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Geta Boshi
06-22-2007, 02:00 AM
In terms of Power not sheer numbers . Pick the strongest from the group and decide : D

Shinrin
06-22-2007, 06:52 AM
I'd say the Royal Guards, with the Espada as no. 2

Syn
06-22-2007, 06:54 AM
I miss the option: I can't erally chose. Lol. Because, undoubtely, I can't chose! I mean, it's not like we saw their power... heck, we don't even know the royal guards so... oO

NeoSapien
06-22-2007, 06:59 AM
The Espada, because the bad guys need to be the strongest until the heros beat them.

If the Royal Guard were the strongest, then Aizen's forces would get wipd out as soon as he got into the Royal Dimension. That would be boring.

Slev
06-22-2007, 07:08 AM
I'm guessing we are grouping Aizen and co. with the Espada, so definitely them. They wouldn't be very great villains in a fighting shounen manga if the Royal Guard is going to take them out :o

Riekie
06-22-2007, 08:21 AM
I'll go with the Espada as well. Not because they are the bad guys but because the bad guys are always stronger than the good guys in the beginning. it will soon change that the good guys become stronger but for now it's the Espada, atleast that's MHO

spacecat
06-22-2007, 08:23 AM
I voted espada but I'd say vaizard are pretty equal with them. I have no idea about the royal guard.

juunana
06-22-2007, 08:41 AM
Voted for the espada...I really have no idea though as we haven't had anything to go on for some of these groups.^^

Spike
06-22-2007, 11:49 AM
Since we lack information I'm going with the group I like the most which is the Vaizards.

SBJ220
06-22-2007, 12:36 PM
Considering we don't know a lot about nay number of these groups, I have to go with pure logic. The royal guard would not be so if they weren't uber powerful. I think the Vizard come a decent second. As for the Espada... I think it's more a matter of Aizen having an unlimited supply of replacements that makes them strong. Yes, we've only seen two of three fall so far, but I just don't think they're all that powerful. Aizen could wipe the slate clean and place 10 completely fresh faces into the mix. I say RG, VZ, ESP, SH, QC. In that order.

Gothic Lolita
06-22-2007, 12:39 PM
Vizard got my vote. Shinji's power rly amazed me, and so far non of them lost a battle. unless i skipped a chapter. >_>

Shannon
06-22-2007, 12:58 PM
Royal Guards because they seem intimidating.

Kojy
06-22-2007, 01:06 PM
I vote The Espada, since they're the currently stronger group in Bleach :p

Gintoki
06-22-2007, 02:33 PM
Well i guess it's the Vizard, since they have Ichigo. So there's atleast 1 person to beat alle the other guys up.

Geta Boshi
06-22-2007, 02:58 PM
Gin Aizen and Tosen are shingamis or already converted into Vizards .

Shinrin
06-22-2007, 03:22 PM
This is still up in the air, but i'd say Isshin is likely related to the Royal guards in some way.


The Espada should generally be stronger then the Vaizards, else it would make the hougyoku seem meningless.
Since the espada is the top results of the hougyoku which is supposed to make near perfect hybrids... i don't see how the vaizards shold be stronger.

HELLA PINOY
06-22-2007, 04:54 PM
Royal Guards because it was rumoured they were once the personal body guards of Chuck Norris. He had no need for them so he roundhouse kicked them into another dimension...thus starting the Bleach series :D

Velius
06-23-2007, 12:35 AM
Man, we just lack so much info, it's really hard to make any kind of fact based call. I'm going to have to go with the oldest group, the Shinigamis. Their top guys would wipe the floor with the top guys of any other group IMO. There is just so many factors that come into fights, it's really hard to tell sometimes.

hyiceme
06-24-2007, 06:17 AM
can't choose between Vizards and Royal Guards. What if Royal Guards are Vizards too?

speedphantom
06-24-2007, 08:03 AM
That's a tough question. In the end it will be Ichigo beating everyone so that would be the vaizards and shinigami hollow hybrids.

Shinigami like Yamamoto, Shunsui and Ukitake I'd guess, wouldn't have much trouble against the espada. There would be some kinda loophole or some golden rule making shinigami have some sort of advantage over the hybrids.

Nell
06-25-2007, 04:59 PM
Voted for Shinigami. Since Aizen an his. co are technically shinigamis and there will be always Yamajii, Urahara and Isshin (and Ichigo at some point) that I have trouble at seeing they are being surpassed by others. I feel like the real battle is in between the top shinagamis. Visords and Espadas are strong and they are matches for each other but still I don't think they'd be able to beat the ones I mentioned.

As for Royal Guards, it's still to soon to say a thing, so I don't make any predictions XD

Byakuya
07-02-2007, 07:09 PM
I voted Shinigami.. :3

Griffith
07-03-2007, 07:58 PM
I'm going with the vaizards, which would probably count Aizen since he is planning on gaining hollow powers. The most powerful characters seem to point to hybridization. We have yet to see Shinji use Shikai nor bankai(which he probally has) add that with his mask he will be pretty unstoppable.

Nocturne
07-04-2007, 04:46 AM
I voted Vizard 'cause you know, Ichigo is one and by shounen law he's the strongest so there. :D

Beee
07-06-2007, 08:05 PM
I'd say there's a tie between Arrankar and Vizards, as they have "limitless potential" unlike normal shinigami and normal hollows who would eventually hit a ceiling and thus having a "maximum powel level". I think we should've put "Arrankar instead of Espada" though since Espada is pretty much the group formed with the strongest arrankars.

then I'd say it would be Shinigami/Hollows/Quincy being tied. As for royal guards, I think they're shinigami too, but just with a special title or something.

Sola
07-06-2007, 08:19 PM
1) Royal Guard
2) Espada
3) Vaizard
4) Shinigami
5) Quincy

ForteAnly
07-10-2007, 11:38 PM
I think that the Royal Guard must be very stong if they guard the king. They all could be former Shinigami Captains who like Aizen mastered all forms of combat.

AnimeGirlPan
07-11-2007, 04:17 AM
I voted for the Shinigami but the Vaizards and Espada are pretty powerful too

NightMare
07-12-2007, 04:34 PM
Espada Vizard Shinigami

taicho
07-12-2007, 09:47 PM
i am for shinigami (because of aizen even though if he uses the orb on himself would make him a vizard)

Rain
07-15-2007, 03:02 PM
Espada all the way. Based on average power they outclass the quincy, shinigami and vaizard.

Avi
07-15-2007, 05:12 PM
Vizard, and then the Royal Gaurds.

aznxenocide
07-15-2007, 05:48 PM
I don't know how powerful the Vaizard actually are, in comparison to the Espada....but still, something in my gut just tells me they're going to kick ass. :p

Primera Espada
07-16-2007, 02:01 AM
We do know the following:

Hachi's kidoh was completely ineffective against Ichigo as he started going hollow.
Hiyori's hollow mask was completely ineffective against SHIKAI hollow Ichigo's BARE HANDS.
Lisa was afraid of dying against hollow Ichigo.
Love was forced to use his mask in order to not die from the Cero Hollow bankai ichigo was using.
Kensei did an allright job against hollow Ichigo.

From what we can discern, most of the vaizards are probably weaker than vaizard Ichigo. However that doesn't mean they can't still be captain level. But the odds of them being the strongest group overall is pretty low. Especially given that espada 6 is pretty much on par with hollow bankai ichigo, and given the difference in power we see with each rank, there's a high liklihood that 1-4 are stronger than ANY of the vaizards.

LivingHitokiri
07-16-2007, 02:10 AM
Vaizard for me XD

Shirosaki
07-16-2007, 02:15 AM
vizard also

aznxenocide
07-16-2007, 02:17 AM
We do know the following:

Hachi's kidoh was completely ineffective against Ichigo as he started going hollow.
Hiyori's hollow mask was completely ineffective against SHIKAI hollow Ichigo's BARE HANDS.
Lisa was afraid of dying against hollow Ichigo.
Love was forced to use his mask in order to not die from the Cero Hollow bankai ichigo was using.
Kensei did an allright job against hollow Ichigo.

From what we can discern, most of the vaizards are probably weaker than vaizard Ichigo. However that doesn't mean they can't still be captain level. But the odds of them being the strongest group overall is pretty low. Especially given that espada 6 is pretty much on par with hollow bankai ichigo, and given the difference in power we see with each rank, there's a high liklihood that 1-4 are stronger than ANY of the vaizards.

You mean...hollow Ichigo, right?

And remember when Ulquiorra almost faced hollow Ichigo? He was just as stunned as the Vaizards, albeit much more calm.

Primera Espada
07-16-2007, 02:33 AM
No, I meant vaizard Ichigo, but I can see why you thought I meant hollow Ichigo, I jumped a step there.

since hollow Ichigo was slowly changing in power, it was impossible to gauge what his power was, so I used vaizard ichigo (meaning vaizard bankai ichigo) as a point of reference, since his power was stable, and possibly stronger than what we saw him while becoming a hollow against the vaizards.

And Ulquiorra was stunned because Ichigo was showing power on par (stronger, actually) to him (I presume his unreleased form, meaning the power Ichigo is showing right now). Even if you assume he was referring to his release form, that still means 3 of the Espada are stronger than all the vaizards o.O

Air
07-16-2007, 10:01 PM
Shinigami are the strongest.

The Espada are not enough, or Aizen will not bother searching for vastorodes. Maybe when they'll be completed.

Vaizards seems powerful.. but there are just 9 of them.
- Hacchi & Mashiro, who doesn't seems the tipical combat-type.
They can't be strong as the whole shinigami or arrancars.

And, for all we know, the Royal Guard are still shinigami :D


If we must choose only the best in each group,
I still think Yama-jii is the strongest overall.

Velius
07-16-2007, 10:36 PM
Nothing wrong with going a little bit into why you choose your groups guys. I know, one more sentence, how dare I. XD j/k. But a lot the recent ones are pretty much spam. :/

~Vel

Agmaster
07-17-2007, 04:05 PM
Vaizards.

A; Ichigo's one (a special one true, but whatev)
B; Eccentricism has always been a close friend to power.
C; If Aizen/Gin/Tousen convert, they will be overpowered, and by the definitions stated in Bleach, they will be Vaizards.
D; Masks are the best part of hollows, Arrancar just assed up by breaking it.
E; I'm surprised I got past reason number A, just felt like sharing that.
F; Now I'm just really padding my post to procrastinate going back to work.
G; Vaizards are limitless like the Arrancar, but have more skill/rationale to climb the mountain as opposed to mostly instinct the Arrancar possess.

SPLENDiD 0NE
07-18-2007, 01:36 PM
:love :love i say vaizards becuz they appear really cool and strong :cool:
and also becuz of there numbers , but that wouldnt count here i guess :D

wakeskater
07-22-2007, 04:59 AM
i would say the vaizard, personally i dont think we've seen shinji (which is used as the base for choosing) up against ichigo, who definitely has alot of power, but on the other hand, have we seen a vaizard other than ichigo who goes bankai first and then hollow form? its been a while since those chapters but i dont think we have, that might give ichigo a power adv over some, but i still think shinji would pwn ichigo and the top espada if he felt like it

ForteAnly
07-24-2007, 07:39 PM
The strongest types are either Arrancar Vasto Lorde level hollows or Vaizards with Bankai. Aizen can already put a Espada Level arrancar on his knees with his spiritual pressure alone imagine what he could once he becomes a Vaizard.:eek:

Loose Canon
09-03-2008, 06:50 AM
At this point, I'd have to say the vaizard, though I'm still waiting for a *confirmed* sighting of a Vasto Lorde. :)

This was a tough decision, though -- I almost chose Espada (partly because they're waaaaaay cooler dressers:cool: ). But, as badass as the Espada seem to be, especially the top 4, they are still hollows at heart. When the pressure's on, I personally think the rabid-animal instinct of a killing machine kicks in, and no rabid thing can last long without the cool and calm use of a warrior's greatest weapon -- their brain (even Ichigo uses his every now and then........ doesn't he? :lmao).

That's where the Vaizards have the edge -- they crushed their insane hollows down into the very cores of their soul, riding them around like the little horsies they are, while still maintaining full control of their faculties.

So... yeah. Vaizards, IMO. :D

Spartan27
09-03-2008, 07:15 AM
It's probably the Vizards, I mean you have a bunch of experienced captains and VCs that then get an almost Ichigo like powerup, so I think they would have to be the strongest, especially if you include Ichigo, though he says that he isn't with the Vizards. I would like to say the Espada, but they seem to let everyone down every time they come into play, I mean at least kill one shinigami!

鬼鬼
09-04-2008, 07:53 AM
I would say the Espadas.

They have ass-kicking abilities, but somehow most of them fought with shinigamis with abilities that coincidentally happen to be exactly what is needed to counter theirs.

Shdo
09-04-2008, 08:05 AM
espada, its not their fault TK suck in creating logical fights and preffer to resort to plotkais for over a year.

Eloni
09-04-2008, 02:57 PM
Since we don't know a thing about the Royal Guard I go with Vaizard.:D

Southwind
09-04-2008, 03:06 PM
Hmm, although I know nothing about them, I go for the Royal Guards! There's always a bigger fish!

Orihime-Chan
09-04-2008, 06:38 PM
In terms of power I'd say the Vizard. they got it all.

Vordark Kisuke
09-04-2008, 06:45 PM
i'd say they r all even... the winning side are by all mean was lucky

gigantor21
09-04-2008, 11:08 PM
In theory, it should be the Vaizards. But I put Shinigami because they're strongest in practice. ;)

Abigail
09-16-2008, 03:14 PM
They were all absolutely powerful. But in the end I still chose shinigami...

SightUnseen
09-16-2008, 04:10 PM
I think there are various Levels of strength in each group. But my guess is that the Royal Guard just might be the strongest overall

Darkhole
09-16-2008, 05:48 PM
Aren't the Shinigami and the Royal Guard the same thing? The rest r completely different races. Anyways, seeing as how arguably the 2 most powerful characters in bleach r both shinigami, Aizen and Yamamoto, I'd have to say Shinigami.

emoloz
09-16-2008, 07:11 PM
haha i never voted in this either royal guard or vizard from what i see now.

SightUnseen
09-16-2008, 07:34 PM
Aren't the Shinigami and the Royal Guard the same thing? The rest r completely different races. Anyways, seeing as how arguably the 2 most powerful characters in bleach r both shinigami, Aizen and Yamamoto, I'd have to say Shinigami.

The Royal guard are Shinigami, but I'm assuming that their reiastu and combat ability are stronger than a normal captain in the Gotei 13. Aizen is at least 5 times more powerful that a captain, but he won't have done what he's done thus far if he felt he could take them on.

Rain
09-16-2008, 07:38 PM
Aren't the Shinigami and the Royal Guard the same thing? The rest r completely different races. Anyways, seeing as how arguably the 2 most powerful characters in bleach r both shinigami, Aizen and Yamamoto, I'd have to say Shinigami.

yeah, but it says espada up there, when in a sense it should say arrancar

its not about the race, but rather, the group itself

so on average the royal guard is better than the shinigami, because they are more elite

just like captains compared to vice captains

SpamCannon
09-16-2008, 08:31 PM
Honestly, I say Vizard, yet I can't help but think that shinji isn't the strongest of the vizards... my vote goes to Kensei

Lady Orihime
09-17-2008, 05:23 AM
I'm going to go with the Vizards. They have the powers of both Shinigami and Espada's, in a nutshell.

Godofwar_22
09-17-2008, 05:55 AM
I voted vaizards because they have 8 members who are all well above captain level. I think that the royal guard shouldn't have been included as a choice because we don't know what their capable of.

DarkPulsar
09-17-2008, 08:53 AM
I voted Vizard. I guess I'd say shinigami if Aizen/Gin/Tousen are technically still considered them, but meh. The way the captains have taken down the espada sans effort kinda make me think not them. Dunno anything about the royal guard yet.

IchimaruGin
09-22-2008, 01:29 PM
vizards i guess. considering how shinji beat grimmjow. vizards are improved versions of shinigamis so no question there. royal guard, yet to see any. Question: Why were there no royal guards defending the transfer of the King's Key in Diamond Dust Rebellion? doesn't make sense.

P/S- Quincys are lame

sacrifice4
09-22-2008, 01:47 PM
The Royal Guard is filled with Captains, and really strong ones tho. I don't know much about it, but I'm sure they'll be hella strong. I take that as my #1.

Second, Vizard, along with the Espada. They both are pretty much equal. I think a captain level shinigami is pretty much on par with a vasto lorde arrancar. And a vice captain vizard with ann adjuchas arrancar.

For the rest, I think Shinigamis come after. They've proven to be strong and they've beaten the crap outta quincy's. If the quincy's were indeed stronger they would've been more populated.

evaric
09-22-2008, 03:02 PM
Vaizards, ftw. Hard to beat former captains with Hollow powers... unless there are more Espada to come. It's getting kinda hard to believe Stark, Barragan, Halibel, and Ulquiorra are the best things Hueco Mundo has to offer power-wise. Vasto Lordes non-Arrrancar'd were supposed to be captain level or above.

Amaranth
09-23-2008, 08:47 AM
Vizards, definitely. BECAUSE ILU SHINJI *3*

Well at first I was wondering whether the Vizards or Espada were stronger, cos both have Shinigami and hollow powers. But looking at how Shinji pwned the sexta espada, I'd say the Vizards are stronger :p

Furthermore, the Vizards are all around captain level.

Kastro187420
09-23-2008, 07:04 PM
I think the Shinigami have this one, for the simple fact that their is a HUGE number of shinigami, and many of them have the potential to become extremely powerful in their own right. Look at Aizen, for example. Everything seems to suggest that next to Yama, he's the strongest Shinigami there is. He 1 shotted 3 captain level opponents without breaking a sweat, put grimmjow on his knees with his spiritual pressure alone, and has a broken ass shikai. I could only Imagine his Bankai.

So with the Shinigami able to produce such strong and powerful people, it only stands to reason that they'd be at the top of the list. The Royal Guard kinda counts as Shinigami, because all of the Royal Guard are shinigami as far as we know, just exceptionally powerful ones.

IchimaruGin
09-26-2008, 01:13 PM
i think Aizen has hollow powers, so he shouldn't be categorised as shinigami.

chikmagnet7
09-30-2008, 11:02 PM
Story-wise, it's going to have to go 1. Espada 2. Royal Guard 3. Vizard 4. Shinigami 5. Quincy

Bleu
09-30-2008, 11:07 PM
i'd love to see orihime crack out tsubaki and alll the other little fairies to their full potential and show that she, is the real threat.

jelome1989
10-01-2008, 06:44 AM
right,
Vizard > shinigami


but im gonna go for Espada > Vizard

if hollow (VL) > shinigami (captain) then
espada (VL arrancar) > vizard (captain class vizard)

i'd love to see orihime crack out tsubaki and alll the other little fairies to their full potential and show that she, is the real threat.

ahahaha thats good
"Humans (Chad, Orihime)" should be added to the poll

IchiRuki143
10-01-2008, 07:06 AM
Can't choose. All of them are pretty strong. :headscratch