Crack Theories & Ideas (Baseless Posts)

[Belias]

What will be posted here is ideas that are possible, but have nothing to back them up at all (so far) in the manga. Some examples of the type of stuff that should be posted here:

Isshin was the soul king, blah blah insert long post here.

Mizuiro is a shinigami that lost his powers, insert consiracy and ect.

Now, most posts here will be extremely crazy and should not be taken seriously. Do not bash people or their ideas. There will be little tolerance for this. As usual, all forum rules apply, so I shouldn't have to repost them all here.

So post away! You never know, what you might post could come true down the line!

[Sacred Knight]

Mayuri lied to Uryuu about the events regarding Souken's death. Souken was actually killed by the Vandenreich, and Mayuri and Yama-jii covered it up so the last two non-VR Quincy (Ryuuken and Uryuu) would not uncover that group's existence and be destroyed. Better for them to hate SS instead. Mayuri still experimented on Souken's remains, he is a scientist after all, but he did not allow Souken's death in a simple Hollow raid in order to dissect him as he told Uryuu.

[Sariniste]

Aizen was actually planning to make Ichigo the soul king from the beginning. ;)

[AmiciaRai]

Aizen was actually planning to make Ichigo the soul king from the beginning. ;)

omg THIS! ^ :o

[Darthsorrow]

Gonna put this on crack since I dont have that much proof.

Okay...

Ichigo doesnt possess Asauchi and yet he has Zangetsu and thus he actually has a zanpakutou, but without Asauchi. Now the recent chapter reveals hollow that looks a lot like Ichigos berserk mode. That hollows arm look a lot like Ichigos latest bankai form but its reversed.

So Ichigo has zankakutou, but no Asauchi which every single shinigami has.

Ichigo got his Quincy powers from Masaki, Shinigami powers from Isshin, Fullbring from this hollow and same goes with his hollow form. And yet he is missing Asauchi.

This means only one thing: Ichigos zanpakutou................ IS NOT ZANPAKUTOU AT ALL!!! It is hollow based zanpakutou so in other words, all this time Ichigo has been fighting without using his TRUE shinigami/zanpakutou powers. All of them were hollow/fullbring powers. CRAZY!!!

[Ryujin Jakka]

I think the reason Ichigo is immune to the Bankai stealing medallions is because he didn't receive an Asauchi.

[Minerva]

I think the reason Ichigo is immune to the Bankai stealing medallions is because he didn't receive an Asauchi.
There is also the possibility that his bankai isn't a real bankai in the normal Shinigami sense. That is, his bankai is more akin to whatever means Arrancar use to produce their zanpakutou.

[Sariniste]

Darthsorrow, Ryujin Jakka, and Minerva, I love your ideas about Ichigo's zanpakutou and bankai. :D

[Lady Rukia]

Aizen was actually planning to make Ichigo the soul king from the beginning. ;)
Someone planned to kill me today...

Isshin becomes best friend with Aizen but due to a tragic incident, a bear loss, Isshin doesn't like Aizen anymore.

Ryûken used to sing for Masaki before she got sleeping to be sure she would remember his voice.

Isshin and Ryûken decided who should marry Masaki just after a poker party.

Ichigo was supposed to be called Ganjû Shiba but Masaki preferred Ichigo.

His sisters got more luck.

[Scarlet Fire]

Aizen was actually planning to make Ichigo the soul king from the beginning. ;)

"Fear not: Everything is going according to the plan" NOW I understand what he meant! ;)

[Sariniste]

Aizen was actually planning to make Ichigo the soul king from the beginning. ;)

"Fear not: Everything is going according to the plan" NOW I understand what he meant! ;)


Ichigo was supposed to be called Ganjû Shiba but Masaki preferred Ichigo.

LOL! :) Who knows what (crack) lurks in Aizen's mind... ;)

Goodness, think how different Bleach would have been if the main character was called Ganjû instead of Ichigo... a million strawberry jokes gone to waste. :p

[Raekai]

This isn't exactly baseless, but it certainly is crack: Yhwach is Hitler.

I'm sure that others have thought this, but it is certainly an interesting thought... He does want to wipe out an entire race after all. Not to mention that the profile fits. Great leaders, military strategists, and both seem very charismatic. Of course, I'm not saying that Kubo intentionally did this, but it certainly is quite the coincidence.

[Herakles]

It is much more so a representation of the world war two genocide than anything else, great modern history allusion so I wouldn't say it is crack either. :p

[Arkyle]

Hitler? Haha that is completely crack! Maybe he is based on him somewhat. I love the idea of Aizen wanting Ichigo to be the Soul King from the very beginning. That'd be the ultimate "just as planned".

[Arkyle]

Someone planned to kill me today...

Isshin becomes best friend with Aizen but due to a tragic incident, a bear loss, Isshin doesn't like Aizen anymore.

Ryûken used to sing for Masaki before she got sleeping to be sure she would remember his voice.

Isshin and Ryûken decided who should marry Masaki just after a poker party.

Ichigo was supposed to be called Ganjû Shiba but Masaki preferred Ichigo.

His sisters got more luck.

Lol! I could totally see this happening!

[Spanky]

I just had a thought about Urahara, Isshin n Masaki, Ichigo Past. Its not a concrete theory, still has some loopholes, so just think n try to explore this idea. so here goes nothin:

In the fight against this hollow (or whatever that is) Masaki senses Isshins reitsu & proceeds to check, after seeing Isshin loosing she also joins the fight n making big diffrence wins the fight but gets a life threatning wound n dies some time later. Now as it is Isshin's duty to take Masaki's soul to SS, for the good of her soul he took help from Urahara in the form of Gigai. Both falling for other they got married. but while fighting that hollow masaki had lost Quincy powers n taken some of hollow reitsu n while giving birth to ichigo that hollow reitsu n isshin's shini reitsu got mixed in Ichigo. When Grand Fisher attacked, it was not a normal thing, it was trap by Royal Army. After Ichigo lost consciousness, Isshin n RA had a battle, RA succeeded taking Masaki's soul leaving her wounded gigai on Material World. Before leaving they saw Ichigo's reitsu n marking him abomination but not able to kill as per rule they sealed his power, which got loosen by Ichigo's contact with that Plus earlier.In the Shattered Shaft, while Ichigo becoming Hollow, that earlier Hollow reitsu he had got fired up, but he got Zangetsu out at nick of time so the hollow reitsu got separeted from shini reitsu resulting Hichigo n Ichigo Zangetsu. Share your Opinion on this idea n sorry for my english not my first language.

[igge]

Spanky, why are you posting the same in more than one thread? It is against the forum rules, you know.



Isshin and Ryûken decided who should marry Masaki just after a poker party.

Or after rock-paper-scissors...

[S41kop4thy]

Something random: I'm pretty sure Kubo had planned to kill Byakuya like Sasakibe, but then he saw all the negative reactions, so he decided to let him live. Then, to make up for this deus ex machina, he decided to say that Byakuya, though alive, could no longer fight... What do you think?

[Franco]

Aizen was actually planning to make Ichigo the soul king from the beginning. ;)

I'll see your Aizen crack and raise you: Aizen and Bach were allies the whole time. Yes, everything is still going according to Aizen's plan...

[Locke]

So, a random theory, maybe a thought.

Remember how Isshin always smokes at Masaki's grave when they visit? His excuse was, "She thought I looked cool the first time we met and I was smoking." It makes me wonder what he was "smoking" -- if he was smoking similar to the form of Final Getsuga Tenshou -- or if it was because he had his butt handed to him and was on the ground -- or maybe it's just the "energy" of how GT looks/works. It makes me wonder if we'll see Isshin have to use FGT to finish someone off -- and that's when he finally "wins" Masaki. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a love-triangle with Isshin, Ryuuken, and Masaki.

I'm also tempted to believe that there is some connection between Orihime and Masaki as well. They both are away from their main parents, living with another household (or were, in Orihime's case), supported by someone else. I think they mentioned Masaki was being supported by Aunts/Uncles, like Orihime. Would be VERY weird to find out that Orihime, Ishida, and Ichigo are all actually related a little bit -- even if the blood is super diluted (since it seems like Masaki and Ryuuken are probably related by a common ancestor -- probably several generations back).

[Arkyle]

I have a crazy theory about the whole concept of Ichigo: he is the combination of all of his nakama's powers. Quincy (Uryu), Fullbringer (Sado), Shinigami (Rukia, Renji), and whatever Orihime is (something Hogyoku-like, and no, she hasn't been confirmed to be a fullbringer yet) and this will the final turning point.

[Moon]

Aizen Urahara was actually planning to make Ichigo the soul king from the beginning. ;)

Fixed.

Aizen couldn't understand why someone of Urahara's intellect could stand by and do nothing to oppose the Soul King. Although Urahara said the Soul King was absolutely necessary, he was talking about the role - not the individual. And look - he was able to make Ichigo a transcendent being and a "hero" without raising any alarm bells because Ichigo defeated the "personification of evil".

[Tao]

I don't know if Urahara or Aizen are actually trying to push Ichigo into the position, but I do think the opportunity might open up and give Ichigo the chance to ascend to the position. It'll be hard to say, but I can almost see him trying to be offered the position, and then turning it down if the Soul King is killed. In a way, it would be amusing if the Soul King died, Ichigo turned the position down, and Aizen was the only one left to fill the spot, and so they were forced into ascending him, especially if Soul Society absolutely needs the Soul King.

[Spanky]

@igge sorry its just that i was too happy that forum is back n just wanted to spread that thought before everyone so they could ambush it with full force :)

[Legendary]

I have a theory if someone hasn't covered it yet..

The reason why Ichigo Getsuga Tenshō is black is because the absorption of the Hollow/VL we saw. If there was no interference with his soul and his mother was simply a quincy, his GT would be fire and red like his dad.

This whole time we have been seeing Ichigo throwing fire at his opponents like his dad was going to do in this chapter. The name "Getsuga Tensho" is obviously a command that was combined with Isshin abilities and the Hollow/VL Abilities.

However I'm not sure about the Shinigami part. Do they pass down like traits?

I'm nuts.

[Arkyle]

Haha I have a new crazy theory about that hollow. That hing in his hole is a way for Aizen to research the Arrancar, the Arrancar are hollows who keep their sanity. If he managed to create hollows but retain their "heart" he could get a being with hollow powers but with a shinigami-like fighting style, pretty much like an Arrancar.

[Ichigo Kurosaki]

Thinking that blacked hollow's hole has something in it.

That part of inside of the hole is Ichigo as a baby.

[Rhi-Rosario]

Thinking that blacked hollow's hole has something in it.

That part of inside of the hole is Ichigo as a baby.

That's an interesting idea, but I don't think it'll be as simple as that. So far, everything Kubo has done has been fairly complex, and that would just feel like a shoddy idea to me. But, it's always a possibility.

[CrayonsToChaos]

Aizen is/was making everything up as he goes along, it's just that he says he has a plan in a very confident way. (I had a boss like this at work.)

[thebomb.com]

Aizen is/was making everything up as he goes along, it's just that he says he has a plan in a very confident way. (I had a boss like this at work.)
Hahahhaa, this is how I feel every time Aizen busts out the "things are going according to my plan" bit. I'm like, really Aizen? I get that you're smart and tight and whatever, but you can neither see into the future nor know every little thing about every single individual's personality that will make them act in a certain way. Maybe he just has a ton of plans backed up just in case (like plans A to Z), so no matter whatever happens, he had an idea of how to deal with it. Like a choose-your-own-adventure book... he wrote it, and everyone else just determines how it ends.

[Phantom Kaizen]

As we've seen this unusual hollow is black in colour O.o and we've seen that it's just too voilent in the recent chapters,Well maybe it's colour represents its diabolic nature which i think is relatively greater compared to other hollows XD

[CrayonsToChaos]

Like a choose-your-own-adventure book... he wrote it, and everyone else just determines how it ends.

Oh my, if we could only see his "predictions diary" with all the crossings-out he must have done when things didn't go "to plan" XD Either that or it's in code like Nostradamus.

[Raekai]

So, a random theory, maybe a thought.

Remember how Isshin always smokes at Masaki's grave when they visit? His excuse was, "She thought I looked cool the first time we met and I was smoking." It makes me wonder what he was "smoking" -- if he was smoking similar to the form of Final Getsuga Tenshou -- or if it was because he had his butt handed to him and was on the ground -- or maybe it's just the "energy" of how GT looks/works. It makes me wonder if we'll see Isshin have to use FGT to finish someone off -- and that's when he finally "wins" Masaki. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a love-triangle with Isshin, Ryuuken, and Masaki.

I'm also tempted to believe that there is some connection between Orihime and Masaki as well. They both are away from their main parents, living with another household (or were, in Orihime's case), supported by someone else. I think they mentioned Masaki was being supported by Aunts/Uncles, like Orihime. Would be VERY weird to find out that Orihime, Ishida, and Ichigo are all actually related a little bit -- even if the blood is super diluted (since it seems like Masaki and Ryuuken are probably related by a common ancestor -- probably several generations back).

Your idea of smoking doesn't seem so far-fetched considering that Engetsu appears to be fire-based. Smoke could definitely come into play with his bankai as well. His smoking could also be tied to the fact that his zanpakuto is fire-based. I bet inner-spirit Engetsu smokes! It would make sense on so many levels! Of course... That's assuming that Engetsu is some kind of humanoid zanpakuto spirit, but I imagine that it wouldn't be too far off from Zangetsu.

[Herakles]

Shunsui was the one who killed Kaname's dead friend - or he was responsible for it. He then wears the Kimono in memory of her and how she died.

[Raekai]

Shunsui was the one who killed Kaname's dead friend - or he was responsible for it. He then wears the Kimono in memory of her and how she died.

Ooh... I kinda like this one. What made you think of that? That's very, very interesting.

[Herakles]

Ooh... I kinda like this one. What made you think of that? That's very, very interesting.
No basis other than the fact that Kaname and Saijin seem to be over 150 years old and it was something I just thought of lol. But his dead friend was killed by someone in the 13 Court Guards and it was a "he"... So I just thought of Shunsui and the Kimono he wears.

[thebomb.com]

No basis other than the fact that Kaname and Saijin seem to be over 150 years old and it was something I just thought of lol. But his dead friend was killed by someone in the 13 Court Guards and it was a "he"... So I just thought of Shunsui and the Kimono he wears.But wasn't his friend killed by her husband? Because he got in a drunken fight with someone, and she tried to stop them and got killed by accident? I can't see Shunsui accidentally killing his wife, drunk or not. Unless he busted out his shikai and she accidentally stepped on a shadow or something... so maybe it is him. But I hope not.

[Herakles]

But wasn't his friend killed by her husband? Because he got in a drunken fight with someone, and she tried to stop them and got killed by accident? I can't see Shunsui accidentally killing his wife, drunk or not. Unless he busted out his shikai and she accidentally stepped on a shadow or something... so maybe it is him. But I hope not.

I don't know, as I said I have no basis for this and to be fair, I don't even know the context of her death I just watched episode 290 of the anime and thought of it. lol

[Raekai]

I don't know, as I said I have no basis for this and to be fair, I don't even know the context of her death I just watched episode 290 of the anime and thought of it. lol

No basis? Well, that's the spirit! Haha. This is a crack theory thread after all. No basis needed!

Hell, I could come out and say that Ichigo is actually a female. His form in FGT proves it. His true form is long black hair. Isshin was a very sheltering parent and didn't want him to ever know. He and Masaki wanted a son so they made him believe that he was a guy. Aizen is secretly in love with Ichigo because he is one sexy lady, and Yhwach is in on it too! "My son born in darkness". Exactly! Ichigo doesn't know that he's a she. And Ouetsu couldn't have been clearer! He doesn't know his roots because he still thinks that he's actually a guy!

Of course, I don't believe it! *wipes cocaine from nose* It's just all crack! Also, it's really late, and I'm tired, and just about anything seems funny right now...

[GodsGift88]

This was part of my post in the chapter discussion; what do you think?


and Aizen! Man! I love this guy haha. always nostalgic to see him in the story, Gin and Tousen as well. They look so ominous and God-send when they appear behind Isshin, almost as if Kubo was trying to impose just how much Aizen played God throughout the whole manga. Bleach exists because of Aizen, pure and simple. Its almost like Aizen and Urahara are God and Lucifer, just not yet who is who since i feel in the overall scheme Aizen is going to play a much more 'good guy/grey' area role than we assumed and Urahara is just a grey character in general. But from last chapter i assumed Kubo was implying that Black Hollow was Aizens main pet. It was also actually very refreshing to see him not have planned for the Isshin interjection yet he so quickly and adequately adapted to adding Isshin into his plan. I feel like he is going to do 1 of few things: have Black Hollow utilize his infectious presence to infect Isshin to see if he can somehow create another breed of hollowfication; leave Isshin and see if the Black Hollow is formiddable enough to take down not just a captain, but that of a noble class captain; was trying to use Black Hollow specifically as the bait for Urahara/Shinji and co (which i think will happen eventually); or accidentally gets involved in Quincy experiments after seeing Masaki and Ryuuken become involved in this situation. I always though the reason Kubo spent so much time on Szaayle (sp?) wasnt to give Renji/Ishida an Espada matchup or the contrast of Mayuri/Szaayle but to actually show off what Aizen was allowing him to get away with in his experiments which comes back to the main man and one of my favorite Shinigami by far, Mayuri!!!! We all are aware of how Mayuri is the forefront in experiments on Quincy in the new age but I think having Mayuri find Szaayle's lab was meant for the fact that Aizen discovered how to hybrid quincy/shinigami, quincy/hollows, and fullbringers as well and allowed Szaayle's brain as a Hollow to either expand or even fix some inner workings on this concept of breeding. then Mayuri finds the lab and bam!! Mayuri becomes a major player all over again which again gives credence to his words to Yama at the beginning of this arc about knowing the quincy were coming and going to put a major dent in the shinigami's existence. aizen knew of ywach and weve seen ywach knows of aizen but i think it is much deeper than simple knowing of aizens betrayal. tying back into szaayle's ability to negate Renjis bankai!!! just like ywach's star knights bankai stealing medallions!!! anyways, this flashback and this specific moment is going to come into play for obviously ichigos origins and where his soul is but also i believe in regards to ywach and his VR and the eventual freeing of Aizen and him becoming a major player all over again.

[Final_Tenshou]

Yuzu will turn evil join the VR and blast the bejeezus out of kenpachi.

Bach will use the twins (karin and yuzu) as his minions?

[Soranushi]

Thinking that blacked hollow's hole has something in it.

That part of inside of the hole is Ichigo as a baby.

You know, I actually had a similar thought to this, but differs in that the thing in the Hollow Hole is a parasitic hollowfication agent that infects the targets of the Black hollow with a cloned (I dunno) spiritual structure:confused:? And it tends not to work for the reason that its like trying to install a windows program on to a mac computer.

So what I'm thinking is that Masaki does manage to kill the Hollow, but the parasite in its H.hole manages to survive and now that its lost its original host it needs to fuse with a new target. Now if this crazy ideas turns out to be right. I'll say that it manages to attach itself to both Masaki and Isshin by splitting itself between the two, after which the parasite begins to infect the two whilst also absorbing their spiritual abilities.

However, unlike the Black Hollow which it was compatible with it still isn't compatible with anything else, so it starts breaking down Isshin and Masaki Souls/Bodies due to both its parasitic nature and hollowfication infection. This event results in them both needing assistance in removing the parasite, which will come with the help of Urahara and the Hougyoku he made....after some shenanigans with Urahara's Hougyoku the parasite is removed but due to it's abilities and the parasites copy/absorption nature, Ichigo is Created as a result.

The strange circumstance of Ichigo's Birth is also the reason why Isshin and Masaki lost their spiritual powers along with it being the trigger for their eventual relationship:p.

But thats just my version of the crazy idea for Ichigo's Creation:cool:~

[Flare-Flare]

By the end of Bleach, Karin could be hinted to have shinigami powers and Yuzu could be hinted to have quincy powers. It is a little weird that both Kurosaki parents weren't fully human and yet Yuzu seems pretty normal.^^; My guess is that she will eventually gain some spiritual awareness.

[Arkyle]

But wasn't his friend killed by her husband? Because he got in a drunken fight with someone, and she tried to stop them and got killed by accident? I can't see Shunsui accidentally killing his wife, drunk or not. Unless he busted out his shikai and she accidentally stepped on a shadow or something... so maybe it is him. But I hope not.

Haha don't take anything here so seriously. It is called "CRACK theories (BASELESS-posts)" for a reason. Just have fun

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By the end of Bleach, Karin could be hinted to have shinigami powers and Yuzu could be hinted to have quincy powers. It is a little weird that both Kurosaki parents weren't fully human and yet Yuzu seems pretty normal.^^; My guess is that she will eventually gain some spiritual awareness.

Well, she can feel them and see them sometimes so she is not completely spiritually unaware. Maybe she will develop Orihime like powers? Or simply a Fullbring.

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The reason Ichigo's Bankai is so out of the ordinary is because he is a Quincy. Tensa Zatgetsu is basically Letz Stil or Vollstanding: his reiatsu compresses into a super small form and has the rest of his power wrap him, just like a Letz Stil. After learning about his quincy powers and training with them, he will absorb reishi in his bankai as well.

[czeliate]

Shunsui was the one who killed Kaname's dead friend - or he was responsible for it. He then wears the Kimono in memory of her and how she died.


hahaha.. good good~ this theory sounds possible,
as told in NF, I always wonder if Kubo ever shows that shinigami who killed his wife (aka Kaname's friend), but seeing this though..

chapter 148


http://i.imgur.com/fyVT6cA.jpg

makes me wonder... if the guy is really Shunsui, why did he killed his wife or comrade due to an argument? that's not like him~ unless of course, Shunsui did killed the girl but was not that way, and Aizen rephrased the story to fool Tosen into his comrade, because Tosen can't see so he's not KS-ed.

But..possible theory I'd say

[Herakles]

hahaha.. good good~ this theory sounds possible,
as told in NF, I always wonder if Kubo ever shows that shinigami who killed his wife (aka Kaname's friend), but seeing this though..

chapter 148


http://i.imgur.com/fyVT6cA.jpg

makes me wonder... if the guy is really Shunsui, why did he killed his wife or comrade due to an argument? that's not like him~ unless of course, Shunsui did killed the girl but was not that way, and Aizen rephrased the story to fool Tosen into his comrade, because Tosen can't see so he's not KS-ed.

But..possible theory I'd say
At first it did, I completely thought it up out of the blue with no evidence.

Kaname and Saijin seem to be at least over 150 years old there is some possibility but completely crack. Then of course we know Shunsui likes to indulge in sake, though even then I don't think that is of his character to kill someone over an argument.

Though as you said, Aizen could have twisted the story or C46 could have twisted it as well. Then I connected this to the fact that Shunsui wears a Kimono dedicated to the memory of someone, so unless it is a new character this could tie in but I am saying 5% chance. :p

[CrayonsToChaos]

Here's my favourite meta-crack theory. At the end of Bleach, everything will be seen to be going to hell - people are dead, things are destroyed, um... nasty stuff is going on. And then Orihime uses her power to "reject" the entirety of all events of the whole series, leading to a "he woke up and it was aaaaaallllll a dream, or was it?!" ending for Ichigo (age 15). XD

[gab00n]

I think Isshin will get infected by this hollow and be forced to use FGT to rid himself of all spiritual powers and the infection.

[Craigasorus]

Here's my favourite meta-crack theory. At the end of Bleach, everything will be seen to be going to hell - people are dead, things are destroyed, um... nasty stuff is going on. And then Orihime uses her power to "reject" the entirety of all events of the whole series, leading to a "he woke up and it was aaaaaallllll a dream, or was it?!" ending for Ichigo (age 15). XDPeople would be debating that for ages and ages on. It would also create so much controversy but honestly I wouldn't completely rule out Kubo doing something like that either. :p

Imagine it ending with a redrawing of this panel with the same quote:

93

Pure madness would ensue.

[CrayonsToChaos]

Imagine it ending with a redrawing of this panel with the same quote:



Except it would say "Life and the Strawberry"? XD And a little scene with the guys larking about at school, and a panel with Orihime thinking about how much she loves this simple and happy life with her friends!

Kubo does come up with some wacky stuff, I'm glad you agree, Craigasoras! It's not impossible, merely implausible.

[geta-boshi]

Shunsui was the one who killed Kaname's dead friend - or he was responsible for it. He then wears the Kimono in memory of her and how she died.

I loved this one.It makes some sense if you think how in contrast to the your story, Shunsui is on good terms with ladies in general, and i think we had some panels/anime time too where he saves his lady friend(probably his current lt. and i think it was in an ending/opening generic?) from some random bad guys from rukongai.So, thinking how Kaname sucks handling reality and can easily be manipulated, yeah this theory might work. Here goes your rep point!


But wasn't his friend killed by her husband? Because he got in a drunken fight with someone, and she tried to stop them and got killed by accident? I can't see Shunsui accidentally killing his wife, drunk or not. Unless he busted out his shikai and she accidentally stepped on a shadow or something... so maybe it is him. But I hope not.
Maybe thats why his shikai command is that long and hard to remember,so that he doesn't accidentally activates and hurt someone while drunk LMAO

[WanderingMinstrel]

I loved this one.It makes some sense if you think how in contrast to the your story, Shunsui is on good terms with ladies in general, and i think we had some panels/anime time too where he saves his lady friend(probably his current lt. and i think it was in an ending/opening generic?) from some random bad guys from rukongai.So, thinking how Kaname sucks handling reality and can easily be manipulated, yeah this theory might work. Here goes your rep point!


Maybe thats why his shikai command is that long and hard to remember,so that he doesn't accidentally activates and hurt someone while drunk LMAO

Would think the only issue with this Theory is if that was true then Tosen would have showed more of a Vendetta towards Shunsui but we never had signs that Tosen hated Shunsui his quarrel was with Komamaru and Hisagi. Plus we have nothing hinting at the end that he would have wished revenge on someone else or kill someone else, the person or whoever did kill her was already dealt justice.

I think a closer representation could be that maybe if it was Shunsui then Tosen never knew who the husband was, or it's possible Shunsui was related to the husband in question and knew what was going on and regrets he was unable to do anything to help. But at the same time I can see where you can draw the conclusion where it could be him since he drinks though at the same time, if Shunsui had this on his record then there would be no way he would of ever been able to become the new Captain Commander.

So if anything the garb could represent her but fora reason moreso related to the regret of not being able to help her rather than the one who committed the murder. If he did indeed commit the murder however my only question would be why did Tosen never show any sign of angst towards Shunsui.

[Herakles]

Tousen is blind remember and he might not have been informed of who actually killed her. It is a wild thought none the less.

[Caelestis]

Would think the only issue with this Theory is if that was true then Tosen would have showed more of a Vendetta towards Shunsui but we never had signs that Tosen hated Shunsui his quarrel was with Komamaru and Hisagi. Plus we have nothing hinting at the end that he would have wished revenge on someone else or kill someone else, the person or whoever did kill her was already dealt justice.

Although it almost boggles the mind, I don't think Tousen would have necessarily hated Shunsui specifically if he was indeed responsible for the murder of his friend; despite the revelation of his motives, I think there's a subtle misunderstanding as to what exactly drove Tousen to revolt against Soul Society, which I'll get to in a moment.

I would first like to say that I REALLY like this theory of Shunsui actually being the Shinigami who was married to Tousen's friend and killed her in a drunken rage and that the kimono he's always wearing was a gift of hers. At first, it might seem extremely uncharacteristic of the cool, ever-laid-back, and pretty-much-freaking-awesome Kyouraku to harbour such a dark secret, but I wouldn't put it above Kubo: he has admitted himself in interviews that his main inspiration when it comes to characters is subverting expectations - characters who are not what they seem to be on the cover. Some of the best ways he has developed some of his characters so far was when he completely reversed our perception of them: I personally found good examples of these to be Soifon (who, for her extreme coldness, turned out to have an incredibly vulnerable side) and, of course, Byakuya.

In a similar fashion, we've always seen that Kyouraku is all about the contradiction of deadly playfulness: this is the guy who's goofing off one moment, trying to avoid battle, then ruthlessly kills Stark with every dirty trick in the book when he gets serious. His very zanpakutou is a weapon that turns childrens' games into reality - something which, in the hands of any other character, we might consider quite sadistic. The exact nature of that darker side to Kyouraku has not been adequately explained just yet. Come to think of it, his words to Love and Rose (about being in the wrong either way whenever a fight starts) could be a serious hint in the direction of this theory. Kyouraku almost has a love/hate relationship with battle and an event like this might explain a lot about his character: there is a sense that Kyouraku may have been 'playing', carelessly, a bit too much throughout his life and it might've been one big mistake that shook him to his core and made him the mature, self-controlled captain we now know.

As for Tousen: strange as it may sound, I think there's no need for Tousen to have hated Kyouraku for this theory to make sense. To understand Tousen we need to keep one thing in mind: Tousen's 'justice', his revenge, was never aimed at the guy that killed his friend. What Tousen specifically wanted was for Soul Society to be destroyed. If his friend meant so much to him, why didn't he just kill the guy responsible? Why did his form of 'justice' extend to all of Soul Society? The reason for that is because what truly disturbed Tousen was not the murder of his friend; it was the lack of punishment for the Shinigami responsible - the Central 46 never punished the Shinigami in question because he was a high-ranking officer, I believe. If it was Kyouraku and Yamamoto vouched for him, knowing it was a mistake and despite his failings, Kyouraku usually had an exemplary character, it would easily fit.

Nonetheless, it is not justice. Tousen calls his revenge 'justice' because justice is what his friend aspired to. It was his intention to take her place and truly strike down all wickedness in the world, not merely to take revenge for her murder. As such, I can imagine that Tousen wouldn't even care specifically about Kyouraku's involvement (if he was indeed responsible): in his eyes, blind as they were, all of Soul Society would need to be destroyed for such corruption, that the murder of an outstanding, innocent woman would go unpunished.

This is no crack-theory, in my opinion. It doesn't have a lot of evidence, per se, but it wouldn't entirely surprise me, as it would connect quite a few dots. If so, then Kubo will have officially blown my mind.

[Izoto]

This isn't a prediction more of a looking back. I just feel like Starrk fanboys should be happy Shunsui never unleashed his bankai. Nothing to factually defend this claim, but I get the feeling he would have stomped the guy had he done that.


Shunsui was the one who killed Kaname's dead friend - or he was responsible for it. He then wears the Kimono in memory of her and how she died.

Actually a pretty interesting one. I like it.

Though I get the feeling it belonged to a lover/friend from a long time ago, possibly someone that perished during the Quincy extermination. Then again, that's the generic proposal we've all pondered on.

[BlackSoul]

There's always a likely possibility that Kisuke could have informed him. I mean, Kisuke was the one who questioned whether Isshin was satisfied with revenge or not.

Another funny thing is, Isshin's deepest regret over 20 years ago is the inability to save Masaki "that night". From memory, Masaki never died during the night time it was actually day time.

Where as this flash back takes place at night time and is logically 20 years ago... Hmmm, what did Isshin fail to save Masaki from? She killed this Hollow according to Isshin (and most likely with Ryuken and Katigiri's help), was Isshin referring to Aizen?

I think it's always possible that urahara or another member of SS informed isshin about the murderer of his wife.

about the "that night" part. yes, it was day when ichigo was lurded by grand fisher and his mother tried to protect him and dies. perhaps it turned night during the few hours ichigo was unconscious so it's still valid.
OR it wasn't grand fisher at all who killed masaki! I mean we now know she was a badass quincy, would she fail against a mere hollow threatening her firstborn son? unlikely.
so perhaps masaki drove grand fisher off but was then attacked and killed by someone else. naturally aizen springs to mind since he's behind every bad thing aynway. him personally, one of his underling captains or one of his hollow experiments sent to kill masaki so ichigo could grow in his spiritual powers or similar.
oh, or even better; ichigo was unconscious at that time, no? so aizen or his chronies could have done something to him, activating his power, planting the seed of hollowfication, stealing a bit of his soul and so on - any number of evil deeds.

so the tmeline'd be like this: ichiog being lurde by GF -> GF driven off by masaki -> someone else attaking/killing masaki -> doing evil deed to young ichigo

the last two could be interchanged, of course since when ichigo woke up his dead mother was lying protectively over him. thus grand fisher was the lure, ichigo and masaki the target all along and most likely aizen the perpetrator.

[Herakles]

I think it's always possible that urahara or another member of SS informed isshin about the murderer of his wife.

about the "that night" part. yes, it was day when ichigo was lurded by grand fisher and his mother tried to protect him and dies. perhaps it turned night during the few hours ichigo was unconscious so it's still valid.
OR it wasn't grand fisher at all who killed masaki! I mean we now know she was a badass quincy, would she fail against a mere hollow threatening her firstborn son? unlikely.
so perhaps masaki drove grand fisher off but was then attacked and killed by someone else. naturally aizen springs to mind since he's behind every bad thing aynway. him personally, one of his underling captains or one of his hollow experiments sent to kill masaki so ichigo could grow in his spiritual powers or similar.
oh, or even better; ichigo was unconscious at that time, no? so aizen or his chronies could have done something to him, activating his power, planting the seed of hollowfication, stealing a bit of his soul and so on - any number of evil deeds.

so the tmeline'd be like this: ichiog being lurde by GF -> GF driven off by masaki -> someone else attaking/killing masaki -> doing evil deed to young ichigo

the last two could be interchanged, of course since when ichigo woke up his dead mother was lying protectively over him. thus grand fisher was the lure, ichigo and masaki the target all along and most likely aizen the perpetrator.
I think most of what we are discussing here is pretty establishable. :D
I would say Urahara more so than any one from the Soul Society, mainly because Isshin hasn't been back there for a big reason.


Perhaps, I never said it wasn't valid I just based this off of the fact that it was Isshin's one regret over the past 20 years, but this being said that statement can easily encompass the same day Masaki did die.

I think it is pretty much evident Masaki wasn't truly killed by grandfisher as far as the omake goes, this being said maybe the grandfisher did and someone else sent him or someone else killed her and the grandfisher picked up the pieces. All we know is the grandfisher was in the immediate area of that attack.

I'm more inclined to stick with Ichigo hollowfying in the shattered shaft since that is the first time we were introduced to hollowfication. Aizen seems to be the most likely cause behind this, but I am hoping for something more. Perhaps the Soul Society or even Squad 0, though I will be content with Aizen none the less.

[BlackSoul]

I think most of what we are discussing here is pretty establishable. :D
I would say Urahara more so than any one from the Soul Society, mainly because Isshin hasn't been back there for a big reason.


Perhaps, I never said it wasn't valid I just based this off of the fact that it was Isshin's one regret over the past 20 years, but this being said that statement can easily encompass the same day Masaki did die.

I think it is pretty much evident Masaki wasn't truly killed by grandfisher as far as the omake goes, this being said maybe the grandfisher did and someone else sent him or someone else killed her and the grandfisher picked up the pieces. All we know is the grandfisher was in the immediate area of that attack.

I'm more inclined to stick with Ichigo hollowfying in the shattered shaft since that is the first time we were introduced to hollowfication. Aizen seems to be the most likely cause behind this, but I am hoping for something more. Perhaps the Soul Society or even Squad 0, though I will be content with Aizen none the less.

isn't the evil deed always done by aizen? it's a no-brainer at this point *sigh*.

I'd also say ichigo got his hollow powers during the shattered shaft but since so many things are revealed *cough*retcon*cough* recently it's not that unlikely that aizen somehow prepared ichigo for what's to come.
he killed off his mother to make ichigo strong and independent emotionally. we saw just how much of a crybaby and mama's boy he was (well, he WAS still a little kid so we can't blame him). so aizen forced ichigo to mature, took away his guardian against spiritual attacks, isshin was still powerless, and thus sowed the seed of what's to come.
if masaki didn't die then in chapter 1 the random hollow'd have been killed by her, no rukia and ichigo interaction either and ichigo'd probably have been too weak to act anyway since her personaly wouldn't have been messed up by losing his mother.
or as said, he directly messed with young ichigo's body or soul so he could later on turn into a shinigami/howllow/pretty much everything. when rukia gave ichigo her powers she said the chances of success are small. naturally it worked since ichigo is the MC and nobody questioned this, but what if it was aizen's doing from way back then all along? it's so stupidly complicated and long-winded it could actually be the case.

ah, this theory could be made a lot longer, more complicated and everything.
but well, let's just say for now that it's indeed most likely that when masaki died she didn't only face grand fisher.

[Herakles]

aizen makes most sense after all, i just blatantly hope for it to be someone else. :D

most likely this hollow passed on the remnants of its spiritual energy to masaki and this onto ichigo and the shattered shaft just evoked them from dormancy. there obviously seems to be another hand in play. though remember, i dont think grandfisher was working with aizen though. :/

grandfisher became an arrancar naturally from what i remember.

[BlackSoul]

aizen makes most sense after all, i just blatantly hope for it to be someone else. :D

most likely this hollow passed on the remnants of its spiritual energy to masaki and this onto ichigo and the shattered shaft just evoked them from dormancy. there obviously seems to be another hand in play. though remember, i dont think grandfisher was working with aizen though. :/

grandfisher became an arrancar naturally from what i remember.

it'd also be pleased if another party were responsible for those happenings but chances are rather slim.

perhaps GF simply didn't know he was working for aizen? ichigo also didn't know that he was apparantly guided and manipulated by aizen all along. so aizen perhaps only took advantage of the situation, of the pawns available.

[Herakles]

Even if it isn't I wont be disappointed mainly because Aizen remains to be the most sense behind it.

This being said, it comes across deeper if you ask me.

That is always a possible chance

[BlackSoul]

Even if it isn't I wont be disappointed mainly because Aizen remains to be the most sense behind it.

This being said, it comes across deeper if you ask me.

That is always a possible chance

what do you mean with comes across deeper?
that masaki's death and anything related to it had more meaning than initially suspeccted?

[Herakles]

Well the truth behind masaki's death seems deeper than when connecting aizen. I mean from a purely speculative analysis point of view one could easily theorise it was aizen from the moment we learnt he knew of ichigo before he was born.

So theorising aizen seems less deeper when ascertaining this theory and when kubo wrote this in his omake, it seems to be someone more.

So as you said had mote meaning than jnitially suspected

It is just my own opinion and sorry for mistakes on my phone

[BlackSoul]

^ ah ok, I get it.
yes, I agree naturally. it really seems like there's more to masaki's death than we suspected.
it becomes also far more likely if we take into account tht she was a quincy and thus quite capable of fighting hollows. she shouldn't die quite so easily from a mere hollow.

[Herakles]

Exactly, there is a lot more at work for the day/night or whenever masaki was attacked then killed. Grandfisher was there as well, so unless someone blind sighted her or there was a coordinated lynch on her life...

[BlackSoul]

^ yeah, so ichigo's life was even more so controlled and guided by the evil hands of aizen - who's the most likely suspect.

do you suppose we'll also see the details on how masaki died in this flashback? will it truly cover everything?

[Twan]

My theory on how this series will end:

He wakes up in Hogwarts with Ron nudging him saying "Harry, you've been having that Ichigo dream again. You were shouting Getsuga Tenshou in your dream!" and Ron looking all worried.

[Oscar Langley]

Toshiro created the first substitute shinigami.

1. When Ginjou regains his powers he has white hair (Toshiro) and an X on his face (materialized Hyornimaru). It's not the same kind of X, but you don't find many characters with an X across their face.
2. Toshiro was the one who explained Ginjou's nature to Ichigo.
Bonus. This would mean both substitute shinigami creators were ice type.

I'll need to re-read some old chapters and see if there's anything else working for or against it.

[geta-boshi]

Shadow realm where vandenreich resides actually is a form of Dangai.

We heard from isshin that dangai back in time has also used to function like a penal colony, and i think its not a stretch to think that lots of quincy (before the war)were forced to reside there as prisoners.Yhwach and his men somehow managed to free their comrades, went war agains Shinigami, and after having so much casualities,made their escape to their new home, a parralel realm just like dangai.After the war shinigami discontinued to use dangai as penal colony, as it was not safe anymore and built nest of maggots.

[igge]

Toshiro created the first substitute shinigami.

1. When Ginjou regains his powers he has white hair (Toshiro) and an X on his face (materialized Hyornimaru). It's not the same kind of X, but you don't find many characters with an X across their face.
2. Toshiro was the one who explained Ginjou's nature to Ichigo.
Bonus. This would mean both substitute shinigami creators were ice type.

I'll need to re-read some old chapters and see if there's anything else working for or against it.

That is only in the anime, not the manga. And if Shiro-chan really gave powers to Ginjou, C46 wouldn't allow him to still be captain...

[Ftadeu]

Zangetsu is actually the hollow that attacked Isshin and he was a shinigami before Aizen transformed him into a Hollow.

That's why Isshin said that even with the hollow reiatsu he still resembles a shinigami.

That's why inside ichigo's world they confirm to Ichigo that Zangetsu and Hichico were the same thing.

[Herakles]

Kaien Shiba was the only other person Byakuya used Senkei Senbonzakura Kageyoshi on.

[Shiropachi]

"Ichigo" was the one who killed Masaki!

[Benigetsu]

Soul King -GOD
Royal Guard -ARCH ANGELS
Aizen - SATAN
Gotei 13-ANGELS
Quincy- EXORCISTS
Hollows -Demons

Thats how i see bleach .....

[Ronin-Sama]

Soul King -GOD
Royal Guard -ARCH ANGELS
Aizen - SATAN
Gotei 13-ANGELS
Quincy- EXORCISTS
Hollows -Demons

Thats how i see bleach .....

If Aizen is Satan, that what is Bach?

[BlackSoul]

If Aizen is Satan, that what is Bach?

and what about ichigo? the messiah?

well, I guess the humans'd be cattle.

[Lortastic]

Here's a crack one:

Ichigo's FGT is actually the same as Letzt Stil and the reason why Isshin knows it is because Masaki once used it.

[Annstar]

I just want to say, EVERY theory I posted YEARS ago before BA went down was RIGHT. From Isshin being a Shiba/Captain to Masaki being related to Ishida's dad (although I thought they were bro/sis) Only thing I am waiting for is to hear Ichigo is a Hongyoku (sp). I was right...unless you guys can go back and see those post, and if so....*walks away*

[Shiropachi]

I think Ichigo is the one who killed Masaki. Not Ichigo literally but his hollow self.

We know Ichigo was lured in by Grand Fischer using the likeness of a little girl by the river. Ichigo ran over to help this little girl. what happened between that time and when we see Masaki lying on top of Ichigo is a mystery. I will attempt to speculate this major part of the manga...

Ichigo ran over to the girl, when he came close Grand Fischer made his move. Grand Fischer successfully lands a hit on Ichigo mortally wounding him.

Masaki does not have time to prevent this and she arrives moments too late. Being so scared and distraught over the sight of Ichigo laying there dead, she pays no attention to Grand Fischer at first. She trys to heal Ichigo's wound desperately but when she realizes she can't fix him her panicing turns to anger and she turns to face Grand Fischer (who stayed back since he had no clue she could see him or not yet). She attacks wounding Grand Fischer they have a few words, then suddenly from behind she gets slashed by "Ichigo", who since dieing has allowed the hollow side of him to take possession of his body. Grand Fischer too wounded to do battle flees. Masaki crying and determined to still help Ichigo turns and hugs the Hollow Ichigo then does some special quincy technique to subdue or reverse the transformation, Both incapacitated they fall to the ground, Masaki dies holding Ichigo, who is miraculously healed, wakes up sometime later with a dead Masaki ontop of him not knowing what happened.

This whole sequence could have been foreshadowed by Kubo in the Hueco Mundo arc. Very similar to Ichigo's transformation and impaling of Ishida, then regenerates and comes to not knowing what happened.

[Seri55]

I think Ichigo is the one who killed Masaki. Not Ichigo literally but his hollow self.

We know Ichigo was lured in by Grand Fischer using the likeness of a little girl by the river. Ichigo ran over to help this little girl. what happened between that time and when we see Masaki lying on top of Ichigo is a mystery. I will attempt to speculate this major part of the manga...

Ichigo ran over to the girl, when he came close Grand Fischer made his move. Grand Fischer successfully lands a hit on Ichigo mortally wounding him.

Masaki does not have time to prevent this and she arrives moments too late. Being so scared and distraught over the sight of Ichigo laying there dead, she pays no attention to Grand Fischer at first. She trys to heal Ichigo's wound desperately but when she realizes she can't fix him her panicing turns to anger and she turns to face Grand Fischer (who stayed back since he had no clue she could see him or not yet). She attacks wounding Grand Fischer they have a few words, then suddenly from behind she gets slashed by "Ichigo", who since dieing has allowed the hollow side of him to take possession of his body. Grand Fischer too wounded to do battle flees. Masaki crying and determined to still help Ichigo turns and hugs the Hollow Ichigo then does some special quincy technique to subdue or reverse the transformation, Both incapacitated they fall to the ground, Masaki dies holding Ichigo, who is miraculously healed, wakes up sometime later with a dead Masaki ontop of him not knowing what happened.

This whole sequence could have been foreshadowed by Kubo in the Hueco Mundo arc. Very similar to Ichigo's transformation and impaling of Ishida, then regenerates and comes to not knowing what happened.

This maybe stretching it but I have to wonder, could someone else have possibly seen this happened? The reason why I asked this question (if it happened this way) -is it because of when Rukia probably first joined the 13th division (don't really know if it was before Kaien was killed or afterwards) her and Isane's sister went to the world of the living; and Isane's sister asked her about that time they went (before her going there for her first assignment that landed her in jail)-but Rukia replied she doesn't remember anything about the trip-nor is it elaborated on it. This might not have any meaning to it, but I was wondering if your theory holds true, could this also factor in it.

[Shiropachi]

very possibly. I'm not really holding my breath on this though, it's just one possible scenario out of many that i have played out in my head. my imagination goes crazy sometimes lol.

It's fun to dream though right?!

[NGC 602]

>Checks Thread title< Okay I'm in the right place for this. :D

I've been thinking about Ichigo's surname, from what I can remember its made up of the Kanji for "black" and "cape" where here cape refers to a land spit rather than the garment. I originally assumed it was Kubo making a play on words in reference to the black outfit worn by shinigami and thus alluding to Ichigo and Isshin's powers. Now that it turns out it's Masaki's surname (cookies to those who called that one by the way) the pun no longer really applies since Quincies seem to have cornered the market on white on white.

The crack idea is that "Kurosaki" is meant to be taken literally and refers to an actual place relevant to Quincy history, maybe even the location of the Ice Palace? Alternatively if we want to keep the pun you could point out that the Emperor of the Vandenreich is the only one to wear a rather conspicuous black cape/cloak of the Quincy and there might be a connection to Masaki that way.

[ArcherFromHeaven]

>Checks Thread title< Okay I'm in the right place for this. :D

I've been thinking about Ichigo's surname, from what I can remember its made up of the Kanji for "black" and "cape" where here cape refers to a land spit rather than the garment. I originally assumed it was Kubo making a play on words in reference to the black outfit worn by shinigami and thus alluding to Ichigo and Isshin's powers. Now that it turns out it's Masaki's surname (cookies to those who called that one by the way) the pun no longer really applies since Quincies seem to have cornered the market on white on white.

The crack idea is that "Kurosaki" is meant to be taken literally and refers to an actual place relevant to Quincy history, maybe even the location of the Ice Palace? Alternatively if we want to keep the pun you could point out that the Emperor of the Vandenreich is the only one to wear a rather conspicuous black cape/cloak of the Quincy and there might be a connection to Masaki that way.

You know, before it was confirmed Kurosaki being Masaki's surname, I though Isshin might had picked it up from a district of the Rukongai.

So, yes, it always rang some geographic meaning to me, maybe it does indeed have to do with the VandenReich.

I personally believe the Vanden is composed of quincy who still stick to the pure blood and mixed blood ranking system.

Even if it was stated by Kirge that Soken rejected the Vanden's improvements, the Ishida family this flashback is showing seems to be pretty the anti-shinigami type. I think Soken rejected the Vanden later on, after coming to a closure over Masaki marrying a shinigami and Ryuuken going out with a mixed blood (yes, I'm on that side of the fandom who has assumed Katagiri is Uryu's mum).

Following this idea, I think that the Vanden did something to Katagiri in revenge for her forgetting her place as a mixed blood and Ryuuken and Soken saw different strategies to prevent them to go after Uryuu: Ryuuken wanted to have Uryuu stay as far as possible from anything Quincy-Shinigami related and Soken though it would be best for Uryuu to be versed in the Quincy discipline in case he had to defend himself.

[MaskedOne]

I can believe that Katagiri is Uryuu's mom. Notice Masaki doesnt have a Quincy Artifact, or at least it hasnt been shown yet. Maybe Halfbloods -assuming Uryuu is one- need an artifact to use their powers.

[B. Haddrell]

I can believe that Katagiri is Uryuu's mom. Notice Masaki doesnt have a Quincy Artifact, or at least it hasnt been shown yet. Maybe Halfbloods -assuming Uryuu is one- need an artifact to use their powers.

Uryuu didn`t use his bracelet any more in the Fullbring arc. I think the use of a bracelet is a sign that the Quincy in question is not strong and skilled enough yet to use his powers without such an aid.

Masaki was definitely much stronger and more skilled than Uryuu was at her age, meaning at the same age when Uryuu and Ichigo started to become friends. What I always found very interesting when studying Uryuu is that he was indeed much weaker than he is today but this is first of all about having raw power. When it comes to control, Uryuu was very strong at it. In spite of his relatively low power level, in spite of being self-taught since his grandfather died (and he was about half Masaki`s age when that happened), Uryuu mastered some very complicated and difficult Quincy techniques.

I don`t think Uryuu has Blut which is a serious handicap and there is a lot he simply never learned because he wasn`t taught it, because he has never seen another Quincy use it. I am sure, if taught the same way as Masaki was, he would also be able to summon a bow in different sizes and fire it one handed. I also noticed that Masaki fired arrows in rapid succession, nearly silmutaneously.

Therefore I think it is a combination of both: a lower power level and a lack of knowledge. But although Uryuu might still have a lower power level lower than Masaki, he eventually managed to move past the necessity for a Quincy bracelet.

[bliz]

Ikumi Unagiya is Shiba trio's mother, as well as Kaoru's. She was head of the Unagiya noble family and married to Isshin's brother, who was Ex-10th Division Captain from tbtp arc. She also acted as his vice-Captain and was in line for a promotion.

However she didn't take it because she she was pregnant with Kaoru at the time. Thats why Isshin's brother stepped in to take over the position. The investigation was going on regarding how the Ex-10th Division Captain died and Aizen manipulated the event to shift the blame on her.

She then left SS with Kaoru to protect herself and her youngest son from SS. She realized there was a ulterior motive behind her husbands death and her presence in SS would bring harm to her other children's e.g Kaien/Kukaku/Ganju.

[Dizfactor]

Uryuu didn`t use his bracelet any more in the Fullbring arc. I think the use of a bracelet is a sign that the Quincy in question is not strong and skilled enough yet to use his powers without such an aid.

Masaki was definitely much stronger and more skilled than Uryuu was at her age, meaning at the same age when Uryuu and Ichigo started to become friends. What I always found very interesting when studying Uryuu is that he was indeed much weaker than he is today but this is first of all about having raw power. When it comes to control, Uryuu was very strong at it. In spite of his relatively low power level, in spite of being self-taught since his grandfather died (and he was about half Masaki`s age when that happened), Uryuu mastered some very complicated and difficult Quincy techniques.

I don`t think Uryuu has Blut which is a serious handicap and there is a lot he simply never learned because he wasn`t taught it, because he has never seen another Quincy use it. I am sure, if taught the same way as Masaki was, he would also be able to summon a bow in different sizes and fire it one handed. I also noticed that Masaki fired arrows in rapid succession, nearly silmutaneously.

Therefore I think it is a combination of both: a lower power level and a lack of knowledge. But although Uryuu might still have a lower power level lower than Masaki, he eventually managed to move past the necessity for a Quincy bracelet.

I completely agree, I think the bracelet is merely a focus. Something to help them concentrate their power but not something that is required. Uryu is a lot like Ichigo. They both show tremendous potential because of the power levels they have acquired without the benefit of formal training. Uryu learned the basics from his grandfather but most everything he has learned he taught himself. Ichigo has had some training but has neither a many lifetimes of experience or the benefit of a formal training period as a shinigami. They are both prodigies of a sort. They have reached very high levels on their own wills and self-motivation alone. That is why whats his face thought Uryu should been much stronger than he. He WOULD be if he had been exposed to all of the techniques. I have no doubt that he would be able to use blut very quickly and may even be using it on his own a little but is not a finished technique. He HAS shown to be durable for a human and survived a lot of abuse to keep fighting when he a human should have been done for the count.

[Seri55]

Ikumi Unagiya is Shiba trio's mother, as well as Kaoru's. She was head of the Unagiya noble family and married to Isshin's brother, who was Ex-10th Division Captain from tbtp arc. She also acted as his vice-Captain and was in line for a promotion.

However she didn't take it because she she was pregnant with Kaoru at the time. Thats why Isshin's brother stepped in to take over the position. The investigation was going on regarding how the Ex-10th Division Captain died and Aizen manipulated the event to shift the blame on her.

She then left SS with Kaoru to protect herself and her youngest son from SS. She realized there was a ulterior motive behind her husbands death and her presence in SS would bring harm to her other children's e.g Kaien/Kukaku/Ganju.

Uhmm I was thinking also that she could be a Shiba somehow..I know this is a cracked theory but what inclinations gave you that she could be a shiba..just curious.

[CrayonsToChaos]

Ikumi - maybe she's a Shiba, sounds like good crack to me ... she has black hair, big boobs like Kuukaku and a Shiba-like attitude, or maybe she's a bodyguard hired by SOMEONE to keep an eye on Ichigo. Either a good person like his dad (which would explain why she didn't notice him turning up in his shinigami form, she was pretending not to notice to disguise the identity of the guy who hired her), or a bad person like ... Aizen! After all he needs to have some eyes on his little prodigy, right? There has to be a reason why she would keep him on as an employee when he's always skiving off.

You guys with your Quincy cross as a focusing element ... that's far too plausible to be crack! There's evidence and everything. XD

[ArcherFromHeaven]

The easiest way to recognize a Shiba is by the nose, so, let's check:

Isshin

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130404014437/bleach/en/images/thumb/4/47/Isshin_wants_to_pee_alone.PNG/640px-Isshin_wants_to_pee_alone.PNG

Kukaku

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091210021455/bleach/en/images/thumb/3/37/Bleach_cover_09.jpg/318px-Bleach_cover_09.jpg

Kaien

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091129211209/bleach/en/images/thumb/2/26/C135_cover_Kaien_Shiba.png/327px-C135_cover_Kaien_Shiba.png

Ganju

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100330225616/bleach/en/images/8/82/Ganju_grabs_Rukia.jpg

Ichigo

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091212022737/bleach/en/images/thumb/b/b6/Ch_054_cover.jpg/304px-Ch_054_cover.jpg

Yuzu

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111025171051/bleach/en/images/thumb/d/d5/Episode_345_Yuzu.png/534px-Episode_345_Yuzu.png

Karin

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111122001727/bleach/en/images/7/79/Ep343KarinWithGhosts.png

And now, onto Ikumi:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101111021114/bleach/en/images/b/bb/UnagiyaIkumi.jpg

and Kaoru:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111102225859/bleach/en/images/e/e1/E344_Kaoru_Mugshot.jpg

[Seri55]

The easiest way to recognize a Shiba is by the nose, so, let's check:

Isshin

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130404014437/bleach/en/images/thumb/4/47/Isshin_wants_to_pee_alone.PNG/640px-Isshin_wants_to_pee_alone.PNG

Kukaku

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091210021455/bleach/en/images/thumb/3/37/Bleach_cover_09.jpg/318px-Bleach_cover_09.jpg

Kaien

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091129211209/bleach/en/images/thumb/2/26/C135_cover_Kaien_Shiba.png/327px-C135_cover_Kaien_Shiba.png

Ganju

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100330225616/bleach/en/images/8/82/Ganju_grabs_Rukia.jpg

Ichigo

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091212022737/bleach/en/images/thumb/b/b6/Ch_054_cover.jpg/304px-Ch_054_cover.jpg

Yuzu

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111025171051/bleach/en/images/thumb/d/d5/Episode_345_Yuzu.png/534px-Episode_345_Yuzu.png

Karin

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111122001727/bleach/en/images/7/79/Ep343KarinWithGhosts.png

And now, onto Ikumi:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101111021114/bleach/en/images/b/bb/UnagiyaIkumi.jpg

and Kaoru:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111102225859/bleach/en/images/e/e1/E344_Kaoru_Mugshot.jpg


Kaoru looks like Kukkaku and Karin--I think that Kaoru's mother could possibly be Isshin's sister (or sister-in-law) but leaning on sister...

[DraMas26]

The easiest way to recognize a Shiba is by the nose, so, let's check:

Isshin

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130404014437/bleach/en/images/thumb/4/47/Isshin_wants_to_pee_alone.PNG/640px-Isshin_wants_to_pee_alone.PNG

Kukaku

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091210021455/bleach/en/images/thumb/3/37/Bleach_cover_09.jpg/318px-Bleach_cover_09.jpg

Kaien

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091129211209/bleach/en/images/thumb/2/26/C135_cover_Kaien_Shiba.png/327px-C135_cover_Kaien_Shiba.png

Ganju

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100330225616/bleach/en/images/8/82/Ganju_grabs_Rukia.jpg

Ichigo

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091212022737/bleach/en/images/thumb/b/b6/Ch_054_cover.jpg/304px-Ch_054_cover.jpg

Yuzu

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111025171051/bleach/en/images/thumb/d/d5/Episode_345_Yuzu.png/534px-Episode_345_Yuzu.png

Karin

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111122001727/bleach/en/images/7/79/Ep343KarinWithGhosts.png

And now, onto Ikumi:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101111021114/bleach/en/images/b/bb/UnagiyaIkumi.jpg

and Kaoru:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111102225859/bleach/en/images/e/e1/E344_Kaoru_Mugshot.jpg



What makes their noses distinct?

They look like every other nose in the series to me.

[ArcherFromHeaven]

What makes their noses distinct?

They look like every other nose in the series to me.

The nose thing is just a joke that popped on the net after young Isshin was showed by the first time because his nose was straight and not broken like it's today, making his face surprisingly more like Ichigo's and those like Kaien's.

It's actually hard to tell if Ikumi looks like the other Shibas bacause Kubo changed his drawing style so dramatically when the Lost Agent Arc started and the Shibas have had so little appearance since then that we just don't have enough pictures to compare.

[bliz]

Uhmm I was thinking also that she could be a Shiba somehow..I know this is a cracked theory but what inclinations gave you that she could be a shiba..just curious.

There really isn't a concrete reason behind it. Only assumptions but mainly stems from Ichigo. I made the theory there was a ulterior motive for her to be this caring towards Ichigo and started connecting dots with assumptions/interesting observations.

For example -

1. She for some reason doesn't want to fire Ichigo, even going far as to kidnap him even though moments ago she wanted to fire him

My interpretation here was either (a) she actually cares about Ichigo, and/or (b) she was tasked with a job of keeping an eye on Ichigo *cough* by Urahara/Isshin.

2. Her son dislikes Ichigo

This caught my attention because no one (any enemy he had to fight) has shown dislike for Ichigo. Why was this boy suddenly disliking Ichigo because frankly whats there to dislike. Then I realized it might the classical case of Ikumi's son feels Ichigo might hook-up with his mother and he doesn't want that i.e become part of his family. However I always felt there was another reason for it and maybe Tite will touch upon it.

3. She stopped Ginjou from revealing important facts/Ichigo nearly broke down mentally

This was the first case which told me there was more to her i.e she is not normal. She had no reason to butt in the discussion but given she did, and at such a crucial point, really hinted she knew more about Ichigo (and/or Kurosaki family). She wasn't just Ichigo's boss but could be actually related to Ichigo in some form or shape.

4. She was outside at night 1pm, the night when Ichigo's family and friends got bookmarked

I really found this scene suspicious. Why was she outside in the night at 1pm? What was she really up to. Its the time of hour people sleep, and given the fact she has a young son, it was specially weird for to be out an-bout. One theory was, she was the mysterious shinigami and gave just gave her power, which is debunked by the fact it turned out to be Rukia.

Then it clicked, she could have been there because she sensed Ichigo was in trouble and went to help him. Again going back to the point she either doing this out of "care" and/or simply her duty to keep an eye on him.

5. The Breast scene

It wasn't that she used her breast to calm Ichigo down thats strange but the fact the scene continued as if it was normal.........nothing comedic or not normal about it at all. If it wasn't for the door bell, who knows how long the scene would have continued or what it could have led to. At this point I realised this was no way a boss-employee relationship because her action was way beyond that and therefore really solidified in my mind there was a another reason behind her caring for Ichigo to this extent. She must be doing all this out of her own violation, not because someone asked her to.

6. A interesting observation regarding Tsukishima

Other than Ikumi, his target always had special power/awareness. Going by that observation I made the hypothesis Ikumi was in fact spiritually aware (and had power) but was hiding it.

7. And her introduction in the new arc

Her reintroduction just made my theory stronger:

a. She really cares for Ichigo given her speech (although claims to be sisterly, except its unusual for a sister to do what she did, point [5])
b. She has to be spiritually aware to see the shinigami substitute badge.

Ichigo may have a broken bankai but nevertheless still has shinigami power. Therefore normal humans can't see the badge.

However there was a new observation -

c. She had a Shiba-like attitude, but more specifically she was head butting Ichigo like Isshin.


Then we find out Isshin is a Shiba and was the new 10th Division Captain. Knowing how the Shiba trio is like Isshin, this basically told me she had to be related to the Shiba-clan and the Shiba trio (and the whole clan) could have got the attitude from her.

In essence I came to the conclusion she could be Isshin's brother's wife and the reason she cares for Ichigo this much could be down to Ichigo somehow linked with her husband.


And the real strange observation I made in this new arc was -

Isshin bothered to knock at the door before entering Ikumi's home.

It made no sense really because Isshin was in his shiniigami form. If Ikumi was just another human then she wouldn't be able to see Isshin anyway. Isshin was basically there to get Ichigo and he could have done that without the knocking, that is unless ............Isshin did this out of respect.

If Ikumi is his elder brothers wife, then it makes sense for Isshin to knock before entering.

I don't buy the idea of Isshin doing this out of courtesy because in that situation it was virtually unwarranted. And Rukia can vouch for me on that since she entered Ichigo's room like it was normal for shinigami to do so without courtesy.

[ArcherFromHeaven]

@bliz

I don't wanna quote all that text so I will point another possibility:


In essence I came to the conclusion she could be Isshin's brother's wife and the reason she cares for Ichigo this much could be down to Ichigo somehow linked with her husband.

And the real strange observation I made in this new arc was -

Isshin bothered to knock at the door before entering Ikumi's home.

It made no sense really because Isshin was in his shiniigami form. If Ikumi was just another human then she wouldn't be able to see Isshin anyway. Isshin was basically there to get Ichigo and he could have done that without the knocking, that is unless ............Isshin did this out of respect.

If Ikumi is his elder brothers wife, then it makes sense for Isshin to knock before entering.

I wouldn't rule out her being his elder sister either (and she kinda looks like Kukaku to me).

We have seen women being heads of clan's before: Yoruichi, Kuukaku (upon Kaien's death) and I think it was said somewhere that Soi Fon was as well.

[Seri55]

There really isn't a concrete reason behind it. Only assumptions but mainly stems from Ichigo. I made the theory there was a ulterior motive for her to be this caring towards Ichigo and started connecting dots with assumptions/interesting observations.

For example -

1. She for some reason doesn't want to fire Ichigo, even going far as to kidnap him even though moments ago she wanted to fire him

My interpretation here was either (a) she actually cares about Ichigo, and/or (b) she was tasked with a job of keeping an eye on Ichigo *cough* by Urahara/Isshin.

2. Her son dislikes Ichigo

This caught my attention because no one (any enemy he had to fight) has shown dislike for Ichigo. Why was this boy suddenly disliking Ichigo because frankly whats there to dislike. Then I realized it might the classical case of Ikumi's son feels Ichigo might hook-up with his mother and he doesn't want that i.e become part of his family. However I always felt there was another reason for it and maybe Tite will touch upon it.

3. She stopped Ginjou from revealing important facts/Ichigo nearly broke down mentally

This was the first case which told me there was more to her i.e she is not normal. She had no reason to butt in the discussion but given she did, and at such a crucial point, really hinted she knew more about Ichigo (and/or Kurosaki family). She wasn't just Ichigo's boss but could be actually related to Ichigo in some form or shape.

4. She was outside at night 1pm, the night when Ichigo's family and friends got bookmarked

I really found this scene suspicious. Why was she outside in the night at 1pm? What was she really up to. Its the time of hour people sleep, and given the fact she has a young son, it was specially weird for to be out an-bout. One theory was, she was the mysterious shinigami and gave just gave her power, which is debunked by the fact it turned out to be Rukia.

Then it clicked, she could have been there because she sensed Ichigo was in trouble and went to help him. Again going back to the point she either doing this out of "care" and/or simply her duty to keep an eye on him.

5. The Breast scene

It was that she used her breast to calm Ichigo down but the fact the scene continued as if it was normal.........nothing comedic at all. If it wasn't for the door bell, who knows how long the scene would have continued or what it could have led to. At this point I realised this was no way a boss-employee relationship because her action was way beyond that and therefore really solidified in my mind there was a another reason behind her caring for Ichigo to this extent. She must be doing all this out of her own violation, not because someone asked her to.

6. A interesting observation regarding Tsukishima

Other than Ikumi, his target always had special power/awareness. Going by that observation I made the hypothesis Ikumi was in fact spiritually aware (and had power) but was hiding it.

7. And her introduction in the new arc

Her reintroduction just made my theory stronger:

a. She really cares for Ichigo given her speech (although claims to be sisterly, except its unusual for a sister to do what she did, point [5])
b. She has to be spiritually aware to see the shinigami substitute badge.

Ichigo may have a broken bankai but nevertheless still has shinigami power. Therefore normal humans can't see the badge.

However there was a new observation -

c. She had a Shiba-like attitude, but more specifically she was head butting Ichigo like Isshin.


Then we find out Isshin is a Shiba and was the new 10th Division Captain. Knowing how the Shiba trio is like Isshin, this basically told me she had to be related to the Shiba-clan and the Shiba trio (and the whole clan) could have got the attitude from her.

In essence I came to the conclusion she could be Isshin's brother's wife and the reason she cares for Ichigo this much could be down to Ichigo somehow linked with her husband.


And the real strange observation I made in this new arc was -

Isshin bothered to knock at the door before entering Ikumi's home.

It made no sense really because Isshin was in his shiniigami form. If Ikumi was just another human then she wouldn't be able to see Isshin anyway. Isshin was basically there to get Ichigo and he could have done that without the knocking, that is unless ............Isshin did this out of respect.

If Ikumi is his elder brothers wife, then it makes sense for Isshin to knock before entering.

I don't by the idea of Isshin doing this out of courtesy because in that situation it was virtually unwarranted. And Rukia can vouch for me on that since she entered Ichigo's room like it was normal for shinigami to do so without courtesy.

Thank you for the explanation..looking at her son, he reminds me of Kukaku and Karin; perhaps if she is not his brother's wife-which she could be..maybe she is Isshin's sister...but maybe the sister law..might sounds right through your very detailed explanation. Thank you again!

[Benigetsu]

Bach :ANTICHRIST
Ichigo: SAVIOR

really,think about it....

[MugetsuOfTheEnd]

I posted this in the chapter discussion, but I'll post it here too

The hollow Isshin and Masaki just fought is not only the source of Ichigo's hollow powers, but his Shinigami powers too

Now this hollow is clearly a Vasto Lorde...which means it's a Gillian made of several hollows

Now Aizen said that they made it into an Arrancar using the Soul of a Shinigami.

Keep these two in mind

Now to become a hollow, someone must die...perhaps a person who looked like this died:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091213231208/bleach/en/images/d/de/Zangetsu_Profile.jpg

he went on to become a Hollow, then a gillian and then a Vasto Lorde

Now then, Aizen captured this Hollow and turned it into a prototype-arrancar using the soul of a Shinigami...a Shinigami who looked like this:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101221194803/bleach/en/images/2/23/Tensa_Zangetsu_(spirit).jpg

Now then, they fused them together, turned into "White" and then this Hollow passed its power onto Masaki...

So two people who looked like Zangetsu died, became a hollow, combined into the same Gillian, and then became a Vasto Lordes that Aizen turned into this proto-arrancar using the Soul of a Shinigami who looked like Tensa Zangetsu.

The kicker? The first person who died (Zangetsu) was Yhwach's son. That explains his resemblance.

So Yhwach's whole "My son, born in the darkness" thing was not aimed at Ichigo, but at Zangetsu.

And since the original Zangetsu was a Quincy, Tensa was a Shinigami, there souls were passed down into Ichigo via the Hollow and Masaki and became Zangetsu and Tensa Zangetsu respectively.

And Hichigo was the leftover residue from the Hollow, that was awakened when Ichigo's chain of fate broke, it was awakened at a crucial moment, just like his Quincy powers.

This is what Tensa meant when he said this:

http://i15.mangareader.net/bleach/411/bleach-2399887.jpg

The hollows power was sealed in Ichigo via Masaki and thus, not a true Zanpakuto Spirit. the name came from Isshin's Engetsu since when Ichigo was conceived, some of Isshin's power transferred with the power left by the Hollow and the Quincy power left by Masaki and all the powers fused together, this is why Ichigo didn't need an Asauchi, Zangetsu was always there, just waiting to be drawn out and was drawn out by Rukia's reiatsu.

Put simply;




HOLLOW
Born from several people, one of them being Yhwach's son who resembled Zangetsu.


SHINIGAMI
The soul of a Shinigami who looked like Tensa Zangetsu was fused to the Hollow creating White.


WHITE ATTACKED MASAKI
Passing it's power to her future son, giving him the following:


SHINIGAMI POWERS
Came from: Isshin & White.
Awakened by: Rukia's reiatsu.


HOLLOW POWERS
Came from: White.
Awakened by: Shattered Shaft and loss of Chain of Fate.


QUINCY POWERS
Came from: Masaki & White.
Awakened by: Quilge's reiatsu.




And thus, our favourite invincible Shonen Hero was born.

[Saiyan5ninetail]

The easiest way to recognize a Shiba is by the nose, so, let's check:

Isshin

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130404014437/bleach/en/images/thumb/4/47/Isshin_wants_to_pee_alone.PNG/640px-Isshin_wants_to_pee_alone.PNG

Kukaku

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091210021455/bleach/en/images/thumb/3/37/Bleach_cover_09.jpg/318px-Bleach_cover_09.jpg

Kaien

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091129211209/bleach/en/images/thumb/2/26/C135_cover_Kaien_Shiba.png/327px-C135_cover_Kaien_Shiba.png

Ganju

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100330225616/bleach/en/images/8/82/Ganju_grabs_Rukia.jpg

Ichigo

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091212022737/bleach/en/images/thumb/b/b6/Ch_054_cover.jpg/304px-Ch_054_cover.jpg

Yuzu

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111025171051/bleach/en/images/thumb/d/d5/Episode_345_Yuzu.png/534px-Episode_345_Yuzu.png

Karin

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111122001727/bleach/en/images/7/79/Ep343KarinWithGhosts.png

And now, onto Ikumi:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101111021114/bleach/en/images/b/bb/UnagiyaIkumi.jpg

and Kaoru:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111102225859/bleach/en/images/e/e1/E344_Kaoru_Mugshot.jpg

I think that Tatsuki also has the Shiba nose a bit, and considering how similar she looks to Kukaku after the time-skip (aside from obvious characteristics) and that in a way she is like a gender-flipped version of Kaien...

[bliz]

@MugetsuOfTheEnd

While the theory you present is interesting but I will give you a alternate theory. However Tensa Zangetsu is .........Zangetsu but only younger. Therefore I don't agree with the distinction your making between Tensa Zangetsu and Zangetsu.



This hollow (White) was originally Isshin's older brother (Ex-10th Division captain from tbtp arc) and was turned into a hollow by Aizen. When the hollow attacked Masaki, she received both shinigami and hollow gene. Few years down the line Masaki will be kidnapped by Bach and twist her view of Shinigami. Bach will have a child with her, aka Ichigo.

As of now this is the only explanation regarding Ichigo's blut ability origin. Until further notice Masaki doesn't have blut ability and neither any association with Bach.

Her association with the Ishida clan is evidence enough. Ishida clan themselves are not in good terms with VR Quincy and rejected the advances in Quincy tech. It makes no sense for Ishida clan to agree to take in Bach's descendant (assuming Masaki is one) or Bach allowing this to even happen given his temperament.

Hence,

One can say Ichigo is a Pure Quincy (Human) but with shinigami and hollow (+fullbring) power.

Bach + Masaki = Quincy origin
Ex-10th Division captain = Shinigami origin, thus explaining why the similar with Isshin and why Ichigo resembles Kaien
White = Hollow origin (including Fullbring)



Maybe I am biased but I really want Ichigo's next enemy to be within his family (not necessarily saying it has to be Bach). That would be a great character development to see how he cope with such a challenge.

[Arkyle]

Ikumi has always been mysterious, but now that she was able to see and hold the badge...oh my, it is pretty obvios she is spiritually aware. Great insights, blitz! But still, saying she is Isshin's sister in law is taking it way too far.

[CrayonsToChaos]

Ikumi has always been mysterious, but now that she was able to see and hold the badge...oh my, it is pretty obvios she is spiritually aware. Great insights, blitz! But still, saying she is Isshin's sister in law is taking it way too far.

Sorry, but Ichigo could also see and hold the badge after he lost his spiritual powers.

o_O;

O_O ... but then again, he was secretly a Quincy. Maybe you're right!

[Soranushi]

Sorry, but Ichigo could also see and hold the badge after he lost his spiritual powers.

o_O;

O_O ... but then again, he was secretly a Quincy. Maybe you're right!

Since this is the crazy theories thread nothing really needs to be attested to, but if I recall correctly the only reason Ichigo could see the badge after he lost his powers was due to it deactivating during that time;).

But now that Ichigo regained his powers the badge reactivated, as that is the only way Ichigo can leave his body without Kon and/or Rukia around, so the invisibility barrier should be active as well:p....

[bliz]

Ikumi has always been mysterious, but now that she was able to see and hold the badge...oh my, it is pretty obvios she is spiritually aware. Great insights, blitz! But still, saying she is Isshin's sister in law is taking it way too far.

While sister-in-law might be pushing it but thats the only logical deduction for now. I contemplated she could be Isshin's sister but I went with established fact, which is Isshin has a older brother. This would logically mean Shiba trio would need to have a mother.

[KAIZER]

here is my theory...Masaki is related to Bach because she can use blut...This is hinted by the fact that SHE DID NOT LOST HER FREAKIN ARM..remember that she was dealing with a hollow that cuts soul-reaper's heads like butter and is able to fight in almost equally with shikai isshin one of the strongest characters in bleach-verse,even with one arm..this can explain Bach's "my son born in darkness" line

[cypress]

If it turns out that Ikumi and Kaoru are really important, then my guess is that they are in fact really Kuukaku and Ganju in fake gigais.
Kaoru didn't said he hates Ichigo, he's just extremly cocky when he speaks to him, exactly the way Ganju acts with Ichigo.
Ikumi is exactly like Kuukaku, it's hard to not notice.
The only odd thing is the way Ikumi acts with her son, it's too much, obviously an act it's out of her character, but she tries to fool her son? Or maybe Ichigo?
And why did they end up like this? A mother with a son, same age Ichigo had when Masaki died, and the way Ikumi protects her son is also very similar to the relationship Ichigo had with Masaki. I suspect Urahara has a hand in this. I don't think Kuukaku wanted to replace Ichigos mom, she tried to be a friend or a big sis to Ichigo. Isshin wanted someone trustful around Ichigo, who can help him, talk to him(remember Ichigo had a hard time back then after he lost the shinigami power) till he's ready for THE conversation, Isshin probably wanted to avoid Ichigo, especially the serious conversations.
They asked Urahara for the gigais and of course he gave these gigais of a mom and her kid with a lame excuse. And when Kuukaku was unable to act like a mom Urahara suggested to ask Isshin how a mom should be like.
And why Urahara did this? Sinse when Urahara needs an excuse to manipulate Ichigo? :)
Also, Isshin already knew Ichigo will be thrown out from the royal palace, who told him Ichigo was sent there in the first place? I think Kuukaku went to the living world personally to apologise to her uncle, and Ishhin knowing what would happen there he asked Kuukaku to stay for a while if Ichigo needs Ikumi's help again. Ikumi said Kaoru is sleeping but in reality he isn't there, he is Ganju and stayed this time in SS to train.

I'm sorry my english isn't great :(

[CrayonsToChaos]

If it turns out that Ikumi and Kaoru are really important, then my guess is that they are in fact really Kuukaku and Ganju in fake gigais.

Brilliant! Best crack theory for Ikumi so far.

[Shiropachi]

Kukaku and Ganju in fake gigais huh? lol great imagination! My crack theory isn't too far off from that, I think she will definitly turn out to be a Shiba. She has the traits of a Shiba, and it would make sense if a member of the Shiba clan, loyal to Ishiin, followed him to the RW. (maybe his sister??)

[jjong]

Kukaku and Ganju in fake gigais huh? lol great imagination! My crack theory isn't too far off from that, I think she will definitly turn out to be a Shiba. She has the traits of a Shiba, and it would make sense if a member of the Shiba clan, loyal to Ishiin, followed him to the RW. (maybe his sister??)

I don't think she is a Shiba, if she was then Ishinn didn't need to have sneakly to get Ichigo to come with him....

In terms of Badge, I think it it will be beacon for Bach to find Ichigo in but ends up taking Ikumi instead. Just a creak theory

[Tensa Zangetsu]

Aizen is a shiba who got separated from his family at birth, that's why he has that unbelievable reatsu and that's why his Zanpakuto is moon related and ends with getsu like ichigo and isshin since they are from the same family.

[Arkyle]

Masaki got infected with the "hollow virus" and the only way for her to stop it was to lose all of her reiatsu. Doing so would mean she would never be able to see Isshin again so Isshin decided to lose his powers as well just to be with Masaki. Awww~ no really, I don't know where this came from lol

[Locke]

One thing we've stopped talking about since the crash of the old site was that the Spirit King is infatuated with Ichigo. The text from that was rather... awkward. It didn't make sense.

That makes me throw this random theory out there -- do you think it's possible that Ikumi is actually a vessel for the Spirit King? Perhaps the Spirit King is usually "sleeping" because in its sleep, it manifests in avatars/vessels in the real world. My thought is potentially that Ikumi's concern/love for Ichigo could actually be related to the Spirit King's. I like the thought that she could be a Shiba, but she's not spiritually aware, since she didn't see Isshin in Shinigami form when the door opened (or perhaps she played like she didn't).

My thought is that the Spirit King likes to see what the world is like and thus inhabits several different vessels in different realms to see what's going on and be relevant in the lives of people. Perhaps that's also why Quincies exterminating hollows is bad too -- the Spirit King experiences life as each of the different souls -- and exterminating a soul that the Spirit King is inhabiting is extremely painful and weakens its power until it generates another one.

I don't think Ikumi is a Shiba -- it's a fun thought, and the post about Ganjou/Kukakku is plausible, but it seems like a stretch.

Another thought -- Isshin was not supposedly just a captain. In a post on the old site, I remember reading an interview with Kubo, where folks asked if Isshin was a Royal Guard, Captain, etc., and Kubo said, "Something completely different." He wears his haoru differently as well... so I'm wondering if there's a bit more to Isshin beyond being the former 10th captain.

[Annstar]

Prediction: Katagiri is Uryu's mom (not a stretch) AND Aizen has another captain working for him...I wana guess Shunsui >.>

[Soranushi]

My crazy theory for the week is that Ichigo is created by Urahara and Isshin attempting to save Masaki from her Hollowfication with the use of Urahara's Hougyokuhttp://s24.postimage.org/6q5gcgs9d/if_Zul3_O.gif.

[ishida]

My crazy theory for the week is that Ichigo is created by Urahara and Isshin attempting to save Masaki from her Hollowfication with the use of Urahara's Hougyokuhttp://s24.postimage.org/6q5gcgs9d/if_Zul3_O.gif.

lol. Urahara basically trapped White's soul and created Ichigo ala Naruto.

[CrayonsToChaos]

Aizen has another captain working for him...I wana guess Shunsui >.>

Wow... that would be awesome. Then we can have a Shunsui vs Ukitake best friends showdown!

[silverquord]

Isshin's going to work with Urahara to use the power of FGT to seal the hollow inside Masaki, including her Quincy powers, so it doesnt come out. Ryuuken will be pissed at Urahara and Isshin for doing this without considering the Quincy side. Masaki will not be treated as Quincy anymore.

Besides, it nicely gives a baseline for future Urahara to "seal" trascendent Aizen and hogyoku. :p

[MiyamotoKenpachi]

i don't know if any1 mentioned this...but i believe..that..Genshirou Okikiba..is actualy Aizen O_o

[my2kb22]

Kenpachi is also a shiba......haha.........kubo always shows parallelism between him and kenpachi.... both are bad at sensing reiatsu...... both are bad at controlling reiatsu........ those 2 are the only once having a fulltime release shikai due to their massive reiatsu..... I don't know but kenpachi maybe was thrown away due to his monstrous power and potential that the other noble branches feared if not controlled so he was cast out as a child far away from the clan..... hehe

[Scarlet Fire]

Wow... that would be awesome. Then we can have a Shunsui vs Ukitake best friends showdown!

Yes, that would be cool, but I'd rather have ukitake as the bad guy, after Ginjou I ache an evil ukitake ;)

[Zanka No Tachi]

i don't know if any1 mentioned this...but i believe..that..Genshirou Okikiba..is actualy Aizen O_o


yep i thought the same.
All too suspicous how Okikiba survived after Bach went into the 1st division barracks. He blows it up (prolly releases Aizen in the process by accident or intentionally)

[Bleach-is-over-9000]

I don't know if someone else has posted this before but I think the whole reason why Tousen underwent hollowfication was that he wanted to gain sight. That would explain why he of all people was sensitive with Whitey's case and why he got so mad after it self-destruct. Also I think he said something in his fight with Komamura implying something of that sort. If you think about it why else didn't Gin get a hollowfication. It was obviously not mandatory. Which means Tousen chose to undergo it. And why would he if it wasn't for something that important. He even seemed so happy in his fight with Komamura when he could actually see that would make you think he had wanted and sought it for all his life.

[CrayonsToChaos]

Should we be concerned that the black hollow's name, White/Whitey is the same as Hitsugaya's nickname "Shiro-chan" (Translates pretty much as whitey ... shiro being white, -chan being a cutesy ending)? Are they related?! We have to know!

[cypress]

It just occurred to me. Whitey had something to do with Sado's fullbring too?
Sado is different from the other fullbringers, one of he's fullbring arm is black, if i remember right the others didn't have any black in their fullbring.

[Arkyle]

It just occurred to me. Whitey had something to do with Sado's fullbring too?
Sado is different from the other fullbringers, one of he's fullbring arm is black, if i remember right the others didn't have any black in their fullbring.

Invaders must die is black everywhere and The dirty boots are black boots. I don't think the color has anything to do with the actual powers. IMO it is more likely Chad's fullbring evolves even further as he never experienced the same explotion Ichigo did when he completed his.

[MaskedOne]

All this Ikumi talk fits in rather well with my Kaien/Ichigo theory. If she is a Shiba, she is Kaiens, Kukakus, and Ganjus mother. Understand her connection with Ichigo? She is his spiritual mother; Ichigo is her way of having her oldest still around in spirit.

[cypress]

Sorry i wasn't precise in my post. When I said their fullbring is fully white I was referring to the bone like thing covering their body, and not the object which stores their power, the boots, the PSP or in Sado's case probably he's necklace.
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[xst72cl]

Just a thought but what if the reason no one in the 13 squads recognizes Isshin is because Aizen did not want any interference with his experiment of Isshin, Masaki, and hollow mixing, so he used his Zanpakuto to ersase the memory of Isshin from them. That way the experiment could go on without them knowing?

[Scarlet Fire]

Just a thought but what if the reason no one in the 13 squads recognizes Isshin is because Aizen did not want any interference with his experiment of Isshin, Masaki, and hollow mixing, so he used his Zanpakuto to ersase the memory of Isshin from them. That way the experiment could go on without them knowing?

As far as we know, Kyoka Suigetsu can manipulate senses, but it can't manipulate/erase memories... surely there must be important reasons why Isshin lost his powers, his house crumbled and he stayed away from SS, living as human, and Aizen surely has a major part in these events, but I don't think kyoka suigetsu's power can explain that ;)

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Just a thought but what if the reason no one in the 13 squads recognizes Isshin is because Aizen did not want any interference with his experiment of Isshin, Masaki, and hollow mixing, so he used his Zanpakuto to ersase the memory of Isshin from them. That way the experiment could go on without them knowing?

As far as we know, Kyoka Suigetsu can manipulate senses, but it can't manipulate/erase memories... surely there must be important reasons why Isshin lost his powers, his house crumbled and he stayed away from SS, living as human, and Aizen surely has a major part in these events, but I don't think kyoka suigetsu's power can explain that ;)

[xst72cl]

Maybe his bankai has that ability or since Kyoka Suigetsu manipulates senses when people see Isshin they see a different face when looking at him?

[Franco]

Bach resurrects Masaki as his floozy undead crony/trump card.

[Arkyle]

Sorry i wasn't precise in my post. When I said their fullbring is fully white I was referring to the bone like thing covering their body, and not the object which stores their power, the boots, the PSP or in Sado's case probably he's necklace.
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Oh, yeah, but they are white because of Ichigo's fullbring, which was white. Their original fullbrings (not the object, the actual fullbrings) are black. The dirty boots are black, the fullbring form, as well as the energy that creates the isolated space pockets in invaders must die.

[mlickko]

I think it's time for me to contribute to this thread.

We learned that Isshin's zanpaktou is Engetsu and it fire-based.
During the FKT arc Isshin used the Getsuga Tensho, but we never saw him release his shikai.
On the other hand, Isshin during the FKT was a lot stronger than Isshin in these flashbacks.
Theory: Isshin, after encountering Whitey, and being hurt (his body and his pride too - he was saved by a girl). Sometime after this flasback and before him losing his powers, he learned FGT from his Engetsu, as he confirmed that Engetsu didn't want to teach him that. (Well, we don't know for sure if he actually learned it, but the manga supports it).
When he learned FGT he fused with his Zanpaktou and they became one, therefore it can explain as why was he so strong (overpowering Aizen) and why he could use Getsuga Tensho without releasing shikai...since he's one with his zanpaktou he doesn't need to realease his sword anymore.

That's about the theory. Now, I have a question for the smart people.

Urahara Kisuke is a shady character and he seems to have his fingers in most of the happening in Bleach as we could already see him in the last flashback.
How do you think Urahara was able to help Ichigo at the beginning? The Shattered Shaft? He had to have done some experiments before. How did he know it would turn this way? (And since it's Urahara, I sure he was sure of it) Why was he so adamant that they would use that method. Why didn't he just transferred some of his reiatsu to Ichigo and jumpstart Ichigo's own?
Was he aware that Ichigo's quincy side would suck him dry? (lol, what a lame pun :D)
Could it be that he wanted Ichigo to develop his hollow as some kind of his own experiment?
Or did something similar happen to Masaki?

[Lortastic]

Hmm...

Maybe the Shinigami that was used to make Whitey was actually Ywach's brother that died as a human and became a Shinigami in Soul Society.

[Shiropachi]

Urahara Kisuke is a shady character and he seems to have his fingers in most of the happening in Bleach as we could already see him in the last flashback.
How do you think Urahara was able to help Ichigo at the beginning? The Shattered Shaft? He had to have done some experiments before. How did he know it would turn this way? (And since it's Urahara, I sure he was sure of it) Why was he so adamant that they would use that method. Why didn't he just transferred some of his reiatsu to Ichigo and jumpstart Ichigo's own?
Was he aware that Ichigo's quincy side would suck him dry? (lol, what a lame pun :D)
Could it be that he wanted Ichigo to develop his hollow as some kind of his own experiment?
Or did something similar happen to Masaki?

I'll attempt to answer some of this,

I think that Urahara didn't know for sure, but he had a very good hunch at first. But no solid proof. He studied the vizards for a long time I bet. By doing so he gained a pretty good understanding to the nature of hollowfication. All he needed now was to test his theory out. I agree that he did experiments with this before Ichigo. Jinta did hint at that durning Shattered Shaft. It seems a little "evil" now that I think about it. What happened to those others? did they turn to hollows and were killed? But after he got a handle on the sequence of a soul transforming into a hollow he probably planned for Ichigo to be next. And with his knowledge of Ichigo's roots together with his understanding of how the vizards came to be, he was confident Ichigo would make the transition.

Next, if Urahara gave Ichigo some of his reiatsu to "jump start" his powers it wouldn't have been any different to when Rukia did the same. I think Urahara wanted Ichigo to gain access to his own power. By doing so Ichigo's power would most likely be more stable.

[ArcherFromHeaven]

Something that has been in my mind for a while... I think Urahara is actually a descendant of the Soul King (if not his son) and that he was raised by the Shinohuin family because, even though his father did not want competition for the throne around, he new that if the linchpin falls, everything ends, including himself, so he let Urahara live as a way of assuring his soul to still exist in case someone/something kills him. As for Tessai, he might be:

a) a guard sent with Urahara to keep an eye on him
b) a bastard child of the Shinohuin head (kind of making him Yoruichi's half brother)
c) any other crazy thing

[checkmate824]

I think Ukitake is conspicuously missing from all of the recent events. Before the flashback, the old school Shinigami were becoming more and more important. Unohana finally showed her powers (side note: if she's really dead, I'm furious), Zaraki ascended, Kyoraku got promoted, but nothing about Ukitake. We know he's somewhat shady from Ginjou's statements, as well as the fact that he was most likely involved in a lot of the events from the early part of the series (clearly in touch with Urahara and Yoroichi the entire time and most likely involved with putting the Hogyoku into Rukia, who was his subordinate). I don't know what his deal is, but I think he's just as shady as Kisuke.

[mlickko]

I'll attempt to answer some of this,

I think that Urahara didn't know for sure, but he had a very good hunch at first. But no solid proof. He studied the vizards for a long time I bet. By doing so he gained a pretty good understanding to the nature of hollowfication. All he needed now was to test his theory out. I agree that he did experiments with this before Ichigo. Jinta did hint at that durning Shattered Shaft. It seems a little "evil" now that I think about it. What happened to those others? did they turn to hollows and were killed? But after he got a handle on the sequence of a soul transforming into a hollow he probably planned for Ichigo to be next. And with his knowledge of Ichigo's roots together with his understanding of how the vizards came to be, he was confident Ichigo would make the transition.

Next, if Urahara gave Ichigo some of his reiatsu to "jump start" his powers it wouldn't have been any different to when Rukia did the same. I think Urahara wanted Ichigo to gain access to his own power. By doing so Ichigo's power would most likely be more stable.

So you agree that Urahara is making Ichigo one of his experiments same as Aizen?
I love the guy but I fear we'll lear something that will make us hate him.

[Shiropachi]

So you agree that Urahara is making Ichigo one of his experiments same as Aizen?
I love the guy but I fear we'll lear something that will make us hate him.

Well I don't know. I too have had suspicious feelings about Urahara. But there are moments in the manga that show that he is extremely caring for others. Technically I think you can say that he made Ichigo one of his experiments. But really those souls he captured before hand were the true experiments that lead to his "creation" of Ichigo. So maybe it's better to label Ichigo as an invention of Urahara based off of past experiments.

I do however think there is a reason behind him using Ichigo. I'm not so sure it was for an evil purpose though. Urahara is a brilliant man, maybe even more so than Aizen. He most certainly foresaw all this turmoil on the horizen (the events we have witnessed and maybe some that we havent yet also). At some point in the past he probably decided that there was going to be a need for Ichigo. Urahara knew his potential power level was beyond anything ever witnessed and he knew Ichigo's nature of wanting to protect anyone not fortunate enough to be able to protect themselves. These two attributes coupled together in one being was the answer. Urahara just facilitated this.

[Benigetsu]

What is Aizen was the one who killed tousen's friend ,like actually was her husband ?


What if him and Gin ,planned on killing Aizen from the begining ,but failed ?

[Riki]

Kubo watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I was watching an episode, and it was where Dawn finds out she's the 'key' and cuts her arm - just thought back to the whole RR 'keys' and wondered if that's where Kubo got the idea from . . . ;)

[Minerva]

Kubo watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I was watching an episode, and it was where Dawn finds out she's the 'key' and cuts her arm - just thought back to the whole RR 'keys' and wondered if that's where Kubo got the idea from . . . ;)
Hmm, interesting idea actually. Enough of the pieces fit.

What if the Ouken that Yamamoto had mentioned way back when is the reason for the unbalancing of the worlds and the dimensional tearing, then? The Shinigami exist to protect the balance between the worlds; the Quincy insist on doing things to undo that balance. Does that mean the Shinigami are indirecting protecting that other Ouken?

[Sacred Knight]

I don't know if this really qualifies as outright crack, but all the same there really isn't nothing to substantiate it: I still say as all this current stuff is going on, Byakuya is currently training Rukia to learn Bankai.

[keitoz]

I don't know if this really qualifies as outright crack, but all the same there really isn't nothing to substantiate it: I still say as all this current stuff is going on, Byakuya is currently training Rukia to learn Bankai.

That. Would be awesome.
But would his pride as a man - who went through blood, sweat, and tears to achieve it - allow it?
Not just that, but after his recent brutal loss, would he even have the mentality for something like that?

Right now we don't know how Byakuya would react to his loss. He thought he was dead. Now he'll wake up with the shame of being unable to protect and going "so low" as to beg for Ichigo's "help".

Still though, that'd be awesome. Grrr... I wonder if Kubo would ever have Rukia powerup like that. DDD:
I don't see why not.

[Andygoesrawr]

I don't know if this really qualifies as outright crack, but all the same there really isn't nothing to substantiate it: I still say as all this current stuff is going on, Byakuya is currently training Rukia to learn Bankai.

Ugh, that would be so good. I don't particularly like Rukia, but she has potential to have a really good Bankai. Plus if Byakuya has lost his Zanpakuto forever (although he's in the Royal Realm so he could just get another Asauchi), it would be like passing on his legacy to her.


That. Would be awesome.
But would his pride as a man - who went through blood, sweat, and tears to achieve it - allow it?
Not just that, but after his recent brutal loss, would he even have the mentality for something like that?

Rukia is his pride now. He's somebody who's already achieved Bankai - the highest level of power for Shinigami. Being able to pass that on to the next generation of his family is absolutely something to be proud of.

[Sacred Knight]

That. Would be awesome.
But would his pride as a man - who went through blood, sweat, and tears to achieve it - allow it?
Not just that, but after his recent brutal loss, would he even have the mentality for something like that?

Right now we don't know how Byakuya would react to his loss. He thought he was dead. Now he'll wake up with the shame of being unable to protect and going "so low" as to beg for Ichigo's "help".

Still though, that'd be awesome. Grrr... I wonder if Kubo would ever have Rukia powerup like that. DDD:
I don't see why not.
Yeah, it was said best above, Rukia is his pride. He has a weird way of showing his love for her but since recanting on his dumb decision to just let her be executed, his love for her has been proven. Add to that this is a very unique set of circumstances with these Vandenreich, he knows first hand their strength. As a whole SS needs to toughen up and toughen up fast.

As far as the mental effects of his loss, I think it'll be anger. The shame of this defeat I think is going to break a bit of that stoic persona he's built up and reveal a bit of the old hothead underneath. I think we're going to see a bit of that shameless warrior nature that was hinted at during his fight with Tsukishima.

[Tom2rules]

Something tells me Aes Noedt will enjoy that. He seems like a masokiss

0-0, oh god...that image isn't going to be leaving my head any time soon...IT BURNS!!!

Oh well.

In order for Ichigo to learn how to use his Blut effectively, he will need to learn how to use it on command. Seeing how he has only ever used it unknowingly and by reaction to a dangerous combat situation, Ichigo will have to be put in a similar situation to learn how to control it.

So...Ichigo will have to fight someone where the activation of his blut is more likely, as in fighting in a manor where he is far more likely to be gravely wounded (like without a way to effectively fight back or defend himself) and against a extremely powerful foe (maybe not Bach level but someone powerful that can push Ichigo to the length that is needed).

So, Ichigo may have to fight someone without a weapon (Aka: No Zangetsu) and against someone like Isshin or Ryuuken.

[Seri55]

0-0, oh god...that image isn't going to be leaving my head any time soon...IT BURNS!!!

Oh well.

In order for Ichigo to learn how to use his Blut effectively, he will need to learn how to use it on command. Seeing how he has only ever used it unknowingly and by reaction to a dangerous combat situation, Ichigo will have to be put in a similar situation to learn how to control it.

So...Ichigo will have to fight someone where the activation of his blut is more likely, as in fighting in a manor where he is far more likely to be gravely wounded (like without a way to effectively fight back or defend himself) and against a extremely powerful foe (maybe not Bach level but someone powerful that can push Ichigo to the length that is needed).

So, Ichigo may have to fight someone without a weapon (Aka: No Zangetsu) and against someone like Isshin or Ryuuken.

I think perhaps Ichigo and Ishida will fight...just a thought.

[Tom2rules]

I think perhaps Ichigo and Ishida will fight...just a thought.

Eh, I was thinking someone like Isshin due to the fact that it would be more similar to the situation with Bach (where Ichigo had to defend himself against a bladed weapon). Ryuuken would be similar to Uyru...but personally my idea comes from the idea that this has to happen with a very powerful foe (Uyru is strong...but not THAT strong).

I would like to see Uyru take Ichigo on...but personally I would rather have it when Ichigo isn't handicapped (like my idea is with him doing this without Zangetsu).

Also Uyru would need to get his boost in power before this happens (we know he will get one, but it depends on when he does get it) seeing how at the moment at least Ichigo could catch Opie's arrows with his bare hands and described his arrows as much stronger the Uyru's (or at least since we last saw them).

[bliz]

While thinking about Ichigo's birth:

Its possible Ichigo doesn't have a father at all. Ichigo was conceived due to the hollows target hollowification thing.

[Zanka No Tachi]

Then what about Yuzu and Karin, are they also the "children" of the hollow?

[bliz]

Then what about Yuzu and Karin, are they also the "children" of the hollow?

By then Masaki married Isshin and happily ever after.

[blitzmaster]

1st time poster here.

I was wondering about isshin's gigai and how it seems like he aged. What if he actually became a regular human and he doesn't really have a gigai? That would explain how he can have kids and age like a regular human. Urahara and the Visoreds have been living in gigais in the real world for much longer than isshin and they haven't aged. Just doesn't make much sense that isshin's gigai would age when the other shinigami expats don't age...

[Zanka No Tachi]

@bliz, so the hollow reproduced with a quincy with just a bite lol.
But who knows, id lol if that happens; if the "dead shinigami" was Kaein who "bit" Masaki and out came Ichigo. It would explain the similar looks but it is now pointless considering we know Isshin is from the Shiba household)

@master,
Could have been a specially made gigai that Urahara made for Isshin so he live a "normal" human life..it would be wierd if he remained young while his wife became an old lady

[blitzmaster]

I have few other crack theories bouncing around my head.

I think that old man yama may trained isshin personally. Kinda how the old capt commander did w/ Kenpachi Zaraki and kendo. Nothing more than a hunch tho. They have similar fire type zans and he was kinda lenient to Isshin when he came back from fighting whitey.

I also have a suspicion that GT is an attack that any shinigami can do and it isn't an attack that is specific only to zangetsu/engetsu - kinda how both yoruichi and soi fon can do shunko. I don't think a zans ability is hereditary.

[Dybia]

Wild theory now that we know Masaki actually hollowfied, but I'm gonna guess that Isshin said he couldn't save Masaki that NIGHT(When she was attacked during the day) because after the attack she relapsed, hollowfied, and he had to kill her.

[Herakles]

Wild theory now that we know Masaki actually hollowfied, but I'm gonna guess that Isshin said he couldn't save Masaki that NIGHT(When she was attacked during the day) because after the attack she relapsed, hollowfied, and he had to kill her.


The Omake mentions that both Isshin and Ichigo blame themselves for Masaki's death, then it poses "what is the truth of the matter?"

http://puu.sh/2BHcC

Even for a crack theory, I doubt Isshin has anything to really do with it.

[Locke]

Random thought, which some people have I think formed less concrete ideas on:

Perhaps a Quincy's powers disappear upon damage/contamination from Hollows. Since Hollows are shown/compared to demons/monsters, and Quincies are angelic/Christian in nature, maybe the Quincies are originally a pure/untainted race that all Humans came from. Every Human started as a Quincy, but as they became more and more injured/attacked by Hollows, they became less pure and became "normal" Humans. Like Hollows are fed by the Reiatsu originally from Humans.

Which then leads to the entire arrogance/high/mighty attitude of the Quincies.

We can also establish that it may be possible that Shinigami are a somewhat recent addition to the entire world/universe of Bleach (because the Shinigami Academy is recent) -- the concept of Shinigami may be somewhat old, but they were less organized/structured and were fundamentally different from the Shinigami we know of today. Perhaps they were created to uphold balance between the two "races" as a mediator, which is why they're favored by the Soul King (and perhaps why the Vandenreich are irritated/angry at the Shinigami to begin with -- the Shinigami took their place).

However, over the course of evolution, third-party powers have shown up -- Fullbringers, etc. Perhaps Orihime's powers are another evolution of a new kind of soul/race, and she's the first of her kind... However, I'm starting to suspect that Orihime and Masaki are actually going to be the same thing -- Masaki loses some of her quincy potential (Orihime already started with weakened reiatsu/impure Quincy) and the Hollow reiatsu embeds itself otherwise creating a "new" kind of race. I suspect that Masaki isn't particularly special -- but "White" who attacked her was -- and the virus infecting it that spread to her was unique. Masaki is probably an artificial manifestation of this race, while Orihime is just a diluted bloodline that had the right parameters and formed a natural version.

Weird thought, but maybe possible?

[Dybia]

Another theory, this one not very important, but I'm gonna call it that Ryuuken's mom is flipping out about pure blooded quincies because after she had Ryuuken she was wounded by a hollow and only had screwed up children or miscarriages after that. I say that because of the wound on the back of her leg in this chapter it took me a couple of readings to notice.

[blitzmaster]

I have a crack theory... about the VR...

I think they're all gemischt... w/ the possible exception of Yahwch... and katigiri is probably a high ranking one at present time...

[Arkyle]

Isshin is giving Masaki his shinigami powers so she develops an inner world where to fight the hollow in. That was his crime! The one who used FGT afterwards was not Isshin, but Masaki. That's how he knows of the technique.

[WanderingMinstrel]

I forgot who said it, was it Aizen or Ulqiuorra that commented on Orihime having changed because of being with them.

What if it's in relation to the fact that she to was bitten by a hollow, that hollow being her brother but at the same time he did have a sense of humanity which means he could have been closer to the concept of an arrancar. Maybe because she was a human with no special powers at the time the same curse that came upon Masaki hasn't occured to Orihime yet or maybe it was Rukia's medical treatment that helped Orihime.

What if though, Orihime ends up going through the same thing as Masaki, a tumblr post made me realize that this flashback does hold a low of parrarels to the story as a whole in the sense that both Orihime and Masaki were bit by the hollow on the shoulder, Orihime "defeated" the hollow through love but Masaki used it as a tactic to defeat the hollow however what remains is the fact that Orihime was bit by the hollow.

A change may still be occurring in her that has just taken longer to manifest itself because it wasn't as strong as a hollow that Masaki had or maybe Urahara secretly helped Orihime without her knowledge.

Maybe the reality is that she wasn't fit for battle, but putting her into sucha difficult situation would be dangerous, maybe Urahara really was the one that wanted to save Orihime after being captured because he knew what Aizen might want to do with her. It's why he helped the other Captains with no issue coming to aid Ichigo in gang after going in themselves since in Urahara's eyes Orihime is very important.

Aizen may have actually have had plans for her or he feigned having plans for her because he knew that Urahara knew what occured to Masaki.

[Lady Rukia]

Next chapter:

Kisuke invits Ryûken and Isshin in order to drink in a bar close to Urahara's shop.

Masaki is reincarnated as Harribel meanwhile.

Ryûken and Isshin think this transformation is a dream caused by alcohol.

Both think it's a great idea to stop drinking for life.

End of story.

[keitoz]

BAHHAHA Harribel.
Then Ryukens mom dies and eventually ends up as Nel

OMG. LOL.

On a more serious note, Nnoitra is still loitering around somewhere in HM.
Despite having a more resolute ending than Grimmjow, he did receive the same wounds as him.

[Minerva]

^ More likely than you think. Unohana and crew were making themselves useful to the fallen Arrancar. Someone had to heal up Grimmjow; he doesn't have high-speed regeneration like Ulquiorra and Nnoitra.

We may yet have more survivors turn up in HM. :elmo

[Zanka No Tachi]

^ More likely than you think. Unohana and crew were making themselves useful to the fallen Arrancar. Someone had to heal up Grimmjow; he doesn't have high-speed regeneration like Ulquiorra and Nnoitra.

We may yet have more survivors turn up in HM. :elmo

The only problem with Nnoitra is that he wanted to die fighting to the death and Kubo only mentioned the return of Harribel, Nel and Grimmjow from the espada rankings

[Desmond Miles]

Next chapter -

Urahara: The only cure.... is for a Shinigami to impregnate her.

Ryuuken: WHAT?! *Flips table*

Ishinn: :eek:

[Minerva]

The only problem with Nnoitra is that he wanted to die fighting to the death and Kubo only mentioned the return of Harribel, Nel and Grimmjow from the espada rankings
He wanted to die on his feet, actually -- like Yamamoto. :amuse To take his last breath and drop. A strange thing for a Hollow to want.

All Kubo said was which ones would show as Ichigo's allies. I would never expect Nnoitra to show up like that; there is no such bond between them, not like Ichigo has with Nel (of course) and Grimmjow, and Harribel being held hostage makes her an ally for whoever remembers to rescue her. Kubo didn't mention any other random Arrancar on the protagonist side (which we have seen, like Loly and Menoly), and he didn't mention any Arrancar on the antagonist side (which we also have seen). It leaves plenty of options for more survivors to show up.

[mlickko]

He wanted to die on his feet, actually -- like Yamamoto. :amuse To take his last breath and drop. A strange thing for a Hollow to want.

All Kubo said was which ones would show as Ichigo's allies. I would never expect Nnoitra to show up like that; there is no such bond between them, not like Ichigo has with Nel (of course) and Grimmjow, and Harribel being held hostage makes her an ally for whoever remembers to rescue her. Kubo didn't mention any other random Arrancar on the protagonist side (which we have seen, like Loly and Menoly), and he didn't mention any Arrancar on the antagonist side (which we also have seen). It leaves plenty of options for more survivors to show up.

No he did not. He said which Espada would return. Not Espada that are Ichigo's friends. If he was mentioning only Espada that were on friendly terms with Ichigo he wouldn't mention that Hallibel will return, he wouldn't mention that Starrk won't return as so on.

[Sacred Knight]

Next chapter -

Urahara: The only cure.... is for a Shinigami to impregnate her.

Ryuuken: WHAT?! *Flips table*

Ishinn: :eek:
I've thought about that...but I don't think I'd care for it. Ichigo conceived out of necessity instead of love kinda rubs me the wrong way.

[Minerva]

No he did not. He said which Espada would return. Not Espada that are Ichigo's friends. If he was mentioning only Espada that were on friendly terms with Ichigo he wouldn't mention that Hallibel will return, he wouldn't mention that Starrk won't return as so on.
No.

Kubo-sensei confesses! The Arrancar are also in his plans!!
Tite Interview
Q: In the new arc, the shinigami will of course be represented, but will other characters from the past also appear?
Kubo: Yes, if the arrancar appear, I think they will stand with the shinigami.
Q: Will there be characters that appear in the role of a friend?
Kubo: Ulquiorra has already turned into ash. Grimmjow might become a friend. Also, what about Harribel, who is still alive? But, I wonder how I’d bring them out of Hueco Mundo. I think Harribel would not leave Hueco Mundo.
Q: Was the idea of arrancars becoming friends in your plans before this break? Or was it just a feeling that they might return?
Kubo: “They might appear.” Or it could be that “they might not appear.” (laughs) Even if they did appear, it wouldn’t be individually, but as a group.
Q: What about Nel?
Kubo: I think I will let Nel appear.
Q: I’d really like to see her interactions with Kon.
Kubo: Kon did not appear in the Lost Agent arc. But to tell the truth, he has rarely appeared since the end of the Soul Society arc, roughly five years ago. (laugh) People who only recently started reading might not know that he exists. (laugh)
Q: It can’t be that you’ve forgotten him?
Kubo: (laugh)

Bolding mine. He also mentioned Ulquiorra, too bad that he turned to ash.

Friends/nakama. This is not all the Arrancar who will appear as we have seen already. It doesn't mention Starrk at all either. If you're getting that from the editor's guesses in the 3 week omake, Nnoitra and Zommari had the same chance of showing that Starrk did (tiny chance).

Let's keep our facts straight even if this is the crack thread. It gives us something to build on. :elmo I say the odds of Nnoitra showing are good since the editor who knows where Kubo is going with this thinks Nnoitra might show up; it's not entirely a crack theory.

[Sariniste]

Next chapter -

Urahara: The only cure.... is for a Shinigami to impregnate her.

Ryuuken: WHAT?! *Flips table*

Ishinn: :eek:
LOL! This is hilarious, Desmond! ;) :lmao

Although, seriously, I wonder if Urahara is going to say something about Masaki becoming pregnant and what the effect could be on her offspring. I wonder if Urahara will explain the process of healing Masaki and if Ryuuken will see that Masaki can no longer serve her ostensible purpose of continuing the pure-blood line of the Quincies. I hope Urahara gives us more background on the structure of Bleach physical laws.

[Zanka No Tachi]

No.

Kubo-sensei confesses! The Arrancar are also in his plans!!
Tite Interview
Q: In the new arc, the shinigami will of course be represented, but will other characters from the past also appear?
Kubo: Yes, if the arrancar appear, I think they will stand with the shinigami.
Q: Will there be characters that appear in the role of a friend?
Kubo: Ulquiorra has already turned into ash. Grimmjow might become a friend. Also, what about Harribel, who is still alive? But, I wonder how I’d bring them out of Hueco Mundo. I think Harribel would not leave Hueco Mundo.
Q: Was the idea of arrancars becoming friends in your plans before this break? Or was it just a feeling that they might return?
Kubo: “They might appear.” Or it could be that “they might not appear.” (laughs) Even if they did appear, it wouldn’t be individually, but as a group.
Q: What about Nel?
Kubo: I think I will let Nel appear.
Q: I’d really like to see her interactions with Kon.
Kubo: Kon did not appear in the Lost Agent arc. But to tell the truth, he has rarely appeared since the end of the Soul Society arc, roughly five years ago. (laugh) People who only recently started reading might not know that he exists. (laugh)
Q: It can’t be that you’ve forgotten him?
Kubo: (laugh)

Bolding mine. He also mentioned Ulquiorra, too bad that he turned to ash.

Friends/nakama. This is not all the Arrancar who will appear as we have seen already. It doesn't mention Starrk at all either. If you're getting that from the editor's guesses in the 3 week omake, Nnoitra and Zommari had the same chance of showing that Starrk did (tiny chance).

Let's keep our facts straight even if this is the crack thread. It gives us something to build on. :elmo I say the odds of Nnoitra showing are good since the editor who knows where Kubo is going with this thinks Nnoitra might show up; it's not entirely a crack theory.

I dunno, I think if Nnoitra survived Kenpachi's double Kendo, he would feel even more angry that he was spared yet again as if he wasnt a worthy opponent.
I feel he would have no motivation to train and get stronger but rather to be left dead.

If he did survive and was motivated for some reason, he'd be out causing havoc and killing all hollows/arrancars while under Harribel's ruling.
Harribel or for sure - Vandenreich must have definitely noticed him if he was still alive.
Grimmjow on the other hand appears to have kept a low profile.

Also if Nnoitra is not to be returned as an ally, then this will become repetitive and someone else will have to cut him down..juz saying altho its upto Kubo how he wud fit him in to the story if not an ally.

[mlickko]

No.

Kubo-sensei confesses! The Arrancar are also in his plans!!
Tite Interview
Q: In the new arc, the shinigami will of course be represented, but will other characters from the past also appear?
Kubo: Yes, if the arrancar appear, I think they will stand with the shinigami.
Q: Will there be characters that appear in the role of a friend?
Kubo: Ulquiorra has already turned into ash. Grimmjow might become a friend. Also, what about Harribel, who is still alive? But, I wonder how I’d bring them out of Hueco Mundo. I think Harribel would not leave Hueco Mundo.
Q: Was the idea of arrancars becoming friends in your plans before this break? Or was it just a feeling that they might return?
Kubo: “They might appear.” Or it could be that “they might not appear.” (laughs) Even if they did appear, it wouldn’t be individually, but as a group.
Q: What about Nel?
Kubo: I think I will let Nel appear.
Q: I’d really like to see her interactions with Kon.
Kubo: Kon did not appear in the Lost Agent arc. But to tell the truth, he has rarely appeared since the end of the Soul Society arc, roughly five years ago. (laugh) People who only recently started reading might not know that he exists. (laugh)
Q: It can’t be that you’ve forgotten him?
Kubo: (laugh)

Bolding mine. He also mentioned Ulquiorra, too bad that he turned to ash.

Friends/nakama. This is not all the Arrancar who will appear as we have seen already. It doesn't mention Starrk at all either. If you're getting that from the editor's guesses in the 3 week omake, Nnoitra and Zommari had the same chance of showing that Starrk did (tiny chance).

Let's keep our facts straight even if this is the crack thread. It gives us something to build on. :elmo I say the odds of Nnoitra showing are good since the editor who knows where Kubo is going with this thinks Nnoitra might show up; it's not entirely a crack theory.

Well that's an interesting translation of the interview. I read different one where the thing in bold wasn't present. So I'd say, let's wait.

[Scarlet Fire]

Next chapter -

Urahara: The only cure.... is for a Shinigami to impregnate her.

Ryuuken: WHAT?! *Flips table*

Ishinn: :eek:

Ahah, in that case the question would be why Urahara didn't do it himself, but contacted Isshin ;)

[Minerva]

I dunno, I think if Nnoitra survived Kenpachi's double Kendo, he would feel even more angry that he was spared yet again as if he wasnt a worthy opponent.
I feel he would have no motivation to train and get stronger but rather to be left dead.

If he did survive and was motivated for some reason, he'd be out causing havoc and killing all hollows/arrancars while under Harribel's ruling.
Harribel or for sure - Vandenreich must have definitely noticed him if he was still alive.
Grimmjow on the other hand appears to have kept a low profile.
Arrancars don't (normally) train to get stronger anyway. :p

In Nnoitra's case though, he was supposed to come up with a reason to fight. If he did -- like Starrk and Ulquiorra figured out what was important -- he would no longer be fighting out of boredom. Kubo set precedent with Unohana having once been a criminal in SS before she met Zaraki. There is almost always room for characters to turn and become good.


Also if Nnoitra is not to be returned as an ally, then this will become repetitive and someone else will have to cut him down..juz saying altho its upto Kubo how he wud fit him in to the story if not an ally.
Kubo has differentiated between Ichigo's allies and SS's allies before. There is also the SS arc situation in which antagonists turn during the battles. That provides a couple of options if Kubo wants to include him.

[ArcherFromHeaven]

I want you all to look at this page:

http://s22.postimg.org/dbukvmn8h/bleach_4069203.jpg

See how she lowers her eyes towards her stomach when she explains why she gave away Masaki? One would think she is embarrassed or shy or whatever and doesn't dare to look Ryuken in the eye, but then, I remembered Kubo saying that he sometimes excludes backgrounds to have the focus on the character, and, even if there is no background to draw in that picture, being it such an emotional situation, why did he leave Katagiri's face out in preference for her belly?

So, here, I decided to play with Katagiri's kanjis:

片 -> leaf; one-sided; right-side kata radical (no. 91);sheet (http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E7%89%87)

桐 -> paulownia (jisho.org/kanji/details/桐 )

I did some research on Wikipedia:


They are native to much of China, south to northern Laos and Vietnam, and long cultivated elsewhere in eastern Asia, notably in Japan and Korea (...)

Paulownia is known in Japanese as kiri (桐), specifically referring to P. tomentosa; it is also known as the "princess tree". It was once customary to plant a Paulownia tree when a baby girl was born, and then to make it into a dresser as a wedding present when she married. Paulownia is the mon of the office of prime minister and also serves as the emblem of the cabinet and the government(...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulownia

So, Katagiri might be read as: "Leaf of Paulownia" or "Leaf of the Princess Tree".

Now, being her a mixed-blood, and seeing how much inferior her kind is deemed by pure-bloods, I find it quite an odd name for her.

So, my crack theory is: Katagiri was originally a pure-blood quincy, but was injured by a hollow and did not get proper treatment in time, thus, her blood got spoiled and got degraded.

[anxdiety]

It's rather simple to see but Katagiri is going to be Ishida's mother. The reason being is that there will be a choice of who is going to give up their future to save Masaki. If Ryuken does the Quincy bloodline stops so it is left to Isshin.

[½bad]

Ulquiorra's design changed a bit from the first time he was introduced. 99% chance that this is just an inconsistency, but I'm going to make a crack theory about this. :D

The first time:

http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/22-190.0/compressed/_manga_rain_bleach_ch190_19.jpg?v=11192381201

Later on:
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/31-271.0/compressed/M7_Bleach_Ch271_16.jpg?v=11192382402

Most notably, his hollow hole moved down. He also has thicker eyelashes later on. His mask seems to change a little bit too: The crack vanished and the protrusion changed a bit.

Also remember what Ulquiorra said what his greatest strength was: his regeneration. This is gives a subtle hint about why these slight differences were there.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/41-351.0/compressed/ubleach_351_sleepyfans.05.jpg?v=11238135204
The way he worded his ability is a bit ambiguous, he could have the ability to regenerate even vital organs, if the damage was minimal and he is given more time to recover.

Regardless, his ability to regenerate would have made him an ideal test subject for Granz. He could undergo surgery and make a complete recovery in a short period of time. So perhaps the change was a result of a modification by Granz? Or perhaps Ulquiorra was cloned and there were different versions of him? Maybe Mayuri found Ulquiorra clones in the lab he discovered?

[keitoz]

Ulquiorra's design changed a bit from the first time he was introduced. 99% chance that this is just an inconsistency, but I'm going to make a crack theory about this. :D

The first time:

http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/22-190.0/compressed/_manga_rain_bleach_ch190_19.jpg?v=11192381201

Later on:
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/31-271.0/compressed/M7_Bleach_Ch271_16.jpg?v=11192382402

Most notably, his hollow hole moved down. He also has thicker eyelashes later on. His mask seems to change a little bit too: The crack vanished and the protrusion changed a bit.

Also remember what Ulquiorra said what his greatest strength was: his regeneration. This is gives a subtle hint about why these slight differences were there.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/9/41-351.0/compressed/ubleach_351_sleepyfans.05.jpg?v=11238135204
The way he worded his ability is a bit ambiguous, he could have the ability to regenerate even vital organs, if the damage was minimal and he is given more time to recover.

Regardless, his ability to regenerate would have made him an ideal test subject for Granz. He could undergo surgery and make a complete recovery in a short period of time. So perhaps the change was a result of a modification by Granz? Or perhaps Ulquiorra was cloned and there were different versions of him? Maybe Mayuri found Ulquiorra clones in the lab he discovered?

Nah, pretty sure Kubo just redesigned him along the way. The Winter War Arc WAS like 5 years long.
And Ulquiorra isn't the only character to have gone through changes.
There's more but the only one I can name right now is Orihime's hair color. XD
I mean, why WOULDN'T you want to improve a character when you can? c:

Kubo also wanted his hollow hole to correspond to what he was missing: the heart.
Something dramatic, you see?

@the Katagiri theory
I'm pretty sure she wasn't "looking down", but she was doing that thing that anime girls do when they scream: tilt their head down, shut their eyes, and scream at the top of their lungs. Possibly with frustrated tears in their eyes. :elmo
Just to emphasize the moment.

But that was interesting!

[Black Mask]

Kubo has already proved that armies mean nothing in Bleach, Aizen >>> Espada, Yamamoto >>> Gotei 13 and Yhwach >>> Vandenreich.

In essence, if the absurdly powerful leader of the faction manages to beat the other absurdly powerful leader of the other faction the entire war is won by default.

Aizen stomped on the entire Gotei 13 and Vizards but only won because he tricked Yamamoto into defeat, otherwise he would have had handed A-man's ass on a grill.

Yamamoto incinerated Sternitters like they were butter in a blow torch and would have do the same to Yhwach himself if he didn't stole his freaking bankai and tired him up with a decoy.

Ywwach is this to pretty much all shinigami, he can curbstomp the Gotei 13 even worse than Aizen (through bruteforce rather than illusion) so far so that Kubo decided to invoke the Godpachi card just for Soul Society to have something capable of standing up to him until Ichigo can go back to Mugetsu Kratos.

No wonder Aizen wanted to kill the Soul King, by definition that would place him above the RG and everything on the universe.

[Latte]

Here is one of my crack theories:

Ywwach's apparant longevity is becuase of him being part hollow. He 'gives' the mysterious alphabet fullbring like powers to his vandenreich by injuring them? (and gave Aizen the idea for it)

[Benigetsu]

I THINK THE FINAL BATTLE WILL TAKE PLACE IN KARAKURA TOWN
BETWEEN AIZEN AND THE SOUL KING (using ichigo as an vessel)
I ALSO FEEL AS THE BOUNDRIES OF THE WORLD WILL COLAPSE

[Scarlet Fire]

Kubo has already proved that armies mean nothing in Bleach, Aizen >>> Espada, Yamamoto >>> Gotei 13 and Yhwach >>> Vandenreich.

In essence, if the absurdly powerful leader of the faction manages to beat the other absurdly powerful leader of the other faction the entire war is won by default.

Aizen stomped on the entire Gotei 13 and Vizards but only won because he tricked Yamamoto into defeat, otherwise he would have had handed A-man's ass on a grill.

Yamamoto incinerated Sternitters like they were butter in a blow torch and would have do the same to Yhwach himself if he didn't stole his freaking bankai and tired him up with a decoy.

Ywwach is this to pretty much all shinigami, he can curbstomp the Gotei 13 even worse than Aizen (through bruteforce rather than illusion) so far so that Kubo decided to invoke the Godpachi card just for Soul Society to have something capable of standing up to him until Ichigo can go back to Mugetsu Kratos.

No wonder Aizen wanted to kill the Soul King, by definition that would place him above the RG and everything on the universe.

Well, yes, since kenpachi explained (back in volume 13... how nostalgic! :p) that when the reiatsu's difference is too wide the weaker one can't even harm the stronger, the hordes of base troops that more or less everyone can send to battlefield are useless against even only one enemy commander... in fact aizen brought only the first three espada, their fraccions, gin, tosen and wonderweiss in karakura as fighting force, the horde of menos grande couldn't even buy up time properly :D

[Zanka No Tachi]

Haschwald is Ryuken's younger brother. Hasch was born after Ryuken with the "tainted" blood, after their mother was attacked by a hollow and couldnt be completely purified.

Her mother sent away Haschwald to Bach to fight for the quincy pride.
This may explain why Hasch showed some emotion towards Ichigo because they are related to each other.

[Andygoesrawr]

Haschwald is Ryuken's younger brother. Hasch was born after Ryuken with the "tainted" blood, after their mother was attacked by a hollow and couldnt be completely purified.

Her mother sent away Haschwald to Bach to fight for the quincy pride.
This may explain why Hasch showed some emotion towards Ichigo because they are related to each other.

Holy crap. That's perfect.

Does that mean he has a fake name? Surely his name would contain either "sou" or "ken", as is customary in the Ishida family.

Now that I think of it, I remember some similar theories from a while back, but they never really had anything to go on. Since we've found out about the "tainted" blood from a Hollow attack, it's become likely that the Vandenreich are the result of such taint. I wouldn't be surprised at all if this were true. In fact, I truly hope it is.

[ArcherFromHeaven]

Haschwald is Ryuken's younger brother. Hasch was born after Ryuken with the "tainted" blood, after their mother was attacked by a hollow and couldnt be completely purified.

Her mother sent away Haschwald to Bach to fight for the quincy pride.
This may explain why Hasch showed some emotion towards Ichigo because they are related to each other.

THat would be cool...

[Zanka No Tachi]

Lol i dont know about the "Sou" or "ken", considering Uryuu doesnt have that in his name.
Im mainly going with the white hair thing lolol

And my other theory about Katagiri being Bach's daughter sent to serve the Ishida's pureblooded family, i think if these relationships are true, it would mean that the Ishidas and the Bach family are very close to each other. Which is why the VR knows about the Ishidas as well and consider them to be powerful

[Donny]

I'm copying and pasting my post from chapter 535 thread.


I don't know whether this was mentioned before but I think that Masaki could have been saved by Urahara's vaccination alone. Maybe she would have been able to hollowfy and maybe even control the hollow like the Vizoreds do.

My thoughts are that Urahara manipulated Isshin and Ryuuken based on the fact that by binding Isshin to Masaki for life during this exact moment would probably result in them getting together. My supposition for this is the fact that Urahara has knowledge of Quincies; maybe he knew that because she couldn't be purified any longer, Ryuuken would be unable to get married with her. Instead, he proposed what we have read on this chapter and used this chance for his ultimate hybrid experiment.

He even said that he researched this subject for nearly a hundred years and I think when he saw the opportunity of joining human/shinigami/quincy/hollow successfully, he just took it.

Ladies and gentlemen, I think Urahara is responsible for Ichigo being born! I will go even further than this and say that Ichigo may be the ultimate and natural form of the Hogyoku.

Any input would be appreciated :p

[Andygoesrawr]

Lol i dont know about the "Sou" or "ken", considering Uryuu doesnt have that in his name.
Im mainly going with the white hair thing lolol

Uryuu has Ryuu in his name, which he inherited from Ryuuken. Ryuuken has Ken in his name, which he inherited from Souken. It's a samurai family tradition.

[Tom2rules]

Baseless Theory: Whitey's essence was the being controlling Ichigo when he hollowfied against the Vizards and Ulquiorra.

Due to recent events and changes in what the hollow known as 'Whitey' could have mean to Ichigo's hollowfication, I have come up with a theory. There have been four total moments in Bleach when Ichigo was taken over by something connected to his hollow powers. Two moments were clearly his inner hollow, but the other times it was by something else.

We know that there were two points in Bleach were Ichigo was under the control of his inner hollow:
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v19/c165/23.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v25/c216/15.html
-The Iconic encounter with Byakuya and the short battle with Hiyori.

Now, what about the other two times?
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v25/c222/3.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v41/c350/5.html
-The Vizards training and the battle atop Las Noches.

Now, why are these two incidents different then the other ones?
-In the Vizard training, Ichigo was fighting his inner hollow inside his inner world, leaving both of them occupied when Ichigo started to hollowfy.
-On top of Las Noches, Ichigo had already repressed his hollow and we all know that Ichigo was not in control besides that suggestion in his head.

Now if Ichigo and his inner hollow were not in control then who was? Before now, I had always thought that is was simply the instincts that resided deep in Ichigo's subconscious taking control. But now? What if Whitey was had some type of presence in Ichigo's inner world?

Now, Whitey's influence was not destroyed when the hollowfication inside Masaki was stopped. It was simply rendered harmless to her once Isshin saved her, so the hollow's influence (As we saw as a manifestation of its hollow mask) still resided inside Masaki from then on out. But what if when Ichigo was born, this influence went into him as well as the reiatsu from its attack (which resulted in his fullbring)? Its true that it could not take control or corrupt him due to what he is, but that doesn't mean it couldn't find another way to interact with the world.

We already can see the similarities between Whitey and Ichigo's second hollowfied form, so what if it went farther then that? What if deep inside Ichigo's mind there was at least a fragment of Whitey's influence left and its what took over during those two instances where no one was in control of Ichigo's body?

[Andygoesrawr]

We already can see the similarities between Whitey and Ichigo's second hollowfied form, so what if it went farther then that? What if deep inside Ichigo's mind there was at least a fragment of Whitey's influence left and its what took over during those two instances where no one was in control of Ichigo's body?

I came to the same conclusion the very moment we saw White.

Months ago I proposed a theory of there being a Hollow within Hollow Ichigo, being the thing which is nothing but instincts, as the thing which controlled Ichigo during his rampages as a full Hollow. Basically the equivalent of Zangetsu for the Hollow side.

However, I never had something to truly explain what exactly that thing is. Now I do. :)

It'd also be the thing which manifests as Ichigo's Fullbring. If it were Hollow Ichigo, he'd be able to take over. Instead, Ichigo is directly using the Hollow within Hollow Ichigo, who can only control him when his heart is destroyed.

[NGC 602]

I know there are naturally occurring Arrancar so this really is a crack theory but Urahara did mention rather intriguingly that he used the Quincy arrows to stabilize hollowfication in the Vizards. I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that Aizen did something similar to his Arrancar and that's why the Vandenreich are able to assimilate them into their forces and give them Quincy abilities.
Perhaps that's also why Bach is keeping Hallibel, maybe in the Espada the fusion between the different entities was particularly favourable and the potential power would be useful in the future.

[Herakles]

I thought we already concluded that Arrancar become like a Shinigami, but they aren't Shinigami and Hollow in essence?

[Minerva]

I thought we already concluded that Arrancar become like a Shinigami, but they aren't Shinigami and Hollow in essence?
Yes. All powers contained are their own. There is no artificial addition of "other" powers like we have seen with the Hollowification vector.

In short, they would have become Shinigami had they not gone Hollow first.

[NGC 602]

Yes. All powers contained are their own. There is no artificial addition of "other" powers like we have seen with the Hollowification vector.

In short, they would have become Shinigami had they not gone Hollow first.

Oh I see, that makes more sense (I must have missed that memo- curse you real life for getting in the way. :) ).

I kind of always thought that the hollowfication process brought out the potential hollow within the soul rather than adding some external component so it was in a way directly opposite to becoming an Arrancar. It's really interesting that instead there are these asymmetries in combining powers and I'm really enjoying all the extra info we're getting in the manga (even if it does turn out rather wordy).

[Minerva]

I kind of always thought that the hollowfication process brought out the potential hollow within the soul rather than adding some external component so it was in a way directly opposite to becoming an Arrancar. It's really interesting that instead there are these asymmetries in combining powers and I'm really enjoying all the extra info we're getting in the manga (even if it does turn out rather wordy).
That is probably (partially?) why Aizen had said the Vizards were failed Arrancar. The vector made their souls inherently unstable instead of the natural balance achieved in the Arrancarization process.

It's probably something like a failed blood transfusion. Inject the wrong type from who-knows-where and you've got a big problem. Store your own blood ahead of time for use, and it should be fine. An Arrancar whose soul consists of all their own powers is far superior to a Frankensteined Vizard.

[cypress]

I was thinking a lot since the last chapter, the opposite races, how they fit in the bleach universe. The equilibrium theme seems like it's getting more and more important, my best theory so far is based on that, I tried to find a balance between four races and three main realms: Human World, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo. I know there is a hell but I think that realm won't be important in the story and there is that ice place from where the Vanderrich came from but I think that's not a separate realm, Kubo said it's closer then we think, so maybe it's in the Human World or between two worlds, maybe it's some kind of prison where these Vanderrich guys were exiled, anyway my point is, Ice palace isn't a new realm so I will focus on the three known main realms in my theory.

The common thing in the four different races is that everyone has their own power in their soul, of course there are stronger and weaker individuals in every race, for exemple:
-humans in the human world with higher spiritual power then others.
-the souls in SS, there are those who can join the gotei but most of them stay in the rukongai and never be strong enough spiritually to succeed on entrance exam to the academy,
-the power level differences between hollows in HM.
-probably there are power differences between the quincys too.
Anyway, having a basic power in their soul is common in hollows, humans, quincys and shinigamis.

The basic realm where everithing starts is the human world, in this realm there are the two basic races, the quincys and the humans, the most important difference between them, and what puts the quincys power level above the humans, is their ability of absorbing, that isn't only a method to suck up the reishi surrounding them but also with that power they can manifest and use their inner powers, living humans are incapable of that, the two options for a human to manifest their power is:
1. dying, turning into a hollow and manifesting that inner power into a mask.
2. dying, go to SS get an asauchi and manifest the inner power in the sword.

Back to the human world. When a human or a quincy is dying, they turn into a quicy plus or a human plus, the change is happening after this. When it's decided where they go, SS or HM. Either is a quincy-plus or a human-plus if it goes to HM it will turn into something else, the anatomy of the plus will change into a being opposite to a human soul. Quincys doesn't lose their power after death so even in the afterlife they are a bit above the humans but the gap isn't that big anymore, especially in HM where the ex humans are capable to manifest their power in a mask. No idea what would a quincy plus turned into a hollow would be like in HM, logically they wouldn't need to lose their heart. We didn't see any of them because the quicys, unlike humans, knows a lot about the afterlife, they know HM isn't a nice place to live so they simply avoid turning into a hollow.
And what about SS? Something is changing in pluses who goes there, it isn't so spectacular like the hollowfying but something with the konso, or in the cases of the pluses who goes to SS without help, on their way to SS, their anatomy is changing into a being opposite to the quincys, it doesn't matter if it's a quincy-plus or human-plus, their body will change. If i remember right the non shinigami souls in SS, in the rukongai aren't called pluses anymore after they enter SS, they are called souls, what makes them different from the shinigamis is their spiritual power just like the difference between humans in the human world with higher lower spiritual power.
In conclusion the basic races are the humans and the quincys in the basic living realm, then they die, become quincy-pluses and human-pluses, still two different race, then they enter in one of the afterlife realm, the reishi composing their body changes into something else depending on the realm they choose, but their reiatsu, the power is the same as when they were alive. So the main basic races are humans and quincys and the branch races are the hollows and the souls in SS(including shinigamis).

So what about SS, what happened there, why are the quincys and the shinigamis in war?
Assuming, the quincys still have their powers after they die and enter SS. The gap in power level of the humans and quincys isn't that big anymore like it was in the human world but the quincys are still able to manifest their power without asauchi, human souls of course still incapable of that in a natural way, so for some reason Nimaya invented the asauchi, I think the asauchi technology is something based on the quincy method of manifesting inner power with the help of their reiatsu absorbing ability. So the gap disappeared and 1000 years ago humans won a war against the quincys in SS.
I think at the beginning only the living quincys in the human world had the duty to maintain the equilibrium, the purpose of their power of being capable to completely destroy a soul is for that, in the afterlife ex-quincys or ex-humans had nothing to do with the balance. For some reason in SS the war begin and had an impact to the human world, the living quincys weren't enough anymore in number to maintain the balance so the humans in SS had to do the job, Seritei and the Gotei was initiated and those human souls with high spiritual
power and with zanpakuto started to call themself shinigami to disticnt themself from the weaker souls. Remember, Yamamoto called themself, the first gotei a group of criminal.
I don't really like the idea of quincys having right, so I guess Yhwach claimed himself king of SS, in a similar way to Baraggan in HM. He was strong, he was a quincy before so he was incredibly strong compared to those who were just humans before and didn't had an asauchi yet, so there was a group, considered criminal in the past regime ruled by Yhwach, but they won and the quincys from SS were exiled.
Where are these exiled quincys? I think the place they hide is between human world and SS, in that passage, it's the prfect place for them, it's one of the many reasons there are no quincys in SS, in their way to SS the Vanderrich stops them and invite them to their troop. Quilgie set up a trap for Ichigo in the passage, so the vanderrich are familiar with the place. The passage was said, it was some kind of jail or what in the past, so I think the ice palace is right there somewhere.

[ArcherFromHeaven]

Ok, I have had this on my mind for a while now... It's probably worthy fanfiction/doujin material, but who cares:

Urahara is actually the son of the Soul King (yes, I believe that thing can procreate somehow) who the SK conceived because he knew that if he (SK) died, all the world would crumble and all the souls would be extinguished (even his) so he created a son as a back up kind of thing (his son) to assure that at least his soul would survive his death. However, since his son, in order for this plan to function, has to be on his same level of power, he also represents a risk of rebellion so the SK placed some sort of seal that would allow him to be terminated at any given time and that restricts him to only use shinigami power.

Moreover, the reason Urahara was raised by the Shinhouin is that the SK actually exiled him to Seritei and placed him under the noble family's custody (remember all that thing of them receiving the artefact capable of destroying the Execution Fire Bird from, the heavens).

That's also why the Central 46 did not condemn him to death for the Hollowfication experiment but restrained his sentence to striping him of his powers and banishing him to the Human World. That's also why he was taking the sentence with so much resignation: because he is used to banishment.

The reason why Urahara makes that kind of "I know how you feel bro" face when he seals Aizen is that, even if he disproves of Aizen method to take down the SK, he would like to take him down as well.

[harahara]

@ArcherFromHeaven

Here's a thought to strengthen your theory: Urahara's Zanpakto is the Crimson Princess. ;)

[Minerva]

Can't prove it in any way whatsoever but:

The Ouken Yamamoto had mentioned way back when? Smacks of being a forgotten weapon set aside as a "just in case". Perhaps it's some super-warrior put into stasis by some lost technology, and only Yamamoto knew how to find him when needed.

I bet that Ouken was created 1000 years ago; everything else was from that time! :elmo And now that the Quincy are active again, it's time to dust off the weapon and get things moving again. Too bad Yamamoto was the only one with the Ouken's location.

Or:

How about the Ouken in question being the cause of the war in the first place? The Shinigami wanted it to protect its existence, and the Quincy are hell-bent on destroying it. [Gotei-13 with their "protection" ideals; Quincy (滅却師): "monk of destruction".] Of course, they got more caught up in fighting each other along the way and forgot their real purposes.

[IgloGlass]

Can't prove it in any way whatsoever but:

The Ouken Yamamoto had mentioned way back when? Smacks of being a forgotten weapon set aside as a "just in case". Perhaps it's some super-warrior put into stasis by some lost technology, and only Yamamoto knew how to find him when needed.

I bet that Ouken was created 1000 years ago; everything else was from that time! :elmo And now that the Quincy are active again, it's time to dust off the weapon and get things moving again. Too bad Yamamoto was the only one with the Ouken's location.

Or:

How about the Ouken in question being the cause of the war in the first place? The Shinigami wanted it to protect its existence, and the Quincy are hell-bent on destroying it. [Gotei-13 with their "protection" ideals; Quincy (滅却師): "monk of destruction".] Of course, they got more caught up in fighting each other along the way and forgot their real purposes.

Interesting theory, definitely plausible since the monk guy said that the Ouken was part of their bones, part of themselves.

My take on there actually being a hidden Ouken is something a bit different.
I've wondered, ever since Ichigo and co. went to the Royal Realm, what's so special about it? Seemingly it's just a palace in the sky and "anyone" should be able to fly up there - think Aizen and his pretty wings.

However something must be preventing that - because I don't know about you guys, but to me it's not really an entirely different dimension up there, I believe it's part of Soul Society. Just generally inaccessible.

So that made me wonder, "what's making the Royal Realm inaccessible to others?", and the easiest answer, which I'm going to stick with, is that there might be some sort of let's call it a force field surrounding the realm. If this is the case, then the Ouken would literally be a key, a key that allows passage through that force field into the royal realm.

In my mind this makes perfect sense, as the key would have almost the same use as a regular key would have, it unlocks a passage.

So if we assume that this is the case then all of the Royal Guard members have the key imprinted into their very being. But is it really impossible for there to exist a key, an Ouken, separate from a living dead (lol) being? I say no, if they have the key imprinted on their soul then it should also be able to have a inanimate object be a key that allows passage through whatever's protecting the palace in the sky.

However, writing this post, I realised there is one thing going against this little theory of mine. The fact that the spider-lady mentioned Aizen's wickedness in trying to create life, or "them" as she put it. Unfortunately that would actually hint at there not being a inanimate Ouken and maybe there is a living super-soldier Ouken hidden somewhere (that would definitely be cool to see) but thing's are still uncertain and it'll be very interesting to see how things turn out in the end, whether Kubo decides to stick with the animate Ouken's or the possibility of there actually being a "key" like one would imagine a key to be.

[Minerva]

Yes, it seems what we thought was an inanimate object in the case of Yamamoto's method was really something like a golem whose order is to unlock the Royal Realm.

I'm hoping with all this hype that it's some sort of weapon; that would justify the wait. Finding out there's one more character who can unlock the RR with no other setup or purpose in the story seems anti-climatic if it's done 300+ chapters later. There has to be more to it than that. A weapon has the possibility of some connected to Szayelaporro's lab since he was the weapons researcher. That would likewise justify dangling those bodies at us for hundreds of chapters and saying how important they are.

There's also the option that the missing Ouken is an extremely powerful eldritch abomination locked away, but Kubo rarely does evil characters like that. Somehow that doesn't feel like it fits, not if the nominally-good Shinigami are keeping on eye on it. Better that this Ouken was created to deal with an eldritch abomination IMO, and the cause of the Shinigami-Quincy conflict was what to do with it after the creature had been properly sealed away.

[Black Mask]

-A conversation between gentleman-

Yhwach:

-Seems we are finally able to meet in person, Sousuke Aizen.

Aizen:

-So you finally made your move, huh? I was expecting that.

Yhwach:

-If you hade my plans in kind then why you didn't leave any opposition?

Aizen:

-Our goals are the same, yet different. Hueco Mundo already served it's purpose.

Yhwach:

-So, you are aware of that too, I came here to confirm that but I also hoped you could add your efforts to our cause.

Aizen:

-I don't have interest in serving a God any other than myself.

Yhwach:

-You could change your mind if you bear witness to it.

Aizen:

-You sound like you made breakthroughs I couldn't?

Yhwach:

-Some, however, with your help the project could reach conclusion much faster.

Aizen:

-I see, you still need the heart and it so happens I have one carved in myself.

Yhwach:

-That heart is dead but it's still strong enough to revitalize our Goddess until the child awakes his true strenght.

Aizen:

-So you plan to use him that way, Kurosaki Ichigo, he is kind of instrumental to both our agendas despite our different conceptions.

Yhwach:

-You tried to take your bite but he proved too sour didn't he?

Aizen:

-I admit I might have miscalculated his power together with my own potential.

Yhwach:

-We learned from your mistakes, that's why we are counting on war potentials like you to further our project to perfection.

Aizen:

-So your are planning on wrecking the very foundations of the world in order to bring back the original power?

Yhwach:

-Like your we are trying to bring about a new one, however, tell what you know about the original power.

Aizen:

*Sight*

-In the beggining, there was a single perfect being, a true God which surpassed the boundaries of shinigami and hollow. That being was called the Soul King and all realms existed as one tied together by his might alone.

Alone... I supposed I learned the hard way how loneliness takes a toll on those who yield a power far greater than others.

In his bid to rid himself of his loneliness, he cut himself and created threads out of his own blood. By tying them together and pouring his reiatsu into the ensuing being, the Soul King created the first shinigami.

He made them a city, a paradise in heaven which now called the Palace of Souls.

However, after spending eons ruling the shinigami, the king realised a fatal flaw in his creation.

Because shinigami were created woven from his blood, their exhistence was eternally tied to his will and as such those first shinigami were nothing more than puppets being pulled by his strings.

Realizing his creations lacked free will, God despaired and tore his heart out. That heart, embodying his love and suffering poured down to Earth as the union of realms shattered by his death.

And from that heart and blood which flooded the Earth, new life came to be born with both the love of life and the emptyness of death. And thus humans and hollows came to exhistence.

Yet those deep changes in reality came under a harsh impact for the shinigami, with their newly gained free will and their God's death they came into face with a world where beings had to make and account for their own decisions and the burden of those new responsibilities proved too much for them to bear.

They desperately sought an exhistence higher than themselves to justify their pains and doubts so that it lead to the creation of new king and God.

Amongst all shinigami, their strongest and smartest appointed himself as the new king and claimed to restore order and balance to all realms.

Of course he held no such power and thus needed to empower himself from something else...

Yhwach:

-The sacrifice of human souls.

Aizen:

-Indeed, because humans were born from the heart of God, they still held a portion of his power even if it was minimal.

But said power could not be easily harvested because life kept the human heart chained to their bodies and outside the control of the shinigami.

However, when humans died and their chains corroded, their hearts exploded and created hollows thus making their inherent power available to be harvested for the new "Soul King".

Thus the shinigami created Zanpakutou and in turn became known as Soul Reapers, the balancers of worlds.

As the power of the new "Soul King" grew in the face of this new system, so increased his hunger and in turn he needed a source of food greater than what the difficult hunting of hollows could provide.

Yhwach:

-And thus he moved the Palace of Souls to another realm, erased all traces of his past and created Soul Society, an immense box of food where his lackeys could gather far more souls than those which became hollows and which all served to feed him upon their deaths.

Aizen:

-Do you understand the toll it takes on man's sanity to know that all of his achivements in life will amount to nothing but becoming food for a facade? All sense of morality becomes completely pointless.

The shinigami became dull and obedient to their new authority, unable to think of their exhistence outside the boundaries of their self imposed order they become nothing more than sheppards hearding cattle and no sane man's words could get to them.

As such my only option was to turn myself into a new God and release those beings, which discarted the very free will their God died to give them, from their falsehood of control and bring about a world of enlightenment.

I researched the very nature of souls, I found a way to isolate the intrinsic reiatsu of God whitin every being and process it into an exhistence closer to the original heart.

That's how I made the Hogyoku but it was a failure, at least until I find the nature Urahara Kisuke's own Hogyoku.

Yhwach:

-Quincy souls.

Quincy are humans with the ability to awake the power of God in their hearts without becoming hollows, because our pureness allowed us to destroy hollows and impart their souls outside the system of the "Soul King" the shinigami cowered in fear and sought to destroy us.

Aizen:

-Because your "pureness", the ability to draw on the force of life left by God to control spirits particles, in contrast to the rule of death the shinigami borrowed from him to exert their own reiatsu, the two of you became the perfect antithesis to each other and thus your union formed the basis to complete the restoration of the original power.

When I united my Hogyoku created from the souls of hollow and shinigami with that of Urahara Kisuke, created from the souls of humans and quincy, the Hogyoku became complete.

Yhwach:

-But that wasn't enough to make you a God right?

Aizen:

-As it turned out, having the heart of God is not enough to awake it's power. You need the body of a being who can fully embody God before reviving it.

Yhwach:

-Kurosaki Ichigo.

Aizen:

-I gave his quincy mother hollow powers and Urahara Kisuke gave his shinigami father a human body, their union resulted in a being who embodied the original power entirely into a single exhistence.

Looking down to it, I suppose Urahara Kisuke couldn't pass the chance to bear witness to such creation, I took his scientific curiosity in accountance to my plans.

Anyhow, I planned to consume him in order to fully activate the Hogyoku and be reborn as a true God but, like I already stated, he ended up more powerful than my enhanced abilities turned out to be.

Yhwach:

-You indeed have a different view than me, even tough we both seek the resurrection of God, you fail to acnowledge your own limits and searches for power you yourself admit you cannot handle.

On the other hand, even tough my subordinates see me as a God, I am nothing but a messager, a harbinger of a holy cause that will ultimately end this pathetic facade and bring about the reign of Goddess created by man.

Aizen:

-So you plan on using my Hogyoku and Kurosaki Ichigo to bring about the creation of a being greater than yourself?

Is that any different from those shinigami who sought to raise a false God just to escape the burden of their own decisions?

Yhwach:

-You misunderstand me, Sousuke Aizen, even tough I admit to be bored shut with having to decide over an entire empire, I don't seek to escape that burden.

Our Goddess will destroy all boundaries between shinigami, quincy, human and hollow. All existence will return into a single being who will embody the will of all beings.

Once that happens, nobody will escape the burden of their decisions, however, all shall have acess to a greater power to enact them.

It will be the creation of a new Nirvana, an existence of absolute truth and harmony between all things!

Are you still not enticed to take part in it?

Aizen:

-Not the slightest, I don't like the tought of sharing my power with others.

Yhwach:

-I see words won't change your attitude, nevermind, we have all the time in the world to discuss your collaboration to our cause.

I expect you to come to terms once you realize the nature of what we are trying to achieve.

[IgloGlass]

-A conversation between gentleman-

Yhwach:

-Seems we are finally able to meet in person, Sousuke Aizen.

Aizen:

-So you finally made your move, huh? I was expecting that.

Yhwach:

-If you hade my plans in kind then why you didn't leave any opposition?

Aizen:

-Our goals are the same, yet different. Hueco Mundo already served it's purpose.

Yhwach:

-So, you are aware of that too, I came here to confirm that but I also hoped you could add your efforts to our cause.

Aizen:

-I don't have interest in serving a God any other than myself.

Yhwach:

-You could change your mind if you bear witness to it.

Aizen:

-You sound like you made breakthroughs I couldn't?

Yhwach:

-Some, however, with your help the project could reach conclusion much faster.

Aizen:

-I see, you still need the heart and it so happens I have one carved in myself.

Yhwach:

-That heart is dead but it's still strong enough to revitalize our Goddess until the child awakes his true strenght.

Aizen:

-So you plan to use him that way, Kurosaki Ichigo, he is kind of instrumental to both our agendas despite our different conceptions.

Yhwach:

-You tried to take your bite but he proved too sour didn't he?

Aizen:

-I admit I might have miscalculated his power together with my own potential.

Yhwach:

-We learned from your mistakes, that's why we are counting on war potentials like you to further our project to perfection.

Aizen:

-So your are planning on wrecking the very foundations of the world in order to bring back the original power?

Yhwach:

-Like your we are trying to bring about a new one, however, tell what you know about the original power.

Aizen:

*Sight*

-In the beggining, there was a single perfect being, a true God which surpassed the boundaries of shinigami and hollow. That being was called the Soul King and all realms existed as one tied together by his might alone.

Alone... I supposed I learned the hard way how loneliness takes a toll on those who yield a power far greater than others.

In his bid to rid himself of his loneliness, he cut himself and created threads out of his own blood. By tying them together and pouring his reiatsu into the ensuing being, the Soul King created the first shinigami.

He made them a city, a paradise in heaven which now called the Palace of Souls.

However, after spending eons ruling the shinigami, the king realised a fatal flaw in his creation.

Because shinigami were created woven from his blood, their exhistence was eternally tied to his will and as such those first shinigami were nothing more than puppets being pulled by his strings.

Realizing his creations lacked free will, God despaired and tore his heart out. That heart, embodying his love and suffering poured down to Earth as the union of realms shattered by his death.

And from that heart and blood which flooded the Earth, new life came to be born with both the love of life and the emptyness of death. And thus humans and hollows came to exhistence.

Yet those deep changes in reality came under a harsh impact for the shinigami, with their newly gained free will and their God's death they came into face with a world where beings had to make and account for their own decisions and the burden of those new responsibilities proved too much for them to bear.

They desperately sought an exhistence higher than themselves to justify their pains and doubts so that it lead to the creation of new king and God.

Amongst all shinigami, their strongest and smartest appointed himself as the new king and claimed to restore order and balance to all realms.

Of course he held no such power and thus needed to empower himself from something else...

Yhwach:

-The sacrifice of human souls.

Aizen:

-Indeed, because humans were born from the heart of God, they still held a portion of his power even if it was minimal.

But said power could not be easily harvested because life kept the human heart chained to their bodies and outside the control of the shinigami.

However, when humans died and their chains corroded, their hearts exploded and created hollows thus making their inherent power available to be harvested for the new "Soul King".

Thus the shinigami created Zanpakutou and in turn became known as Soul Reapers, the balancers of worlds.

As the power of the new "Soul King" grew in the face of this new system, so increased his hunger and in turn he needed a source of food greater than what the difficult hunting of hollows could provide.

Yhwach:

-And thus he moved the Palace of Souls to another realm, erased all traces of his past and created Soul Society, an immense box of food where his lackeys could gather far more souls than those which became hollows and which all served to feed him upon their deaths.

Aizen:

-Do you understand the toll it takes on man's sanity to know that all of his achivements in life will amount to nothing but becoming food for a facade? All sense of morality becomes completely pointless.

The shinigami became dull and obedient to their new authority, unable to think of their exhistence outside the boundaries of their self imposed order they become nothing more than sheppards hearding cattle and no sane man's words could get to them.

As such my only option was to turn myself into a new God and release those beings, which discarted the very free will their God died to give them, from their falsehood of control and bring about a world of enlightenment.

I researched the very nature of souls, I found a way to isolate the intrinsic reiatsu of God whitin every being and process it into an exhistence closer to the original heart.

That's how I made the Hogyoku but it was a failure, at least until I find the nature Urahara Kisuke's own Hogyoku.

Yhwach:

-Quincy souls.

Quincy are humans with the ability to awake the power of God in their hearts without becoming hollows, because our pureness allowed us to destroy hollows and impart their souls outside the system of the "Soul King" the shinigami cowered in fear and sought to destroy us.

Aizen:

-Because your "pureness", the ability to draw on the force of life left by God to control spirits particles, in contrast to the rule of death the shinigami borrowed from him to exert their own reiatsu, the two of you became the perfect antithesis to each other and thus your union formed the basis to complete the restoration of the original power.

When I united my Hogyoku created from the souls of hollow and shinigami with that of Urahara Kisuke, created from the souls of humans and quincy, the Hogyoku became complete.

Yhwach:

-But that wasn't enough to make you a God right?

Aizen:

-As it turned out, having the heart of God is not enough to awake it's power. You need the body of a being who can fully embody God before reviving it.

Yhwach:

-Kurosaki Ichigo.

Aizen:

-I gave his quincy mother hollow powers and Urahara Kisuke gave his shinigami father a human body, their union resulted in a being who embodied the original power entirely into a single exhistence.

Looking down to it, I suppose Urahara Kisuke couldn't pass the chance to bear witness to such creation, I took his scientific curiosity in accountance to my plans.

Anyhow, I planned to consume him in order to fully activate the Hogyoku and be reborn as a true God but, like I already stated, he ended up more powerful than my enhanced abilities turned out to be.

Yhwach:

-You indeed have a different view than me, even tough we both seek the resurrection of God, you fail to acnowledge your own limits and searches for power you yourself admit you cannot handle.

On the other hand, even tough my subordinates see me as a God, I am nothing but a messager, a harbinger of a holy cause that will ultimately end this pathetic facade and bring about the reign of Goddess created by man.

Aizen:

-So you plan on using my Hogyoku and Kurosaki Ichigo to bring about the creation of a being greater than yourself?

Is that any different from those shinigami who sought to raise a false God just to escape the burden of their own decisions?

Yhwach:

-You misunderstand me, Sousuke Aizen, even tough I admit to be bored shut with having to decide over an entire empire, I don't seek to escape that burden.

Our Goddess will destroy all boundaries between shinigami, quincy, human and hollow. All existence will return into a single being who will embody the will of all beings.

Once that happens, nobody will escape the burden of their decisions, however, all shall have acess to a greater power to enact them.

It will be the creation of a new Nirvana, an existence of absolute truth and harmony between all things!

Are you still not enticed to take part in it?

Aizen:

-Not the slightest, I don't like the tought of sharing my power with others.

Yhwach:

-I see words won't change your attitude, nevermind, we have all the time in the world to discuss your collaboration to our cause.

I expect you to come to terms once you realize the nature of what we are trying to achieve.

That... was actually pretty awesome - great job!

However who is this "goddess" you say Yhwach wants to create/awaken?

[Black Mask]

That... was actually pretty awesome - great job!

However who is this "goddess" you say Yhwach wants to create/awaken?

You will know soon... :rolleyes:

[Soranushi]

-A conversation between gentleman-

Yhwach:

-Seems we are finally able to meet in person, Sousuke Aizen.

Aizen:

-So you finally made your move, huh? I was expecting that.

Yhwach:

-If you hade my plans in kind then why you didn't leave any opposition?

Aizen:

-Our goals are the same, yet different. Hueco Mundo already served it's purpose.

Yhwach:

-So, you are aware of that too, I came here to confirm that but I also hoped you could add your efforts to our cause.

Aizen:

-I don't have interest in serving a God any other than myself.

Yhwach:

-You could change your mind if you bear witness to it.

Aizen:

-You sound like you made breakthroughs I couldn't?

Yhwach:

-Some, however, with your help the project could reach conclusion much faster.

Aizen:

-I see, you still need the heart and it so happens I have one carved in myself.

Yhwach:

-That heart is dead but it's still strong enough to revitalize our Goddess until the child awakes his true strenght.

Aizen:

-So you plan to use him that way, Kurosaki Ichigo, he is kind of instrumental to both our agendas despite our different conceptions.

Yhwach:

-You tried to take your bite but he proved too sour didn't he?

Aizen:

-I admit I might have miscalculated his power together with my own potential.

Yhwach:

-We learned from your mistakes, that's why we are counting on war potentials like you to further our project to perfection.

Aizen:

-So your are planning on wrecking the very foundations of the world in order to bring back the original power?

Yhwach:

-Like your we are trying to bring about a new one, however, tell what you know about the original power.

Aizen:

*Sight*

-In the beggining, there was a single perfect being, a true God which surpassed the boundaries of shinigami and hollow. That being was called the Soul King and all realms existed as one tied together by his might alone.

Alone... I supposed I learned the hard way how loneliness takes a toll on those who yield a power far greater than others.

In his bid to rid himself of his loneliness, he cut himself and created threads out of his own blood. By tying them together and pouring his reiatsu into the ensuing being, the Soul King created the first shinigami.

He made them a city, a paradise in heaven which now called the Palace of Souls.

However, after spending eons ruling the shinigami, the king realised a fatal flaw in his creation.

Because shinigami were created woven from his blood, their exhistence was eternally tied to his will and as such those first shinigami were nothing more than puppets being pulled by his strings.

Realizing his creations lacked free will, God despaired and tore his heart out. That heart, embodying his love and suffering poured down to Earth as the union of realms shattered by his death.

And from that heart and blood which flooded the Earth, new life came to be born with both the love of life and the emptyness of death. And thus humans and hollows came to exhistence.

Yet those deep changes in reality came under a harsh impact for the shinigami, with their newly gained free will and their God's death they came into face with a world where beings had to make and account for their own decisions and the burden of those new responsibilities proved too much for them to bear.

They desperately sought an exhistence higher than themselves to justify their pains and doubts so that it lead to the creation of new king and God.

Amongst all shinigami, their strongest and smartest appointed himself as the new king and claimed to restore order and balance to all realms.

Of course he held no such power and thus needed to empower himself from something else...

Yhwach:

-The sacrifice of human souls.

Aizen:

-Indeed, because humans were born from the heart of God, they still held a portion of his power even if it was minimal.

But said power could not be easily harvested because life kept the human heart chained to their bodies and outside the control of the shinigami.

However, when humans died and their chains corroded, their hearts exploded and created hollows thus making their inherent power available to be harvested for the new "Soul King".

Thus the shinigami created Zanpakutou and in turn became known as Soul Reapers, the balancers of worlds.

As the power of the new "Soul King" grew in the face of this new system, so increased his hunger and in turn he needed a source of food greater than what the difficult hunting of hollows could provide.

Yhwach:

-And thus he moved the Palace of Souls to another realm, erased all traces of his past and created Soul Society, an immense box of food where his lackeys could gather far more souls than those which became hollows and which all served to feed him upon their deaths.

Aizen:

-Do you understand the toll it takes on man's sanity to know that all of his achivements in life will amount to nothing but becoming food for a facade? All sense of morality becomes completely pointless.

The shinigami became dull and obedient to their new authority, unable to think of their exhistence outside the boundaries of their self imposed order they become nothing more than sheppards hearding cattle and no sane man's words could get to them.

As such my only option was to turn myself into a new God and release those beings, which discarted the very free will their God died to give them, from their falsehood of control and bring about a world of enlightenment.

I researched the very nature of souls, I found a way to isolate the intrinsic reiatsu of God whitin every being and process it into an exhistence closer to the original heart.

That's how I made the Hogyoku but it was a failure, at least until I find the nature Urahara Kisuke's own Hogyoku.

Yhwach:

-Quincy souls.

Quincy are humans with the ability to awake the power of God in their hearts without becoming hollows, because our pureness allowed us to destroy hollows and impart their souls outside the system of the "Soul King" the shinigami cowered in fear and sought to destroy us.

Aizen:

-Because your "pureness", the ability to draw on the force of life left by God to control spirits particles, in contrast to the rule of death the shinigami borrowed from him to exert their own reiatsu, the two of you became the perfect antithesis to each other and thus your union formed the basis to complete the restoration of the original power.

When I united my Hogyoku created from the souls of hollow and shinigami with that of Urahara Kisuke, created from the souls of humans and quincy, the Hogyoku became complete.

Yhwach:

-But that wasn't enough to make you a God right?

Aizen:

-As it turned out, having the heart of God is not enough to awake it's power. You need the body of a being who can fully embody God before reviving it.

Yhwach:

-Kurosaki Ichigo.

Aizen:

-I gave his quincy mother hollow powers and Urahara Kisuke gave his shinigami father a human body, their union resulted in a being who embodied the original power entirely into a single exhistence.

Looking down to it, I suppose Urahara Kisuke couldn't pass the chance to bear witness to such creation, I took his scientific curiosity in accountance to my plans.

Anyhow, I planned to consume him in order to fully activate the Hogyoku and be reborn as a true God but, like I already stated, he ended up more powerful than my enhanced abilities turned out to be.

Yhwach:

-You indeed have a different view than me, even tough we both seek the resurrection of God, you fail to acnowledge your own limits and searches for power you yourself admit you cannot handle.

On the other hand, even tough my subordinates see me as a God, I am nothing but a messager, a harbinger of a holy cause that will ultimately end this pathetic facade and bring about the reign of Goddess created by man.

Aizen:

-So you plan on using my Hogyoku and Kurosaki Ichigo to bring about the creation of a being greater than yourself?

Is that any different from those shinigami who sought to raise a false God just to escape the burden of their own decisions?

Yhwach:

-You misunderstand me, Sousuke Aizen, even tough I admit to be bored shut with having to decide over an entire empire, I don't seek to escape that burden.

Our Goddess will destroy all boundaries between shinigami, quincy, human and hollow. All existence will return into a single being who will embody the will of all beings.

Once that happens, nobody will escape the burden of their decisions, however, all shall have acess to a greater power to enact them.

It will be the creation of a new Nirvana, an existence of absolute truth and harmony between all things!

Are you still not enticed to take part in it?

Aizen:

-Not the slightest, I don't like the tought of sharing my power with others.

Yhwach:

-I see words won't change your attitude, nevermind, we have all the time in the world to discuss your collaboration to our cause.

I expect you to come to terms once you realize the nature of what we are trying to achieve.

While, I'm a little on the fence about Yhwach's Goddess Instrumentality Projecthttp://i.imgur.com/I9V1N8m.png.

I still feel your ideas on the real truth of the balance and there being an Original Soul King/God are things that will actually end up being revealed as the truth in timehttp://s24.postimage.org/ij7uufe35/Suu_Vs_Wf.gif. So, great job with thinking this up, Black Maskhttp://s24.postimage.org/6q5gcgs9d/if_Zul3_O.gif....

[S41kop4thy]

-A conversation between gentleman-

Yhwach:

-Seems we are finally able to meet in person, Sousuke Aizen.

Aizen:

-So you finally made your move, huh? I was expecting that.

Yhwach:

-If you hade my plans in kind then why you didn't leave any opposition?

Aizen:

-Our goals are the same, yet different. Hueco Mundo already served it's purpose.

Yhwach:

-So, you are aware of that too, I came here to confirm that but I also hoped you could add your efforts to our cause.

Aizen:

-I don't have interest in serving a God any other than myself.

Yhwach:

-You could change your mind if you bear witness to it.

Aizen:

-You sound like you made breakthroughs I couldn't?

Yhwach:

-Some, however, with your help the project could reach conclusion much faster.

Aizen:

-I see, you still need the heart and it so happens I have one carved in myself.

Yhwach:

-That heart is dead but it's still strong enough to revitalize our Goddess until the child awakes his true strenght.

Aizen:

-So you plan to use him that way, Kurosaki Ichigo, he is kind of instrumental to both our agendas despite our different conceptions.

Yhwach:

-You tried to take your bite but he proved too sour didn't he?

Aizen:

-I admit I might have miscalculated his power together with my own potential.

Yhwach:

-We learned from your mistakes, that's why we are counting on war potentials like you to further our project to perfection.

Aizen:

-So your are planning on wrecking the very foundations of the world in order to bring back the original power?

Yhwach:

-Like your we are trying to bring about a new one, however, tell what you know about the original power.

Aizen:

*Sight*

-In the beggining, there was a single perfect being, a true God which surpassed the boundaries of shinigami and hollow. That being was called the Soul King and all realms existed as one tied together by his might alone.

Alone... I supposed I learned the hard way how loneliness takes a toll on those who yield a power far greater than others.

In his bid to rid himself of his loneliness, he cut himself and created threads out of his own blood. By tying them together and pouring his reiatsu into the ensuing being, the Soul King created the first shinigami.

He made them a city, a paradise in heaven which now called the Palace of Souls.

However, after spending eons ruling the shinigami, the king realised a fatal flaw in his creation.

Because shinigami were created woven from his blood, their exhistence was eternally tied to his will and as such those first shinigami were nothing more than puppets being pulled by his strings.

Realizing his creations lacked free will, God despaired and tore his heart out. That heart, embodying his love and suffering poured down to Earth as the union of realms shattered by his death.

And from that heart and blood which flooded the Earth, new life came to be born with both the love of life and the emptyness of death. And thus humans and hollows came to exhistence.

Yet those deep changes in reality came under a harsh impact for the shinigami, with their newly gained free will and their God's death they came into face with a world where beings had to make and account for their own decisions and the burden of those new responsibilities proved too much for them to bear.

They desperately sought an exhistence higher than themselves to justify their pains and doubts so that it lead to the creation of new king and God.

Amongst all shinigami, their strongest and smartest appointed himself as the new king and claimed to restore order and balance to all realms.

Of course he held no such power and thus needed to empower himself from something else...

Yhwach:

-The sacrifice of human souls.

Aizen:

-Indeed, because humans were born from the heart of God, they still held a portion of his power even if it was minimal.

But said power could not be easily harvested because life kept the human heart chained to their bodies and outside the control of the shinigami.

However, when humans died and their chains corroded, their hearts exploded and created hollows thus making their inherent power available to be harvested for the new "Soul King".

Thus the shinigami created Zanpakutou and in turn became known as Soul Reapers, the balancers of worlds.

As the power of the new "Soul King" grew in the face of this new system, so increased his hunger and in turn he needed a source of food greater than what the difficult hunting of hollows could provide.

Yhwach:

-And thus he moved the Palace of Souls to another realm, erased all traces of his past and created Soul Society, an immense box of food where his lackeys could gather far more souls than those which became hollows and which all served to feed him upon their deaths.

Aizen:

-Do you understand the toll it takes on man's sanity to know that all of his achivements in life will amount to nothing but becoming food for a facade? All sense of morality becomes completely pointless.

The shinigami became dull and obedient to their new authority, unable to think of their exhistence outside the boundaries of their self imposed order they become nothing more than sheppards hearding cattle and no sane man's words could get to them.

As such my only option was to turn myself into a new God and release those beings, which discarted the very free will their God died to give them, from their falsehood of control and bring about a world of enlightenment.

I researched the very nature of souls, I found a way to isolate the intrinsic reiatsu of God whitin every being and process it into an exhistence closer to the original heart.

That's how I made the Hogyoku but it was a failure, at least until I find the nature Urahara Kisuke's own Hogyoku.

Yhwach:

-Quincy souls.

Quincy are humans with the ability to awake the power of God in their hearts without becoming hollows, because our pureness allowed us to destroy hollows and impart their souls outside the system of the "Soul King" the shinigami cowered in fear and sought to destroy us.

Aizen:

-Because your "pureness", the ability to draw on the force of life left by God to control spirits particles, in contrast to the rule of death the shinigami borrowed from him to exert their own reiatsu, the two of you became the perfect antithesis to each other and thus your union formed the basis to complete the restoration of the original power.

When I united my Hogyoku created from the souls of hollow and shinigami with that of Urahara Kisuke, created from the souls of humans and quincy, the Hogyoku became complete.

Yhwach:

-But that wasn't enough to make you a God right?

Aizen:

-As it turned out, having the heart of God is not enough to awake it's power. You need the body of a being who can fully embody God before reviving it.

Yhwach:

-Kurosaki Ichigo.

Aizen:

-I gave his quincy mother hollow powers and Urahara Kisuke gave his shinigami father a human body, their union resulted in a being who embodied the original power entirely into a single exhistence.

Looking down to it, I suppose Urahara Kisuke couldn't pass the chance to bear witness to such creation, I took his scientific curiosity in accountance to my plans.

Anyhow, I planned to consume him in order to fully activate the Hogyoku and be reborn as a true God but, like I already stated, he ended up more powerful than my enhanced abilities turned out to be.

Yhwach:

-You indeed have a different view than me, even tough we both seek the resurrection of God, you fail to acnowledge your own limits and searches for power you yourself admit you cannot handle.

On the other hand, even tough my subordinates see me as a God, I am nothing but a messager, a harbinger of a holy cause that will ultimately end this pathetic facade and bring about the reign of Goddess created by man.

Aizen:

-So you plan on using my Hogyoku and Kurosaki Ichigo to bring about the creation of a being greater than yourself?

Is that any different from those shinigami who sought to raise a false God just to escape the burden of their own decisions?

Yhwach:

-You misunderstand me, Sousuke Aizen, even tough I admit to be bored shut with having to decide over an entire empire, I don't seek to escape that burden.

Our Goddess will destroy all boundaries between shinigami, quincy, human and hollow. All existence will return into a single being who will embody the will of all beings.

Once that happens, nobody will escape the burden of their decisions, however, all shall have acess to a greater power to enact them.

It will be the creation of a new Nirvana, an existence of absolute truth and harmony between all things!

Are you still not enticed to take part in it?

Aizen:

-Not the slightest, I don't like the tought of sharing my power with others.

Yhwach:

-I see words won't change your attitude, nevermind, we have all the time in the world to discuss your collaboration to our cause.

I expect you to come to terms once you realize the nature of what we are trying to achieve.
Very interesting, but in my opinion, too profound for Bleach. I guess that's why you posted it on this thread... :p

[blitzmaster]

i was just looking at the tbp arc and i was thinking... that perhaps isshin isn't the royal uncle that kukaku spoke of when she shot ichigo and company up to the royal realm. In the pendulum mini arc, kaien looked close to the age of isshin in this ebtr flash back. And TBP was like 110 years before the start of the Fake Karakura town battle. And probably a good 60 years before this current flashback. If isshin is kaien's uncle, shouldnt he be a bit older? And it's not like it was announced or actually revealed that isshin = royal uncle. For all we know this royal uncle kukaku mentioned might be isshin's father. And maybe isshin is really their cousin. It's not like there's even any mention of isshin's dad.

[Herakles]

If isshin is kaien's uncle, shouldnt he be a bit older?
You can be an uncle that is older than your actual nieces and nephews. In Bleach, this would actually make more than logical sense given the Shinigami's distorted rate of ageing.


And it's not like it was announced or actually revealed that isshin = royal uncle.
No, but it is logically deduced. Was Isshin the head of the Shiba clan in Everything but the Rain? Yes. Is Isshin a Shiba? Yes. Given that Isshin seems to be younger than Kaien, it would make sense that Isshin is the young noble uncle Kukkaku was referring to.


For all we know this royal uncle kukaku mentioned might be isshin's father. And maybe isshin is really their cousin. It's not like there's even any mention of isshin's dad.
Please inform me why this unknown uncle would actually be sad that Ichigo is going to the Royal Realm, despite that this unknown uncle has obviously had no contact in Ichigo's life to our knowledge.

Yeah... NO. This Uncle cannot be Isshin's father since that would contradict Kukkaku's statement when she said "Young Noble Uncle".

[jofosho999]

Can't prove it in any way whatsoever but:

The Ouken Yamamoto had mentioned way back when? Smacks of being a forgotten weapon set aside as a "just in case". Perhaps it's some super-warrior put into stasis by some lost technology, and only Yamamoto knew how to find him when needed.

I bet that Ouken was created 1000 years ago; everything else was from that time! :elmo And now that the Quincy are active again, it's time to dust off the weapon and get things moving again. Too bad Yamamoto was the only one with the Ouken's location.

Or:

How about the Ouken in question being the cause of the war in the first place? The Shinigami wanted it to protect its existence, and the Quincy are hell-bent on destroying it. [Gotei-13 with their "protection" ideals; Quincy (滅却師): "monk of destruction".] Of course, they got more caught up in fighting each other along the way and forgot their real purposes.

I like the first idea better. It's like one of these cliqued sci fi movies where the villains try to release the real villain/monster. Or one of those animes (Inuyasha) for example. The Ouken is a creation of one of the RG. It's not like..an actual key. So when Yama was talking about the Ouken, I don't think he was talking about using a key to unlock a door to the Royal Realm. From what we figured out, the Ouken is an actual living being, the Royal Guards themselves, so whatever Ouken Yama was talking about was probably about this mysterious "Royal Guard' member. It spells mystery..M Y S T E R Y ... its great for the story. Hope you're right about this

[Minerva]

I like the first idea better. It's like one of these cliqued sci fi movies where the villains try to release the real villain/monster. Or one of those animes (Inuyasha) for example.
That's what I was thinking about as an option. It's such a standard literary cliché but it would make sense here. Releasing Cthulhu from hibernation, awakening the Kraken from the depths to avenge all that sushi you've eaten lately, etc. Sure, raise the eldritch abomination to help you -- but it might just turn on you the moment your power slips a bit.

Maybe the Ouken locks the door keeping said creature in check?


The Ouken is a creation of one of the RG. It's not like..an actual key. So when Yama was talking about the Ouken, I don't think he was talking about using a key to unlock a door to the Royal Realm. From what we figured out, the Ouken is an actual living being, the Royal Guards themselves, so whatever Ouken Yama was talking about was probably about this mysterious "Royal Guard' member.
It's clear we're not just dealing with another vaguely-nice/helpful RG who happened to have been born in an unusual way. Would such an entity not have been inducted into the Guards, then? It's normal to want to have all the powerful entities on your side as soon as possible. The fact that Yamamoto knows about it -- and is merely keeping a watchful eye says something is strange about this situation. Said Ouken doesn't know what he is, and is being held in reserve for activation at the right time? Maybe.

Interesting idea that one of the Guards created this. :wha We still don't know what the other two invented. Senjumaru is apparently good at opening doors. Is she the Locksmith who created this Key, then? That would be interesting.

[namc]

reading byakuya and Ichigo's fight again, the speed phantom 2, to withstand byakuya's hand controlled petals ichigo slashs all of the petals away. I think its pretty possible that this could have been his dormant quincy energy spiking and canceling out the effect (similar to Yorouichi and soi-fon's fight just before) It would essentially then be reiatsu against reishi which would make sense to cancel.

[Novembre Pleut]

katagiri is actually full blooded, not half...

[Kurosaki Ichigo.]

Was the ouken made from the souls of Quincy during the last war?

[igge]

The Ouken is probably a lot older than that.

[mlickko]

Is it just me or does anyone else find it curious, that there are 5 active members of Royal Guard a.k.a Zero Division and there used to be exactly 5 Noble Families?
Every Noble family had its own symbol and take care of something else.
To me, it seems that they are something like acting personel for Royal Guard in Soul Society.

[Minerva]

Was the ouken made from the souls of Quincy during the last war?
I can check the raw again, but it was quite some time ago. 200 years ago isn't that long for the Shinigami. Unless you mean the First Holy War (circa 1000+ years ago)? In which case yes, I think it's possible.

They had a lot of souls handy that the Quincy didn't really need, they (presumably) had a large battlefield and/or city to destroy. That's the materials listed for creation of that Ouken. Yamamoto had his bankai at the ready to provide necessary firepower.

I have suspected that there's a reason Yamamoto knew the location of said Ouken, namely that his bankai may have been involved in its creation. How many Quincy souls did he resurrect recently? Quite a few.

[Kurosaki Ichigo.]

The amount of souls he had killed seemed a bit over the top, it was thousands if I recall correctly?

Now that makes some sense if the end result of that massacre was an ouken. His bankai almost destroyed soul society....

Hey crack theory eh.

[Minerva]

Crack with a good amount of canon to back it up.

Something horrible happened last time he used his bankai, that's confirmed. He's the only one who knew where this other Ouken has been hiding all this time, that's confirmed. Said Ouken was created a long time ago, that's confirmed.

There's only a handful of time nexus points in our story:

current time
17 months ago (start of story)
22 years ago (flashback about Isshin and Masaki)
50 years ago (Hisana's death, Rukia's adoption, several current captains achieving their positions)
100 years ago (TBTP)
200 years ago (Quincy massacre)
1000 years ago (First Holy War)


Anything 200 years ago or less is too recent. So we're looking at the Ouken's creation being around the last time Yamamoto used his bankai. Connection between the two events? Plausible, especially when he's the one who knew the Ouken's location -- and now Shunsui should know.

Is it crack, or Fourth-level secret? Only Kubo knows. :elmo

[Andygoesrawr]

Is it just me or does anyone else find it curious, that there are 5 active members of Royal Guard a.k.a Zero Division and there used to be exactly 5 Noble Families?
Every Noble family had its own symbol and take care of something else.
To me, it seems that they are something like acting personel for Royal Guard in Soul Society.

I've written a theory regarding this in the past. If you look at the current members and compare them to the families we know of, you'll also notice that there are some serious alignments.

The biggest of all would have to be the Shihoin. What do we know about the Shihoin? We know that they have tools made to destroy the Sokyoku, and they all probably have dark skin. What do we know about the Sokyoku? It's the most powerful Zanpakuto in existence, and takes the shape of a large fire bird. Now, we don't know much about the Sokyoku, but I would argue that there's only one person possibly responsible for its creation. Ouetsu Nimaiya. If he created something that powerful, surely he would have created something capable of destroying it.

I believe Ouetsu Nimaiya corresponds to the Shihoin family. Senjumaru Shutara the Kuchiki family, purely based on looks (and another extremely loose and arbitrary connection based on the Wu Xing which is a little bit too crack for this thread). The other three are obviously going to be a bit iffy, but I'd say Osho for the Shiba family, for the pure fact that he looks a little bit like Ganju and has a personality like the Shibas.

[Arkyle]

I just had this crazy yet not so theory. Uryu has always been an ally of Yhwach! The only reason he started to hang out with Ichigo is because he learned from Yhwach that Ichigo is a Quincy as well. Really...how would you be able to forgive the bastards who killed and experimented on your father figure?

[Dizfactor]

Crack with a good amount of canon to back it up.

Something horrible happened last time he used his bankai, that's confirmed. He's the only one who knew where this other Ouken has been hiding all this time, that's confirmed. Said Ouken was created a long time ago, that's confirmed.

There's only a handful of time nexus points in our story:

current time
17 months ago (start of story)
22 years ago (flashback about Isshin and Masaki)
50 years ago (Hisana's death, Rukia's adoption, several current captains achieving their positions)
100 years ago (TBTP)
200 years ago (Quincy massacre)
1000 years ago (First Holy War)


Anything 200 years ago or less is too recent. So we're looking at the Ouken's creation being around the last time Yamamoto used his bankai. Connection between the two events? Plausible, especially when he's the one who knew the Ouken's location -- and now Shunsui should know.

Is it crack, or Fourth-level secret? Only Kubo knows. :elmo

So maybe Yama used his Bankai in the real world and it caused enough damage in a spiritually rich area and created an Ouken? Like Aizen was trying to do?

[Ichigo Kurosaki]

The hollow killed by Quincy don't really disapear, their reishi is just sent directly to Juha Bach.

That's probably it.

[Andygoesrawr]

The hollow killed by Quincy don't really disapear, their reishi is just sent directly to Juha Bach.

That's probably it.

That's a very interesting theory. The chapter makes mention of the Quincy King regaining his heart after 90 years. It seems like a metaphorical tale, but Hollows are the ones who wear their hearts as their power.

[Minerva]

So maybe Yama used his Bankai in the real world and it caused enough damage in a spiritually rich area and created an Ouken? Like Aizen was trying to do?
Pretty much. Aizen was trying to do it on purpose. Yamamoto did it accidentally as a side-effect of extended use of his bankai. Oops. :XD

All we really need is some details about where the First Holy War occurred to confirm it took place on a spiritually-rich battleground. But realistically, Quincy need that sort of area to fight in, someplace high in reishi, otherwise their weapons won't work.

This looks a lot less like crack, you know.

[Andygoesrawr]

Can anybody think of anything which happened 99 years ago which might relate to Juhabach regaining his reason? We now know he had to steal power from Gemischt in order to regain his power, so it's likely he had to somehow get "reason" from somewhere. Although, there's the fact that Juhabach has actually been regaining his power for the past 9 years, not that he only just got his full power 9 years ago. Meaning that 90 years before 99 years ago (:confused:) he would've begun "stealing reason", if he did at all. The only thing to close to happening 189 years ago that I can think of would be the Quincy purging.

Perhaps the Quincy purging was actually to prevent the Quincies from allowing Juhabach to steal reason from the Shinigami, since the Shinigami (Zanpakuto specifically) are who represent reason.

And even more crack (because why not), what if the reason Aizen was extracting the souls of Shinigami and potential Shinigami was actually to give Juhabach this "reason"? Have we ever actually seen Aizen's Hogyoku? I don't believe we have.

It's very interesting that "Heart", "Reason" and "Power" are the three things that Juhabach had to regain, considering "Heart" represents Hollows (ironically but rather clearly, as they wear their hearts), "Reason" represents Shinigami, and "Power" clearly represents Quincies (the only confirmed one).

It would make sense that Juhabach himself is not a true Quincy, and was only able to pass his power on through blood, and not his heart or reason. Although the implications may be that he is in fact a Transcendent... unintentionally, but interestingly.

This opens up the possibility that Ichigo is intended to serve as the next king in Juhabach's place, but then there is the question of how Uryuu is meant to himself be a prince if the requirement is being Transcendental.

Goddamn I love Kubo right now.

[Latte]

To contribute to the above theory^

As fodder 13th squad guy said, the quincies beleive they are fighting for a just cause too. However, any reasonable Quincies should be able to discern what they are doing is unbalancing the universe.

What if by killing hollows they don't actually erase them from existance, but isntead send thier being to reconstitute Ywach?
After 900 years of tradition the reason for why they might have done it originally might have been lost to the more recent Quincies, perhaps some ancient order Ywach gave before dying: ' Go out my people, harvest the hollows so I may regain my being, until then...I must sleep...etc.' The recent chapter said it itself, Ywach was 'the legend of the Quincy king.'

The shinigami don't know this because they simply assume Quincies kill souls permenantly, and again the knowledge of Ywach may be lost to time.

It gives both sides real motivation for fighting for thier ways.

[Minerva]

Can anybody think of anything which happened 99 years ago which might relate to Juhabach regaining his reason? We now know he had to steal power from Gemischt in order to regain his power, so it's likely he had to somehow get "reason" from somewhere. Although, there's the fact that Juhabach has actually been regaining his power for the past 9 years, not that he only just got his full power 9 years ago. Meaning that 90 years before 99 years ago (:confused:) he would've begun "stealing reason", if he did at all. The only thing to close to happening 189 years ago that I can think of would be the Quincy purging.
Hmph. 200 years ago was the Age of Reason (aka "Age of Enlightenment"). Throw out religion in favour of scientific studies. Quincy get the Christian symbolism, so perhaps that is what Kubo is thinking of?

100 years ago is the start of the modern era (flight and jazz and such). [No, I haven't played too much Civilization, nope.] It just happens to coincide with TBTP.


Perhaps the Quincy purging was actually to prevent the Quincies from allowing Juhabach to steal reason from the Shinigami, since the Shinigami (Zanpakuto specifically) are who represent reason.
Why are Shinigami representing Reason? Reason is intellectual; that's for Quincy. Shinigami are Power (as in, "the power to protect"). Hollows are Heart. The only thing not on the chart is Humans, although I suppose that's effectively what Yhwach was if everything else was stripped away.

Since this is the crack department, I'll just make an observation that our Eldritch Abomination has been confirmed. Now where is our missing Ouken who can reseal the creature away? :elmo

[Ichigo Kurosaki]

Ishida will be the one to steal Ichigo's bankai.

This will be more interesting that way.

[Andygoesrawr]

Why are Shinigami representing Reason? Reason is intellectual; that's for Quincy. Shinigami are Power (as in, "the power to protect"). Hollows are Heart. The only thing not on the chart is Humans, although I suppose that's effectively what Yhwach was if everything else was stripped away.

Well, as I said it's more so the Zanpakuto which represent reason. Zangetsu's speeches revolve around the concept of reason, finding a reason to fight, fighting fear with reason, etc. And the fights Ichigo has in the Soul Society arc really expand on this concept. His Hollow, on the other hand, talks about instincts and abandonment of reason, clearly opposing Zangetsu. It's inline with Nietzschean philosophy.

I would agree that intelligence would definitely be Quincies (but that's only because Uryuu is smart), but intellect is definitely tightly related to reason (synonyms, even). Sorry, I don't meant to argue semantics :p we'll have to wait until the raws come out to expand on that.

And yeah, normally I would say that Quincies are Reason and Shinigami are Power, but there's the fact that the power of Quincies was specifically required for the 9-year period of "Power".

[Skyline]

Ishida will be the one to steal Ichigo's bankai.

This will be more interesting that way.
I support this crack. I wonder how he'll do it tough, as he'd need a huge power boost to surpass Ichigo in order to be able to steal it.

[Latte]

Ishida could use Ichigo's strength against him!

step 1) wait for ichigo to stab him
step 2) absorb Ichigos badly controlled reiastu to make some sort of Uber-bow just like they did against the menos
step 3) pull a Masaki-maneuver and shoot Ichigo point blank, using his own reiatsu.

(I am actually kidding with this theory, I don't think it could actually happen, but it would be funny)

[Apollo]

Later on down the line I think Kubo will make a certain group he's pushed aside for the time being do major damage to the Quincy. I think the fullbringers, particularly Tsukishima will do major damage to the Stern Ritter, or maybe even Bach.
Also, I think Ishida joined the Vandenreich for the purpose of training. As it is, there is no way for him to learn new abilities. Afterwards he will have enough intel to turn on the Stern Ritter.

[Minerva]

What sort of training could Ishida want that wouldn't violate his standards as the last of the old-style Quincy? If he is there, he will be using their techniques with no turning back. It's already been foreshadowed, along with what will happen if he does:
http://i24.mangapanda.com/bleach/491/bleach-3281179.jpg

[Tom2rules]

^Huh, thinking about that I can't help but think of this outcome as well.

While in the middle of the Vandenriech's command, Uyru won't just switch out his techniques for theirs but instead try and advance his own techniques through the tools the Vandenriech's tools.

Perhaps Uyru will try and use the resources that the Vandenriech have to perfect his old tools and techniques. We know that the Vandenreich have advanced Quincy resources and technology, maybe he will try and make additions and alternations to his old tools, like the Steele Schneider as a example.

Maybe he will even try and create a perfect version of the Sanrei Glove, where he will be allowed to access the Letzt Stil without losing his powers (perhaps using the Vandenreich's own gloves as a base to work off of) and thus creating his own perfect version the that technique that is separate from the Vollständig.

Hey, less likely but its another way this could turn out now that Uryu is among the enemy.

[B. Haddrell]

I support this crack. I wonder how he'll do it tough, as he'd need a huge power boost to surpass Ichigo in order to be able to steal it.

According to Mangastream Bach said to Uryuu: "Now join your brothers in arms, my son."

It looks like it that Uryuu is already a Stern Ritter. If that is true, I am sure he is also fully qualified including Vollstaendig and special ability with designated letter.

We learned that a mixed blood Quincy can learn to obtain "Blut". I am sure Uryuu did so and this means, he got a significant power boost. But what makes a Quincy really powerful is more than raw power - it is control. This is something Uryuu has always been excellent at. I can imagine that Uryuu knows a lot more techniques now, also very difficult ones. Adding Uryuu`s intelligence and tactical abilities - Ichigo will have to face a highly dangerous opponent when they fight seriously.

I am sure, this will be very painful to watch for me. Keeping in mind their history, this will be hell for Ichigo.

[Apollo]

URYU THE BACKSTABBER OR UYRU THE “I’M GONNA GET YOU SUCKER!”

The panel skips to a dark looking place and then you see Haschwald before Ywach/Juda and say “you’re back Haschwald; and the “SUBJECT?” Next we see Uryu all decked out in a uniform standing before Ywach/Juha. Like many are asking, when did this happen? Apparently, Ywach/Juha must have given Haschwald an order to retrieve Uryu and to bring him to him. Any time a person is referring to another person as a SUBJECT, 9/10 times that person has been involved in some type of research study. It is my opinion; Uryu has been mind-handled and now is a prisoner in his own environment (Quincy). However, he adamantly refused to go to HM with the others-what did he possibly knew then as to not accompany them? That right there would make me believe that he knew something was up or he was hiding something; and I do not think it was because his father ordered him not to get involved with Shinigami’s business. On the flip side of the matter, perhaps he learned the truth about his mother’s death and decided to go along gracefully with Haschwald to infiltrate and defeat Ywach/Juda. It will be interesting to see how this played out. However, it appears the Prince of Light is about to wreak havoc on Soul Society-but more so fight Ichigo. What will his Princess say about all of this? I am hoping that the next chapter will do a backstory on how Uryu got to be there. I really want to shift back to SS (Rukia, Renji, and Byakuya). Like all are saying this fight or turn of events with Uryu is going to be mind boggling for some, especially for Chad and Orihimi…even Ichigo. We will just have to wait to see how it is all played out…..

Yeah, he calls Ishida a subject right in front of him. I think he underwent some brainwashing.
Also, anyone have any ideas of how the Soul King will tie into this all?

[Arkyle]

According to Mangastream Bach said to Uryuu: "Now join your brothers in arms, my son."

It looks like it that Uryuu is already a Stern Ritter. If that is true, I am sure he is also fully qualified including Vollstaendig and special ability with designated letter.

We learned that a mixed blood Quincy can learn to obtain "Blut". I am sure Uryuu did so and this means, he got a significant power boost. But what makes a Quincy really powerful is more than raw power - it is control. This is something Uryuu has always been excellent at. I can imagine that Uryuu knows a lot more techniques now, also very difficult ones. Adding Uryuu`s intelligence and tactical abilities - Ichigo will have to face a highly dangerous opponent when they fight seriously.

I am sure, this will be very painful to watch for me. Keeping in mind their history, this will be hell for Ichigo.

Well, he did a lot better than Ichigo against Ulquiorra (haha I'm half-kidding with this).
He has way too much potential and now we know how strong can the Quincy be. It was time for a nakama to have real Ichigo-defiying power, even if he is working for the enemy.

[Zanka No Tachi]

How Bach will be Defeated

After learning about Bach being the very first quincy, and having the ability to take away and give people power, it reminded me a bit of Avatar: The Last Airbender and Avatar: The Lenged of Korra.

I have a strong feeling that in the last encounter between Ichigo vs Bach or Ichigo+Ishida vs Bach, Ichigo OR Ishida will take away Bach's power somehow. Bach will return to human form, or perhaps die slowly turning into dust with all the 1000 years suddenly taking into effect on his human body.

Ishida or Ichigo (whoever takes Bach's power) will become extremely godmode powerful and/or use that power to restore the quincy powers of those quincies who are still alive after losing their powers to Bach.

IMO i see BOTH Ishida and Ichigo utilizing their quincy strength to take away Bach's powers together since they were both equally affected by Bach killing their mothers so it makes sense that they return the favor and destroy Bach together.

I just see this as a suitable ending; what goes around comes around.

[KittyUlquiorra]

Uryu isn't a traitor,not at all.his joining with Juha is part of somebody's plan afterall eyes and ears within enemy ranks is a very useful thing to have in a war.the question remains WHO is he a spy FOR? Kisuke seems most likely but i wouldn't put it past Shunsui to use Uryu as an ace up his sleeve especially considering the shinigami are at a distinct disadvantage.but to add to the ouken being a living person theory i have 2 possible ideas 1 being
Kisuke being said ouken (i have been saying from day 1 there is something "off" about him) i mean he's got knowledge far greater than anybody else,his bankai is "not suitable for training" and has to do with blood.then there's Aizen he could be said ouken (wasn't aware of it which is why he wanted to create a new one) i base this on something shinji said in TBTP that he knew Aizen still in the womb and could tell he was a "bad egg" right off the bat.perhaps the ouken has power at the cost of sanity XD oh and for pure funny crack: Ryuuken is Ichigo's father Masaki was prego when she met Isshin XD that last part is half joke.Theory #2 Kisuke is a quincy or a mixed blood quincy,his bankai reminds me an awful lot of "blut" maybe that's exactly what his bankai IS: a physical manifestation of the quincy's blut ability he has "blut vein" for offense,a wave of spiritual energy similar to getsuga tenshou,and "blut artery" for defense,his blood mist shield (feel free to
correct me if i'm getting blut reversed)

[athe_light]

Hollows killed by Quincies gets their powers fed to Bach.
That's why the Shinigami didn't want the Quincies to kill hollows, it speeds up Bach's recovery.

[pirateaddict]

Uryuu is extremely intelligent and is pretty good with strategy as well, at the moment we don't know if Ryuuken has told him about his Mother. If he has then Uryuu would definitely be more inclined to work with Bach so as to find out more about him. Regardless of whether he has this information or not, the point is that he doesn't really have many options. Bach is able to destroy a quincy at will, if this was told to Uryuu then he'd not really have a choice but to agree to join the VR. Maybe Bach even told him that if he didn't agree then he would kill his Father. For Uryuu at the moment, finding out that there's a Quincy King with so many other powers would be alot to digest.

As for Kisuke, well as always he's in the thick of things. Kubo gave a fairly flimsy reason for him to go to HM with the others but it's certainly fortuitous, he now knows all about Blut, he has a bankai stealing medallion and he's also near the location where the SR are grabbing everyone to join the SR army. These SR know the location of the Ice Palace, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Kisuke will be busy doing his own experimenting, find out how the medallion works, a way to either replicate blut or diffuse it in some way. The possibilites are endless, he's a formidable enemy to the VR. I must say I'm really looking forward to when we return to HM to find out exactly what he's up to. He's got the jump on the SS and Mayuri anyway. :p

[dashthestanpeat]

I'm going back a touch here, but I have a feeling that Kenpachi's zan is going to bring about a bit of a change in the 11th division. I think that he's going to learn from his zan that it is a kido type. I don't really have any basis for this outside of Yumichika's speech during his fight with Charlotte when he thanked him for shrouding them in darkness so he could fully release his shikai. He said that if the rest of the division knew that it was a kido-based zan that it would be a source of shame and ridicule for him.

[cypress]

The giant dog from the latest chapter it's Komamura's zan spirit.

Iba was training outside and wondered why the captain is still in the cave, so Komamura was inside for a while now but on the next panel he just entered, we can see the light in he's background. I think the cave Iba saw him entering is just Komamura's favourite place for sword meditation, and the cave we readers saw Komamura entering is he's inner world, and the white dog is he's power.

Komamura has a special connection with he's zan, they share the injuries and they heal together. Last time Komamura was in the manga he's head was bandaged maybe he even had a missing ear and now this giant dog has a missing ear and an injurie on the head, maybe with the missing bankai something is messed up in Komamura's inner world or maybe this is he's shikai and the rules are different.

The dog is white. Unfortunetley it's rare to see in the manga canon inner power manifestations. There was Renji's, the monkey/snake is white, and Ichigo but he had a lot of different power from different sources, it seems from the latest chapter, that he's own power or heart it was probably Hichigo, well Whitey and the mask on Hichi I think it's a different story, but my point is that shinigami's inner power what they manifest is their heart, a heart is white, so maybe all shinigami inner spirits are white.

[KittyUlquiorra]

my theory regarding Shunsui's pink kimono: perhaps he just liked it and bought it?:p.seriously though here's my theory: Nanao's mother was a shinigami in the 8th division,possibly VC before Lisa.she and Shunsui were close,childhood friends with him and Jushiro(or lover),she always wore the pink kimono it was her trademark,something happened and she was killed (whether it's shunsui's fault idk) Shunsui felt bad and vowed to take care of her daughter at all costs(it would suck if this was true i am a hard ShunNao shipper),he wears her kimono in honor of her memory PLUS it explains his closeness to Nanao and his insistance she stay with him when he became Sotaicho

[Arkyle]

Karin will develop shinigami powers while Yuzu will develop Quincy powers...hell yeah!

[darkeningcloud]

^
Building on...
Karin will be drafted as a quincy noob and brainwashed whilst Ichigo is in SS and Isshin is otherwise preoccupied.
Wouldn't that be a heartbreaker! Kubo has to do something now that he's given her spiritual awareness...

[Novembre Pleut]

Karin will develop shinigami powers while Yuzu will develop Quincy powers...hell yeah!

NO love for the fullbring side of things?

It's a shame that Kubo made them out to be so underpowered apart from ginjou and arguably tsukishima.

I hope the next time we see them in battle, they are upgraded to a more formidable stature.

[Quevache]

Likely never to have any real place in the plot anymore, and prob. guessed at by someone else already, but:

Yamamoto was the Ouken.

When he was appointed the All-captain of the Thirteen Court Guard Troops he founded 1000 years ago, after the war with Yhwach (seemingly) ended, he was imbued with the same special hocus-pocus that "Oshou" said was the source of the ability to enter the King's realm.

.. Y'know, probably.

:)