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Primera Espada
08-21-2007, 06:23 AM
According to the official bleach bootleg, Here are the captain's stats (I put this in general as it's not really spoilery for anyone who's seen to the SS arc)
Yamamoto
strength: 100
defense: 100
mobility: 100
kidoh: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 60
Total : 560
Soi Fong
strength: 80
defense: 60
mobility: 100
kidoh: 60
intellect: 60
physical strength: 100
total: 460
Ichimaru Gin
strength: 80
defense: 80
mobility: 80
kidoh: 80
intellect: 80
physical strength: 80
total: 480
Unohana
strength: 100
defense: 80
mobility: 70
kidoh: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 90
total: 540
Aizen
strength: 100
defense: 90
mobility: 90
kidoh:100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 80
total: 560
Byakuya
strength: 90
defense: 80
mobility: 90
kidoh: 90
intellect: 90
physical strength: 70
total: 510
Komamura
strength: 100
defense: 100
mobility: 40
kidoh: 50
intellect: 80
physical strength: 100
total: 470
Shunsui
strength: 90
defense: 90
mobility: 90
kidoh: 100
intellect: 90
physical strength: 70
total: 530
Tousen
strength: 70
defense: 70
mobility: 80
kidoh: 90
intellect: 90
physical strength: 60
total: 460
Histugaya
strength: 80
defense: 80
mobility: 90
kidoh: 90
intellect: 80
physical strength: 80
total: 500
Zaraki
strength: 100
defense: 80
mobility: 60
kidoh: 0
intellect: 50
physical strength: 100
total: 390
Mayuri
strength: 70
defense: 70
mobility: 40
kidoh: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 50
total: 430
Ukitake
strength: 90
defense: 90
mobility: 70
kidoh: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 40
total: 490
Shadoblak
08-21-2007, 06:26 AM
Very interesting....Knowing that it was rather foolish of Kommamura and Tousen to attack Zaraki head on....Hitsus at 500 eh......Hm...
At anyrate thanks for this, it will surely provide weeks of debates :p
Primera Espada
08-21-2007, 06:35 AM
Well, I love how we see how certain stats can be nullified by intelligent action, or luck
For instance, Komamura's defense does him no good if Aizen can fool him into attacking his illusion. Defense drops to 0 if you don't defend XD.
And Gin was clearly winning his fight with Hitsu, dispite Hitsu's higher stats because Hitsu got hot headed while Gin stayed calm.
Also, Byakuya having such high all around stats is why he's held in such high regard, but when you look, he has 90 for reiatsu (strength) when only 5 captains have less than that. when 8 other captains have equal or higher reiatsu, it's not really all that impressive, now is it XD
Shadoblak
08-21-2007, 06:43 AM
Also, Shunsui and Ukitake are the most experienced as shown by their high intellect and kidou.....A well placed kidou can be much more effective than a swing of a sword...
also, Unohana is frighteningly strong...Explains why everyone seems afraid of her.....
Primera Espada
08-21-2007, 07:09 AM
Haha, I LOVE Unohana.
I think I was right all along saying she can take Aizen. In fact, Aizen comments that dispite everything, she knew something was wrong with his illusion. Must be the high intellect.
Frostman
08-21-2007, 07:52 AM
Im just going to say that these states weren't meant to say who can defeat who in a battle. I mean even if kenpachi was to get bankai, his stats wont go up because some are already maxed out.
Im now officially afraid of Unahana. And dame Hitsuguya was always on the bottom of my list.
Saffire
08-21-2007, 07:57 AM
Are you sure these are actual stats and not related to a game? Some of the numbers seem way off compared to the evidence we have...
Pollux
08-21-2007, 08:35 AM
Interesting, as long as people refrain from using them to support their ideas in debates (as there are other factors applying).
Too bad there isn't Ichigo's, Renji's...
And just a question : what is the difference between strength and physical strength ?
yanniv
08-21-2007, 09:50 AM
Interesting, as long as people refrain from using them to support their ideas in debates (as there are other factors applying).
Too bad there isn't Ichigo's, Renji's...
And just a question : what is the difference between strength and physical strength ?
Strength is most likely how much power the soul is contains rather than physical strength, which is probably how much weight you can push around with your hands.
speedphantom
08-21-2007, 09:58 AM
What is this Bleach Bootleg thingy?
I'd think Yamamoto would be 100 physical strength as well since he's quite ripped as you can see haha. Also Hitsugaya above Gin, Kenpachi, Ukitake, just no haha.
Is there proof of where the source is from?
Primera Espada
08-21-2007, 09:58 AM
I read "strength" as Reiatsu, and "physical strength" as, well, physical strength.
And Yamamoto, though ripped, also weighs very little. He's super toned, but not bulky.
It's from the bleach bootleg thing. I could post every single page, but I didn't see the point o_o
spacecat
08-21-2007, 09:59 AM
lol funny so Hitsu has more physical strength than a huge guy like Shunsui? And Unohana more than Aizen rofl no wonder everyone is so scared of her, she's a beast. And haha to ppl who degraded me for ranking her as one of the strongest at BF if this is correct. As PE said though many of these things have been shown to not matter. I can't help but feel they are a bit off personally...I mean did Kubo write it or just some random person who based it more on what he wants or popularity?
edit: btw the power levels do kinda match the card game...i hope they didn't just steal those from there.
Primera Espada
08-21-2007, 10:03 AM
it's IN the official bootleg.
If that is written by someone other than Kubo, who knows. BUt it is official bleach merch.
speedphantom
08-21-2007, 10:06 AM
I guess if thats the case we can't really take the numbers to be fact. Kubo would just get paid heaps for the rights to Bleach and the companies take care of the rest.
yanniv
08-21-2007, 10:33 AM
It has Kubo Tite's name on the credits page and it looks just like his art and his style. I would say it was him and to call it the official Bleach bootleg means it was mostly Kubo.
Shinrin
08-21-2007, 10:35 AM
So it really was the Captains stats...
THought so aswell at first but comparing Hitsu & Gin i ended up thinking that it was either the overall streangth of the division or the combo of Captain & Vice
Thx for telling which skill is which. Only one i knew was Kidoh since Zaraki=0
Byakuya
08-21-2007, 10:40 AM
I'm looking at this list and I'm just.. shocked.
Shinrin
08-21-2007, 10:43 AM
Should we assume that all the stats are from there basic forms?
Aka before Shikai & Bankai?
yanniv
08-21-2007, 10:56 AM
@Shinrin
Well, it says "Battle data: Captain's name" before every little diagram. So I would say it's the overall stats for each of the Captains.
cassoult
08-21-2007, 10:59 AM
I'm kind of surprised by Shunsui and Ukitake being so good at kidoh, mostly because they've never really given any indication of their ability to use it. And I'm confused by Hitsugaya's stats: are those his current stats or his potential, because we haven't exactly seen much evidence for such high ratings so far (I'm not saying he's weak, just that that chart seems a bit excessive).
Other than that: Gin's being absolutely consistent (all 80 in his stats) is kind of creepy - fits him perfectly. Haha for Zaraki's intellect rating and may I reiterate my love for Unohana.
spacecat
08-21-2007, 11:02 AM
Yeah of course it's mostly done by Kubo, the art is all done by Kubo, most pics in the second half of the book are directly from the manga @_@ It doesn't mean he sat and wrote every detail in it, he has slaves and editors for that xD
Shinrin
08-21-2007, 11:08 AM
Hmm... I still hope it's more of the team or div stats, but yeah sound more likely to be the Cap alone.
(that there seem to be some info from the div made me concider it even more)
So does it say anything about if this is there basic form or in a released form?
spacecat
08-21-2007, 11:24 AM
From what i see it just says fight statistics and then the captains name and then the statistics. It's just like in souls, a data sheet of each captain and vice only the vice doesn't have the stats. It seems to match pretty well the unreleased stats from the official card game which differs from the shiakai and bankai stats but it's not much to compare with so i dunno if it means unreleased but the page itself does not seem to mention.
Thanks for this PE. This is very interesting, and will probably both lead to and end many discussions about captains strength.
Now all I want to see would be the stats for a few other shinigami so we can really see how strong these captains are, right now all we can do is compare then to each other:D
Agmaster
08-21-2007, 12:06 PM
Can't be too right, since two powers > Kenpachi lost to Kenpachi. So, it's just meaningless food for the fans.
The eloquent counterstance is this obviously does not take into account battle experience, otherwise Hitsu'd be way lower and Ken way higher atleast.
Komamura never lost to Zaraki and Tousen lost one-on-one because he was overconfident and wasted time.
The numbers work well enough (although they prove nothing for later on, and won't help to predict anything)
Byakuya
08-21-2007, 12:11 PM
Hitsugaya should be near the bottom. It's a sin that he's above Ukitake >_>
Cookie-chan
08-21-2007, 12:16 PM
This is very interesting! I wonder if they are going to make an HM version of this one. I think that will be soooo cool! (With the Vizards too)
Ohh, how i wish they have rated the ex-shinigamis (Kisuke, Yorichi and Isshin) :D that would have been great.. :D
..yeah i know, I've been asking too much info.. kill me!! XD
yanniv
08-21-2007, 12:53 PM
So it turns out that the numbers are measurements of potential that the Captains can reach.
So Yamamoto has reached his full potential in all of those categories except physical strength. He still has room to grow in that area, in other words.
So the list isn't based on how strong they are to one another, but rather how they fair individually.
Jaina
08-21-2007, 02:30 PM
This is pretty cool. People have already pointed out ways in which the stats don't mean much (Komamura' defense vs. Aizen) and it's secondary canon anyway, so you can't just rely on the numbers given here, but I think it's a neat way of viewing the various strengths and growth potentials of the captains. Kidou skill is especially interesting to me since we haven't seen all the captains using it yet.
Cookie-chan
08-21-2007, 03:46 PM
I would love to see Unohana owning Ken-chan.. that would be awesome!! XD
Primera Espada
08-21-2007, 05:20 PM
So you're saying Yanniv that it's a percentage?
But then doesn't that mean Zaraki and Unohana have reached their limits? If that's so, that means Zaraki cannot grow.
Or, is what someone else said true, and these are unreleased only stats, and their reiatsu increase with shikai and bankai? I was under the impression there was no increase in reiatsu with bankai, there's just a high required reiatsu to control bankai.
yanniv
08-21-2007, 06:09 PM
The chart was a pretty basic overview. I think all the releases are included, though this is speculation on my part.
Look at Yamamoto, for example. He is maxed out on everything except for his physical strength. This means Yamamoto can only advance in physical strength now... his speed, defense, etc won't go up anymore because he has reached his full potential in those areas.
Shinrin
08-21-2007, 06:15 PM
Perhaps Yamamoto were stroger in Physical streangth years ago.
THough it's hard to tell.
We can see he got an old body, but...hmm...
Shadoblak
08-21-2007, 06:24 PM
Well style wins battles people (Or at least it should) Tousen fighting Zaraki with the nature of his ban kai was suicide in the making no matter how his stats stacked up...He didnt use his stats against him, but rather attacked him head on which was really kinda dumb given that zarakis a masochist with biceps in his sphincter
And we never saw the conclusion of kommamura's fight...
Anyway, Yamamoto and concievably unohana could have killed Aizen, thats why he escaped....The only thing that doesnt make sense are hitsu's stats....Maybe they should have included overall skill and experience.....since that is pretty important.....Ukitake has overall lower stats than some but i bet he knows a few quick-kill tricks eh?
spacecat
08-21-2007, 06:27 PM
Based on what i read of the pages i agree with yanniv, i think it means their personal potential cos it says something about individual maximum. The pages are made up of mostly old news unfortunately. Me and yan spent some time going over some, especially the Aizen one but it was going on about him teaching calligraphy classes at the academy more than anything interesting.
Dizzy
08-21-2007, 08:18 PM
Just for convenience:
Strength:
100 - Yamamoto, Unohana, Aizen, Komamura, Zaraki
90 - Byakuya, Shunsui, Ukitake
80 - Soifon, Gin, Hitsugaya
70 - Mayuri, Tousen
Defense:
100 - Yamamoto, Komamura
90 - Aizen, Shunsui, Ukitake
80 - Gin, Unohana, Hitsugaya, Zaraki
70 - Tousen, Mayuri
60- Soifon
Mobility:
100 - Yamamoto, Soifon
90 - Aizen, Byakuya, Shunsui, Hitsugaya
80 - Gin, Tousen
70 - Unohana, Ukitake
60 - Zaraki
40 - Komamura, Mayuri
Kidoh:
100 - Yamamoto, Unohana, Aizen, Shunsui, Mayuri, Ukitake
90 - Byakuya, Tousen, Hitsugaya
80 - Gin
60 - Soifon
50 - Komamura
0 - Zaraki
Intellect:
100 - Yamamoto, Unohana, Aizen, Mayuri, Ukitake
90 - Byakuya, Shunsui, Tousen
80 - Gin, Komamura, Hitsugaya
60 - Soifon
50 - Zaraki
Physical Strength:
100 - Soifon, Komamura, Zaraki
90 - Unohana
80 - Gin, Aizen, Hitsugaya
70 - Byakuya, Shunsui
60 - Yamamoto, Tousen
50 - Mayuri
40 - Ukitake
Overal:
560 - Yamamoto, Aizen
540 - Unohana
530 - Shunsui
510 - Byakuya
500 - Hitsugaya
490 - Ukitake
480 - Gin
470 - Komamura
460 - Soifon, Tousen
430 - Mayuri
390 - Zaraki
Shadoblak
08-21-2007, 08:25 PM
Thanks Diz thats MUCH more convenient! :D
Hm...seems that Kommamura probably could have beaten Kenpachi in his "Favorite game of carnage" sweet
Lady Scaper
08-21-2007, 09:16 PM
Well the only reason Ukitake is barely below Histugaya is because of Physical strength and mobility which I am sure has a lot to do with Ukitake having TB. So Ukitake is still Pwnsome.
Physical Strength would be... fighting ability? endurance? health? That stat confuses me somehow o_o;
Are you sure these are actual stats and not related to a game? Some of the numbers seem way off compared to the evidence we have...
Well I think we should take those stats for what they are. stats, and nothing more ;)
cookies
08-22-2007, 12:06 AM
Go Unohana!!! This explains a lot about the confrontation she had with Aizen. but other than that, very cool info
aquavit
08-22-2007, 02:41 AM
Thanks Primera Espada. These stats are really interesting. No wonder the 11th Division is scared of Unohana.
lala~
08-22-2007, 04:26 AM
yay! i registered!
uh anyways, this is really interesting though it might not be all correct. these are individual potentials right? so it doesn't ACTUALLY mean that they are there. just that they could at their current state.
I think those are actual stats. I mean, It DOES sound kinda weird when you look at it and compare with battles that happened, but many other factors aren't included, such as the nature of each person's zanpakutou, the fighting styles, ...
I think it shows more like who is better than who at what, but it won't really show you if X person can beat Y person in a battle.
spacecat
08-22-2007, 07:28 AM
I think it shows more like who is better than who at what, but it won't really show you if X person can beat Y person in a battle.
Yeah exactly its not really a ranking system of who could beat who at all it just says where each individuals abilities lie. It isn't really much to go on to decide who would beat who, as we already know based on fights we have seen.
Amadeus
08-22-2007, 03:34 PM
Is this going to be fully or partially translated anytime soon?
EDIT: Can a DL for the RAW of this be put up? I have the link but I don't know what the rules for posting bootlegged material here are.
jb254
08-25-2007, 11:15 PM
Hah, I love how Tousen, with a higher intellect than Zaraki, got outsmarted by him.
I like this chart, because it could explain how Kubo decides the way a fight develops.
Tousen's bankai was a kidoh type, which gave him a quick advantage over Zaraki. However, once Zaraki figured out how to break the spell, kidoh was no longer a part of the equation in the fight. So if you take away the kidoh stat from Tousen, his stats are lower than Zaraki's. Zaraki wins!
What's really interesting is that Komamura has huge strength and defense stats. This is most likely why Aizen attacked him with a kidoh instead of attacking him with his sword, since that seems to be Komamura weakness.
Gin and Histugaya were pretty even in their fight. Gin was, however, just a little bit slower, and was very slightly hurt by Histugaya's ice attack (a kidoh type of attack). This is perfectly explained by the stats, since Histugaya ranks only a tad bit higher than Gin in the mobility and kidoh stats.
furato
08-26-2007, 07:19 AM
EDIT: Can a DL for the RAW of this be put up? I have the link but I don't know what the rules for posting bootlegged material here are.
As scans from JUMP are already being shared on a weekly basis here, I don't think you even need to ask. ^__^
The stats kinda lose their point if they're relative measures, but I can see how the powers that be prefers not to give absolute points, which may be off-putting to fans tired of DBZ allusions. And for someone like Hitsugaya, for example, as a young prodigy captain I'd expect him to have his relative stats at the low, because it means he can be even more impressive than now.
Wondering where we can put Ichigo in here...
aznxenocide
08-26-2007, 07:23 AM
a) Unohana has more physical strength than Gin? o.O
b) Shunsui has as much kidou ability as Byakuya...huh.
c) LOL Ken has 0 kidou. And 50 intellect. XD
Strength and Physical strength are different in what ways? Physical strength is just like, their brute strength, right? So then Strength would be...overall?
furato
08-26-2007, 07:50 AM
I've seen strength there translated as "offence" and physical strength as "fitness".
Byakuya
08-26-2007, 11:04 AM
The fact that Shunsui is great at kidou doesn't surprise me one bit, he's had plenty of time mastering his abilities, being one of the first captains.
I find it rather sad that Hitsugaya doesn't have much more room for improvement. >_>
jb254
08-27-2007, 02:03 AM
I've seen strength there translated as "offence" and physical strength as "fitness".
I think that makes the most sense. Ichigo had a lot of power in the Byakuya fight, but reached his limit a short time later. Some characters may not be very powerful, but if they can last a longer time during a fight without reaching their limits, they could have an advantage.
In other words, physical strength = endurance, I think.
speedphantom
08-27-2007, 02:42 AM
The fact that Shunsui is great at kidou doesn't surprise me one bit, he's had plenty of time mastering his abilities, being one of the first captains.
I find it rather sad that Hitsugaya doesn't have much more room for improvement. >_>This shouldn't really be trusted since some random guy made it up for the book, not Kubo himself. We know the figures aren't true representations of all the characters.
aznxenocide
08-27-2007, 02:45 AM
Wait so this isn't official??
Where'd these numbers come from then?
So random..
Even if they are "officially" published,
I'm not going to take these data as canon material.
Zelos
08-28-2007, 12:01 AM
i thought Hitsugaya would have a higher intellect since hes referred to as a boy genius or a strategist or something along those lines (sorry, its been a while >.< cant remember exact wordings lol).
He's a boy genius because he's a captain at such a young age.
But being a boy genius doesn't make him any smarter than the average captain:).
Hah, I love how Tousen, with a higher intellect than Zaraki, got outsmarted by him.
I like this chart, because it could explain how Kubo decides the way a fight develops.
Tousen's bankai was a kidoh type, which gave him a quick advantage over Zaraki. However, once Zaraki figured out how to break the spell, kidoh was no longer a part of the equation in the fight. So if you take away the kidoh stat from Tousen, his stats are lower than Zaraki's. Zaraki wins!
Tousen was overconfident though.. he talked way too much and Zaraki took advantage of it ;) (you can't just sell off the weakness of your bankai like that!!)
Michsi
09-05-2007, 11:14 AM
What I don't understand here is why reiatsu means the same thing as kidou. I always thought that kidou where forms of spell based on reiatsu or something like that and that reiatsu or spiritual pressure is something like ki/chi (a persons spiritual force or inner strength etc.) and Kenpahi should have alot more then most captains but his is 0 (wtf?) Ithink there's something wrong here
reiatsu is listed as strength, it is seperate from kido
Michsi
09-09-2007, 07:50 AM
i thought that "strength" meant physical strength, which should explain why Soi Fon is on par with Kenpachi well I took this from this site :http://community.livejournal.com/bleachness/59600.html
Primera Espada
09-09-2007, 08:11 AM
there's a physical strength stat, and a strength stat.
so obviously, strength can't mean physical strength o.O
Michsi
09-09-2007, 10:40 AM
oops ,I just read dizzy's post again and saw my mistake, as I said I took the information from that site where strength was translatated as Offensive power and reiatsu was in the same category as kidoh , i guess it makes more sense now :p
Kweck
09-09-2007, 10:44 AM
I think strength is both reiatsu lvl and offensive skill, while psyhical strength is stamina.
That would explain why Ukitake is so low in psyhical cause of his TB.
Kidou cant be reiatsulvl, cause no way in hell Kenpachi has 0 in reiatsulvl.
Kidou must simply mean how experienced you are in kidou.
My thoughts ;)
Kurouno
09-27-2007, 04:31 AM
Yeah, I'm guessing strength would be simply offense. In most manga, offense is simply a mix of physical strength + spirit energy. In Bleach, Reiatsu seems to be interchangeable with the above-mentioned offense. So it is probably easier to just call it DPS (damage per strike).
Kidou has to be skill with Kidou, or spells.
Physical strength would be health, stamina, HP, etc.
The way Byakuya's shunpo is, I would've thought it would be more like 95, as they often make it seem like his shunpo is better than the average. But overall, I think the stats seem fairly accurate.
One thing I've been wondering, and feel free to disagree with me, but 100 means that that sould is maxed out in the area correct. Well I doubt that all souls have the exact same limits in each are, so one characters 90 in any area could be stronger than anothers 100 in the same area.
Hurley
09-27-2007, 03:37 PM
Made this quick to help ppl see differance in overall stats.
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3056/statsif4.jpg
Anyway i think tis pretty cool, but stats do seem to be a little off. No way is Ken-Chan so low. im hoping it is just there percentage oh how close they are to there max potential. meansing Ken Chan is awesome and still has a long way to go.
Kolbertt
09-27-2007, 10:35 PM
haha .p
so besides Yamamoto and Aizen the strongest person in whole soul society is:
MOTHER UNOHANA!!! XP
beware the utter stingray of doom!!
stark espada
09-27-2007, 10:39 PM
On that list there or a lot i do not agree with like zarki and sajin being so low and yammato should be over exceding the bar aizen should be a bit lower gin should be to the kid toshi should be lower.
ulquihime_baby
09-29-2007, 02:22 AM
wow, this is suprising!!!
Kurouno
09-29-2007, 10:52 PM
Uuuh, WTF? Why wouldn't one expect Zaraki to be low in the rating? I mean, seriously, he has no talent in Kido and he says himself that he's lacking in common sense so the intel. is a bit low. Having those things boosts the ranking. It makes perfect sense that he's low in the rankings.
The totals are geared toward total all-around stats. Iba (Komamura's Vice-Captain) decided to be an all-around guy to raise his chances of becoming a Vice-Captain, as his totals would be higher because he wouldn't have zeroes in his stats like Zaraki does. If any stat has a zero in its place in anything that adds up numbers, then its perfectly logical that someone like Zaraki would be low in the rankings. Its not that hard.
Also, I had a feeling Unohana would be madd strong, since her weapon seems to be a nodachi of all things. Those things are heavy.
ZarakiKenpachi
10-01-2007, 01:36 AM
....that kinda hurt my feelings guy.....
behehehe not really i dont need kido
Kurouno
10-01-2007, 02:15 AM
LoL. Alright, maybe that was worded a tad harsh. In Zaraki's defense, having a lower total and not being well-rounded doesn't always mean he's doomed should he fight someone with a higher total. A high total didn't do a whole lot for Tousen and he fought Komamura (someone with similar stats and the addition of Kidou) to what we could assume to be a draw. So yes, it makes sense Zaraki has a low total, but numbers don't dictate victory in Bleach, now do they? ^__^
Mr.Azn
10-10-2007, 07:16 PM
how is unohana stronger than byakukya?
Mr.Azn- she beats him in most stats, that helps:p. Nowhere in the series is it ever said that Byakuya is the strongest captain, nor does it say Unohana is weak
And just because Unohana ranks higher in overall stats doesn't mean that she would win (or lose) in a fight with Byakuya
tari101190
10-11-2007, 06:18 AM
i was gonna post that i dnt get this or agree...but after reading all the posts and looking at otherstuff i think the opposite now.
so thannks for this info/stats on the captains. the table helps the most. thanks for sharing the info every1 who did...
i guess it shows that all the captains are around similar levels, while some exceed in certain areas more than others...atleast thats what i think.
if you were to make up stats for other characters such as ichigo, urhara, yoruichi, chad, ishida etc...what stats would you give them? i'll post my ideas later i guess...
btw i also have the bootleg scans. they're in japanese...but you dn't need japaneses to look at a hexagon with the stats onit.
Primera Espada
10-11-2007, 06:39 AM
My guesses
Ichigo
strength: 90
defense: 80
mobility: 80 (this is regular, not bankai)
kidoh: 0
intellect: 70
physical fitness (someone translated it this way): 90
Total : 410
Renji :
strength: 80
defense: 80
mobility: 70
kidoh: 30
intellect: 70
physical fitness: 90
Total : 420
Rukia
strength: 60
defense: 60
mobility: 80
kidoh: 80
intellect: 80
physical fitness: 60
Total : 420
yoruichi
strength: 90
defense: 70
mobility: 100
kidoh: 60
intellect: 80
physical fitness: 100
Total : 500
Urahara
strength: 90
defense: 90
mobility: 100
kidoh: 100
intellect: 100
physical fitness: 80
Total : 560
Primera Espada- those guesses seem really resonable:hug
the only difference i'd make is rank Yoruichi higher in Kido, but other than that I agree with all your numbers
TheRedPriest
10-11-2007, 04:43 PM
Shouldn't Espada/Arrancar/Vizards have higher numbers? If we assume the "100" is the max a Shinigami can have (based on the numbers being xxx out of 100) then any of the hybreds should have maxes that go beyond 100. More over, I would think their stats should be very close to the non hybred cap in many cases. An example assuming being hybredized raises the max cap from 100 to 200:
Ulquiorra
strength: 120
defense: 100
mobility: 130
kidoh: 80 (can arrancar even USE Kido?)
intellect: 150
physical strength: 120
Total : 700
Now I didn't really put a lot of thought into what the actual numbers might be , but I think it still illustrates my point. >_>
tari101190
10-11-2007, 04:51 PM
my guesses editted:
Ichigo
strength:90
defense: 80
mobility: 100
kidoh: 0
intellect: 80
physical strength: 80
Total: 430
-he is 23/322 smartest in his school
Hollow Ichigo
strength: 100
defense: 100
mobility: 100
kidoh: 0
intellect: 80
physical strength: 100
Total: 480
- i assume hollow ichigo will have higher stats cos he has a major reiatsu increase when the hollow mask is on
Rukia
strength: 70
defense: 70
mobility: 70
kidoh: 80
intellect: 80
physical strength: 50
Total: 370
Ishida
strength: 70
defense: 60
mobility: 80
kidoh: 90
intellect: 100
physical strength: 70
Total: 470
-quincy magic is like kidoh i guess
Chad
strength: 80
defense: 80
mobility: 60
kidoh: 0
intellect: 80
physical strength: 90
Total: 390
-he is ranked 11/322 smartest in the school
-he can keep up with the speed of a privaron espada
Urahara
strength: 90
defense: 80
mobility: 80
kidoh: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 80
Total: 530
Yoruichi
strength: 80
defense: 60
mobility: 100
kidoh: 90
intellect: 90
physical strength: 100
Total: 520
Renji
strength: 80
defense: 80
mobility: 70
kidoh: 30
intellect: 60
physical strength: 80
Total: 400
Ikkaku
strength: 90
defense: 90
mobility: 70
kidoh: 0
intellect: 70
physical strength: 90
Total: 410
Yammy
strength: 80
defense: 70
mobility: 60
hollow abilities: 90
intellect: 40
physical strength: 90
Total: 430
Aaroniero
strength: 80
defense: 70
mobility: 80
hollow abilities: 80
intellect: 80
physical strength: 80
Total: 470
Szayel
strength: 70
defense: 60
mobility: 70
hollow abilites: 70
intellect: 100
physical strength: 60
Total: 400
Luppi
strength: 90
defense: 60
mobility: 70
hollow abilites: 50
intellect: 70
physical strength: 90
Total: 430
Grimmjow
strength: 90
defense: 80
mobility: 100
hollow abilites: 80
intellect: 70
physical strength: 80
Total: 500
Nnoitra
strength: 90
defense: 100
mobility: 60
hollow abilites: 90
intellect: 70
physical strength: 100
Total: 520
Ulquiorra
strength: 100
defense: 100
mobility: 90
hollow abilites: 90
intellect: 90
physical strength: 80
Total: 550
official captain stats
Yamamoto
strength: 100
defense: 100
mobility: 100
kido: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 60
Total : 560
Soi Fong
strength: 80
defense: 60
mobility: 100
kido: 60
intellect: 60
physical strength: 100
total: 460
Ichimaru Gin
strength: 80
defense: 80
mobility: 80
kido: 80
intellect: 80
physical strength: 80
total: 480
Unohana
strength: 100
defense: 80
mobility: 70
kido: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 90
total: 540
Aizen
strength: 100
defense: 90
mobility: 90
kido:100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 80
total: 560
Byakuya
strength: 90
defense: 80
mobility: 90
kido: 90
intellect: 90
physical strength: 70
total: 510
Komamura
strength: 100
defense: 100
mobility: 40
kido: 50
intellect: 80
physical strength: 100
total: 470
Shunsui
strength: 90
defense: 90
mobility: 90
kido: 100
intellect: 90
physical strength: 70
total: 530
Tousen
strength: 70
defense: 70
mobility: 80
kido: 90
intellect: 90
physical strength: 60
total: 460
Histugaya
strength: 80
defense: 80
mobility: 90
kido: 90
intellect: 80
physical strength: 80
total: 500
Zaraki
strength: 100
defense: 80
mobility: 60
kido: 0
intellect: 50
physical strength: 100
total: 390
Mayuri
strength: 70
defense: 70
mobility: 40
kido: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 50
total: 430
Ukitake
strength: 90
defense: 90
mobility: 70
kido: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 40
total: 490
i like these ranking things cos it shows us overall how a characters stats will be. you can determine how powerful they are by looking at their overall stats, but to compare indiviual characters you must look at individual stats though.
i assume all captain level characters have around an overall total of 400-500 point stats - like the captains, the espada and other captain level characters.
TheRedPriest- I think that'd only be for the four main types of combat (whcih relates to msot of the stats but not all)
tari101190- I think that becoming an arrancar/vizard just pushes the limit, so they wouldn't have to be maxed out when they become arrancar/vizard, but they wouldbe much stronger if they were.
final random point- Hollows/arrancar have cero/bala which is like their "kido" so you can rank them based on that
Primera Espada
10-12-2007, 04:18 AM
A good way to look at arrancars is to replace kidoh with "special abilities" such as Nel's healing, Arroniero's ability to absorb hollows, Ulquiorra's hole reiatsu trick, etc
Also, a vaizard would basically allow for that ONE stat, strength, to increase. All the rest don't really apply. Also Arrancar wouldn't have this, as Arrancar do not increase in power through arrancarization itself, they just are allowed to gain power through battle as oppossed to eating souls. This means they *could* go higher, but honestly, we've not seen any who have. In fact, same with vaizards.
Yammy
strength: 80
defense: 80
mobility: 60
Abilities: 10
intellect: 40
physical fitness: 100
Total : 370
Arroniero
strength: 100 (if his claims are to be believed)
defense: 60
mobility: 70
Abilities: 50
intellect: 60
physical fitness: 70
Total : 420
Szayel:
strength: 70
defense: 70
mobility: 70
Abilities: 70
intellect: 90
physical fitness: 70
Total : 440
Grimmjow
strength: 80
defense: 90
mobility: 90
Abilities: 20
intellect: 70
physical fitness: 90
Total : 440
Nnoitra
strength: 90
defense: 90
mobility: 90
Abilities: 10
intellect: 70
physical fitness: 90
Total : 440
Ulquiorra
strength: 90
defense: 100
mobility: 90
Abilities: 40
intellect: 80
physical fitness: 70
Total : 470
Neliel
strength: 80
defense: 70
mobility: 80
Abilities: 70
intellect: 70
physical fitness: 70
Total : 440
Dordonii
strength: 60
defense: 60
mobility: 70
Abilities: 20
intellect: 60
physical fitness: 80
Total : 350
Cirucci
strength: 60
defense: 60
mobility: 70
Abilities: 10
intellect: 60
physical fitness: 60
Total : 320
Gantembein
strength: 70
defense: 60
mobility: 50
Abilities: 20
intellect: 60
physical fitness: 80
Total : 340
Luppi
strength: 75
defense: 75
mobility: 75
Abilities: 10
intellect: 60
physical fitness: 60
Total : 355 (I really felt I had to go halfway on some of Luppis, cause he seems comparable to the others but not QUITE their equals)
Shawlong
strength: 70
defense: 60
mobility: 60
Abilities: 10
intellect: 80
physical fitness: 60
Total : 340
Edorad
strength: 60
defense: 60
mobility: 50
Abilities: 30
intellect: 60
physical fitness: 80
Total : 340
Il Forte
strength: 70
defense: 60
mobility: 70
Abilities: 0
intellect: 40
physical fitness: 70
Total : 310
Droy
strength: 50
defense: 60
mobility: 60
Abilities: 10
intellect: 40
physical fitness: 60
Total : 290
Nakim
strength: 50
defense: 60
mobility: 40
Abilities: 0
intellect: 40
physical fitness: 50
Total : 240
tari101190
10-12-2007, 04:48 AM
i dn't agree 100% with those rankings cos the espada should be captain level guys overall with their stats. captain level stats would be 400-500 (give or take), while noneof your stats reach 500.
the captains would over power the espada looking at your indiviual stats guesses too. for example...ulquiorra has shown he can defend against ichigo's strongest attack with hardly any damage. this shows me his defence and hllow abilites (hierro) wuld be very high, atleast higher than ichigo.
Primera Espada
10-12-2007, 06:25 AM
I'd like to point out that the espada as I've listed are comparable to the weaker 6 captains in the original list (390 - 490 for captains, 350-450 for espada)
The continual lagging that is caused mostly by several characters emphasis on brute strength over intelligence (Yammy, Nnoitra, Arroniero) combined with characters lack of emphasis on abilities (Yammy, Nnoitra, Grimmjow).
I mean, if you compare Ulquiorra to Byakuya, for instance.
I'll edit a couple though, some I guess I gave too low a score to strength, and physical fitness (ups a few by 10 points in each)
Edit: There, now espada are 370 to 470. The top 3 espada probably rank in the 500s, and assuming that there is no espada equal to aizen, yamamoto, or unohana's strength, having the last 3 end up being something like 530, 510, and 500 is quite likely, balancing them about even with Soul Society. Also remember, after this arc we are likely to see a few more powerful arrancars arise to fill the empty spots in the espada, so a couple high 400, low 500 are possible. Who knows what wanderweiss is, but based soley on him only paying attention to Urahara, he's quite high.
tari101190
10-12-2007, 11:39 AM
Reiatsu: Utilization of one's personal reiatsu to a certain extent.
Defense: Probably a combination of defensive combat abilities, reiatsu and
physical durability.
Mobility: Combination of shunpo and physical agility.
Kidou: Combination of knowledge and usage of demon arts.
Intellect: Combination of knowledge, experience and intelligence. The term
"knowledge" includes combat and non-combat knowledge, like history,
healing, etc. Anything academical and related to Soul Society in
general.
Strength: Physical strength and durability. Also represents a shinigami's
stamina.
found a more detailed aversion of the captains info and stats.
Yamamoto-Genryuusei Shigekuni
Height: 168 cm (5' 6")
Weight: 52 kg (115 lb)
Reiatsu: 100
Defense: 100
Mobility: 100
Kidou: 100
Intellect: 100
Strength: 60
Total: 560
Comment: As the captain of the 1st division, leader of the Gotei 13 and the oldest known shinigami of Soul Society, he comes the closest to perfection.
He has reached his maximum potential in almost every area, except for his own physical strength. It seems, he's capable of fully exerting his reiatsu to the highest possible point he could possibly reach. Defense and mobility (shunpo) are also mastered, which means, he has to be technically extremely well versed.
He probably can use the demon arts to the highest level and his knowledge is probably unmatched, probably mostly due to his age and experience.
His physical strength is pretty far away from his peak, compared to other areas. This might be because:
a) of his age
or
b) he never actually reached his physical peak, for whatever reason.
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Soifon
Height: 150 cm (4' 11")
Weight: 38 kg (83.8 lb)
Reiatsu: 80
Defense: 60
Mobility: 100
Kidou: 60
Intellect: 60
Strength: 100
Total: 460
Comment: Formerly Yoruichi's avid servant, she became the leader of the second division and also the Special Force. Her most dangerous weapons are her speed and her zanpakutou's special ability, Suzumebachi.
Apparently, Soifon can utilize her reiatsu pretty well. There's not much more room left to improve her spiritual strength. And surprisingly, she actually seems to be at her physical peak. Her focus lies in her agility rather than defense - given that's she looks pretty fragile, which indicates low durability -, demon arts and knowledge. This means, her fighting style is heavily centered around fast melee at close range, given her special ability.
It's not too farfetched to believe that Soifon successfully succeeded or even surpassed Yoruichi as the "Goddess of Flash", given that she outsped her former mistress in the most recent encounter.
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Ichimaru Gin
Height: 185 cm (6' 1")
Weight: 69 kg (152 lb)
Reiatsu: 80
Defense: 80
Mobility: 80
Kidou: 80
Intellect: 80
Strength: 80
Total: 480
Comment: Captain of the 3rd division, he's a very mysterious person, he's kind of the Yakushi Kabuto of Bleach. The right hand of the main villain and no hint to his true goals.
There's not much to say to his stats, except that he's extremely well rounded and comes relatively close to his own peak. The classical well-rounded fighter without coming to perfection anywhere. Anyone, who knows Judeau from Berserk, knows what I'm talking about. Good, but not perfect.
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Unohana Retsu
Height: 159 cm (5' 3")
Weight: 45 kg (99.2 lb)
Reiatsu: 100
Defense: 80
Mobility: 70
Kidou: 100
Intellect: 100
Strength: 90
Total: 540
Comment: A very calm and well-mannered person, Unohana is the leader of the fourth division. She's apparently a specialized medical shinigami, which is no surprise as it seems that the fourth division's work revolves mainly around medical and restoring issues.
The main surprises in her stats are the reiatsu and strength scores. Despite her appearance, she's obviously no slouch in the power department. The use of reiatsu is maxed out, and she's very close to her physical peak.
She's an expert in demon arts and seems highly knowledgeable, and it appears that the mobility department is obviously not her focus.
Judging from the stats, she seems to be a tank with an arsenal of extremely powerful missiles. http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Unohana_Retsu.jpg[/IMG]"]http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Unohana_Retsu.jpg
Aizen Sousuke
Height: 186 cm (6' 1")
Weight: 74 kg (163 lb)
Reiatsu: 100
Defense: 90
Mobility: 90
Kidou: 100
Intellect: 100
Strength: 80
Total: 560
Comment: The main villain of Bleach, he's the former captain of the fifth division and the current leader of a group named "Arrancars". He's apparently planning on annihilating the world's population in order to access the Ou Ken, so that he could lay his hand on the widely unknown royal family of Soul Society.
Obviously, he's a reiatsu monster. He seemingly possesses vast knowledge in demon arts, though it has been shown that he's not fully mastered it yet. He also seems to be a master of deceiving and strategy.
The biggest surprise in my eyes is that his strength has the lowest score of all areas. Even though he blocked an attack from Bankai Ichigo with a mere finger. And we haven't seen how far his powers really go. Makes you wonder, what kind of monster he actually is.
Defense and mobility is close to perfection, he can't grow much more in those areas.http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Aizen_Sousuke.jpg[/IMG]"]http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Aizen_Sousuke.jpg
Kuchiki Byakuya
Height: 180 cm (5' 11")
Weight: 64 kg (141 lb)
Reiatsu: 90
Defense: 80
Mobility: 90
Kidou: 90
Intellect: 90
Strength: 70
Total: 510
Comment: Captain of the 6th division, older (not blood-related) brother of Kuchiki Rukia - which is the younger sister of Byakuya's deceased wife - and member of the noble family Kuchiki. Calm and cold, he bears kind of a superiority complex, that is very typical for a nobleman.
Obviously, he's not the physical monster, which is emphasized by the nature of his zanpakutou's abilities. Rather, he's highly developed himself to be an all-around captain and was quite successful in doing so.
His use of reiatsu is close to maximum, his agility and use of demon arts is also excellent. His defense, which probably comes mostly from his skill, is very good, too. And also, he apparently has acquired quite a bit of knowledge.http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Kuchiki_Byakuya.jpg[/IMG]"] http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Kuchiki_Byakuya.jpg
Komamura Sajin
Height: 288 cm (9' 5")
Weight: 301 kg (664 lb)
Reiatsu: 100
Defense: 100
Mobility: 40
Kidou: 50
Intellect: 80
Strength: 100
Total: 470
Comment: The leader of the 7th division, he's a giant bulk with a fox-like appearance. Apparently, he feels deeply indebted to Yamamoto and is willing to serve under his command without questions.
He used to be a close friend of Tousen and probably still feels that way.
Without a doubt, Komamura is a real tank. A big one. Reiatsu, defense and strength are all at their maximum. Judging from his bulky figure, he probably isn't the technically well-versed person, so his maximum defense probably comes from durability. Needless to say, that he probably isn't the type to move around in combat, so he has a pretty low score in mobility.
He seems to be somwhat proficient with demon arts to a lesser extent and his high score in the intellectual area indicates that he's very well-educated despite his savage look. http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Komamura_Sajin.jpg[/IMG]"]http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Komamura_Sajin.jpg
Kyouraku Shunsui
Height: 192 cm (6' 4")
Weight: 87 kg (192 lb)
Reiatsu: 90
Defense: 90
Mobility: 90
Kidou: 100
Intellect: 90
Strength: 70
Total: 530
Comment: An easy-going man and always failing at advancing his own vice-captain, he's the captain of the 8th division. He's considered to be one of the best pupils Soul Society ever spawned, along with Ukitake.
He makes pretty good use of his potentials. Reiatsu, defense and mobility are all close to their peaks. He probably knows all about demon arts and uses them well, but it's not known if he's fully mastered them yet. He's also seemingly very knowledgeable, probably in a more general area.
Like Byakuya, he's not the physical monster, but is no slouch either. He's probably comparable to an accomplished athlet in the decathlon area rather than to a trained martial artist. I suspect that Shunsui could be physically a good deal stronger if he weren't a lazy bum. http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Kyouraku_Shunsui.jpg[/IMG]"]http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Kyouraku_Shunsui.jpg
Tousen Kaname
Height: 176 cm (5' 9")
Weight: 61 kg (134 lb)
Reiatsu: 70
Defense: 70
Mobility: 80
Kidou: 90
Intellect: 90
Strength: 60
Total: 460
Comment: One of the very few dark skinned/black characters in Bleach, he's the captain of the ninth division. Probably the only shinigami who managed to become a captain with the curse of blindness. He was befriended with Komamura before he turned out to be Aizen's subordinate.
At first glance, Tousen seems to be an overall relatively unimpressive captain. At second glance, however, one will notice that his greatest strengths seemingly lie in knowledge and magic (demon arts).
There's a good deal of potential to grasp in the reiatsu department. Seeing as he's an obviously skilled combatant and yet his defense score isn't very close to its best, he probably lacks some durability. This is emphasized by his even lower strength score, which means, he doesn't use his potential of his physical prowess too much. There's a lot of room for him to improve. http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Tousen_Kaname.jpg[/IMG]"]http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Tousen_Kaname.jpg
Hitsugaya Toushirou
Height: 133 cm (4' 4")
Weight: 28 kg (61.7 lb)
Reiatsu: 80
Defense: 80
Mobility: 90
Kidou: 90
Intellect: 80
Strength: 80
Total: 500
Comment: The youngest shinigami in the history of Soul Society to ever become a captain and to achieve bankai, Hitsugaya is the leader of the 10th division. He's an extremely talentend and well-versed shinigami, which as a lot of self-confidence and pride, which he has all the reason to.
As stated before, Hitsugaya is another classical example of a very well-versed captain, who comes close to perfection overall.
He's apparently very good at exerting reiatsu and has good defenses. My strong guess is, that spiritual power, skill and physical attributes all equally contribute to his defensive capabilities. Perfectly fits his overall versatility.
His strongest disciplines are mobility and kidou, they are very close to his personal peak. He's gained almost perfect control over shunpo and is very agile. He's able to bring out his strength very well, too.
His high intellect score tells, that he's quite the fast learner and seems to have a good amount of overall knowledge.
However, as a matter of fact, he's still just a kid. Meaning, as time passes and he will grow into an adult, he has much more potential to grasp than one could see from his current stats. http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Hitsugaya_Toushirou.jpg[/IMG]"]http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Hitsugaya_Toushirou.jpg
Zaraki Kenpachi
Height: 202 cm (6' 8")
Weight: 90 kg (198 lb)
Reiatsu: 100
Defense: 80
Mobility: 60
Kidou: 0
Intellect: 50
Strength: 100
Total: 390
Comment: Once a nameless wanderer from the lawless outskirts of Soul Society, he gave himself the name he's currently known under. By defeating and killing the previous captain of the 11th division, he became the new one.
He's an unique character in Bleach, as he's the only shinigami in the history of Soul Society to have aquired the rank of a captain without possessing bankai, due to the fact that he doesn't know his zanpakutou's name.
He has a close relationship to his vice-captain, Kusajishi Yachriu, probably the only person in his life he ever cares about.
He's a reiatsu monster. His inability to control, respectively to seal his spiritual pressure enables him to bring out the maximum possible amount of power without even trying. Without even knowing any shikai abilities, he chops large buildings with his sword with just spiritual pressure alone. Physically he's also at his peak, which fits the sheer durability he has shown.
His defense is very close to its best, but seeing as Kenpachi is a very offensive type and doesn't seem to care about getting hurt and yet has a high defense score, it probably comes from his insane durability. I would compare him to a giant bazooka of the size of a skyscraper.
His mobility is a good deal away from his best, probably because of the lack of shunpo. Given that Ichigo was able to outrun Kenpachi, even though Ichigo didn't have shunpo till he learned bankai, Kenpachi either never uses shunpo or simply doesn't know how to do so. Either way, it means that he's not the type to maneuver around, so it perfectly fits his straightforward personality and combat style.
His intellect score is pretty low, the lowest of all the captains. In other words, he's not exactly the scholar type. He's not the most stupid person, but he's not the brightest either. He's more the cunning guy rather than the smart one.
And lastly, he totally sucks at kidou. http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Zaraki_Kenpachi.jpg[/IMG]"]http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Zaraki_Kenpachi.jpg
Kurotsuchi Mayuri
Height: 174 cm (5' 9")
Weight: 54 kg (119 lb)
Reiatsu: 70
Defense: 70
Mobility: 40
Kidou: 100
Intellect: 100
Strength: 50
Total: 430
Comment: Captain of the 12th division and the current president of the Shinigami Research Institute, he's the most sick bastard in Bleach. As a shinigami, who opens one's brain while that person is still alive and who forces someone to burn his own son to death, he lacks empathy and common courtesy by a thousand miles.
He even artificially created his daughter, Kurotsuchi Nemu, and abuses her physically, when displeased. It's not clear, whether or not he used parts of his own body to create Nemu, but either way, he's one hell of a sicko. And his fashion taste incredibly sucks, too.
As one can see from his stats and his statements in his fight against Ishida, he's not the melee type. Not that he wouldn't know how to utilize his reiatsu and totally lacks defense, but he's not excelling in those areas either. But his special regeneration abilities makes up for a lot of his defense.
As the intellectual type, it's no surprise, that he's only halfway up there in the strength field. Theoretically, he could be twice as strong, if he would put his efforts on it. But that's not his style anyway.
And his mobility, as expected, is pretty far away from the maximum. According to him, shunpo is a very tiring task for him, hence it makes sense that he gets a low score, especially when he's not the type to go into melee. He probably simply doesn't feel compelled to improve his mobility capabilities.
His full scores in demon arts and intellect indicate that he values knowledge as the most important source of power. Without a doubt, his knowledge of anything related to medical research and science in general is extensive. How well he's proficient with demon arts, is unknown, because like most of the captains, he hasn't shown any sort of kidou. But it has to be on a high level. http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Kurotsuchi_Mayuri.jpg[/IMG]"]http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Kurotsuchi_Mayuri.jpg
Ukitake Juushirou
His stats:
Height: 187 cm (6' 2")
Weight: 72 kg (159 lb)
Reiatsu: 90
Defense: 90
Mobility: 70
Kidou: 100
Intellect: 100
Strength: 40
Total: 490
Comment: Commander of the 13th division, Rukia's superior and described as a "decent man" by Yoruichi, he's probably the captain held back the most in all of Soul Society. He suffers from tuberculosis. He's respected by Yamamoto for being one of the best pupils Soul Society has ever seen, along with Shunsui.
Like Shunsui, Ukitake comes close to his peak in terms of reiatsu and defense. Seeing as how low his strength score is, due to his illness, his defensive capabilities must come from reiatsu and skill for the most part.
The mobility department has the second lowest score, most likely because of his illness, but it's still much closer to the peak. If he weren't sick, the particular score would probably go up to 90 or even 100, which means, that he must have been on the top before he got sick.
Ukitake's body is far, far away from its peak, due to his illness. If he were ever to recover his strength, his defense and mobility would probably go up quite a bit.
Kidou and intellect get full scores, which fits Yamamoto's praise of him being one of the best pupils he's ever known. He's never shown to use any demon arts, but he probably has full knowledge of them and can use them at a high level. Extensive knowledge of anything related to Soul Society in general and academical issues is also likely. http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Ukitake_Juushirou.jpg[/IMG]"]http://www.freewebs.com/mickymanga/Ukitake_Juushirou.jpg
mitzibe
10-12-2007, 01:32 PM
Yamamoto
strength: 100
defense: 100
mobility: 100
kidoh: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 60
Total : 560
Mannnnn, he is supah daddy.
Byakuya
strength: 90
defense: 80
mobility: 90
kidoh: 90
intellect: 90
physical strength: 70
total: 510
Mr.Handsome is delicate. Yowza.
Histugaya
strength: 80
defense: 80
mobility: 90
kidoh: 90
intellect: 80
physical strength: 80
total: 500
Only 80!? I thought he is this 'tensai' 'tensai' ?! What a disappointment.
Zaraki
strength: 100
defense: 80
mobility: 60
kidoh: 0
intellect: 50
physical strength: 100
total: 390
HA HA. Ken chan is stoooopid.
Mayuri
strength: 70
defense: 70
mobility: 40
kidoh: 100
intellect: 100
physical strength: 50
total: 430
One word, dewd. Sssss-sloth.
Primera Espada
10-13-2007, 02:50 AM
Tari, you wanna say where you got that info from? It's not a translation as far as I can tell, it seems like what someone's summarized/theorized.
It seems like someone was trying to explain why they think who got what number:headscratch
it doesn't seem right to me, but maybe it is:D
mitzibe
10-13-2007, 04:54 PM
I wish someone can translate Yamaji. He's da supah daddy. I like it when he burned Nanao-chan to the ground with his reiatsu powah.
tari101190
10-13-2007, 05:12 PM
I wish someone can translate Yamaji. He's da supah daddy. I like it when he burned Nanao-chan to the ground with his reiatsu powah.
finally, another yamamoto fan...
anyway thses stats are confusing me a bit. i no the stats just represent each characters indiviual master-ization (???) of their own power/abilty so you can't really compare them accurately...but the thing i dont get is if someone has 100 for sumtin, does that mean thats the highest they.ve reched atm, or is it the highest they can reach full stop (i dn't believe this one)? cos if there's a mimit of power shinigami can reach, is that limit different for individual's (like aizen could reaxh 2x captain strength) or can all shinigam i reach the same limit, which is like 2x captain strength?
btw those descriptions i posted arn't transations i think, they're just the comments of someone. its an ooold post on narutoforums...
tari101190- thats similar to question I had asked.
100 means max potential that soul can achieve, but I doubt that each soul has the same limits, so a 100 in strength for Aizen is probably higher than a 100 for Hitsugaya, or so I think.
tari101190
10-13-2007, 07:54 PM
i thought of that, but it wouldn't make much sense cos that would mean that aizen was lucky and had his limit of strength being 2x that of a normal captain...
also i thought since all hollows can potentially become vastolorde...but i doubt that now cos shawlong said adfter all the hollows they ae, they never got stronger...so maybe each person does have a limit for their power...some having a very high limit, sme lower than that...
perhaps most spirits could reach vastolorde style strength though, like aizen did, others should be able to in theory. to me it doesn't make sense that you could have a limit anyway cos everyones reiryoku increaes if you consume more reishi. 2 examples -
- hollows eat other spritual beings, all made of reishi
- ichigo's friends all got stronger cos they abbsorbed spritual power (which is made of reishi to) radited from ichigo.
this means as long as you can increase your spiritual power (whether by yourself, or abosrbing it rom external sources) your power can increase. its hard to believe your power has a limit after you should be able to this...although aizen said it does have a limit and shawlong said it too.
EDIT: ok i've changed my opinion...but i'll leave my confusing ramblings up. i do believe everyone has a limit, but everyones limit is individual, but most/all limits would be similar i guess (like most/all captains should be around the same strength). the thing which swayed me is cos aaaroneiro is the only guy whi who has no limits. he can just eat anybody he comes across and add their power to his...nobody else does this.
.Red.
10-14-2007, 06:01 AM
Interesting, this is the first time I've seen it.
-Red.
Primera Espada
10-14-2007, 06:51 AM
I believe someone called it the percent of maximum potential.
It does make sense, if you think about it, that Kenpachi, with his high strength and high fitness is considered the strongest captain when there are others, such as byakuya, who get a much higher score due to increased mobility, intelligence, and kidoh.
In other words "strongest" doesn't mean "best"
which is why someone like Ulquiorra, who isn't as fast as grimmjow, and who's physical shape isn't as high, can still end up higher than grimmjow (due to higher defense, intelligence, and a little higher reiatsu). And also it explains why Szayel can be ranked 8. He may be the smartest, but his lack of other stacks makes him not as effective in battle.
tari101190
10-14-2007, 07:12 AM
basically what i was asking is -
does everyone have the same limit of power aizen was talking about (like vastolorde kinda level, like aizen practically reached), or does everyone have their own level. so do ppl with 100 men they/ve reached 100% of their max potential aka their limit...
Primera Espada
10-14-2007, 08:31 AM
I think that everyone must have their own individual limit.
Basically, everyone's soul body can only hold SO much. Some are higher than other's.
This likely means that the "strength" stat listed is how much someone has come to reaching *their* personal maximum, which can be dramatically huge.
The other stats are more of a general maximum simply because they are stats that are generally the same for everyone. Intelligence? Anyone can study hard. Sure, some people are naturally more intelligent than others, but it's a small difference except in extreme cases. Mobility? Every human body can move the same way, given the right training. Fitness? Same. Kidoh? It's just a matter of education and control.
So I think it might be that their reiryaku levels (strength) are the only ones that can vary greatly. If that's the case, all of my estimated arrancar stats are off, cause we have no idea if they've reached their limits (except for Grimmjow's fraccion).
Though perhaps that's what the perfect hou gyoku does, is it instantly allows a hollow to reach it's limit.
tari101190
10-14-2007, 09:25 AM
Though perhaps that's what the perfect hou gyoku does, is it instantly allows a hollow to reach it's limit.
that would make alot of sense. cos nnoitra was #8 b4 aizen gotthe hougyoku, then once aizen gotit he became #5, so perhaps the hougyoku allowed him to reach his max potential/limit afterall. thats why hougyoku is better than naturally becoming an arrancar i guess...the process is much quicker, and lets you instantlly reach full power.
I believe everyone has different limits, overwise many of the captains would be very equal in all areas
And I think the hyogyoku pushes those limits further back. When Aizen was getting the Hyogyoku in his little rant to ichigo he said is there any way to go past those limits, and he said the answer was the hyogyoku
Primera Espada
10-15-2007, 12:27 AM
I think that's because EACH side has their limit.
So blurring the line means your limit is basically doubled. You can reach the limit of shinigami power (600 on the chart) and the limit of hollow power (600 on the chart) which could mean a total of 1200.
Imagine, a perfect hybrid, at their limit, would be literally three times Zaraki's ability.
tari101190
10-15-2007, 12:56 AM
what??...
ok i know aizen said you can surpass your limits n stuff, but i dn't think he literally meant you can surpass those numbers we wrote from the captain stats. i think he means they will just be stronger. i doubt if they made stats of arrancar, they woud go past those numbers, otherwise they would be way stronger than current characters...which they are obviuosly not. as in their not double the strength.
Primera Espada
10-15-2007, 01:01 AM
Well it could simply be talking about the strength stat.
I mean, we know those are higher for hollows than shinigami anyways, cause vastarodes, by default, are high captain level.
So maybe the idea is to just allow shinigami to reach that higher reiatsu area, while the rest stays the same?
I dunno.
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