Who in Bleach should be dead?

[Agmaster]

And no I don't mean normal dead as they are shinigami and the details get wierd, but I mean dead like Kaien and Ichigo's mother. As in, no longer in the series and there is no reason for them to return. Now I am not asking who do you not like, that'd be bashing, and that'd be wrong, hows and ever a number have characters have taken especially fatal appearing wounds (pre Brokinoue times) only to be fine soon there after. I'm aware it's a shounen jump comic, and I really want to discuss characters in all SJ comics that should be dead, but that'd be offtopic and we don't want to break the rules now do we?

Ah, and if you are inclined to disagree and say they should be alive, by all means state why.

From what I've seen:
Hinamori should be dead, Aizen was honest when he said she was too broken after his reveal to be productive in even a minor sense. Look at the poor girl now, she's delusional. More importantly, Aizen is apparently overpowered and got a sneak attack off on her. She should have been dead instantly, not fatally wounded.

Hitsugaya...was quite earnestly obliterated by an Aizen who had time to taunt and attack casually. A counter argument is that Unohana did show up before the battle was 'over'. Haha, like it ever started.

Renji. He achieved ban kai, he scratched Byakuya, he was shunned by Rukia for Ichigo (I think? Can't really tell romance in this series, it's a bunch of unrequited love going on), and was summarily devastated by a less than playful Byakuya. Another issue I have is the post kill monologues when people never die. I don't mean when they get up to keep fighting, I mean when all is said and done and winner speaks some cool one liner....and next issue guy is in bandages....fine.

Grimmjow. His story has completed and him turning coat would be...wierd. He found completion and a kindred spirit and then got deathscythed. (haha, I kill me)

Byakuya. Unless Ichigo thought he only needed to wound someone wh owas so set in their convictions that they would watch their sister (who they did love) die. That much power flying out should have resulted in more than a shoulder wound.

Rukia I think IS dead, and should be. But with Brokinoue around it means nothing. She has completed it all. Beat an Espada, spurred a town into a veritable combat force and gained closure. Draw books for the kids in heaven, you've earned it.

Ikkaku is one I am iffy on. I mean he went pretty all out versus the guy and was never really defeated, just took a lot of painful hits.

I don't recall how Ganju got so hurt so I don't know.

[Dec]

I would assume the character's are alive b/c Kubo has future plans for them (as writer's obviously would).
If we all agreed renji should have died the first time, or even second time he fought ichigo, where would that leave the scene and building of character we saw when he fought byakuya, even tho he lost, it showed the difference of power that Ichigo would have to contend with.

If they're not dead, they shouldn't be.

From your list I would have to say Grimmjow. Tho he seems like he will die anyway. He has released, and has no further use. Another Ichigo fight would just be repetitive.
Obviously the fight occurred for a reason.. we'll just have to see what Kubo was trying to do.
- have noitora take his rank if noitora was 7th?
- replace Grimmjow's rank with Chad? >_> [a wild suggestion.. but imagine what the hougyoku could do for chad's hollow powers. must be a reason why he so blatantly had to state his powers were of hollow origin, not just b/c he was at HM..]
- another Vaste Lord to occupy his space

if he's to be alive, it won't be for a superfluous reason.

[Cezaria]

No one, because everyone's dead somehow already muahahahaha.

But seriously, no one...because I think all the characters have fans somewhere, and those fans would be very sad if they died. And I don't think anyone in Bleach actually deserves to die yet.

[Shinrin]

Ichigo

I don't see how anyone in reallity could survive those 2 stabs from Byakuya in ep 17.

[Agmaster]

To the 'they have fans' argument. They're characters. The memories would be just as sweet if not sweeter as watching them in action when it no longer makes sense. We are watching a tale, if it were changed just to suit fans needs it turns into things like most late 90/mid 00 american cartoons. Not really a story as more of just random days in the lives of characters.


And see, I disagree with Ichigo vs Renji 1 because while Renji was defeated, he was rescued before Ichigo could do anything fatal. He just got curbstomped is all, not killed.

Losing does not equal death. When the ryoukai lost vs captains, there was no question they just loss instead of dying. That's how it was presented. Unfortunately, most SJ authors want all the drama of life and death without any of the drama of life and death, so we have these battles to the death become meaningless pissing contests. I LOVE DBZ, I LOVE DBZ, but we all know by the end there was no fear of death and it was just glorified arm wrestling. That's my one gripe with OP, though I would freak if a Mugiwara died.

....stopping now before I go miles and miles off topic.

[Save The Butter]

I agree with your list for everyone except Rukia. I'm on the fence about whether she should live or die. I'll have to see how things play out before I make a final judgement.

But Hitsugaya should be in two pieces right now and Hinamori should also be dead. They both got flat attacked by Aizen.

[speedphantom]

Kubo just loves his characters too much or he doesn't think its their time yet haha. I don't think its that big a deal if people don't die. Someone will die eventually.

[Primera Espada]

Well, first I'd like to say that Renji is in the story primarily to show the progression one makes in NORMAL shinigami terms. Ichigo is always going all crazy and not following rules, there has to be someone consistant to compare him to.

Renji shows shikai, Ichigo gets shikai, Renji shows true strength, Ichigo shows true strength. Renji uses bankai, Ichigo uses bankai. Now we see that Renji is developing techniques for his bankai, and Ichigo has not yet done so. We are given the indication that there's still at least a bit to learn about bankai.

Byakuya, now THERE'S a character who should die.

We've seen his 3 forms of bankai. We've seen the fullest of his power. We've seen him lose. We've seen him open up to Rukia, allowing her to see him as a conflicted man who loved his wife dearly and all that jazz. All that's left for Byakuya is one final stand in fantastic fight where he protects Rukia at all costs.

Grimmjow? I dunno. Either he's completely useless now, if Arrancar power is capped, or he's going to be the renji type for the arrancar, showing Ichigo how far hollow power can go. So he may need to die, may not.

Hitsu, Hina? Yah, both should die >>

[Yamato]

Rukia, Chad and Orihime. Seriously they are only plot devices with no real meaning.

The storyline requires more Aizen, Yamamoto and Urahara.

[@lch3mizt]

GrimmLow because he is a pathetic loser.

[Abarai Madara]

Orihme .. Then only reason she's being kept alive throughout this arc is because she is the basis for it ... If it had been anyone else captured etc She'd be dead.

[Agmaster]

Now now kids, no bashing. Otherwise a mod might warn you and delete your posts.

And we don't want that now do we? ;)

[Guildenstern]

This thread sucks ass.

That being said, probably Renji.

[Sergelia]

Logically, it'd be;

Ichigo. Chad. Rukia. Hitsugaya. Hinamori. Ganju. Renji. And many more.

Honestly? I don't WANT them to die (though Hitsugaya and Hinamori kinda... made no sense at all) - but at least stop showing the whole "HOMG he/she is badly hurt what shall we doooo?! *freakout*" spectacle. We know no one is going to die as long as he's on the Good Side, so it's getting ridiculous seeing characters wtfpwned.

As for characters who COULD die without affecting the story in a negative way... probably Byakuya (even though I love him). It might push Rukia forward. But he won't die as that would mean Rukia would become the leader of the Kuchiki clan, and... o__O well, just no. Those hair accessories wouldn't look good on her.

Ah, and Ganju and Renji are what made me laugh at the concept of 'death' in Bleach. It's hilarious; they were mincemeat, and then next chapter they are running around, the only visible consequence of the slaughter being that they have more bandages than an average mummy. It makes no sense.

And I believe Grimmkitty is dead as a rock right now.

[Shadoblak]

Ichigo Kurosaki
Rukia Kuchiki
Probably Chad too......
Ganju should have died....
Renji should have died from blood loss more than a few times...
Why isnt Hitsugaya dead?

But I'm being too realistic :p

[NightMare]

Most of the Bleach characters

[Evility]

Thinking about it, Ichigo should've died looooong time ago. And many times. I know he's the main character, but Tite is too soft with him. I was especially stunned after the first fight with Grimmjow.
Kitten literaly made him into forcemeat. And after all the beating and bashing stuff Ichigo just stood up and looked like he fell from the stairs. Seriously, that ain't normal for me O.o

Otherwise, I don't want anybody dead [maybe except Noitora, he was bad to Grimmy :b]. All characters has their own meaning, something big or little that fills the story, makes it more interesting or just pushes it to go ahead.

[Lucia]

Now now kids, no bashing. Otherwise a mod might warn you and delete your posts.

And we don't want that now do we? ;)

LOL, no bashing? In a thread that is titled "Who in Bleach should be dead?" ...No offense, but I think a thread like this will just entice some people of bashing a particular character they don't like, instead of giving you a logical answer to your topic.

[Sarada]

First, I'll try not to completely copy my post on NF and expand on it a little.
And second .... woooow bashing going on over here.

Hinamori should be dead, Aizen was honest when he said she was too broken after his reveal to be productive in even a minor sense. Look at the poor girl now, she's delusional. More importantly, Aizen is apparently overpowered and got a sneak attack off on her. She should have been dead instantly, not fatally wounded.

Uhm yeah probably the best candidate at the time to die. There's no real use for her character anyway.

Hitsugaya...was quite earnestly obliterated by an Aizen who had time to taunt and attack casually. A counter argument is that Unohana did show up before the battle was 'over'. Haha, like it ever started.

Could be, but then again they need all the captains they have, and well, the whole setup was kinda non deserving for a character death.

Renji. He achieved ban kai, he scratched Byakuya, he was shunned by Rukia for Ichigo (I think? Can't really tell romance in this series, it's a bunch of unrequited love going on), and was summarily devastated by a less than playful Byakuya. Another issue I have is the post kill monologues when people never die. I don't mean when they get up to keep fighting, I mean when all is said and done and winner speaks some cool one liner....and next issue guy is in bandages....fine.

Agreed, Bya's bankai is supposed to rip a body to shreds, he should've died from that attack.

Grimmjow. His story has completed and him turning coat would be...wierd. He found completion and a kindred spirit and then got deathscythed. (haha, I kill me)

Uhm yeah I can't agree with the death of my kitty ... so no deal. His flashback showed he may still be able to improve in strength, and the fact he found a kindred spirit ( not sure he sees it that way tho) is all the more reason for him not to die and to keep evolving.

Byakuya. Unless Ichigo thought he only needed to wound someone wh owas so set in their convictions that they would watch their sister (who they did love) die. That much power flying out should have resulted in more than a shoulder wound.

Again, I don't think so, their fight actually seemed kinda pointless.

Rukia I think IS dead, and should be. But with Brokinoue around it means nothing. She has completed it all. Beat an Espada, spurred a town into a veritable combat force and gained closure. Draw books for the kids in heaven, you've earned it.

Agreed, perfect setting, flashbacks, drama, more drama. Perfect time to die I'd say.

Ikkaku is one I am iffy on. I mean he went pretty all out versus the guy and was never really defeated, just took a lot of painful hits.

Again I'd say, perfect time for him to die in a glorious fashion.

[sephysarkon]

I guess I'll just jump in here to say that I agree with Sarada, especially on the Grimmy point. Though not on the Byakuya thing. I think he should have died... unless of course he dies later protecting Rukia, then I'm all for him living up until that point.

~the seph

[Frostman]

Hinamori Momo, i would've sworn she got chopped in half by Aizen.

[Agmaster]

Bya vs Ichigo seemed pointless how? There was no way they were going to talk it over. Not in this setting and their history.

People saying Ichigo should be dead are brining too much logic into the house. This is shounen, protagonists don't die until the very end at the best of times. Besides, we have dragonballs to the left, so that's just not happening. Not to mention what protects all the normal people and low tier powers when he dies. Ichigo is used as a balancing force to keep casualties down.

And praise TIte kids, Grimmjow still lives. For better or worse.

[awesomesauce]

i think hitsugaya should die as well... he was first owned by Aizen and then after the fight with shawlong he just like exploded. he shouldn't have lived those times. i hope he dies in the winter war arc:mad:

[LiquidTheBrit]

@awesomesauce: O_o wow. I never thought anyone would use that username. XD;

Anyways, I think Gin should die some time in the future, however, I also think Hitsugaya should've died.

And Hinamori, a bit after she was stabbed by Aizen.

And Grimmy.

(Also, Rukia should probably stay dead. =/ )

[Agmaster]

That's all well and good except for the Gin part. He's never even been in danger. This is not who do I want dead, it's who should not still be standing after the beating they took?

[thatbabo]

Hinamori should be dead, Aizen was honest when he said she was too broken after his reveal to be productive in even a minor sense. Look at the poor girl now, she's delusional. More importantly, Aizen is apparently overpowered and got a sneak attack off on her. She should have been dead instantly, not fatally wounded.

Hitsugaya...was quite earnestly obliterated by an Aizen who had time to taunt and attack casually. A counter argument is that Unohana did show up before the battle was 'over'. Haha, like it ever started.

Renji. He achieved ban kai, he scratched Byakuya, he was shunned by Rukia for Ichigo (I think? Can't really tell romance in this series, it's a bunch of unrequited love going on), and was summarily devastated by a less than playful Byakuya. Another issue I have is the post kill monologues when people never die. I don't mean when they get up to keep fighting, I mean when all is said and done and winner speaks some cool one liner....and next issue guy is in bandages....fine.

Grimmjow. His story has completed and him turning coat would be...wierd. He found completion and a kindred spirit and then got deathscythed. (haha, I kill me)

Byakuya. Unless Ichigo thought he only needed to wound someone wh owas so set in their convictions that they would watch their sister (who they did love) die. That much power flying out should have resulted in more than a shoulder wound.

Rukia I think IS dead, and should be. But with Brokinoue around it means nothing. She has completed it all. Beat an Espada, spurred a town into a veritable combat force and gained closure. Draw books for the kids in heaven, you've earned it.

Ikkaku is one I am iffy on. I mean he went pretty all out versus the guy and was never really defeated, just took a lot of painful hits.

I don't recall how Ganju got so hurt so I don't know.

I agree on all counts save Renji and Ikkaku. The formers death at the hands of Byakuya would have been downright pathetic. The latter surviving versus Eduardo isn't as out there as some of the other scenarios. Hitsu and Rukia have too strong/loyal a following so I understand why KT would be hesitant to off them. The others, however, seemed to have served their purpose. I guess KT would rather keep characters occupying the background than have them disappear permanently *shrugs*...although, it would be nice if he took Bleach down just a smidgen of the seinen path...

[lainchan]

Hinamori.
I still don't understand what keeping her alive achieved.
I guess Renji should have stayed dead but then Kubo would be ambushed by angry fans so I understand his reasoning a bit more with that one XD

As much as I like Grimmjow I hope he dies (though I'm pretty cirtain he wont)

[Agmaster]

I don't really agree with the idea of Ikkaku dying, but I was being fair and all of the possible deaths had the series been darker.

As for Renji, it would have been pathetic, but Renji really is all pathetic outside of talk as far as this series has shown so far. So, par for the course.

As for Rukia/Hitsugaya/Grimmjow....yeah...just...oh yeh this is shounen jump

[Riekie]

Who should be dead huh? Well...here I go then.

Ichigo
Renji
Ikkaku
Rukia
Sado
Dordonii
Hitsugaya
Hinamori
Kenpachi
Grimmjow

did I forget any?

ah yeah...forgot about Byakuya...thanks Rain.

[Rain]

Byakuya
Hinamori
Hitsugaya
Zaraki
Grimmjow

-there are probably more, but all of these have served there purpose in the series, and are now just there (they don't do anything to help the story)

[Agmaster]

Who should be dead huh? Well...here I go then.

Ichigo - main character. Haha , you're funny.
Renji - Discussing now...
Ikkaku - Already discussed, as he was holding back for most of his fight.
Rukia - Well, yeah...
Sado - Sigh, much as I hate to say...yeah...
Dordonii - Who?
Hitsugaya - Please look to Rukia's answer.
Hinamori - So we are all in agreement?
Kenpachi - Arguable. He's a physical freak, with enough reiatsu to promote healing post battle. Not sure if that is design or because of fandom.
Grimmjow - If only, Ri-chan....if only.

did I forget any?

Aizen? Oh wait, no that was a trick.

[thatbabo]

As for Renji, it would have been pathetic, but Renji really is all pathetic outside of talk as far as this series has shown so far. So, par for the course.


True, true...I just feel that, even for the shinigami punching bag, death at the hands of someone who is essentially an ally would have been too lowly a death even for him...

[Zikky]

Hmm... as much as I like her, Hinamori should have died. Keeping her alive must just be total anguish for her.

Hitsugaya, too, 'cause both of them dying together woulda been kinda... sweet... in a creepy way xD

[Agmaster]

I believe at this point in time in the series such a resurrection is in order. After all, closure is imminent it seems. Well, closure as much as possible in a Shounen Jump series.

[Starwing]

I'll have to admit I don't understand this thread. ><... Is it characters who we think have done their parts and should be taken out soon? Or is it characters who have been injured/near death so many times they should've died?

Well... Characters whose roles seem to be fulfilled:
-Byakuya
-Renji
-Hitsugaya
-GJ

Characters I could've sworn are dead:
-Hinamori
-Ichigo
-Rukia
-Chad
-Uryuu
-heck, everyone

[Perfect_Blue563]

Rukia. She got stabbed in the stomach like 3 times. It's getting ridiculous, how she's surviving all of them...>_>

[Ruffy GEAR 2]

1.) Did anyone get the irony in that question, I can't stop smirking^^.

2.) dead should be:

Toushiro
Izuro
Noitra

the rest is ok, otherwise there wouldn't be much developement if Aizen died.

[Agmaster]

Explain Nnoitra? When has his life ever been in danger?

[Malificus]

Who should be dead...I don't think I like this thread.

And with that I'll post :)

First of all I'm a bit confused (yeah yeah big surprise), so I thoughtwe were considering wounds and by that who should be dead...seems like some are posting reasons why they aren't like KT has further purpose for their usefullness storywise...umm, and popularity. I'll just comment on all of them.

Alrighty *cracks knuckles*

Byakuya
Damage: Definitely when he took a good ole stab wound to the heart for Rukia. What a dear.
Character resolution and further purpose: He had most of his climatic back story during his confession to Rukia, he should have died soon after that.
Fan Service: He ain't going anywhere.

Ichigo
Damage: yes, yes and yes. Super dead.
Character resolution and further purpose: ...hero...let's just say Rukia won't be taking over anytime soon.
Fan Service: You are number 1!!!!! Please refer to the official popularity polls.

Ishida
Damage: Getting your stomach crushed...quincies are still human. Dead.
Character Resolution and Further Purpose: You would think after his big vengence on Captain Sci Fi he'd be down and out. But whaddaya know. Father issues and the loss and gain of his powers. New tricks and drama. Staying power :hm
Fan Service: I guess...some of us will get over it.

Chad
Damage: Isn't he dead?
Character Resolution and Further Purpose: I dunno...not much to resolve in the first place. Doesn't that mean there should be something in store?! He's gotta win one epic battle...just one. There's the mysterious mexican powers and stuff. I guess.
Fan Service: And the Bleach fandom moves on.

Renji
Damage: Oh yeah. Ichigo battle...sorta dead. Byakuya battle...supposed to be dead. We were fooled.
Character Resolution and Further Purpose: If we're going by fulfilling a character's major conflict then...first he needs to surpass Byakuya. If we're not going by that then...uh...more united front chapters couldn't hurt...right? :nuts
Fan Service: See Byakuya. The Yaoi smut artists/writers would be crying in unison.

Yoruichi
Damage: Not really. She seemed to only get minor damage considering.
Character Resolution and Further Purpose: She pretty much just gives the beat down. Her backstory doesn't have a lot of things that need fixing or personal conflict. Maybe others can expand upon that.
Fan Service: Kill the sexiest female character in Bleach. See where it gets you.

Urahara
Damage: See Yoruichi
Character Resolution and Further Purpose: He caused a lot of **** to go down and seems to maybe hold the remedy. Bad idea to kill him off.
Fan Service: He would be missed...maybe.

Rukia
Damage: Most dead character in Bleach other than Ichigo. SS arc she got nothing, but post SS and HM arc...has really been sticking it to her. She had the pleasure of being killed by two Espada and the count down to KO is still going. Much love.
Character Resolution and Further Purpose: Her battle with AA pretty much sealed the deal. Epic fight, found self worth, finally was able to truly get past killing Kaien with her own hands. Her personal demons were in a way conquered. Dead. ...but wait..."don't die alone" so either we have to wait till someone comes around to make sure Rukia doesn't die alone OR since Rukia was raving about saving Orihime...
Fan Service: If I was KT I'd fear for my safety anything happen to that chibi.

Aizen
Damage: untouched and always with a back up plan. Immortal!
Character Resolution and Further Purpose: He's the main villian so until we have someone to fulfill that role, he can't go anywhere. We haven't even touched backstory.
Fan Service: I have no idea. Raise your hands if you want Aizen to die and I'll see what I can do.


I like this thread. There's more but I don't have the energy.

[Jasse]

Many(Like Star Wing), seeing the injuries.

I think Kubo will kill good characters but when he thinks that their roles are finished. I hope he stops injuring his characters very very badly if he doesn't plan on killing them.

[earthforge]

Kenpachi! :-)

Yeah, just whenever something out of place in Bleach occurs, that appeals to the mainstream of fans, I tend to bash the character.

Plausible way: Slashed by espada, Ikkaku then takes captain spot with yachiru as liutenant (if I could spell.) But it would happen either in the next arc or far in Bleach's future.

[Agmaster]

You are misunderstanding the thread. Not who do you want dead. Who has had a situation in the series that should have resulted in their death? Is this really that lost upon you all?

[Cat1986]

In my opininon, no one will at present.
As a shinigami, it's harder to die than an arrancar

[Malificus]

What about Ishida! He's still human! He had his stomach crushed! I'm telling you, that should have killed him off.

[tetsusyga]

Kurotsuchi. Uryu should have killed him in the SS arc. It bothers me to no end that Kubo pretty much gave up on that whole issue between him and Uryu.

Tousen. He's too weak physically and mentally to survive among the Espada. With out Aizen, I don't see him winning any battles with anyone we've seen fighting through the entire Hueco Mundo arc. He should have been one of the first people to fight in Hueco Mundo, and he should have died in the process while realizing he was wrong for helping Aizen.

Renji. I know he's cool and all, but he's not very strong and he's already came back from near death defeats too many times. Had he died saving Rukia, it would have been epic.

Yammy. He's weak and undeserving of being an Espada. Urahara should have killed him the first time they met.

Grimmjow. Okay for an evil character, but he should be dead in my opinion. He should have died at Ichigo's hands.

If any of the Espada are alive at the end of the Hueco Mundo arc, I'll be displeased.

[hello1993]

Chad
:glomp:hug
bcoz 4 me ...uhmmm..(no offense) he's da weakest...........

[Ileenka]

You are misunderstanding the thread. Not who do you want dead. Who has had a situation in the series that should have resulted in their death? Is this really that lost upon you all?

Then it should be Ichigo. This thread is redundant. :\

[Jasse]

I just hope Kubo stops putting his characters in this impossible to survive situations if he doesn't want/plan to kill them off yet..is that so hard?

Because he's destroying their personalities by playing the life/death card like that.

[Agmaster]

Oh please by all means elaborate on that statement, Ileenka. Crypticism is an artform that takes practice after all. Redundant in the sense that...statement a does in fact not equal statement b? Oh oh wait, or maybe that they are effectively dead already. Yeah, I couldn't mean dead in the story since literal death means nothing in this series. No no, by all means, outwit me with your words.

...happy halloween

[Jasse]

Well,

All the main characters with the exception of Orihime.

In HM arc, Ishida though, i love him, but a crushed stomach is too much for anyone to handle..

[Ileenka]

Oh please by all means elaborate on that statement, Ileenka. Crypticism is an artform that takes practice after all. Redundant in the sense that...statement a does in fact not equal statement b? Oh oh wait, or maybe that they are effectively dead already. Yeah, I couldn't mean dead in the story since literal death means nothing in this series. No no, by all means, outwit me with your words.

...happy halloween

I don't know what else is there to elaborate upon. I didn't mean to put down your thread in contempt with my previous statement, and I still don't. All I was saying is that Ichigo should have died a dozen times over and therefore I have answered the question prompted 'who in Bleach should be dead'. But then again based on Ichigo's status as hero of the story, that possibility is trashed. You and other people have already listed other supposedly dead characters along with your own rationale - which makes further discussion unnecessary.

Characters in Bleach aren't going to die because KT values his fans. Fans are attached not to the story, but to the characters. As an example, one might think Mayuri should die - but alas, Mayuri does have fans. The series of Colourful Bleach omake in fact, put Mayuri in a very unique light and less hateable than the inhuman whacko that was portrayed in the main manga. Come to think of it, I would have hated it if he died.

So at the end of the day, if I were to say who should have died in Bleach, it would be Orihime - right on in Chapter 4, killed by her own brother so we don't have to go through the current yawn fest that is the HM Arc. However, saying that is redundant, because it didn't turn out that way. Discussing about what 'should' or 'should not' have beens is needless, since this is the way it has already turned out to be, this is the current way it is.

You shouldn't take my previous post as an offense. It's just that in my haste to answer and then exit the thread, I thought you would automatically comprehend without me elaborating too much.

[Jasse]

Great post, ileenka

I agree on the account that whats great about Bleach is the characters and not the plot. Kubo talent lies that he can create a wide array of very likable characters.

I admit i am also one of those who cares very little of Bleach plot, or rather don't find it engaging like lets say Naruto or HXH or Death note, where likable characters can die...and i will continue seeing the shows cause
the plot is engaging enough for me to continue. Maybe in Naruto case, is that because i don't really care about the characters ever since part 2 started..but the fights kept me interested.

Bleach is a character driven manga and not a plot driven one. The plot has been missing from bleach ever since mid-HM arc and probably even before.
its been on a hiatus...still, people have enjoyed the manga cause of Ulqu and Grimmjaw and sZayel and Nel and now the Kenpachi appearance...the possible reunions between Ichigo/Ori or Ichigo/Rukia.
its all about the characters/their interactions/the humor/the romance and little if not ever about the plot.

People loved SS because of the characters-captains and vice-captains,
plot was decent..but i bet its the character interactions and variety is what kept people in touch with the manga.

Kubo also hasn't established a pattern where the fans expect(have to accept) when characters are dead or when to draw the line that a character role is finished in the story.

H X H, Togashi have sort of made it "clear" that with the exception of Gon/Killua and you can include Hisoka/Leorio/Kurapika and even the latter group is debatable, characters are killable, and even the characters i mentioned aren't exempt from the rule but rather because they still have bigger roles to fulfill, they are expected to live longer than others.

Besides, about Mayuri, despite his evilness and vile depiction in the ishida fight, has quite some fandom in Japan, he was portrayed in a light- hearted manner in Bleach colorful omakes and Kubo himself has admitted that he likes to draw his character.

But in Bleach, characters who no longer have a role to play in the series and characters who still have a role/story to tell are treated the same. [/B]. This is where his mistake IMO lies.

Their lives have been toyed like a joke and unfortunately, that comes at the expense of their characters, which is why i am objecting to this unnecessary display of violence.

In Berserk, everyone can die with the exception of those three(Caska/Gutts and Griffith)...they're not exempt from the death rule, but its obvious that because they have bigger roles to play, they are well-protected in the manga till they serve the roles the mangaka intends.

[debbiechan]

I for one do not want Bleach to turn into Bezerk. Let everybody, ghost, Hollow, Shinigami, suffer and be transformed. Death is ironic in Bleach. I like it that way.

Ag, my love, I must agree with Ileenka that Ichigo is the first one who comes to mind when I think "should be dead several times over"---I mean, despite the fact that Urahara killed him and so he IS dead.

Jasse, to be realistic, Uryuu still has two hours to bleed to death. He's alive.
He's going to stay that way too.... Kubo will get him out of this. Ishida's never suffered worse injuries but as far as Bleach injuries go, his aren't really that bad. Szayel made sure he didn't give our boy anything immediately fatal.

[Jasse]

I for one do not want Bleach to turn into Bezerk. Let everybody, ghost, Hollow, Shinigami, suffer and be transformed. Death is ironic in Bleach. I like it that way.

Ag, my love, I must agree with Ileenka that Ichigo is the first one who comes to mind when I think "should be dead several times over"---I mean, despite the fact that Urahara killed him and so he IS dead.

Jasse, to be realistic, Uryuu still has two hours to bleed to death. He's alive.
He's going to stay that way too.... Kubo will get him out of this. Ishida's never suffered worse injuries but as far as Bleach injuries go, his aren't really that bad. Szayel made sure he didn't give our boy anything immediately fatal.

That was black humor on my behalf.

but seriously,

Kubo should stop toying with his character lives like that. He should either make the fight/injuries within the realms of reason(and lately some injuries are too much even by Bleach standards, or NOT put them in these omg impossible situations and create some false drama, remember Nel crying before Grimmjaw came anyone?

[hello1993]

4 me Ichigo should already died long ago~~~~...all thanks to his Rukia saving his life~_~

[Isuzu ♥]

I would be really sad if anyone died...so no one, please. ;____;

[Miyona]

I lot of people are probably gonna die in the Winter...

-White haired guy...
-Yamamoto...
-Byakuya (to join his dead wife :cry)
-Yoruchi and Urahara probably...
-Isshin...
-Mayuri...

Probably some Vaizards...

[hello1993]

I lot of people are probably gonna die in the Winter...

-White haired guy...
-Yamamoto...
-Byakuya (to join his dead wife :cry)
-Yoruchi and Urahara probably...
-Isshin...
-Mayuri...

Probably some Vaizards...

:eek:Byakuya will die:eek: no way!:cry
and if Isshin will die... what will happen to Ichigo's sisters:confused:
maybe they will blame Ichigo for their father's death:(
~I still can't imagine that Isshin will die~

[kiriya]

Based on my logic and forgetting the part of fans, a lot of characters should be dead, ichigo should be dead, renji and hitsugaya really should be dead, both of them must have the river of segovia as a circulatory system because damm...by the times and ways they have been owned o____o..
characters that i could see dying in bleach...tousen, maybe gin(i hope hot T_T), if ukitake is not another evil character(i have my doubts about him sometimes, since when you go to ss all your diseases are cured, and he has tuberculosis)maybe he..

ileenka spreads the orihime hatred xD

[the_cobbinator]

I don't recall how Ganju got so hurt so I don't know.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/788/mangarainbleachch11638by6.png
Love,
Byakuya ^^
**********

On topic, nobody dies in Bleach so no worries, because hitting any of the body vital spots of one's body is most likely forbidden. People that should certainly be dead (not that I WISH them to be) IMO are:

Ichigo: Too bad he is the main character. He got slashed so bad ever since Byakuya raped him from behind it's ridiculous. Not to mention what Aizen did to him.

Hunamori & Hitsugaya: They both got hit directly by Aizen's Kyoka Suigetsu.

Rukia: Her body got pierced by a giant trident, for fu*ks sake.

Renji: Chire, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi. Probably most gruesome demonstration of being owned in entire Bleach yet he could actually stand up and fight (tried at least).

Byakuya: He actually got hit in the chest DIRECTLY after taking hits from Ogichi by Aizen's right hand man. I have NO idea whatsoever how one could survive that.

Thosea re top 5, there is loads more, especially in the latest manga chapters (Ishida being one).

I do expect casualties in the Winter War (if it will even happen), but it's ridiculous to think that Bleach characters would start dying after being perfectly fine going through all they did.

[lookingback7]

Hi All! This is a fascinating thread.

I'm new to the Bleach fandom and a couple of weeks ago I made it my mission to pretty much read the whole manga series (of course I skimmed a lot).

I have to agree that this is a character driven 'plot'. Kubo Tite relies on his strongest talent - his stunning artistic ability and his understaning of how to portray expression and motion, both overtly and subtlety - to keep his audience enthralled. And damn, he's good at it.

In the past I've only ever been a fan of the more realistic type plots in manga and anime but Bleach is special - as we all know. ;) It's true, pretty much everyone should be dead by now and sometimes it makes me chuckle. If I wanted to get poetic I could draw some correlations between the fact the whole plot revolves around the theme of death and rebirth, but frankly I think it would just be making excuses.

I do wonder if a bunch of arrancar are about to bite the dust. I don't really want that to happen because they're so interesting. Isn't it amazing how even though these guys are written as uncompromising and nasty villains, we still love them? There goes Kubo's awesome characterizations again!

But seriously, I think some arrancar are going to be sent back to hollow land or whereever it is they come from. Or am I wrong? You guys know the manga a lot better than me.

:)

[Agmaster]

Ileenka; I see your point, and accept the logic behind it. Manga especially in Shounen Jump are catered to the fans. Hows and ever I was saying to look at this series in a vacuum of sorts. As if fan influence had no tangible effect on the stories progression.

An argument for Orihime living is simply that conflict was meant to show that not all Hollows are bad, emotional development and whatnot.
Offensive? Hardly. Incomplete in it's form? Maybe.

And come now debs? Ichigo? Main characters just don't die. It's like big name starts dying early in blockbusters. That's just the way the world works. He is protected. Of course in this series, mostly eveeryone is protected if Ichigo doesn't have disdain for them, but my point stands.

..the Arrancar are in hollow land....in fact the humans and Shinigami are..breaking the rules, trespassing.

[lookingback7]

.the Arrancar are in hollow land....in fact the humans and Shinigami are..breaking the rules, trespassing.


So how do they "die" and where do they go? Do they go back to being lesser hollows?

[rei_ai]

It should be Grimmjaw.

I don't expect him to be reborn as a 'good guy' and join Ichigo's side after he was saved by him.

[Zomari Le Roux]

Ichigo - Stabbed twice through the chest by Byakuya and lost a shit load of blood. Cut up really bad when he fought Kenpachi. Major wound re-opened by Yoruichi. Almost cut in half by Aizen. Yeah, main character or not, he should be dead.

Renji - He's taken more ass whoopings than Ichigo. He should be deader than a door nail right now.

Hitsugaya - I'm not only saying this because I hate him, but he also got his ass handed to him by Aizen.

[Orihime-Chan]

Ichigo. How many times was he hacked, stabbed and left to bleed!?

[Orihime]

Momo - I like her, but still....XD How long did she lie on the ground?

[Bleu]

Byakuya should stay alive because hes adorable and it would ruin the byakuya fangirl ecosystem.

I think that if anyone should die it should be Rangiku. i love her character, but if gin saw her die, i think it would open up his eyes (literally)

[blackluster]

Grimmjow should be dead and shouldn't make a return. I think that the plot can be advanced without him. Hinamori should also not have survived. It would've certainly turned Hitsugaya into a darker character.

[ZarakiKenpachi]

my god after all there injuries they all should me dead

specally ganju after buyakua went ape shit on him

[sokidan]

hinamori ofcourse

[Alphonse]

How about Orihime? Sounds okay to me....or any other character.

[Zomari Le Roux]

How about Orihime? Sounds okay to me....or any other character.

Orihime hasn't been in battle enough to have the chance to be killed. Besides, I doubt Aizen would let anybody kill her seeing as he needs her to complete his plans.

[WatanukiXXX]

hmm...

Ichigo
Ishida
Renji
Hitsugaya
Kenpachi
Byakuya
Hinamori
Ganju
Chad
Komamura

off the top of my head

[Velius]

It's safe to say, that no matter how serious the injury is, nobody ever dies in Bleach.
Tell that to the former number nine espada.

hmm...

Ichigo
Ishida
Renji
Hitsugaya
Kenpachi
Byakuya
Hinamori
Ganju
Chad
Komamura

off the top of my head
If you are going that far, might as well include everyone who has ever been in a fight in bleach, ever. The tides of battle could quickly change if someone would have come in owned that guys face, ect ect. Just curious where is the most obvoius one, that being Rukia? She should be at the top of that list.

[WatanukiXXX]

LOL i forgot about her!

yeah add Rukia too

and yes I took the title of the thread at face value. if I wanted to say which character i think should be dead than i'd have gone on and on and come up with one or two names mainly beginning with Hitsugaya and ending with Hinamori :D

[Saffire]

Syn nearly killed me the time I suggested Rukia should die, but I still think it would have been good for the story had it happened. Kubo probably wouldn't have survived the week afterwards, but if he could dodge the hit squads it would have made a good story. Her and Hinamori are the two that I could have really seen dying for the sake of the story, everyone else is probably more valuable alive.

[Velius]

People tend to mix the two of, who should be dead and who do you think should die. They are not the same. This is asking who should be dead, by any normal circumstances. Rukia was impaled in 3 different spots, 2 of them critical. No one laying there for any amount of time would survive that. And Renji has lost more then a underground pools worth of blood, sometimes in one fight. lol.

[Texhnolyze]

Rukia
Byakuya

Both magically lived after taking critical hits.

[Enth]

Hinamori should have died when Aizen stabbed her, and Ganju should have died when Byakuya Senbonzakura'd him.

[Jasse]

Hinamori should have died when Aizen stabbed her, and Ganju should have died when Byakuya Senbonzakura'd him.

Kubo can't that risk(killing Ganju) that is. Atleast, not before Rukia clears her guilt before the Shiba family.At that time, she was still angsting about Kaien.

Byakuya killing Ganju at that particular time and by a Kuchika hands nonetheless would have made reconciliation between Rukia and the Shibas almost impossible. Rhe relationships between the two families are already bad as it is.

Killing Mayuri would have made Ishida at odds with SS and Yama. Rukia rescue goal would have also been engendered if one of the Ryokas she was associated with (and whom by chance are also accused of killing Aizen) just killed another captain. Its another risk Kubo can't take.

Kubo knows his story better. I just hope he doesn't keep being brutal with the characters like that-especially if he does not want to kill them at the very time- IMO.

[♠ Saint ♠]

Seriously! No one has died in Bleach (save for evil bad guys). Who is most hated and needs to seriously be put 6 feet under?

Me? I say Orihime and Marechiyo.

[Shdo]

Marechiyo? who?

[♠ Saint ♠]

2nd Division lieutenant. The bug guy that doesn't do jack and got his rank through family connections.

[CaveManJoe]

Might be a dumb question but what happens to a shinigami when (s)he dies? Do they just cease to exist? Do they go to HM? I thought souls were reborn in the SS, so what happens if someone dies in the SS?

[Rain]

semi-similar thread here: Who in Bleach Should be Dead (http://www.bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?t=1582)


I think Yamamoto should die, and some of the other captains

I don't care who, but a few need to die

[♠ Saint ♠]

semi-similar thread here: Who in Bleach Should be Dead (http://www.bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?t=1582)


I think Yamamoto should die, and some of the other captains

I don't care who, but a few need to die

... I even looked around before posting this here. I figured the General area would cover bothe anime and manga characters.

[♠ Saint ♠]

Whoa, they merged the threads. o.o BEHOLD! We have witnessed an Act of MOD!:zomg

*bows down* And I apologize for not finding that other thread. But at least the other thread now has a poll. :flirt

[Orihime Aizen]

Kubo needs to kill some good guys. Bottom line. I think Ikkaku is our first casualty. Whether or not he kills mains, I don't know if he'll go down the road Kishi did, but he's also got to show us more than shoulder cuts in this war.

[Kolbertt]

OK - Many of the posts were plain flaming ;)

If you want to discuss who should be dead, it's OK. But saying who should DIE, more when it comes with a barrage of insults, is just flaming.

Continue with the discussion ;)

[Revan1990]

cant belive I never noticed this thread...or at least I dont remember replying lol
so here's my list:

Inoue!
Chad
The Fat 2nd Division VC
The gay 1. divsion VC
Hinamori Momo
Yammamoto
Soi Fong
Komamura
...and I cant think of more right now, but there are definitley a few other stupid characters

[Shdo]

hinamori? but she is hitsugaya girlfriend and you are a fanboy.

[Revan1990]

ok...first of all I am not a fanboy!!...stop calling me that!
just because he's one of my fav characters?

and Hinamori is completly useless and above all she's dumb(imo), so she should die soon. Who cares if she's hitsugayas girlfriend, uselss is useless

[Shdo]

hmm...maybe you want him for yourself?


*takes out popcorn and watch revan squirm with anger*

[Revan1990]

hmm or maybe you are only jealous, cuz you cant have hitsugaya for yourself...now it makes sense
(btw what happend to your "Which character should die"-list? I remeber it was pretty long)

*takes out popcorn and sits infornt of shdo* what are you waiting for?

[Shdo]

kolbert took it out...:(

[ch1mera]

A bunch of them....

Oomaeda
Rukia
Hinamori
Ganju
Mayuri
Ichigo
Ishida
Hitsugaya
Renji
Yamamoto

[Rain]

Saint- the thread was really buried, it would be almost impossible to find if you didn't know it was there:hug


and to make sure my last post isn't considering flaming, ill explain


I think Yamamoto should die just because it would represent the changing of ideas, he seems so set in an old way of thinking, and whether he is or not, I feel that needs to change

the smae with some of the other captains

They need to die just so SS can actually change for the better


but I don't think any of them specificially deserve to die:cookie

[H!Mandy]

omg, hating thread XD

I think I'd cry if Rukia died.. ;__;

Ichi can't die, he's the main character...even if he gets his head chopped off, he'll somehow manage to survive :lmao
Inoue powers maybe?

I wish I could've voted, but I just found this thread...

if it's about character development/relevance to the plot, and not 'I hate him, kill him ò.ó'

I'd say...

Old Man Yama

I think Yamamoto should die just because it would represent the changing of ideas, he seems so set in an old way of thinking, and whether he is or not, I feel that needs to change


:wtf precisely :yay

I dislike him, really, and even if he is super strong, he's hell old, and SS could use a new commander, that actually does something, instead of fighting his own pupils when the real bad guys are out there

Komamura could die fighting Tousen, no problem...

They all deserve to die~ (I've been watching too much Sweeney Todd :lmao)

actually, I don't think KT will kill his main/very popular characters =/

(read the last chapter? :D)

but having the good guys losing is a good start =D

I don't want Ikkaku to die >__<

who else is on the list? oh yeah, I totally see Omaeda dying >D

Inoue has grown useless imo, sorry to those who like her ;/

[Fyrefox]

Eh. Rukia doesn't need to die. Mostly because it's either her or Inoue, and Rukia has already had her go at it several times. (Yet they never work. Does anyone else think of roaches when I say this?)

Chad can't die, he and Ichigo are probably gonna have to fight before the series ends, at least.

Omaeda, Hitsugaya, and Hinamori at the very least. I may add more to that later.

[gigantor21]

Renji, because he's done next to nothing of consequence since his fight with Byakuya. I don't get why he's still around.

Ishida, same reason. Just switch "Byakuya" with "Mayuri" and it fits rather neatly.

Orihime, because her very existence is deus-ex, and because she's been reduced to a medkit with tits--unable to do anything on her own besides healing and getting kidnapped, both in and out of battle.

Hinamori, who has yet to prove there was any reason she survived besides fan service.
If he's just going to become a Vegeta-type convert, then I'll throw in Grimmjow no matter how much it hurts me personally. Ichigo's group has enough useless fan-driven appendages.

We'll need a few deaths one both sides once the Espada fights start. I predict the captains' whose full powers we've seen--Komamura, Hitsu and Tousen--will at the top of the list. Those who've been in full fights but haven't gone all out, like Soifon and the Old Guard, are still safe IMO.

[Orihime Aizen]

I think Yamamoto should die just because it would represent the changing of ideas, he seems so set in an old way of thinking, and whether he is or not, I feel that needs to change

the smae with some of the other captains

They need to die just so SS can actually change for the better


but I don't think any of them specificially deserve to die:cookie

Absofreakinlutely! Well said! Soul Society can not come out of this war completely unscathed. Yama-jii's time has passed so he should pass on, as well as a few others. It seems like arrancars come out of the woodwork and die, but we don't give a crap because it's almost like they are disposable diapers. The story needs a death and maybe a few deaths that as going to force SS to change into a better place and will also spark the next level power ups. We need a death we can actually mourn and care about. (And No, Szayel doesn't count) :D

[Budo]

I wanna see Orihime die a slow, gruesome death.

[ch1mera]

Wow... Very harsh, don´t you think? If I follow that logic, then a bunch of people should be dead by now.. but whatever >.>

-------
Maybe Yama-jii because like others said, SS needs a change and it´s not with the old man still alive that this will be possible. So, yeah, give the place to another person.

[cool_inuyasha_g]

I hate Chad, he annoys me so much, he's just so useless (and he never seems to win) I wouldn't mind if they got rid of him, we don't really see him anyway. As a Hitsugaya fan I wouldn't want to see him or Matsumoto die, although Hinamori probably will at some point (if not she'll go join Aizen, whoever said before she doesn't have purpose, I wouldn't underestimate Kubo like that).

[Gurimujo]

I'll probably get negged for this, but I think Rukia should be after all the times her life's been in danger. If anything else happens to her now, it'll just be redundant I think. Ichigo should be by that logic too, though.

I agree with Ch1 and Rain about Yamamoto for the whole change idea. Reminds me of Obama. :p

[Syn]

Rukia has still moves to show; she won't die. Beside, the very fact that she lives is too much important for Ichigo, so she won't die :lmao She's, to simply put it, the token that he *can* protect.

About Yama, although I *do* agree that he should die (probably not too soon though, we still have his bankai to see and probably loads of moves since the guy is insanely old), it's mostly because SS needs a change. And to those who say that only because they hate him and think he does nothing, well, dudes, NO ONE in Bleach has the GUTS tod take the decisions that he takes. He's a Commander, he does not take the decisions that he likes the most, but those that *must* be taken. Just look at Ikkaku right now; he took the decision he liked the most and thanks to him, he's endangered everyone. He should have take the decision that must have been taken to save everyone. To me, although I do like Ikkaku, he's more a pansy than Yama.

@gigantor, because his post was interesting:
About Renji... I've been wondering for a while if Kubo was going to kill him because he showed nothing new. Not only that, but his character is really stagnant too, so it's hard to see what Kubo wants to do with him. My guess is that if one of the main cast must die, it should be him. However, I don't think Kubo will have the guts to kill him :D

As for Ishida, I think he still has a lot of progression to do. He showed something new and amongst the main cast, he's one of the two who thinks the most and do strategy (the other being Rukia). He still has to learn for what he'd step on his pride too. Ishida's character is evolving, and he did have a win in the HM arc.

For Inoue, if I don't see her dying, yes, I can see what you mean; but I think that maybe if she accepted the realities around her more, her powers would be weakened - just enough to not make her a deus ex-machina anymore. Then, it'd be fine.

As for Hinamori, I always wondered if she should have died back then :XD I don't really know what Kubo wants to do with her, but my guess is that she still has things to settle with Aizen - either that or trying to protect him.

For the captains, even though we know the bankais of those, I think they're far from dead; Kubo can always add a new move to their bankai. I still think Komamura's bankai is shitty though, and that's my opinion :D Storyline-wise, as I said, the one that would make the most sense is Yamamoto, but then, who would have his guts?

[spacecat]

Ok seems this thread became the bashing thread again. I'm gonna leave the bashers posts as proof of why I'm closing this thing once and for all. It isn't the who do you personally hate and want dead thread it's the who SHOULD be dead. As in who techinically couldn't have recovered from wounds recieved etc. Enough warnings though *closes* If bashing comments get neg repped I don't wanna hear your complaints via pm, you know it pisses people off.