigo Kurosaki = 155

129 + 155 = 284

> 284 = 2 + 8 + 4 = 14

> 14 = 1 + 4 = 5

OR

129 = 1 + 2 + 9 = 12 > 12 = 1 + 2 = 3

155 = 1 + 5 + 5 = 11 > 11 = 1 + 1 = 2

> 3 + 2 = 5

The Number Five represents change and activity, in effect testing the solidity of our foundation. The Five, 5, turns itself around and introduces freedom and adventure. It is open in both the front and the back. It is a point where decisions must be made, and true to its form, those decisions could radically alter the outcome. The spiritual meaning of number Five deals with travel, adventure, and motion. With the high's that come with these attributes, Five's also carry instability and unpredictability, and radical changes with them.

THE POWER TO CHANGE DESTINY!! :inlove

[Sergelia]

I just want to give one huge THANK YOU to wonderful people like Ileenka, Debbie, Lucia, Dice, Syn, annie, Liz (I'm sure I forgot someone >.<')... I'm not feeling in the mood for ship debates since my arguments turned against me in ATLA shipping; I just don't want to go through that again. But you guys do such an awesome job presenting everything that IchiRuki is, your posts always make me feel so much better! A huge part of the reason I still frequent these forums and still read Bleach is the great IchiRuki fandom. So, thanks for being awesome. :yay *hands out flowers*


The problem I have with IchiOri is not only in the manga, but in its shippers, too. 'Picked on'?! Please, will they stop acting like everyone that doesn't see what they do is by default an idiot and not worthy of being talked to? I get annoyed when a group of like, twenty people accuses the whole IchiRuki fandom of being close-minded.

They are free to counter our arguments. Instead, they choose to act as if we're beneath their level. So what right do they have to complain? We're willing to debate, to put up our arguments, and all we ask for in order to consider IchiOri is for them to do the same in turn. But what we get is a "F*** you, we're good enough for ourselves". >.<

I hate fandoms. IchiRuki is the first fandom I really enjoy being in, because you guys, all of you, are so awesome and considerate :cry This FC is really the best it can get. I wish we had more recent material to pimp it, though *glares at Kubo*

Sorry for the rant. I guess I'll have to look for another venting place if I don't want to spam the FC with my angst o__O

[Annie]

Wicked_Liz: OMG!!! :eek: I'm speechless. I couldn't believe that someone finally found the canon evidence for IchiRuki. Seriously, that's made of win :rofl

Intra-ship war is the most ridiculous thing ever. But I guess some just has to be better than others.

I prefer to be insane if by being sane means I have to please everyone. I see chapter 213 look as a 'romantic' look and a solid evidence for IchiRuki and I will say it. I will not say 'oh...it could mean anything...'. Beside, my friends are somewhat 'insane' according to some's definition. I prefer to stay with them since they're awesome (aren't you, Sandy? Justine?)

Oh, Sergelia: There is no such thing as 'pick on' when you debate. If you have solid argument, no matter how hard they try they could never rip your argument apart. I don't know why there should be 'victims' in debate thread. Either you present your points well or you don't. Refusal to debate because their points are flawed is not the same thing as 'I don't want to repeat myself'.

And we will get new materials for IchiRuki. I cannot wait for that to happen and FC will become so lively.

[hyiceme]

Well, I've kinda lost interest in bleach lately, but I keep coming back for this FC (even though I'm mostly just lurking now). I love it here because it has some of the most intelligent and civil people that I've met online and has the most intriguing discussions. You guys always back your claims with very valid and reasonable support. Sometimes, I get the impression that you guys understand inoue's character and the nature of ichiori better than the supposed ichiori fans. All they do is blind fangirl/boying. I don't understand why they don't participate in the debate since supposedly, Kubo's been really ichiori recently isn't he?:x like...um, ch.294 (:lmao) and it's not like they are the only ones repeating stuff, so why not be a little more patient? anyways, I salute to everyone that participated in the debate thread. You guys are awesome~
I still wish the ichioris can bring up the courage to formally present their case in the debate thread. If their argument is as solid as they think, then they shouldn't fear any oppositions. Besides, arguing/debating is so much fun. :nuts

@wicked_liz: That's one awesome "insane" shipping. I can't believe Kubo even has numerology down for IchiRuki as well. XD
@Lucia & HaNa: Nice pic! They both look so happy and peaceful together~
@ileenka: Thanks a bunch for posting those doujin pics. :hug

IchiRuki! :wtf:wtf

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z279/templardna/bleach/IchiRuki/bl4.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z279/templardna/bleach/IchiRuki/13000.jpg

[Dragonthorn]

IchiRuki will have its time again. Just you wait...

Oh and hey, been awhile :P

The next IchiRuki reunion is expected to do the ff things:

1. Revive the FC
2. Infuse new blood into the FC
3. Further the plot development in the manga
4. Revive everyone's interest in Bleach again
5. Overshadow and prove once and for all .... (i'll leave it up to you guys to fill that one up)

-off topic-
For the record, I for one am enjoying the manga unlike most of - at least - the more vocal of the fandom. Of course there's no quite comparing it to SS, but really it shouldn't be. But there are a lot of things I like about it. I don't care what people say, Szyael is awesome! One of the best Espada releases IMO.

[Syn]

@liz: ROFL :rotflmao insanity FTW :rotflmao

As for the Japanese text, there is an add-on; it's on the Microsoft site.

@Annie: I agree; if you stand still on the manga ground, there is no reason to be picked on. In fact, people mainly point out the problems in the logic (for now, since no real argument was presented on the other side). But oh well >___>
You're right though about getting new material. I'm just expecting them XD Truthfully, if I had IchiRuki moments like those so called IchiOri chapters, I'd be mad at Kubo; to me, it would be really bad because it's so bland it's not even funny :p But I know it'll be way different :inlove

@Dragonthorn: I agree totally XD In fact, the plot seems to be moving more every time Rukia is involved, so yeah. I expect her return to be awesome -even if she's unconscious.
And I actually like Szayel and his insanity; those manga chapters are, however, so-so as the plot advance only very slowly and I'm losing my patience :p it does seem to pick up since the beginning of the Nnoi/Nel fight, but >___>

[HaNa]

I'm so happy to be around here with u guys :hug this the first time that I cared so much for the pairing in the anime/manga world in my life and had a courage to enter bleach fandom and register in this wonderful forum…and now I'm so proud of being ichiruki fan and a member of fc ^___^

We are so lucky to have such a great owner like syn *deserve 100 hugs XD* who is so sweet with us and very supportive ^ ^ I have never seen her angry here :p

And co-owner annie who is so encouraging and lovable ( my best friend here ^ ^)

Finally to ileenka and eveyone who provide to us many goodies of ichiruki

yay ichiruki is canon canon X ----D cool test wiz :cool:

glad that everyone likes the pic but that was thanx to lucia :glomp who brought it in the first place :D

[debbiechan]

That seems... pretty weird. How does that even WORK? I mean. I like the idea of Rukia and Ichigo. You like the idea of Rukia and Ichigo. Why the hell isn't that enough Common ground? Am I missing something?


There's an interesting phenomenon that occurs within cliques (and of course within shipping groups, cliques eventually form). It's the natural phenomenon whereby certain members try to "police" other members. You see it in neg-repping. "Don't post there or I'll neg-rep you." Or as in one IchiOri fan being neg-repped by another IchiOri fan for merely starting an Orihime thread that might lead to wank.

IchiRuki fans have been attacked by their own before for "over-shipping" or for drawing too much attention to the romantic aspects of the pairing or for even asking innocent questions regarding IchiOri (the response is usually "oh no, not that again").

I can understand the frustration with ship wars and antagonism in general, but I believe newcomers to ANY ship should be welcomed with open arms and yes, lots of the same old answers to the questions we've been discussing for years now. Everyone was a newbie once.

As for threatening people with neg-reps, that's just stupid. I do that to Ag Master because he jokes and asks people to neg-rep him, and I think he's hilarious fun.

It's interesting--both camps, as I see them, accuse the other of "taking things to