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tari101190
09-08-2007, 05:10 PM
btw i only keep making threads like this cos there arn't many 'bleach theory/info' threads to read...so why not make my own.

*pure human soul = soul in soul society
*unstable soul = earth soul with a chain
*inner sprit = zanpakuto spirit/heart
*reiryoku = spiritual energy
*reiatsu = spiritual pressure/physical force of reiryoku

i think that a human soul is kinda like an unstable soul cos it is not a definant soul yet...it can easily become a hollow or a pure soul.

a pure soul is a soul without the chain and is whole. cos they are whole and stable they can access/commuicate with they're inner spirit easier than an earth soul, physically manifestering that iner soul into a zanpakuto. earth souls can do this too though (ichigo did), but i think it's probably easier for pure souls.

if that pure soul gains the zanpakuto they are not neccesarily stronger straight away, but if they learn to communicate with the zanpakuto, they will get stronger. hte waythe get stronger is that the shinigami has to learn to spiritually become one with the zanpakuto. this way the shinigami's inner spirit will become more balanced allowing them to increase they're reiatsu and stuff cos they're fighting as one with their inner spirit.

zaraki hasn't/can't commuicate with his zanpakuto (yet...)so his inner spirit is unbalanced cos they're not fightting as one...luckily for zaraki he has lots or reiryoku so is quie strong so he does fine without the need to be as one with his zanpakuto...so if he did he would be much stronger.

as you communicate with the zanpakuto through wateva means, you can eventually learn shikai/bankai which is just the true form of the zanpakuto (so the true true form of your inner spirit). you don't only need wateva communication methods (lie chatting to them, fighting them etc...) to do shikai/bankai though, you need a certain level of power (like reiryoku) first. also, the size of the zanpakuto represents the size of your reiryoku, although if skilled enough you can willingly control it's size so that you do not swing arond a 'sky scraper' size sword. when doing shikai you release a certain amount of reiryoku, while when doing bankai you need to release 5-10 times more. when doing shikai/bankai your reiastsu increases i guess cos your inner spirit/reiryoku is again more balanced, making your reiatsu increase.

hollows can form from the earth soul as easily as a pure soul can. hollows are earth souls whose chains have completely eroded so lose their 'heart'. i think that when hollows lose their heart it is harder to access their inner spirit (like a pure soul can access it easier cos its the opposite direction of evolution for the earth soul).

cos the hollows are heartless (and dumb i guess...) they are vilent and evil-ish, not caring about stuff.

a shinigami can then go through hollowfication and be considered a hybrid of shinigami/hollow. the shinigami will obviously go through a physical transformation, looking more like a hollow. however since they are now a hollow, they need to become 'heartless' like a hollow. shirosaki represents the heartles version of ichigo.

so shirosaki is the lack of ichigo's inner spirit while zangetsu is the inner spirit if you get what i mean. cos the zanpakuto is also zangetsu, the zanpakuto is also shirosaki. b4 ichigo could control the hollow transformation the more ichigo released his zanpakuto (zangetsu), the more his hollow would come out (shirosaki), cos shirosaki was apart of zangetsu remember.

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as ichigo willingly fused with zangetsu more (like fighting with zangetsu, shikai/bankai etc...) he accidently fused with shirosaki too, so ichigo was slowly being taken over by his hollow. but he vaizards use that fighting method thing (similar to what youd with bankai) to supress your hollow and control its added power to your shinigami power.

so the vaizard when using his hollow power would look more like a hollw, dramatically increasing their reiatsu, becoming stronger. but that incrase of reaitsu has to be learnt to be used constantly, thats why your masks always breaks, cos you have to learn to hold the flow of power for longer.

i also think the reason why inside ichigo's bankai coat is white instead of red is cos shirosaki (being apart of zangetsu) is the dominant side of zangetsu now. so his bankai will change to repesent that shirosaki is dominant over zangetsu.

now hollows can aso go through the process of shinigamification to become a hybrid (like shinigami do the opposite). to get my theory, assume all arrancar are released the way i talk about them.

once the hollow removes his mask or wateva to become an arrancar they will gp through a physical transformation to look more human (shinigami are just pure human souls with zanpakuto remeber). grimmjow was a panther, but as an arrancar he looked like a humanoid panther (like a thundercat...). however since they are now part shinigami they will gain an inner soul (thats probably why arrancar zanpakuto still have names).

the arrancar zanpakuto seal up the hollows hollow form and when released also increase their reiatsu bt alot, like vaizards. like the vaizard supress their heartless hollow to let their inner spirit be dominant, the arrancar probably supress their inner spirit to let their hearylessness remain dominant (like opposites again).

oh i 4got...not all arrancar seal up their hollow forms into zanpakuto. you probab;ly have to be at a certain power level to be able to get a zanpakuto to seal your power in. ice-ringer and demora don't have zanpakuto, cos ishida said they were weak. therefore they only look more hum-ish, without gaining an inner spirit...so they're weak hybrids.

earth soul
pure soul (easy access to inner spirit)
zanpakuto (accessed inner spirit)
hybrid (access heartless)

the shinigami seem to have to access they're inner spirit (zanpakuto) b4 even trying to access a hollow side otherwise they will not have an inner spirit to try fight for dominace, resulting in the pure soul just becoming a hollow instead of a vaizard.

earth soul
hollow (access heartless)
hybrid + zanpakuto (access/accessed inner spirit)

the arrancar seem to gain the zanpakuto the exact same time as physicaly manifesting the zanpakuto. since the arrancar subdue theor innes spirit, the inner spirit isn't impotant anymore. the zanpakuto is just used to seal up the hollow's true form and when sealed the hollow just looks completly human.

remember this is just a theory s don't get mad if you don't agree, i will probably change my mind if i others have defferent ideas anyway.

all about shinigami powers... (http://bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?t=761)
arrancar realese theory (http://bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?t=762)
shikai + bankai + resurreccion theory (http://bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?t=1825)

Rain
09-08-2007, 05:26 PM
tari101190- this is very informative/interesting

Llama
09-08-2007, 05:47 PM
The only thing I disagree with is that a normal earth bound soul can become a Shinigami. I do not believe this. I believe in order for an earth spirit to become a Shinigami, he must have Shinigami blood. Such as Ichigo, for his father is a Shinigami. Now when Ichigo went through the Shattered Shaft he awakened his Shinigami powers(And his hollow was born). He was able to do this because he was always a Shinigami, through his father. It's just that his Shinigami powers were dormant. Now lets say a normal earth soul(No Shinigami blood) went through the Shattered Shaft. I believe he would turn into a hollow with no chance of becoming a Shinigami.

tari101190
09-08-2007, 06:00 PM
i kinda agree with you...not the shinigami blood thing...but that not everyy single soul can become a shinigami. maybe only some.

but i doubt it has anything to do with shinigami blood. rukia and renji are just 'tramps' of the street and both became shinigami. so perhaps only ppl skilled and strong enough can access their 'shinigami powers' (the zanakuto basically).

and so ichigo had a hard tim,me accessing his shinigami powers, i think the only reason he even did it is cos of the desperation motive to not turn int a hollo. so earth souls find it harder to become shinigami than pure souls.

Rain
09-08-2007, 06:00 PM
I think that a normal soul can become a shinigami.

Byakuya wasn't confused (shocked maybe) when he saw that ichigo had re-gained his powers (and he had no reason to think Ichigo had shinigami blood) and what about all the rukongai citizens that beome shinigami. There is no way that people without any nobility at all have shinigami blood.

I think any soul can become a shiniagmi, but they probably won't be strong or anything.

Llama
09-08-2007, 06:08 PM
i kinda agree with you...not the shinigami blood thing...but that not everyy single soul can become a shinigami. maybe only some.

but i doubt it has anything to do with shinigami blood. rukia and renji are just 'tramps' of the street and both became shinigami. so perhaps only ppl skilled and strong enough can access their 'shinigami powers' (the zanakuto basically).

and so ichigo had a hard tim,me accessing his shinigami powers, i think the only reason he even did it is cos of the desperation motive to not turn int a hollo. so earth souls find it harder to become shinigami than pure souls.
Well any pure soul can become a Shinigami, if they have spirit power. Which Rukia and Renji had. They are completely different from earth bound souls. I'm saying the only way an earth bound soul could become a Shinigami is if they had Shinigami blood like Ichigo or like what Rukia did with Ichigo, transfer her powers over to his.

tari101190
09-08-2007, 06:11 PM
yeah but my post says that the only diffrence between earth spirits and pure spirits is that the pure spirit is whole and can easly access their inner spirit, but since earth ones are unstable (able to easily become hollows or pure soul), its harder for the to access their inner spirit.

I think that a normal soul can become a shinigami.

Byakuya wasn't confused (shocked maybe) when he saw that ichigo had re-gained his powers (and he had no reason to think Ichigo had shinigami blood) and what about all the rukongai citizens that beome shinigami. There is no way that people without any nobility at all have shinigami blood.

this is a good reason to why any soul (earth soul or pure soul) could become a shinigami....

btw ichigo is called a pure blood cos his father is a shinigami...but that only means that ichigo was born automatically with high reiryoku. thats why ichigo 'leveled up' so quick, cos he was powerful from the start.

and when rukia stabbed him in his 'heart with her zanpakuto...he didn't get rukias powers, she just unlocked ichigo's powers in his heart. its like she forcefully pushed out ichigo's inner spirit. if you look at ichigo's sealed zanpakuto guard, it is identical to rukias, but a backwards design, so its not the same zanpakuto...someone proved it on some thread on bleachexile i think...plusi checked it out myself. just look at the first chapter of bleach.

Llama
09-08-2007, 06:13 PM
Well to each his own I guess.

aznxenocide
09-08-2007, 10:29 PM
Nice theory. And ehh...your statement about how the size of your zanpaktou reflects your reikyoruo was HELLA disproven by Isshin. No offense.

Other than that, it seems pretty good. Except the whole part about how pure souls can access their inner spirit...if that were true, wouldn't everyone in Soul Society be a shinigami?

Beee
09-09-2007, 06:40 AM
I think that any soul who has spiritual powers can become shinigami and that whether they were on earth or born in SS doesn't matter that much.

@ Xeno : I think he implies that those pure souls in question have spiritual powers =o

@ llama : pink over white is hella hard to read!!! lol for a while i thought you were a girl until I read the "LLAMA" xDDD

tari101190
09-09-2007, 08:32 AM
Nice theory. And ehh...your statement about how the size of your zanpaktou reflects your reikyoruo was HELLA disproven by Isshin. No offense.

Other than that, it seems pretty good. Except the whole part about how pure souls can access their inner spirit...if that were true, wouldn't everyone in Soul Society be a shinigami?
no it wasn't disproven, isshin said that you can control the size to mke it smaler, otherwise all captain levels would carry around sky scaper size zanpakuto...cos thats their natural size.

and btw ganju's sword is a zanpakuto btw (check databook scans/translations), ikkaku and zaraki had zanpakuto b they became official shinigami too...so pure soul seem to access it easier. and ppl in soul society do become shinigami...how else would shinigami apear all this time anyway...