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Yorleni
06-22-2007, 02:30 AM
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Occupation: High School Student, Quincy
Birthday: November 6
Height 171 cm
Weight 55 kg
Blood type: AB
Theme song : "Idioteque" by Radiohead
Seiyū: Noriaki Sugiyama
Voice actor: Derek Stephen Prince

Story of Ishida
Early story

Uryū first appears as a student in Ichigo's class who Ichigo does not recognize by name. A few days after Ichigo becomes a shinigami, Rukia's cell phone begins informing her of hollows only for none to be present once they arrive on the scene. In reality, Uryū had been eliminating the hollows before Ichigo could. He formally introduces himself to Ichigo after three or four false alarms, informing him of his hatred of all shinigami.

Ichigo follows Uryū the next day and Uryū provokes him into a duel to see who can get rid of the most hollows. Using hollow bait, Uryū causes a multitude of hollows to appear in Karakura Town. The bait works much better than expected, causing far more hollows to appear than either fighter is capable of handling alone. The growing number of hollows forces Ichigo and Uryū to fight together. A Menos Grande is eventually attracted by the fighting, which neither Uryū or Ichigo seem capable of dealing with. Uryū tries a somewhat odd method of enhancing his bow: he ties Ichigo's sword to his own head and tells Ichigo to channel all of his spiritual power through it. Ichigo, ignorant of how to perform such an action, rejects the idea and attacks on his own, injuring the Menos Grande by releasing a large amount of spiritual energy. The large amount of energy becomes too much for Ichigo to control and Uryū is forced to connect to Ichigo's excess energy and release it using his spirit arrows. Uryū continues shooting out Ichigo's excess energy and vows to keep Ichigo alive so that he can defeat him one day. In doing so, Uryū ends up breaking the promise he made to himself to hate shinigami by saving one.

Soul Society arc

When Rukia is confronted by Renji Abarai, who has arrived with Byakuya Kuchiki to arrest her, Uryū tries to save Rukia, making up a flimsy excuse about buying sewing supplies in the middle of the night (though he makes it quite obvious the bag he's carrying is one he brought from home). Uryū fails to do so, however, and Rukia eventually goes back willingly after Ichigo is seriously wounded. After being healed by Kisuke Urahara, Uryū admits that Ichigo is the only one strong enough to get Rukia back.

During the training period before the rescue attempt, Uryū trains by himself for a week using the sanrei glove, which vastly increases his ability to form and fire spiritual arrows. After the week, Uryū leaves for Soul Society with Orihime, Chad, Yoruichi Shihouin, and Ichigo.

When the group is separated during their entrance into Seireitei, Uryū ends up alone with Orihime. They find their way to the rooftop of a building where Orihime is attacked by Jirōbō Ikkanzaka of the 7th Division. Jirōbō challenges Uryū for the title of "Kamaitachi," which is given to the best projectile user. Uryū easily defeats him, but Jirōbō decides that he can at least defeat Orihime. In response, Uryū easily saves her and shoots two arrows through the two points of Jirōbō responsible for generating spirit power, leaving him powerless and unable to continue his life as a shinigami.

Uryū and Orihime later ambush two 12th Division shinigami, taking their outfits so as to avoid suspicion from the many shinigami patrols. They are confronted by a drunk Makizō Aramaki of the 11th Division, but are "saved" by other 12th Division shinigami. The shinigami are actually under orders to bring them to their captain, Mayuri Kurotsuchi, and, unbeknownst to them, are used as human bombs in an attempt to disable the pair. Mayuri becomes interested in Orihime's powers, which she uses to defend herself, Makizō, and Uryū from the explosions. Quite aware of what they're facing, Uryū forces Makizō to take Orihime away while he confronts Mayuri.

Initially, Uryū is little match for the captain-level Mayuri, who, in addition to being able to regenerate his limbs and use his body parts as weapons, can paralyze his opponents with the initial release of his zanpakutō. He even uses his own lieutenant, Nemu Kurotsuchi, to disable Uryū long enough to land a hit. Mayuri's callous disregard for his own lieutenant, as well as kicking her for asking for medical assistance, angers Uryū. Mayuri reveals that he created Nemu and mocks his sympathy as part of the meaningless "Quincy pride" they speak about until their last breath. He recalls the last Quincy he researched who kept on calling out the name of his student and shows Uryū a photograph, which depicts none other than his own grandfather. Motivated to defeat Mayuri at any cost, Uryū uses ransōtengai to move his paralyzed body and removes his sanrei glove, greatly increasing his Quincy powers at the cost of losing them shortly thereafter. Though more than powerful enough to defeat Mayuri in this form, Uryū is ultimately unsuccessful. After Mayuri uses his final release to poison Uryū, earning an arrow through the chest in return, he escapes by reducing himself to a liquid state.

After Mayuri is gone, Nemu gives Uryū the antidote to the poison in gratitude for not shooting her creator and father in the head, which would have been fatal. Uryū finds his way up the stairs to the Shrine of Penitence and realizes that he has truly lost his Quincy powers as his grandfather had warned him would happen. He is then confronted by Kaname Tōsen, who uses his initial release to render Uryū unconscious. Uryū is placed in a holding cell and healed by the 4th Division, where he finds himself with Ganju Shiba and Chad. They are freed by Kenpachi Zaraki and reunited with Orihime. Kenpachi's lieutenant, Yachiru Kusajishi, leads the group to the execution stands, where they wait as Ichigo and Byakuya fight. After Byakuya is defeated, the group tends to Ichigo. They later learn of the elaborate conspiracy surrounding Rukia's execution, masterminded by Sōsuke Aizen. After Aizen escapes to Hueco Mundo, Uryū, Chad, Ichigo, and Orihime depart for the living world. When Uryū departs for his house, he reminds Ichigo that they are still enemies.

Hueco Mundo arc

When Orihime is captured by Aizen, Uryū shows up at the Urahara Shop with Chad to help Ichigo rescue her. While traveling to Hueco Mundo, he reveals his justification for violating his promise to his father by aiding Ichigo: he is not helping because Ichigo is a friend, but rather because he was abandoned by Soul Society and thus is not technically a shinigami. Isshin Kurosaki, however, believes Ryūken purposely let Uryū go with Ichigo.

Upon their arrival at Hueco Mundo, Uryū and Chad engage two arrancar, named Demōra and Iceringer respectively, telling Ichigo to watch them. While struggling against Demōra, Uryū remembers Ryūken Ishida's advice concerning two-on-two battles, and he switches targets with Chad. Uryū proceeds to summon his new bow and engages the long-range fighter Iceringer after a short chase. Unfortunately for Iceringer, Uryū's skill with projectiles is far beyond his own, allowing Uryū to defeat Iceringer easily.

During their trip to Aizen's palace, the group meets a few "good" hollows and their arrancar companion. They join together and head for Aizen's palace with them, only to be ambushed by a sand monster that seems immune to all their attacks. Nell Tu, the arrancar, explains that the sand monster's weakness is water. Renji Abarai and Rukia Kuchiki arrive on the scene shortly after the announcement, and Rukia's ice-based abilites make defeating the sand monster simple. The five, with their companions, proceed to Aizen's headquarters and, encountering a room with five exits, decide to split up, vowing that they shall meet again alive after their respective battles.

Uryū ends up fighting a female arrancar named Cirucci Thunderwitch. Using a whip-like weapon with a ring attached, she proves immune to his attacks while Uryū is unable to defend against hers. Pesshe, one of the friendly hollows, comes running in during the battle, searching for Nell. Neither is too happy to see the other, but they are forced to join forces against Cirucci, Pesshe shows his worth in battle by slowing Cirucci down using a special friction-reducing liquid which he named the "Infinite Slick", but she releases her zanpakutō to grow a pair of bladed wings. Uryū and Pesshe continue to have trouble against Cirucci, whose wing blades make effective projectiles, so Uryū changes strategies and produces an energy sword he calls the Seele Schneider. Using the blade, he easily slices through Cirucci's blade attacks.

Cirucci then "sheds" her wing and arm extensions, allowing her to wield her energy in a more concentrated form at their expense. Despite doing so, Uryū's sword proves to be the stronger blade, absorbing energy from Cirucci's attacks with each clash. While Cirucci believes that her longer range will make her the victor, Uryū reveals that the Seele Schneider is in fact a powerful arrow, not a sword, and fires it through her chest. After the battle, Pesshe notes that Cirucci is not dead, but Uryū is unwilling to kill her, saying that it's his choice since he won. Additionally, he reveals that he aimed his final arrow at the source of her spiritual power, rendering her powerless.

Later on, Uryū finds Szayel Aporro Grantz and Renji in battle and kills one of Szayel's fracción as part of his entrance. After Ishida reveals himself as a Quincy, Szayel becomes very excited that he can study the "rare one" who fought Cirucci. His excitement serves as a distraction, allowing Uryū to maneuver behind him to launch a surprise attack. It fails, however, and Uryū's bow soon disappears. Having studied Cirucci, Szayel has planned for Uryū's abilities. Uryū and Renji then decide to team up with Renji trying to hold Szayel temporarily while Uryū executes his plan. After Renji finishes his part, Uryū watches Szayel's movements and determines where he'll retreat to. Using his Seele Schneiders to create a pentacle-shaped seal, Uryū triggers a gintō technique which catches Szayel in a massive explosion. Ultimately, Szayel survives the explosion.


Ishida Uryuu power
Having undergone formal training and possessing prior experience in combat, Uryū is one of the strongest protagonists in the series, with his victories roughly paralleling Ichigo's throughout the story. As a Quincy, Uryū's main weapon is a bow, but he is also able to use many Quincy techniques and items to augment his abilities, including some high-level techniques such as Ransōtengai, which are rare enough that even Mayuri Kurotsuchi, who had studied over 2000 Quincy, had never seen them in person. Aside from his Quincy powers, Uryū is well-trained in both mind and body, having substantial athletic abilities and a genius intellect. He also possesses at least some knowledge of Spanish, as he understands the Spanish terms used by the arrancar.
When first introduced, Uryū uses a bow named Lone Sparrow (弧雀, Kojaku?), which looks like a bow made from blue energy. Its size is dependent on the amount of energy flowing through it. With this bow, Uryū is able to kill most hollows in a single strike.

As preparation for his travel to Soul Society, Uryū later masters the sanrei glove, greatly increasing his abilities. In this state, Uryū's bow is solid and covered in an intricate pattern. It is attached to his glove by a series of thin struts. This new bow allows Uryū to fire several shots simultaneously. By removing the gloves, Uryū attains the Quincy Final Form. The Quincy final form gives him a vast increase in power. All the extra energy collects on his right shoulder, much like a quiver is worn. As a result of removing the glove, however, the Quincy Final Form uses too much power for Uryū's body to handle, causing his body to block his Quincy powers completely after it wears off.

In the anime's Bount arc, Uryū recovers his powers for a short period through an ancient Quincy artifact which mimics the natural powers of a Quincy. The artifact produces an appropriate Quincy uniform on demand and creates a new metal bow mounted on Uryū's wrist. The artifact is unstable, however, firing arrows in odd arcs and with inconsistent power levels when first used. Additionally, it is fragile, eventually breaking after repeated use. Uryū eventually is able to use the artifact at its full efficiency.

After Uryū regains his powers with the aid of his father, he uses a new Quincy cross, this one resembling a pentacle, and a variant of his original bow called Lone Sparrow on a Silver Cliff (銀嶺弧雀, Ginrei Kojaku?). Unlike his original bow, this bow is shaped like a spiderweb and can fire up to 1,200 shots consecutively. Uryū also acquires new battle accessories, one of which is a new Quincy arrow called the "Seele Schneider" (魂を切り裂くもの, lit. that which slits the soul; German for "soul cutter") that can double as an energy sword in melee combat

Sites
http://www.uchiha.org/quincy/
http://www.quincy-archer.net/ishida/
http://community.livejournal.com/ishidafansanon


AMV's

Ishida Tribute by Killer231 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61p-mPCo7CY)
Ishida Tribute by ToXiC512 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wy8n7HlvUQ)
Ishida Uryuu Ride The Lightning by pirlinpinpin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scTnh2pG9Sw)
Ishida Uryuu The Last Quincy by shao2040 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-PIrtRVIfk)
Quincy - An Ishida Uryuu Tribute by ZTX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLG1neva6cM)
uryu ishida AMV - linkin park by sgiraffe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WApB6LjqS24)
Ishida Alone by arajan1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0Fs1MMO8nc)
Uryuu Ishida is Vindicated by BlindToLove (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-niMEcJU_8)

Members
01. Syn
02. Ileenka
03. Annie
04. debbiechan
05. jdm6845
06. Sora Chan
07. Nama

Graphs
Sig. by Debbiechan (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/debbiechanlovesvegeta/BannerIshidaUryuuDestroyer.png)

Syn
06-22-2007, 06:45 AM
Totally joining this FC as I love Ishida <3

Ileenka
06-22-2007, 06:45 AM
JOIN! >:O damn 10 characters

Annie
06-22-2007, 06:47 AM
Ishida~~ He is one of the coolest guys imo. Let me join!

ps, Ishida makes me miss Jasse ;_;

debbiechan
06-22-2007, 06:48 AM
TAH-DAH! I'm in for sure. Uryuu's my sweetie-pie and the most bad-ass Quincy!

debbiechan
06-22-2007, 06:48 AM
Ishida~~ He is one of the coolest guy imo. Let me join!

ps, Ishida makes me miss Jasse ;_;


Me too. Maybe she'll come back when the manga gets less frustrating for her.

:(

jdm6845
06-22-2007, 06:54 AM
ISHIDA!! I love him! He's so adorkable, yet at the same time suave and chivalrous once in super Quincy mode, lol <3. I love his quirks (the mad sewing skills, his outfits w/ the capelets), and the line "Quincy archer hates you" still makes me bust up every time I see it.

Join?

Sora Chan
06-22-2007, 05:40 PM
Ohh I loveth Ishida. He is so awesome, that sexy genius. I love his dorky side so much, not to mention his serious, devoted, prideful side.
My fav Ishida AMV from those I have seen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLG1neva6cM

Nama
06-22-2007, 06:50 PM
Joinage! Ishida is cool. ^^

debbiechan
06-23-2007, 10:41 AM
Looky, a banner, and I made it ^^:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y130/debbiechanlovesvegeta/BannerIshidaUryuuDestroyerSMALL.png

Yorleni
06-23-2007, 01:21 PM
WELCOME TO ALL!! and thanks sora-chan for the AMV is awesome *puppy eyes* i really love him, and thanks debbieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-chaaaaaaan!! for the sig *hugs* aand i really love your new sig o_o IshiHimeee~ *squee*

Jasse
06-28-2007, 02:03 PM
Hi,

I just registered..:o

Well, my final exams have ended, I will graduate very soon if God's willing.
Its been a busy semester. Thanks to God, it ended up on a good notice, lots of changes.

First of all, I want to thank everyone here, Annie and Debbie, I missed you girls very much. Syn, Dice and ileenka and Sora chan...hope you girls are doing great.

Enough with the sentimental introductions(lol), I want to join.:D..I hope to get to know you better Yorleni since you're the owner and all,you seem cool.:o

Well, Debbie was right, Bleach has been frustrating me lately.

I will discuss the Ishida/Renji vs sZayelappollo fight.

Realistically, there is no way for Renji and Ishida to win this fight, as in force sZayel to release and then kill him. The 1st part of the fight has made it clear, that sZayel has the advantage since he's fighting in his own turf.

Lets look at what sZayel's got:

1- Many frracions with different abilities roaming around, working under his command.

2- A room that blocks any reaitsu

3- Prep time, Other than his Churuchi's body and Illforte. sZayel can leave
the fight any time he wants. At the ending of the 1st fight, sZayel went to
prepare himself again to render Renji and Ishida attacks useless(if it were
to be repeated again, he's adjusting his defenses.

4- Lumina's, sZayel can always eat a Lumina if he was to be damaged, sZayel
was damaged pretty badly by the tag team effort, however, it was all for
nothing because sZayel revitalized and rejuvenated himself. even if Ishida
and renji damaged him again, sZayel can always regenrate by eating a
Lumina.

5- Renji is badly hurt and exhausted and bankai-less, he spent an entire
chapter on the ground, Ishida might have just shown his strongest
non-arrow attack and is bow-less.

So all in all, things are looking very bad for Ishida and Renji.

The only solution i got in my mind is that they think of a way to immobilize
sZayel's movements. Ishida when standing by the hole he created in the wall "saps out" Renji reaitsu and hit sZayel in a spot that disable his mobility.(it sounds unethical i know).

The other solution is to have someone interfere..(unlikely and I don't prefer it).

The other "solution" is to "magically" allow Ishida and Renji their abilities and let them fight at full force.(can't see it happening either, not to mention,
It would very OOC from sZayel. Also,Kubo has made it clear that Renji is quite exhausted.

There is the obvious answer, DEFEAT, my only problem with this option,is that I can't see either Ishida and Renji (and especially Ishida) vowing to get stronger in order to defeat/kill sZayel in the Winter war, sorry, maybe because i don't find the dynamics between these two appealing, I cant see Ishida returning to Ryuuken depressed because he cannot defeat the octavo Espada, and if a defeat did occur, Ishida's "depression" will mainly stem from the fact that he's not strong enough to fight/defeat one of the lower ranked Espadas. some people predicted that they'd end up as a part of his frracions, I find this stupid.

For all what Ishida has done alot and has sacrificed/broke his promise in this mission to rescue Orihime, Having ishida defeated at this point of the story would be disappointing, only to have him healed by Orihime.

If Kubo wants to highlight Ishida's determination and resolve in the mission, then this is his chance, I'd hate it and will find it unrealistic if Rukia was the only one whose passion has been shed on(hopefully no Rukia fans will be angry at me for saying this-gets shot-).

Kubo left us at the worse cliff-hanger ever, as when sZayel completely dominated the fight.

By the next time Ishida appears, I want to see him scared and to self-doubt himself, then to get a hold of himself and start thinking of something.I know that Ichigo is the hero of bleach, but Kubo has to do Ishida some justice here.

There is also another problem, Ishida has to be defeated at some point in the arc, that I am quite sure of, Why? you might ask, it is because Ishida's story requires this. He needs a motivation to get stronger, I can't say or feel that sZayel will be the one who triggers Ishida's motivation though.(or maybe i am just biased).

but reading the latest chapters in Bleach, I can't say I'm optimistic.:(

wow, long post.

It seems i wrote alot of none-sense lol, that or I don't find the whole ishida/aZayel thing appealing! it was too predictable for one reason and the battle lack a "connection" of some sorts.

So any opinions, thoughts? Was i over the top? overly pessimistic or realistic?

Edit: Is it me or is bleach really is frustrating as of late? but bleh

debbiechan
06-28-2007, 05:25 PM
*tackle-glomps-loves* Jasse! Welcome back!
Well, here's me, and I'm going to disagree with Jasse! :D
I think there's a way for Ishida to escape. At this point Renji is on the ground so Ishida will have to carry him out if both are going to make it.

But I doooon't think those little tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum fracions were very happy about Szayel eating their friend. I think that they wouldn't care very much if Ishida and Renji left while Szayel was having a wardrobe change--maybe Ishida, in all his cleverness will convince them somehow.

Consider this:The only way for them to lose would be if they died. Ishida and Renji can't die and they can't lose. If they lose, I don't think Szayel is going to be very nice to his prisoners--he seems way to interested in experimenting on people (Who knows what things he did to the Privaron when getting information out of them). It's like the Mayuri fight here--there was no way for Ishida to lose because Ishida& Orihime falling into Mayuri's hands would have been to grim. There's only so far Kubo will go. But Ishida got away nonetheless.

Ishida has to go one better this time around--a repeat of the HM arc (losing but living) seems fairly horrible to me.

I agree with Jass that Ishida needs a motivation to get stronger for the Winter War--not sure what that might be except that I think he's going to discover what he wants to protect, and if Orihime is left in HM, that will be more than enough--he'll feel like a failure no matter how many battles he's won. Also, if he has another conflict with his father, that would be an impetus. Who knows--we may find out about Ryuuken's past?

I'm predicting an escape or a victory. Seriously.

Renji--poor baby--I so want him to get out of there. He needs more to be proud of this arc than just blocking a monster hand with his zanpakutou and keeping Ishida from being smooshed---or Renji's great act of blowing himself up while Ishida prepared an attack. Not really shounen worthy triumphs for someone I doubt was planned to be in this arc anyway. Kubo needs to love Renji more. I didn't feel for Renji in SS but I have ALL through this arc and those damn fillers didn't help either.

Sooo, once again, optimism from my corner--Ishida will get out of there. How--let's wait and see.

Jasse
06-28-2007, 06:16 PM
hugs Debbie:)

Consider this:The only way for them to lose would be if they died. Ishida and Renji can't die and they can't lose.

That's true.


Ishida has to go one better this time around--a repeat of the HM arc (losing but living) seems fairly horrible to me.

Agreed, I don't want anything remotely similar to that happening.


I agree with Jass that Ishida needs a motivation to get stronger for the Winter War

Yes, that is most definitely true, I can't see Ishida "falling" before we get to see what that would be, and believe it or not, this is one of the reasons I cannot see sZayel to be his arch-enemy(or is Ichigo the only one whose allowed to have one?)

Ishida already had a one ultra serious fight against Mayuri, I hope that this sZayel fight is just a passing fight, a fight that leads to further events.
Seriously,sZayel is interested only in experminting, thats not the kind of enemy I would want for Ishida to fight in the Winter War. Its not a fight
I would look forward too.( A 2nd round against Mayuri would sound more logical!)

--he'll feel like a failure no matter how many battles he's won.

True and not so "true", I still somewhat believe that Ishida would be defeated, but the chances of that happening against sZayel is not that great, since the consequences are far too grim.

Saying all this, I cannot see a win either.

This is a hella of a cliff-hanger. I expect a "surprise", something logical hopefully.

The whole notion you have about who he wants to protect is too romantic and sappy for my tastes...runs away from Debbie.

debbiechan
06-28-2007, 06:54 PM
hugs Debbie:)

I still somewhat believe that Ishida would be defeated, but the chances of that happening against sZayel is not that great, since the consequences are far too grim.

Saying all this, I cannot see a win either.

This is a hella of a cliff-hanger.

Of all the fights in the HM arc, this one has been this most unsatisfying--from the moment it began with Renji. The introduction of Szayel as a character was interesting and there was some comic relief and yippee, Renji and Ishida had ONE bonding chapter, but there was so much excess.

I mean, I love Ishida but I was bored. Cool new move the sprager deal and some nice panels in that chapter, but really, it was boring.

Now it might be kind of exciting--I hadn't thought of it as being a real cliffhanger bc I'm so expecting them to win. But for them to be captured would really throw the whole plot for a loop (as well as extend the damn fight bc they would have to escape...)


The whole notion you have about who he wants to protect is too romantic and sappy for my tastes...runs away from Debbie.

We shall see, Jasse, we shall see. :) Sap happens!

Jasse
06-28-2007, 07:09 PM
No, Ishida would lose his sense of "badassness/coolness or whatever you wanna call it" if he becomes sappy and mushy.

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, this is a shounen manga.

Its all about the Quincy pride. Bring on the old feuds against the shinigamis, yep.

United front and the chapter after it were alright, but the ones before...oh god, were they draggy or what?

Most of Ishida fans are battle-oriented, I don't think they will like that
(I'm not sure i would either)..scary. Although, Unrequited love appeals to me very much cause it gives a sympathetic aura. but it should end at that(roar).

Edit: That drawing is beautiful(your sig), Who drew that? Such talent.

I read you saying something about Renji and Ishida escaping, I can't see that, it would be stupid of sZayel to leave them knowing that they can escape.

I have no idea of how Kubo will handle the fight. I have written all the possible scenarios. but, I really can't see them wining(in realistic terms i mean). Immobilizing sZayel is the most realistic option(for me, but I really dout Kubo would go that technical in his fights.

Debbie, since you are an Ishida-orihime fan, this fight can be detrimental to any possible Ishida/Orihime meeting...As Ishida won't be seen as the dashing "hero" but a fallen victim that needs some serious healing.

For Ishida, a defeat means that Ishida is not strong enough yet and still needs alot more training.(it kinda shows Ichigo being heaps superior and Rukia in a better light, I have to admit that.

This fight might have dragged quite alot, but I want to see a sensible fitting closure to it.

Sora Chan
06-29-2007, 03:21 PM
No, Ishida would lose his sense of "badassness/coolness or whatever you wanna call it" if he becomes sappy and mushy.

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, this is a shounen manga.

Its all about the Quincy pride. Bring on the old feuds against the shinigamis, yep.

United front and the chapter after it were alright, but the ones before...oh god, were they draggy or what?

Most of Ishida fans are battle-oriented, I don't think they will like that
(I'm not sure i would either)..scary. Although, Unrequited love appeals to me very much cause it gives a sympathetic aura. but it should end at that(roar).

Edit: That drawing is beautiful(your sig), Who drew that? Such talent.

I read you saying something about Renji and Ishida escaping, I can't see that, it would be stupid of sZayel to leave them knowing that they can escape.

I have no idea of how Kubo will handle the fight. I have written all the possible scenarios. but, I really can't see them wining(in realistic terms i mean). Immobilizing sZayel is the most realistic option(for me, but I really dout Kubo would go that technical in his fights.

Debbie, since you are an Ishida-orihime fan, this fight can be detrimental to any possible Ishida/Orihime meeting...As Ishida won't be seen as the dashing "hero" but a fallen victim that needs some serious healing.

For Ishida, a defeat means that Ishida is not strong enough yet and still needs alot more training.(it kinda shows Ichigo being heaps superior and Rukia in a better light, I have to admit that.

This fight might have dragged quite alot, but I want to see a sensible fitting closure to it.
One welcome back Jasse *hugs* Glad to see you. Two, I seriouslt doubt Ishida and Renji are still there. I mean Ishida created a gaping hole in the wall, isn't that how he arrived? Through the hole that is. If they escape, I think they might have a chance of winning. Renji could go bankai and Ishida's arrows would work.Overall, I can not see Ishida and Renji there waiting for him to come back.

debbiechan
06-29-2007, 05:04 PM
Jasse, my sig was made by Eurys but I don't know where the art came from.

Ishida's fans may or may not be action-based (his popularity in the yaoi community is huge) but his vulnerability has always been a part of him that Kubo has always focused on. He's been the schmiel, the nerd, the goof with an extra cape, the comic partner of Pesh--he's not just a dashing hero. I will admit, though, that Ishida's never looked or acted more dashing than in this arc--from the moment he rode on that spirit surfboard with better control than Ichigo and Chad to his high moment of badassery against Szayel,

I predict we're in for a long spell of unrequitedness on Ishida's part. I expect Kubo will make Ishida's feelings for Orihime clearer soon. I doubt there will be any hints of romance until the end of the manga--and even then I've always predicted that there would be a hint of "he's there for you" with Ishida standing behind Orihime protectively or something.

Daggnabit--we're not going to see Ishida for weeks if this Panther fight goes on too long.

Alaena Night
06-30-2007, 01:27 PM
Hello! I'm a huge Ishida fan. He's pretty much my very favorite character in Bleach. (Gin is awesome, too, though. And Ukitake.) ^^

But I love Ishida to death, and he's been my favorite since soon after he showed up. I mean, you have the stereotypical "cool, calm and collected" guy, and then... you learn he sews. Yeah, Ishida is awesome.

May I join?

Sora Chan
07-02-2007, 07:18 PM
Ohh welcome Alaena. I remember you! Glad to see ya here.

Raiden
07-02-2007, 09:02 PM
I will join Ishida is one of my fav characters

Sora Chan
07-02-2007, 09:08 PM
Hehehe welcome Griffith. Miind telling us why you like Ishida?

Raiden
07-02-2007, 09:17 PM
My favorite characters are always the types that are smart, cunning, a little weird and mysterious and use skill during their fights and Ishida is definitely one of them (maybe not the weird part). I love how he uses ginto in battle, like how he used "sprenger" on Szayel and I love seele schnieder.

Not to mention his line "Quincy does not use swords" is a pwnage line.

I would say he is my 4th favorite character behind
Shinji #1
Gin #2
Ryuuken #3

Dice
07-02-2007, 09:44 PM
Ishida is also one of my favorite characters. I've loved his gallant and noble nature ever since the Mayuri fight. I think he's even more heroic than Ichigo in a lot of ways. I would love to join this FC.

Alaena Night
07-03-2007, 02:57 AM
@ Sora: *hugs* Thank you for the welcome! ^^

Wows! Welcome, Dice and Griffith. More Ishida-lovers! :D

Hehe, I figured it would be okay to post here... I just updated my Ishida-centric IshiHime fic and... um... yeah. :confused:

Story Link: Essence - Chapter 11: Colors of a Dying Day (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3206172/11/)
Summary: [IshiHime & IchiRuki] He really should have walked away right then. If he had, things wouldn't have turned out the way they did. But at the same time, if he'd walked away...Inoue would probably be dead. [Post Arrancar Arc] Ishida makes a costly decision.

Byakuya
07-03-2007, 11:51 AM
Whops, missed this one.

Joinage?

Ileenka
07-03-2007, 11:59 AM
Welcome, Bya! :)

Byakuya
07-03-2007, 12:27 PM
Thanks =3

Ishida is pwnage, has he ever lost a fight? =p

debbiechan
07-03-2007, 06:10 PM
Ishida's never technically lost a fight, has he? One could say he was overwhelmed by Hollow in his first challenge with Ichigo, and Ichigo took care of the Menos Grande. But then Ishida made some gallantry points by saving Ichigo's life.

The Mayuri fight was a draw. Both parties escaped the fight alive.

Since then, I'd have to say that the only fight he's lost is the one against his father--but its debatable as to whether that was actually a fight or training. In any event, Ryuuken pwned Uryuu.
Since then Ishida has been awesome fantastic and supremely in control


I would say he is my 4th favorite character behind
Shinji #1
Gin #2
Ryuuken #3

Those are my favorites too, Griffith! I wonder what it is they have in common besides being skinny. I think what I like about these four is that they're not easy to understand--you never know exactly what they're plotting.

Sora Chan
07-03-2007, 07:44 PM
Technically Uryuu could have won against Ryuuken no? He chose to bind his father instead though.

debbiechan
07-03-2007, 08:57 PM
There's also the debated question as to whether Ishida could've defeated Mayuri if he (truly) aimed for his head (honestly, is Ishida that bad a shot that he missed his head?)

That's interesting--I hadn't thought of Ishida's softness with his dad meaning much of anything. But it may be that Ishida has some chocolate to leave behind as well. Remember the Cirrucci fight--he gave this whole speech about how it's the victor's choice whether the loser lives or dies. But you can just tell he wasn't going to do something so terrible as finish off a wounded woman.

Sergelia
07-04-2007, 12:33 PM
Ah, joinage. Ishida has just been promoted to my #1 favorite male Bleach character a few days ago so I didn't remember to join the FC... anyway, yeh. Ichigo is now down at the third place. Haha, Ichigo. Haha.

@debbiechan; I think he could have. Ishida's problem is that he can win them all, but has a heart of gold. That will eventually pay off, I presume, but if he doesn't get what Don told Ichigo ("You must become a demon, kid!!!!") well, I daresay he won't be able to improve from his current level of awesome.
Then again I love him for his dorkiness and sewing obsession, so I'd rather he loses a few fights than become a young copy of Ryuuken. >__<

Jasse
07-09-2007, 09:38 AM
Welcome all new members.

@Debbie: Then consider me as one of the fanboys. I for one do not advocate romance in shounen for my fav characters.

I want to see Uryuu already, he needs to get stronger and catch up to Ichigo.

I would say that Ishida does have a similar problem like Ichigo, he has a problem in "killing" his enemies, it could be argued that it would have been "better" for Ishida's "sake" if he killed Churuchi. sZayel wouldn't have an advantage in his fight. I don't have time to argue that. I'll come back later.

However, Ishida's kindness helped him survive the Mayuri fight.

Ametatsu
07-12-2007, 09:09 AM
Joinage? I do love Ishida - the sweet dorkiness of him :) (leaving aside my obsession with anime guys in glasses and with bows and arrows)

@Debbiechan - That last shot at Mayuri was through Mayuri's bankai-thing, though, wasn't it? I don't think it counts as being a bad shot if you can't actually see what you're shooting at. Besides, most people die if you shoot a big hole in their chest, turning into goo is cheating in my humble opinion...
Or was it some point earlier in the fight you were refering to?

debbiechan
07-12-2007, 03:06 PM
Oh that's the fight I was referring to. But I don't think Nemu would have said "thank you for sparing Mayuri-sama" if Kubo didn't want us to think about whether Ishida had or not.

He's the destroyer. When he kills someone, that someone is out of the reincarnation cycle. That's a big responsibility. If you dont count the Hollow of early chapters, Ishida has yet to have "first blood."

It's a possibility that in this arc he may have to make a choice (a la Ichigo) between protecting and killing to protect.

Ileenka
07-16-2007, 01:16 PM
Fanarts! Handsome ol' Ishida!

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2277/uryuouji2sf9.jpg

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1743/uryu4xa7.jpg

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6461/uryu4beg8.jpg

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7425/uryu2he7.jpg

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4834/isidaoyako2cff0.jpg

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/7113/uryu10cki5.jpg

debbiechan
07-16-2007, 04:04 PM
oh thank you Justine!! I love the second one especially because he looks so sly.

Ishida *is* a handsome one, isn't he?

Ileenka
07-16-2007, 08:50 PM
Really?? I like the first and the last.

So handsome. :inlove :inlove

Orihime doesn't know what she's missing if she doesn't cast her eyes away from Ichigo soon. :mad: She's going to learn it the hard way eventually when she finds out the one whom Ichigo truly loves is Rukia-chan. =_=;

debbiechan
07-16-2007, 09:09 PM
Yes, the hair's prettier on the pictures you like, Justine. And the composition of the art is more interesting--more clothes, more folds, how he's not standing stiff and straight (you can tell I've looked at these, huh? ;)) but I still love #2 for that expression. One of the best things about HM arc has been that sly, slight smile of confidence Ishida's shown us so often. I like him that way. I like to think he knows something I don't.

Ileenka
07-16-2007, 09:21 PM
He knows he's the hottest Quincy in his generation. http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1880/noworrywn4.gif

debbiechan
07-16-2007, 09:24 PM
In his generation is right, because Papa Quincy is SMOKIN"!

(wrong fanclub)

On topic--can you imagine how fine Uryuu will look when he's a little older and puts on few pounds (with Hime's coooking, this may not be possible)?

Ileenka
07-16-2007, 09:31 PM
Papa Quincy is HOT!! :yell

He just needs 5 pounds more. http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1880/noworrywn4.gif Of course, and a few trainings to tone up those muscles. :inlove

Ori and Ury will have a spazzing time shopping for cooking ingredients. :inlove

Jasse
07-27-2007, 08:04 AM
Hi everyone:)

Well, on topic, I believe Ishida is average looking, there are very few times when he can almost look as good as Byakukya (reminded by that pic in episode 136). but most of the time, he strikes me as an average looking person. He has potential to look better than Ryuuken in the future if Kubo wants to.

Seeing that Ichigo/Grimmjaw fight is about to finish, I'd like to see how the
others fares,

About Ichigo's quote in the latest chapter, I like that Ichigo has finally cleared his head and reached some form of balance between his desire to fight and protect, but the way he lumped his nakama and put the entire responsibility on his shoulders again is unfair to their right.

but if everyone got defeated and Ichigo was the only one standing, I can see why Ichigo thinks like that, as he is the strongest thus the more dependable.

Sapphire Star
07-27-2007, 04:33 PM
I personally think that Ishida is way ABOVE average on the looks scale. I love my Ishida-kun. :p He is hawt! :yell

With that being said can I join? XD I love this Quincy :p

debbiechan
07-27-2007, 06:58 PM
Ishida is beyond good-looking in my book. He's like that librarian who no one notices is freakin gorgeous until she takes off her glasses and lets down her hair.

Really--Kubo has been drawing Ishida beautifully lately--long lashes, parted lips, hair blowing in impossible winds (sure is drafty in HM).

Uryuu's character design is straight out of shoujo and BL mags aimed at girls--
long and lean with big hands, the longish hair. I think we're supposed to find him attractive but Kubo made him "real" with the quirks like sewing and neuroses. But the glasses are even a staple of bishounen boys--the long skinny glasses type who wear glasses are everywhere in shoujo.

Jasse
07-27-2007, 09:20 PM
Welcome Sapphire Star:)

Long time no see Debbie:glomp

Well, he's unnoticeable...that or I don't care about his looks in general. I admit there are few times, where you turn your head twice to see his face.

I wonder what will happen in the sZayel fight, maybe this is Ishida first loss in a long time, He needs to get much stronger.

Still, I cannot feel any emotion regarding his fight, other than teaming with Renji and planning(Kubo wanted to do a United front 2)...I'll wait and see.

Jhaxe
07-27-2007, 09:58 PM
-knocks- 'Ello there...ya' mind if I join? -^^- I come bearin' ma' collection of fanarts & manga colorings!

[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/___The_Last_Quincy____by_orin.jpg)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/Bleach___Uryuu_Ishida_by_yiji.jpg)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/Ishida_Uryuu_by_ishida152.jpg)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/ISHIDA_URYUU_by_kakashi1920.jpg)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/Ishida_Uryuu_by_Tru_Colorz.jpg)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/Smart_is_Sexy___Warm_Ishida_by_Karo.jpg)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/__Pretty_Archer_Boi__Sketch___by_or.jpg)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/Ishida_Coloring_by_spleenriper.png)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/Quincy_Archer_Hates_You_by_Raiha.jpg)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/Uryuu_Ishida_by_DarkAzNofHeLL.jpg)[x] (http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb302/Jhaxe/Taut___Ishida_by_anifanatical.jpg)

[All credits to respective DA artists]

Syn
07-27-2007, 10:32 PM
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa5/Syneiamgraphics/plushieishida.jpg

Ishida got plushified too :yell :inlove
Sorry it's late I just finished my bash of plushies!icons lol.

Sapphire Star
07-28-2007, 12:58 AM
Ishida is beyond good-looking in my book. He's like that librarian who no one notices is freakin gorgeous until she takes off her glasses and lets down her hair.

Really--Kubo has been drawing Ishida beautifully lately--long lashes, parted lips, hair blowing in impossible winds (sure is drafty in HM).

Uryuu's character design is straight out of shoujo and BL mags aimed at girls--
long and lean with big hands, the longish hair. I think we're supposed to find him attractive but Kubo made him "real" with the quirks like sewing and neuroses. But the glasses are even a staple of bishounen boys--the long skinny glasses type who wear glasses are everywhere in shoujo.

perfectly stated debbiechan! :yell Your posts are always LOVE.:love I adore them. <3 Almost makes me feel my posts are inadequet lol xD

And I have to say that Ishida is my favorite bishie in Bleach. As you stated those types are all over shoujo. And I'm all over the glasses type with long-ish hair :p. Especially dark hair. And yes Kubo has drawn him AWESOMELY lately. I wanna see him again in the next chappies though! I'm going into Ishida withdrawal xD. And I love his quirks .<3

@Syn: that is ADORABLE!! :yell :yell *squees*

kiri
08-03-2007, 01:39 AM
i wanna join let me in

MiaKa
08-04-2007, 11:31 PM
can i join the club?

Save The Butter
08-08-2007, 09:51 PM
I'd like to join. Uryuu's been one of my more favored characters for a while.

Jasse
08-19-2007, 05:22 PM
Welcome welcome and welcome

Miaka and save the Butter(what kinda a name is that?:D ;))..

I have been cut off from the net a while now. I managed to download the latest chapters from another place, that I visit rarely.(who cares about that?)

Anyway, the latest chapter is refreshing.

Kubo has been keeping Ishida in track and has yet to disappoint in this arc.
He is very much in character so far.:)

Still, I firmly believe that Ishida will inevitably lose, if not against sZayel then from another Espada, Saying this, I am NOT trying to be pessimistic or anything of that sort at all. I really believe that its a plot necessity that Ishida lose,
As it drives him to get more stronger and will lead to a an interesting events in the upcoming Winter arc, Ishida's big fight is in the winter arc...(or so I hope).

Am I the only who see some fans getting a bit frustrated at Ishida well formidable record. They want him to lose SO bad. I find it a bit refreshing that someone other than Ichigo and appears in less panels than him got something to hold at least..I am not sure why they're on a rush...cause seriously, Ishida will HAVE to lose a fight very soon I suppose, Its a like i said,
a plot necessity(for Ishida).

Anyway, I think Kubo will redeem Renji for now, since he's gotten the least action of all the rescue squad, I think this could more of a Renji fight than united front one. I might be proven wrong though.

The first part of the fight dragged on cause of Kubo arrangement of time lines between the two battles, he wanted Ichigo and Grimmjaw to finish their battle before the real(2nd part) of the fight between the others started....

The fight could go many ways, but sZayel is releasing.

debbiechan
08-19-2007, 09:02 PM
JASSEEEEEE! I was wondering where you were! :hug

As usual we disagree, but that's always fun, especially since we both are such big Uryuu fans.

I'm not entirely certain that the Winter War isn't a huge red herring and that the plot won't forge directly into a new arc if the hougyoku matures before expected. Kubo hates time-skips. Even a three month one would stretch him, I think. So far, he's managed to get in "training" periods while other action goes on.

I could see Uryuu's losing as a plot necessity if there weren't other things contingent on his victory. One, you know I believe he has to see Orihime again (he may see her in jail---that would be a parallel to the SS arc that's for sure) and Renji, who's done nothing more spectacular than save Uryuu's life in this battle and then act like a sidekick, may have something to prove in this battle. At the very least, we need to see his bankai.

I'm actually looking forward to the whole thing. Not only because I like to watch Uryuu fight but because Szayel is finally releasing and this means no more dilly-dallying around!

Jasse
08-20-2007, 05:21 AM
I miss you too:hug

Its only assumptions on my part,...

I have to admit i hate the jail scenario, not after what Ishida did and is doing in this arc. Ishida is struggling to make his way thru to Orihime, I want this struggle to come to fruition. So even defeat is actually better than him being stranded in some jail. This is Kubo's call thought.

and yes, I look forward to this fight as well, since sZayel is releasing(for someone who was perfectly in control, he sure is hasty!), Although like you,
I believe Renji fighting will be the highlight(cause he's done so little compared to the others, its only fair that he does more now).

Where is the owner of the FC? Our names haven't been registered as members for quite a while now.

NightMare
08-20-2007, 08:01 AM
I'd like to join

Save The Butter
08-24-2007, 04:05 PM
After seeing the last chapter I think Uryuu has things locked. Even after seeing Szayels intimidating release he still had a smile on his face. Maybe he's got a plan.

Jasse
08-24-2007, 07:59 PM
Welcome nightmare, We should contact a moderator, Debbie, I want you to become the owner of the FC if you don't mind.No one has been updating the new members for quite sometime.

Well, it looks like a smirk alright.

I have no idea what Kubo will do with Ishida.Its really hard to predict.

Kubo so far has been consistent in Ishida power-ups,while he's not as strong as Ichigo most definitely,he is still standing in the battlefield.

Group of factors helped him:

1- his skills and brains.
2- Luck,(He didn't get to fight a higher tier Espada, but against one, with whom he has a fighting chance.)
3- The help he got from Pesshe.
4- His teamwork with Chad and Renji.

He also seems to be determined(which is why I can't help but assume he might end up disappointed).

About this fight, I cannot predict the consequences..

Besides, whatever happens, they won't meet again,as in fight against eachother(or so I hope).

I can't predict the outcome of the fight.

debbiechan
08-24-2007, 08:17 PM
He's going to win, Jasse. And Renji's going to pull a decisive, maybe surprising move. There's no WAY our heroes can lose against a man-fairy.

I dunno about taking the club... I'm so busy as it is--YOU TAKE IT, JASSE!

Jasse
08-26-2007, 08:49 AM
I dunno what will happen in the fight.

Anyway, I will ask another one for ownership, I want to be the co-owner.

To another topic:

Am I the only one that hate Ishida-Sasuke comparisons, they do belong to the same archetype alright...maybe because Ishida gets the short end of the stick when making a comparison with Sasuke that gets people to say that he's a "lame weak copy" and a "joke"(some make it sound like Kubo was modeling Ishida from Sasuke), Its just when fans uphold the "same" standards for both characters.

Sasuke is like very important character in the Naruto storyline, and is a rival to naruto, Ishida not quite so(he has an interesting side story but if he were to removed the story, it won't suffer) and he's not a rival either. So, when fans see that Ishida isn't exactly up to the Sasuke standard, the "bashfest" begins.

I really think its very very unfair.

Besides, Ichigo is portrayed very "godly" in a sense, with unrivaled potential, making his group look bad in comparison by beating the stronger enemies.

The Naruto/Sasuke dynamic is pivotal in Naruto and is the "foundation" of the series, that could only be said for Ichigo/Rukia and not Ichigo/Ishida. Ishida is carving an individual path of his own, that just happens to be somewhat connected to Ichigo's path, and its ends at that.

I could write a mediocre essay about the differences between the two characters...its just safe to say that the comparison in its essence is very unfair to Ishida.

debbiechan
08-26-2007, 04:14 PM
I dunno what will happen in the fight.

Anyway, I will ask another one for ownership, I want to be the co-owner.

To another topic:

Am I the only one that hate Ishida-Sasuke comparisons, they do belong to the same archetype alright...maybe because Ishida gets the short end of the stick when making a comparison with Sasuke that gets people to say that he's a "lame weak copy" and a "joke"(some make it sound like Kubo was modeling Ishida from Sasuke), Its just when fans uphold the "same" standards for both characters.

Sasuke is like very important character in the Naruto storyline, and is a rival to naruto, Ishida not quite so(he has an interesting side story but if he were to removed the story, it won't suffer) and he's not a rival either. So, when fans see that Ishida isn't exactly up to the Sasuke standard, the "bashfest" begins.

I really think its very very unfair.

Besides, Ichigo is portrayed very "godly" in a sense, with unrivaled potential, making his group look bad in comparison by beating the stronger enemies.

The Naruto/Sasuke dynamic is pivotal in Naruto and is the "foundation" of the series, that could only be said for Ichigo/Rukia and not Ichigo/Ishida. Ishida is carving an individual path of his own, that just happens to be somewhat connected to Ichigo's path, and its ends at that.

I could write a mediocre essay about the differences between the two characters...its just safe to say that the comparison in its essence is very unfair to Ishida.

Well, Non tan voicing both characters in the respective animes makes people think that -- obviously there was some typing going on. The dark angsty last of his kind though is as old as Vegeta--there's one everywhere.

Ichigo and Ishida in Bleach are moving in two separate directions--their friendship seems, like in the poem, one that attracts, repels, attracts---they don't have that much panel time together and there's no core story, like you say, the way there is in Naruto.

I'd like to read that essay!

Jasse
08-26-2007, 05:47 PM
Well, Non tan voicing both characters in the respective animes makes people think that -- obviously there was some typing going on. The dark angsty last of his kind though is as old as Vegeta--there's one everywhere.

Ichigo and Ishida in Bleach are moving in two separate directions--their friendship seems, like in the poem, one that attracts, repels, attracts---they don't have that much panel time together and there's no core story, like you say, the way there is in Naruto.

I'd like to read that essay!

Thanks:)

I am not steadfast on reading the Naruto manga as I am on the bleach manga,(So, I will probably never write a long supported essay...) but because you want to know my opinion about it, I can raise some points here.

1- The concept of rivalry: In Naruto, the concept of rivalry is important and is emphasized by the mangaka himself, that is Kishimoto says that he is keen on keeping rivals in almost every team, (Shino/Kiba),(Lee/Neji)..but for him the most important rivalry is the Naruto/Sasuke..They become jealous of eachother, sometimes even resent one another(e.g.,after Naruto defeated Garra, Sasuke had it bad. They are preoccupied with how they perceive eachother's usefulness, they help eachother grow stronger(Naruto training hard in order not to lag behind, there is constant competition and so on.

In Bleach, Rivalry isn't a concept that Kubo concentrates on. Yes, there is Ikkaku who wants to surpass his captain and Renji who wants to surpass Byakukya. Its one-sided(non-mutual).

Ishida- Ichigo, There is no rivalry, Those two characters do not look forward onto surpassing each other expectations of their current powers and abilities, they aren't motivated. There is no jealousy or resentment or a keen steadfast interest on either parties to show whose the stronger of the two, there is nothing of that sort at all.

2- The roles (the difference between Ishida and Sasuke).

Unlike Sasuke,
Ishida is not an avenger, Ishida's role in the series is not avenge his grandfather's or clan's death..its simply isn't. The one fight he had with Mayuri does not determine Ishida's role or define it, I find it absurd that someone should think so. Not to mention, its unpractical(He will fight the entire SS/or the hundreds or maybe thousands of Shinigamis that might have participated in the Quincy genocide! Some make it seem like Mayuri is the only one responsible for the Quincy's sufferings thus the be the "only" one
convicted .
I find this an incorrect way to look at things, while the 12th division is largely at fault about what happened with the Quincies, the whole deal also shows how corrupt the SS authoritarian "regime" is, Allowing thousands to be dissected under their watch, the immense amount of bribing that occurred, and not to mention, many shinigamis are very prejudiced against Quincies and look down at them(see, Jiroubi's fight), the fact that Ishida himself right from the start of the series doesn't blame the Shinigamis for nearly annihilating the clan because their powers disturb the balance, pretty much cross the whole Ishida is an avenger like Sasuke.

There is also the "pride" thing, I can't arrange my ideas though about it.

I hope you find what I wrote useful. There are things that pop out in my mind, but those two points are major when contrasting the two characters.

spacecat
08-27-2007, 10:27 AM
Closed cos of a new owner.