hougyoku and becoming arrancar

[Chill0]

i was theoryzing a little about the hougyoku and how one actually become arrancar. its just a theory so nothing is fact. feel free to criticize.

So one way of looking at it is that a shingami or human soul is the core soul. this soul can become a hollow(this changes the souls powers). when the core soul can overpower the hollow side of the soul a core soul can use his hollow power to become more powerful, making them a vizard or an arrancar respectively. So a human soul would become an arrancar and a shinigami would become a vizard. Hollows that become arrancar are actually human souls that overpower their inner hollow become arrancar.

ok without the hougyoku hollows can throw away their mask and become more human like, becoming arrancar. say someone like nell. then some of those arrancar like doldony (the privavon espada) trained their shinigami skills while being arrancar. becoming more like the espada we know now. this explains why normal arrancar are not so powerful most of the time.

aizen used the hougyoku on non arrancarized hollows, on top of that he did so on strong hollows. the hougyoku fully(fully is not exactly how i want to put it but at least more then normal arancars do) awakens their shinigami powers. so most of their shinigami potential will be given to them without training like the privavon espada had to(like how ichigo has to learn and use his hollow side). this is what makes the espada so strong. i think this cause non of them had to go trough all the stuff ichigo has to go trough with his hollow side, they have this amazing power on the spot. The hougyoku is a shortcut to something that’s possible for every soul.

it does make me wonder how the vizards were made, was it with the houhgyoku, the ichigo way or is there a third unknown way? so please give me your thougts about the matter. believable or just crap ^_^?

[ralphy-sama]

So one way of looking at it is that a shingami or human soul is the core soul. this soul can become a hollow(this changes the souls powers). when the core soul can overpower the hollow side of the soul a core soul can use his hollow power to become more powerful, making them a vizard or an arrancar respectively. So a human soul would become an arrancar and a shinigami would become a vizard. Hollows that become arrancar are actually human souls that overpower their inner hollow become arrancar.

Human Souls do not become Arrancar, if there souls are transforming, they become simple hollows and nothing more. To become a Arrancar you must first be a hollow not a human. If a human were to gain hollow powers while still maintaining a human form they would most likely have powers like Chad.

ok without the hougyoku hollows can throw away their mask and become more human like, becoming arrancar. say someone like nell. then some of those arrancar like doldony (the privavon espada) trained their shinigami skills while being arrancar. becoming more like the espada we know now. this explains why normal arrancar are not so powerful most of the time.

The Hougyoku process simply speeds up the process of a hollow gaining Shinigami powers. Its true that even without a Hougyoku, hollows can become "natural" arrancar. This process however takes years and years and the Arrancar isn't as strong as the ones made with the hougyoku.

aizen used the hougyoku on non arrancarized hollows, on top of that he did so on strong hollows. the hougyoku fully(fully is not exactly how i want to put it but at least more then normal arancars do) awakens their shinigami powers. so most of their shinigami potential will be given to them without training like the privavon espada had to(like how ichigo has to learn and use his hollow side). this is what makes the espada so strong. i think this cause non of them had to go trough all the stuff ichigo has to go trough with his hollow side, they have this amazing power on the spot. The hougyoku is a shortcut to something that’s possible for every soul.

Arrancars don't have to train because its power thats given to them, its not something that they gained on there own or worked for. So its understandable that they don't train and are naturally stronger.

it does make me wonder how the vizards were made, was it with the houhgyoku, the ichigo way or is there a third unknown way? so please give me your thougts about the matter. believable or just crap ^_^?

Ichigo's Hollow was made through Urahara's training method. It could be speculated that the other Viazards gained there hollow powers along the same means.

[Rain]

Very interesting theory, but I disagree with some parts

I think of there being a soul, and that soul can become either a shinigami or hollow, but it isn't necessarily either one at first.

I think that if the hougyoku were used on a normal soul they wouldn't become either arrancar or vizard, they'd just die or something.

I do agree with your line that says the "Hougyoku is just a shortcut etc".

I have no clue as to how the vizards became vizards

[Chill0]

Human Souls do not become Arrancar, if there souls are transforming, they become simple hollows and nothing more. To become a Arrancar you must first be a hollow not a human. If a human were to gain hollow powers while still maintaining a human form they would most likely have powers like Chad.

maybee i was unclear. its more like the human part can overpower the hollow part. offcourse the hollow part has to be formed first, like u said. still overpowering it makes you either an arrancar or a vizard.


The Hougyoku process simply speeds up the process of a hollow gaining Shinigami powers. Its true that even without a Hougyoku, hollows can become "natural" arrancar. This process however takes years and years and the Arrancar isn't as strong as the ones made with the hougyoku.

nell doest have a zanpaktou she is arrancar without shinigami powers for as far as i know. i think how you say it it doesnt explain how normal arrancar get more shinigami like. i see normal arrancarization more as becoming more human. hougyoku actually makes them more shinigami like

Arrancars don't have to train because its power thats given to them, its not something that they gained on there own or worked for. So its understandable that they don't train and are naturally stronger.

i would say thats for the espada though, i think that the privavon espada actually had to go through a process like ichigo has to with his powers.




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[BigBadBuu]

Very interesting theory, but I disagree with some parts

I think of there being a soul, and that soul can become either a shinigami or hollow, but it isn't necessarily either one at first.

I think that if the hougyoku were used on a normal soul they wouldn't become either arrancar or vizard, they'd just die or something.

I do agree with your line that says the "Hougyoku is just a shortcut etc".

I have no clue as to how the vizards became vizards

I'll address mostly this one part because it's a pet theory of mine.

I think Ichigo's friends' powers all stem from him activating the Hyogoku way back in chapter 1.

Remember Ishida's comment waaay early on that Ichigo has huge power, but was subconsciously suppressing it? Combine that with Aizen's comment 200+ chapters later about "temporarily fusing with a someone with Reitsu greater than that of a captain" and we have... DON!

Rukia had the Hougyoku inside of her that day, when she gave Ichigo her power. For the rest of the pre-SS arch, we had Ichigo + Rukia together most of the time around most of Ichigo's friends.

This would explain why they all started manifesting powers after Rukia showed up, not before as would have been likely had their powers truly been the case of long-term exposure to Ichigo. Also, this would explain why Chad + Orihime got the most power & first-- they were the ones exposed to Ichigo the most after Rukia showed up.

...As for the rest, I also agree that hybridization seems more like a shortcut to power, rather than the key to more as Aizen assumes. Come WW, I'm sure we'll learn more about the secret to the power of SS's senior captain.

~Buu

[Sarada]

maybee i was unclear. its more like the human part can overpower the hollow part. offcourse the hollow part has to be formed first, like u said. still overpowering it makes you either an arrancar or a vizard.


You're still unclear. A human would not have to deal with his hollow, nor does he have to conquer it, look at Chado.

On the Arrancar, the Hougyoku may create more perfect bodies and more access to their shinigami powers, but they still need to know how to form a zanpaktou.

I think Ichigo's friends' powers all stem from him activating the Hyogoku way back in chapter 1.

Remember Ishida's comment waaay early on that Ichigo has huge power, but was subconsciously suppressing it? Combine that with Aizen's comment 200+ chapters later about "temporarily fusing with a someone with Reitsu greater than that of a captain" and we have... DON!

Rukia had the Hougyoku inside of her that day, when she gave Ichigo her power. For the rest of the pre-SS arch, we had Ichigo + Rukia together most of the time around most of Ichigo's friends.

This would explain why they all started manifesting powers after Rukia showed up, not before as would have been likely had their powers truly been the case of long-term exposure to Ichigo. Also, this would explain why Chad + Orihime got the most power & first-- they were the ones exposed to Ichigo the most after Rukia showed up.

Assuming that Rukia had the Hougyoku inside her during most of her lifespan, assuming Urahara placed it in her before he got exiled.

And you are ignoring shattered shaft, wich clearly resembles the shaft in wich Grand Fisher was mutilated into some pre-arrancar. Not to mention Ichigo coming out of that with a hollow mask. Seems kinda suspicious to and IMO Urahara clearly knew what he was doing with Ichigo (= creating a new Vaizard)

[Rain]

BigBadBuu- that's an interesting theory (glad I had added the "or something")

But, wasn't the Hougyoku still under the seal (the container thingy) when it was in Rukia, so it couldn't have done anything, could it:headscratch.

[Chill0]

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maybee i was unclear. its more like the human part can overpower the hollow part. off course the hollow part has to be formed first, like u said. still overpowering it makes you either an arrancar or a vizard.

You're still unclear. A human would not have to deal with his hollow, nor does he have to conquer it, look at Chado.

im talking about the human soul. lets say how ichigo does it in his inner world battles, or orihimes brother did in one of the earlier episodes. he was atleast for a short time an arrancar there(shouldnt have killed him :D). i'm not talking about living humans becoming hollow, although chad might be just the one who is doing this. turning into a hollow/(arrancar) while still being alive.

[Rain]

That makes it sound like all human souls have an inner hollow.

A soul that still has a chain of fate can be dead, but not have an inner hollow.

[Chill0]

That makes it sound like all human souls have an inner hollow.

A soul that still has a chain of fate can be dead, but not have an inner hollow.

no it has to be formed first, but you'll never lose your human part. see the above examples. ichigo was actually almost a hollow before becoming vizard. the inner hollow has to be formed first. on the chad case that means he might be forming one while being alive.

[Sarada]

im talking about the human soul. lets say how ichigo does it in his inner world battles, or orihimes brother did in one of the earlier episodes. he was atleast for a short time an arrancar there(shouldnt have killed him ). i'm not talking about living humans becoming hollow, although chad might be just the one who is doing this. turning into a hollow/(arrancar) while still being alive.


Yeah my bad ... you're totally right :confused:

[yanniv]

I wonder if the Arrancar can use Kidou. Remeber, Shinji used a cero so it would only make sense if the Hollow's could use the Shinigami powers.

[Saffire]

I think it would require training that they don't have time to pursue. Shinigami spend years learning how to use kidou. Not to mention I think there'd be very few circumstances in which kidou would be more useful than their Hollow powers or Ceros.

[Chill0]

Yeah my bad ... you're totally right :confused:

haha probably not, just trying to get my theory across. i don't post that much for a reason. not that good with words you know ^_^

[yanniv]

I think it would require training that they don't have time to pursue. Shinigami spend years learning how to use kidou.

Well, is it possible? That's really my question. If Shinji can fire off a Hollow base attack, can the Hollow fire off a Shinigami base attack? I really do sure hope so.

[Chill0]

Well, is it possible? That's really my question. If Shinji can fire off a Hollow base attack, can the Hollow fire off a Shinigami base attack? I really do sure hope so.

i don't see why not. although most hollows are pretty stupid. arrancar should be able to. they have cero allready though and i dont see grim use a level 1 binding spell :D

[scooz]

I'll address mostly this one part because it's a pet theory of mine.

I think Ichigo's friends' powers all stem from him activating the Hyogoku way back in chapter 1.

Remember Ishida's comment waaay early on that Ichigo has huge power, but was subconsciously suppressing it? Combine that with Aizen's comment 200+ chapters later about "temporarily fusing with a someone with Reitsu greater than that of a captain" and we have... DON!

Rukia had the Hougyoku inside of her that day, when she gave Ichigo her power. For the rest of the pre-SS arch, we had Ichigo + Rukia together most of the time around most of Ichigo's friends.

This would explain why they all started manifesting powers after Rukia showed up, not before as would have been likely had their powers truly been the case of long-term exposure to Ichigo. Also, this would explain why Chad + Orihime got the most power & first-- they were the ones exposed to Ichigo the most after Rukia showed up.

...As for the rest, I also agree that hybridization seems more like a shortcut to power, rather than the key to more as Aizen assumes. Come WW, I'm sure we'll learn more about the secret to the power of SS's senior captain.

~Buu

It's a good theory, but I thought that Urahara embedded the Hougyoku in Rukia's soul when he gave her the special gigai that sucked away her powers. So wouldn't that be after Rukia gave Ichigo her powers? I mean, I don't know of any other time when Urahara would be able to do so.

[Rain]

scooz- when Urahara put the hougykou in Rukia is up for debate.

In one of Aizens speeches he makes it sound as if Rukia had it before leaving for the living world, before chapter 1

[scooz]

Yea, but I am still skeptical because no matter what Aizen said, Urahara has been banished for 100 years to the living world and it was, if I remember correctly, Rukia's first assignment in the living world when she met Ichigo. So I just can't see when Urahara would have implanted it. Surely he would not trust anyone else to do it for him, so it's hard to see how she could have had it before she met Ichigo.

[Agmaster]

Ichigo's Hollow was made through Urahara's training method. It could be speculated that the other Viazards gained there hollow powers along the same means.


I love how people give Urahara all this undue credit as if he's a msatermind dealing with every faction in the series. I'm sure if and when hell shows up, people will clamor he made a deal with the devil. Or outplayed him with a banjo.

[tari101190]

I'll address mostly this one part because it's a pet theory of mine.

I think Ichigo's friends' powers all stem from him activating the Hyogoku way back in chapter 1.

Remember Ishida's comment waaay early on that Ichigo has huge power, but was subconsciously suppressing it? Combine that with Aizen's comment 200+ chapters later about "temporarily fusing with a someone with Reitsu greater than that of a captain" and we have... DON!

Rukia had the Hougyoku inside of her that day, when she gave Ichigo her power. For the rest of the pre-SS arch, we had Ichigo + Rukia together most of the time around most of Ichigo's friends.

This would explain why they all started manifesting powers after Rukia showed up, not before as would have been likely had their powers truly been the case of long-term exposure to Ichigo. Also, this would explain why Chad + Orihime got the most power & first-- they were the ones exposed to Ichigo the most after Rukia showed up.

...As for the rest, I also agree that hybridization seems more like a shortcut to power, rather than the key to more as Aizen assumes. Come WW, I'm sure we'll learn more about the secret to the power of SS's senior captain.

~Buu
no the hougyoku, when un-awakened, can use the same power as an awakened hougyoku only when infused with double the energy of a captain (aizen is at the peak of shinigami power unlike most/all the captains). ichigo and rukia were far from that level so couldn't have activated it.

chad and inoue got powers just cos ichigo's high level was giving of kinda spirit radiation which mdae them more powerful and gave them powers. ichigo's power was abnormally high cos he's a pure blood or wateva (look up what ggrand fisher said to isshin), but his energy was nowhere near double captain level, which aizen said he has.

a hollow when gone through shinigamification gains 'shinigami powers', meaning they become more powerfull initially by breaking the shinigami/hollow boundry which physically make them more human looking than b4, although if powerful enough they will seal their excess power into a zanpakuto along with their arrancar hollow form, leaving them completly human looking when sealed up.

artificial arrancar (ones made with the hougyoku) are considered better than natural ones cos they evolved slower i guess, while the hougyoku transforms them instantly, making them more powerfull quicker probably.

human souls with a chain are neither shinigami or hollow, so can become either. ichigo is only both cos he turned into one halfway between turning into the other. vaizards unlocked the hollow using spells or wateva.

the inner hollow thing is really just to represent how they are having a psycologival conflict while they are half shinigamiand hollow. like their mind is fighting to see which side it will finally become. arrancar are not really like that cos they are just hollows, while vaizard are shinigami with real hollow sides.

[Beee]

aizen used the hougyoku on non arrancarized hollows, on top of that he did so on strong hollows. the hougyoku fully(fully is not exactly how i want to put it but at least more then normal arancars do) awakens their shinigami powers. so most of their shinigami potential will be given to them without training like the privavon espada had to(like how ichigo has to learn and use his hollow side). this is what makes the espada so strong. i think this cause non of them had to go trough all the stuff ichigo has to go trough with his hollow side, they have this amazing power on the spot. The hougyoku is a shortcut to something that’s possible for every soul.


I don't think the Hyugyoku does anything else than garanteeing a 100% human form during arrancarazation. I think the reason why the privaron espada are weaker is because not every hollow will or will even want to remove it's mask and only a handful of them do it naturally and successfully (having a human form). So the odds of them being strong is very slim.

In the other hand, when Aizen selects and captures the best hollows from Hueco Mundo and Arrankarize them, there's a 100% chance of having a human form (that means more power). I think the Hougyoku just gives Aizen the possibility to arrankarize any hollow, which gives him a much better chance of getting a strong arrankar.

[tari101190]

I don't think the Hyugyoku does anything else than garanteeing a 100% human form during arrancarazation. I think the reason why the privaron espada are weaker is because not every hollow will or will even want to remove it's mask and only a handful of them do it naturally and successfully (having a human form). So the odds of them being strong is very slim.
no i think what the hougyoku does is just makes the hollow into a hybrid instantanesously rather than a slow transformationn like natural arancar.

the privaron espada were demoted cs they are probably adjuchas and cos they're natural arrancar it took them longer to become arrancar, unlike the current espada who instantly became arrancar vi artificial means (the hougyoku).

vastolorde will 100% gauranted become human looking after shinigamification, while adjuchas and lower have less chance who being human with zanpakuto cos theyr're weaker.