Chip Implants

[Frosted Heart]

With technology steadily progressing, some people have advocated the implantation of microchips into humans (just under their skin). These would be quick, painless procedures that might bring ‘big benefits’ to people.

For now only bare basic information can be placed on the chips. For example, the chip could hold a bar code that allows hospitals anywhere to access your medical records. Or the chip could even act like a warning device, telling them if you have certain allergies/diseases.

I think Bill Gates already has something like that at his home (though it's more of a patch than an implant). The patch has a person's 'setting' on it, and whichever room they enter in, the room reads the person's setting and adjusts the environment to follow it.

Of course this technology could eventually extend to include important information, like Social Security numbers, addresses, debit card information, etc.

But would you personally allow yourself to be ‘tagged’ (for a lack of a better word)? Would you do it for convenience’s sake? Or do you consider it too de-humanizing/a breach of privacy to ever become widespread?

Discuss. ^^

[Shadoblak]

I'm pretty sure that EXACT thing is a sign of the apocalypse:p The mark of the beast and all....
Implanting microchips to say, replace damaged nerves is a great advancement...But Implanting identity code like humans were canned goods is kinda crossing the line....

[Rain]

Most animals have them and they're fine with it.

I personally don't want it, but that's just because I don't need it, but getting it wouldn't be a problem for me.

And they'd never put important numbers (SS number, other ID numbers) on it because of the chance that it could be hacked into.

[MonkeyMagic]

I say as long as it's not mandatory, I wouldn't have a problem with the chips. I do know there is a great deal of controversy, but I cannot tell someone they cannot get it because it's simply not my body nor my responsibility to tell them so.

And yeah, the problem with technology now days is the fact that you can get your identity hacked. Identify theft is a big deal here in the States and I think it's the leading crime at the moment (I may be wrong, but I believe I heard that recently).

[Shadoblak]

They may not use your SS number but they would have a seperate identification number...And it would be a sort of subtle mandatory....like eventually all the kids born will have one implanted......Tsktsktsk...dystopia!

[Riekie]

whenever these things will be produced and implanted into the human body it's like Shadoblak said in his first post...so no way that I will be tagged like some cow standing on farmland.

Never!

[Rain]

It's already happening though. Many elderly people, or people with severe allergies are getting them, so in case of an emergency there won't be any problems. The doctors will know what treatments can't be used and things like that.

[Shadoblak]

Thats fine for sickly and elderly, but what of the younger people, it would be kind of weird if they could track you anywhere (It would also be the end of action movies and Law and Order.....You couldnt run from the cops)

[aznxenocide]

While this would be a huge boon for the medical industry, allowing doctors to immediately identify allergies, medical conditions, etc instead of having to go through medical records, it also makes identity theft even easier than it is now. Sooo meh.

If there was a gps tracker on it, I'd be pissed. XD

[Shinrin]

Well 4 years ago i read about em trying to make a chip that could pretty much make the brain calculate like a computer.
In other words: School is loosing ground.

Then again, think of a world ruled by idiots with good microchips, then an EMP go off...XD

[Zelos]

ive heard about this before and i just have to say the idea creeps me out. heck, i wont even allow anyone to put chips into my pets. their tags work well enough for identifying. i would never want to be "tagged" no matter what the actual benefits of it are. ive lived this long without it and theres no reason to start now.

and yes, i think its an invasion of one's privacy.

however, if other people want it for themselves, im not going to stop them. i just know i dont want one or need one. if it becomes mandatory for some reason, ill simply rip it out of my flesh.

[LiquidTheBrit]

Over at ATS, people speculate this has something to do with the New World Order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_%28conspiracy%29) (Possible impending one-government world) and they'd use the chips as currency, and when you cross them, they just turn off the chip. By then, you wouldn't be able to get anywhere without the chip.

Apparently, it starts with RFID (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID).

Personally, I don't want any chips. IMO, a lot of Americans are forgetting what America is about and letting the government take away all their rights for security. Ben Franklin once said that "Those who abandon rights for safety deserve neither" or something like that. But that's for another thread.

[speedphantom]

That sounds really weird, I don't get why you can't just have a card in your wallet with all this stuff on it. Even if its not written on the card, just to have the card scanned and then the information is there.

I don't think its necessary, I wouldn't like the idea of having some piece of hardware in my skin. Its unatural.

[EternalDream]

Aw, Rain...I can't believe you compared animals being marked as the same thing as humans being marked...for shame, dude.

**shutters** I'll take a bullet to the head before letting myself be implanted with a device the goverment would use to track my every move. Not that I plan on becoming a criminal or anything, but I have the RIGHT to my privacy and freedom, by the workings of our US Constitution, which I really enjoy living with, and don't particularly want to give up any time soon. There's way too much religious forshadowing of the Mark of the Beast for my tastes with it, as well.

I understand why elderly people might want this, but seriously, it seems like we have SO MANY meds this day and age...and yet there's just that many MORE health problems. So maybe people should start taking better care of themselves when they're yougner, instead of relying on the thought of "well, I'll just be able to use meds/I'll just have this handy-dandy chip implanted into me when I'm older and in need". Of course, there are always expections.

Coinidentally, I was going to make a thread about "should we have a one-world government" (which is the same as what LiquidTheBrit's links talked about) since a few days ago my friend sent this to vid to me: (it talks about the chips as well, which is just a reaffirmation of why I'm so against being chipped). It's kinda off topic, if I'm taking this as a literal topic about JUST the chips, but the vid talks about a lot of other issues that people might not be aware of. :/ So apologies if it seems COMPLETELY off topic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

(and no, I'm not going to share my opinions, or expect anyone else to, for that matter, of whether I agree/disagree with the conspiracy theories on this vid, since this thread's supposed to be about implant chips>.<)

[Shadoblak]

Hmm...interesting ED.....The whole world's going to hell...Rumors of one world governments have been circulating since the supposed Illuminati...That they've guided the world through the decades.....Its all pretty interesting....We should have a general Conspiracy/oddity discussion thread......

[LiquidTheBrit]

**shutters** I'll take a bullet to the head before letting myself be implanted with a device the goverment would use to track my every move. Not that I plan on becoming a criminal or anything, but I have the RIGHT to my privacy and freedom, by the workings of our US Constitution, which I really enjoy living with, and don't particularly want to give up any time soon. There's way too much religious forshadowing of the Mark of the Beast for my tastes with it, as well.


You know, I'm thinking some people should do an armed revolt against are currently over-corrupt and weak government officials while we still have the constitution to let us do that, but that's just me.

And a one-world government, IMO, is a totalitarian one. That's a government I don't want to live in.

@Shado: Totally. Though, I suppose I could just point everyone to ATS for conspiracies. =/ but I'm sure there's some rule against that, haha.

@ED: Have you seen the whole movie, though? Zeitgeist? (I made a thread about it a while ago... and it only had one reply.)

[emoloz]

Ok since when were we robots? Shouldn't this be done with something more natural like a finger print, broken skin cell, blood or a hair cell instead of implanting chips into us. I for one don't want to be tagged. I think i am more human than that.

[Rain]

:lmao How did the chip get a gps device in it :headscratch:lmao

That wouldn't work at all. If it became mandatory to have a chip, they couldn't use a gps device because of the sheer number of signals. many could begin to interfere with each other, not to mention other sourses that mess with GPS signals, yay for conspiracy theories though:lmao

EternalDream- that animal comment was meant to be a joke, i'm sorry if it upset you:hug

[LiquidTheBrit]

It may not be a GPS, but it might just send information to the Fed whenever it's used.. which would be, presumably, a lot (by the time we ALL have chips).

And yes, some scientists called it the beast chip or something like that, because the chip would be put in either the forehead or the right hand. =/

[Shadoblak]

:lmao How did the chip get a gps device in it :headscratch:lmao

That wouldn't work at all. If it became mandatory to have a chip, they couldn't use a gps device because of the sheer number of signals. many could begin to interfere with each other, not to mention other sourses that mess with GPS signals, yay for conspiracy theories though:lmao

EternalDream- that animal comment was meant to be a joke, i'm sorry if it upset you:hug

It may not be GPS, but the very oint is to have each person with an individual signature, so they could still track you if you so much as took a crap...
You buy a pack of gum and they'd know when where what kind and if it was on sale....That creeps me out

[LiquidTheBrit]

Ok since when were we robots? Shouldn't this be done with something more natural like a finger print, broken skin cell, blood or a hair cell instead of implanting chips into us. I for one don't want to be tagged. I think i am more human than that.

And my reply is:

One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic.
Quite possibly, that's just how Big Brother likes to think. =/ (Big Brother referring to whoever it is at the top, aiming at a one world government or whatever)

[Shannon]

I'm pretty sure that EXACT thing is a sign of the apocalypse The mark of the beast and all....
Implanting microchips to say, replace damaged nerves is a great advancement...But Implanting identity code like humans were canned goods is kinda crossing the line....


Dude, you've read my mind. Well, as long as the chip implants aren't necessary, then I'm fine with that. But chip implants make me think of food, too.

[LiquidTheBrit]

@Shannon: XD; you're not alone.

Also, the mark of the beast thing has been mentioned all over the place for the chip implants thing, and the problem is that Big Brother is probably planning on making this needed.

The rate that Americans are trading their rights for safety is just plain scary, really. =/ Apparently, England's gone totalitarian, which really sucks, since I'm running out of English-speaking places to escape to when the US goes batsh*t crazy. XD;

[Unicorn]

I would not like to be tagged, it's scary to imagine myself as a supermarket item able to be 'scanned' by someone.

Sure it's useful for strictly medical practices, right up until the government decides to allow other sectors to 'scan' us (eg. CIA). Once we allow it, where do we stop? I agree with speedphantom, what is wrong with a card / bracelet / necklace advising your medical requirements?

Pet tags are different, it had been introduced as a method of keeping a link between lost animals + owners, and as far as I know, it has been restricted to only that.

[EternalDream]

LOL, that's good to know Rain. I wasn't sure if you were kidding or not, so I tried not to make my reply very serious. XD

You know, I'm thinking some people should do an armed revolt against are currently over-corrupt and weak government officials while we still have the constitution to let us do that, but that's just me.

And a one-world government, IMO, is a totalitarian one. That's a government I don't want to live in.

@ED: Have you seen the whole movie, though? Zeitgeist? (I made a thread about it a while ago... and it only had one reply.)

Heh, it's sad that most people (at least that's how it seems to me) don't even know/understand what's actually IN our Constitution, and what our rights are, outside of maybe the first 10. :rolleyes: There should be a few more assassins though, I'll agree with you there. XD

Gah, a totalitarian government would be sooooooo awful. -_________-; I bet a lot of people wouldn't mind one, though, which is the real tragedy.

I haven't seen the entire movie, actually. And I didn't know you had a thread. When I get more time, I'll go check it out^^

Anywho, getting back on topic...>> It's pretty much been shown in all the advancements in technology, that if people are chipped for ONE thing (like medicinal purposes) that it's spread to everything. There are way to many computer related things I could pinpoint, but cloning is probably the best example I could come up with. I don't really understand why people would want to clone animals (unless there's some cataclysmic shortage where the only way to produce more animals would be cloning...which obviously isn't the case in today's world) but whatever. And now scientists are trying to clone people. Again I ask, WHY? Seriously, what's the need/purpose for having a clone? To me there really isn't one, but I'm not a scientist so maybe I'm just ignorant of the "importance" of it or something. **shrugs** The point is, once you get so far in science and technology, there's no stopping it. It's always "let's keep going!" instead of "where's the limit?" or, better yet, "what SHOULD be the limit?".

The world we live in is scary at times.

[StarryInoueSky]

I will NEVER get the chip and I don't care if they kill me for it. 'Cause seriously this whole chip thing is the start of the Apocalypse (like some of you said) and yeah... no chip for me.

I think it's a stupid idea to get a chip in you to know your info and all that crap. Privacy is precious and I don't want anyone prying into my personal business, not even the government. If they have their secrets, why can't I have mine? If in the future this whole "You have to get a chip" thing is made into a law, I think I'd become a criminal and NOT get it. I'd rather do that than suffer the consequences of 'following the herd'. This maybe due to my whole religious belief or something but even if I didn't have these religious beliefs, I would not do it. It's just too freaky.

[Shadoblak]

Yeah i think the bible says even devout Christians who wear the mark of the beast incur God's wrath......

I see more and more commercials encouraging you that carrying money is "uncool" and that you should just carry a card of some sort, linked directly to your bank account...If they want chips for your kids, then they can use that for identification...Social security number will no longer be needed so its "safer"
Soon people will think "Safe" money is a good idea..And upgrade their chips....The resulting mark from the upgrade or instillation becomes the mark of the beast......I probably sound kinda crazy, but think about it and tell me its not possible

[Zelos]

I see more and more commercials encouraging you that carrying money is "uncool" and that you should just carry a card of some sort, linked directly to your bank account...

ya x_X i know what you mean... i constantly get credit card advertising in the mail, trying to get me to sign up... i remember when i had an economics class in high school and we did a unit on credit cards and i thought "gee, these are dumb." XD

...maybe im just weird but i do prefer cash over electronic money, like credit cards... more material that way (i like to be able to see and touch what im dealing with) and its easy to look in your wallet and see its almost out xP at least you cant overdraw when all you have is cash! it stops at zero and so there is no negative...

[LiquidTheBrit]

Ugh. It's disgusting, and kind of ironic, that America is looking more and more like the classic dystopian novels that I've read just out of boredom. Nineteen Eighty-Four, Brave New World, etc.

=/ I bought a copy of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights just for fun, but then I read them and realised that there's a shitload of unconstitutional rules and regulations out there.

What's worrying, though, is that people honestly don't give a shit. However, they SHOULD. People should have the right to an unbiased education, and to have the chance to actually think freely (as well as not be persecuted for doing such. Lolthoughtcrime). Lots of polls have shown that most people would rather give up some of their rights for safety, as I said earlier. These numbnuts are kind of forgetting what the US was about, right?

Ooh, corporate corruption gone wild! XD sounds like some weird porno.

Anyways, the Federal Reserve has nothing to do with the government, and you don't actually have to pay income tax. =/ it's never been a legally required thing, or so I've heard.

[Vizard_King]

Ok, guys, this isn't a sigh of the End of the world. Chip inplants arn't the sigh of Lucifer. They are human made computers that well one day help us find our family members who have been lost, kidnapped ECT. We all know that the Zombie Apocolyps is many years away.
And i think that Chip inplants are one step closer to the awsome future similer to Ghost in the Shell. That is just my opinion.

[Shadoblak]

Ok, guys, this isn't a sigh of the End of the world. Chip inplants arn't the sigh of Lucifer. They are human made computers that well one day help us find our family members who have been lost, kidnapped ECT. We all know that the Zombie Apocolyps is many years away.
And i think that Chip inplants are one step closer to the awsome future similer to Ghost in the Shell. That is just my opinion.

Famous last words :p
Along with
Whats the worst that could happen?
How bad could Bush REALLY be
or
This ship is unsinkable! XD

EDIT: Had another thought...The trouble comes when all your money is transferred to these chips...Then you can't buy or sell without it......THAT is what is written in the Bible...And you can't say that doesn't seem like a plausible outcome

[Vizard_King]

No no no, my famous last words are
"Munch much. Mmmm! tasty"
Uhh what? I must have missed that passage. was it something like
"And the Anti-christ commith if thou change currency!"
It could happen, yes. But that is not the only possible outcome.
(And please not Bush bashing or I might have to take out my Uber Clinton bashing Hammer of Doom. and we don;t want that. this needs to be civilized after all.)

[Who]

I would never allow a chip to be implanted into me, its too much information that is easily readable.

[07Janina07]

No way! I wouldn't want to be tagged like a cow! These kind of chips would be useful for criminal offenders though! All of those rappist and murderers should get tagged and tracked like cows!

But a normal person getting tagged and then scanned! Thats messed up and against your rights because these things can get hacked on and God knows what would start to happen.

They are a lot of messed up people in the world and getting tag so they can find you more easily is not an option! What if a child molestor can hacked in to it and track children because their ID and age its on those things?

No way, I am against that, if they want the chip so bad they can tagged themselves!

[Ametatsu]

I think it's OK as long as it's voluntary not mandatory (I don't want one, it has incredible potential for abuse). And actually having it as an optional form of currency wouldn't be too bad as long as it didn't completey replace cash and cards - like it's useful to have a debit/credit card even if you usually use cash and everywhere still takes cash, you don't have to use it or even have it if you don't want to, but if you want to use it it's good to have the chance.

Uhh what? I must have missed that passage. was it something like
"And the Anti-christ commith if thou change currency!"
Here it is:
"and he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to recieve a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads; and that no man might buy or sell, save that he had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name"

[Bleu]

This is an interesting topic.

I believe that allowing people to use these chip implants, we could be slowly letting go of our freedom. The governments could use the chips to their advantage and use it to track a person at all times. Phone-tapping is a big problem as it is around the world..

[earthforge]

Bleu: Couldn't agree more.

Well, I do believe chip implants would be a saver of time. Hospitals wouldn't have to worry about if a kid with a dislocated shoulder forgetting their medical insurance card.

Personally, I think the idea is too fallable. The general response is already demonstrated here, because no body wants to have a chip imbedded in them. But it's not because it takes a society a step closer to collectivism. It is just a convenience, that won't become a neccesity because of it's sheer unpopularity (just like chipping a cat.) We won't lose our humanity through it.

I believe Bleu is correct, the worst thing is if these items were exposed to public.

[beautiful_death]

Bleu: I totally agree with your stance, especially since the surveillance (or "homeland security") in certain areas are slowly edging itself to police state levels. I could see how this chipping can be really abused, like tagging people with Muslim-sounding last names or immigrants.

It's one step closer to a totalitarian dictatorship, if you ask me.

[cheez]

It is an interesting idea with huge potential benefits and problems. I defiantly see the benefits for people with certain medical conditions like allergies, or for finding missing children. However despite the benefits the potential problems such as using them as a method of controlling, influencing, and separating people I see as far worse. Because of the benefits I can not dismiss the use entirely, I think people should sign up for it voluntary. Under no condition could this be forced on any body nor should people feel obligated to get one.

[Kristen]

Its interesting that this topic started because the chips been bothering me for a long time now. I did an entry about it on my LJ..but I'll share it here.

http://www.youtube.com/v/vuBo4E77ZXo&rel=1

It will pretty much open your eyes for those who think that the v-chips are a good thing. This chip is from a movie called, ' The Zeitgeist '. The movie is very easy to be find on the web. Just google it.

[ookami]

Chip Implants like the V-Chip just store data but Implanting them in humans would be a huge breach of privacy true is we implanted a V-Chip in everyone it would slove every kidnap and murder in the world. But the American Government plans on using them to store medical data.

[bradc]

I believe they already have tracking devices for offenders in some prison for high crimes, it disables them if they try to leave and sets off electricity to disarm the prisoner; I forgot which one they showed about on Discovery Channel. Some repeated celebrities like Linsey Lohan wore them on their legs as a fashion statement, but really a wrong way to go at it.

As for chip implants compare to computer chip factories; I'd rather not have one in me, but such technologies already exist for tracking animals in order to find more about their habitat and behaviour. Is not needed if they already have tracking devices for hands and legs; it's really unnecessary.

[ookami]

Yea a tag but this thing is under the skin alot harder to remove.