Las Noches: The Hueco Mundo FC

[Rain]

Thantos-Espada- welcome to the FC, let me guess, the character you made is thantos:p

well with the new chapter spoilers, it looks like szayel might finally die (although I like him more than some other espada). So who thinks he'll die, or will he somehow survivie once again

and of course, the next espada release we see better not look like crap (so far szayels is the only good one, along with nels:D)

[Rasziel]

Hey!! Grimmy was nice once you got used to him, I mean, he looked like a 70's rocker or something like that! (Sarcasm)

I (and my inner fanboy) think he will survive. Now, what happens in that chapter, it's hard to say. Szayel is an expert when it comes to near death experiences (see: Ishida's arrow, Sprenger, Cero sincronico and I think I'm forgetting something) He will survive, however, if Mayuri kills him or not during the chapter, it's hard to say...

Personally, I think he has a lot more to show (Unlike Zomari, who was just nothing) and killing him right now would be a mistake (Inner fanboy bias)

A lot of people hate Szayel because of how long his fight lasted. And I must agree that his fight got dragged for so much time (even though we skipped a lot of parts)- But now his fight is over. He has lost, all that remains is to see if he is dead or will perform a "Mayuri" escape- Ohhh the irony...

[WatanukiXXX]

Welcome Thantos :hug

A lot of people hate Szayel because of how long his fight lasted. And I must agree that his fight got dragged for so much time (even though we skipped a lot of parts)- But now his fight is over.

That was Kubo. His pacing (among other things) was way off during the latter part of this arc. Now he seems to be scrambling back, ending fights fast and furious. Perhaps irate fan mail or his editors finally got through to him :D

I also think Szayel will live and escape. He has one more ability and one more plot hook left. Leaving him either dead or in the clutches of Mayuri would be to give the SS all the advantages. They have bloodied the Espada, killed off a few of them and now have their main scientist as prisoner in a jar? What happened to heroes being the underdogs and triumphing against adversity?

And we also get a sense how long its been. Szayel says his fight with Renji and Ishida took about an hour. Imagine all these months condensed into an hour...horrible pacing by Kubo.

This means that if what Grimmjow states is true ("with his power it will probably hold him for 2-3 hours max", Ju-Ni, 278)

Ulquiorra could be showing up ohh in about an hour or two :o
Well after Nnoi has been beaten by Kenpachi...sigh

[stark espada]

Welcome Thantos :hug



That was Kubo. His pacing (among other things) was way off during the latter part of this arc. Now he seems to be scrambling back, ending fights fast and furious. Perhaps irate fan mail or his editors finally got through to him :D

I also think Szayel will live and escape. He has one more ability and one more plot hook left. Leaving him either dead or in the clutches of Mayuri would be to give the SS all the advantages. They have bloodied the Espada, killed off a few of them and now have their main scientist as prisoner in a jar? What happened to heroes being the underdogs and triumphing against adversity?

And we also get a sense how long its been. Szayel says his fight with Renji and Ishida took about an hour. Imagine all these months condensed into an hour...horrible pacing by Kubo.

This means that if what Grimmjow states is true ("with his power it will probably hold him for 2-3 hours max", Ju-Ni, 278)

Ulquiorra could be showing up ohh in about an hour or two :o
Well after Nnoi has been beaten by Kenpachi...sigh
yes thought in this weeks manga I used the song dust in the wind for that fight I agree if grantz is to die someone important will end up dieing would be a great loss for the espada thought he is mad he is the best of all the scientest there know someone such as yammy or Nnoitora will not be much of a great loss they will be more of a just ah they died kinda thing like Le roux's death was the ones who should not die is the top 4 and grantz out of all the espada that die

[Thantos-Espada]

sigh, i still don't wan't any of the Espada to die. the group of characters that differ inpersonality the most out of any other group.

Does agree with Stark - Nnoitra Jiruga should die because of... (just creeps me out tbh) and i don't think he plays a huge role other than to be the most weird member of espada. but at the end of the day the creators of the manga must be thinking of some clever plot as too why important people are dying.


It's all just a pile of nerve wracking endings and pulse raising storys. wouldn't be no fun if it was simple^^.

[Shadoblak]

I really hope Nnoitra doesn't die.........He's one of the most interesting Espada we've seen......The absolute most interesting in terms or character design...He refreshes me with his ruthlessness and its good that he doesn't make any excuses for beating up babies women and injured fighters :p Nnoitra is a douche, and thats refreshing...Cause he's a villain! Not some affeminate bishounen with rippling abs and a calms demeanor...I like Nnoitra :/ As much as I've come to like Grimmjow, theres really no reason for him to live anymore....He's of no use to the Espada, he's now somehow weaker than Ichigo, he's kinda useless to the story :(
Szayel is interesting but I think Kubo kind wore out his welcome :p we all need a break from Mr Grantz :p

[WatanukiXXX]

Much as I despise Nnoitra I don't want him to die either. The plotline with Nell hasn't been fully resolved and well, to have all three Espada die in their encounter with the Captains is just cheap and juvenile story telling :p

Grimmjow I can see Kubo rescuing him from the sands of Hueco Mundo. He'll probably be turned into the Arrancar equivalent of Renji, awesome at first but then later a complete failure.

never liked Grimmjow anyway...stupid Vegeta clone :yell

[Rain]

personally i don't want any espada to die (except for that damn old espada, he needs to die soon:mad:) they are such cool characters. But kubo ruins them (by having craptacular releases)

I guess as long as halibels release removes her top, exposing her:D doesn't look like a pumpin I should be fine

[Shadoblak]

Much as I despise Nnoitra I don't want him to die either. The plotline with Nell hasn't been fully resolved and well, to have all three Espada die in their encounter with the Captains is just cheap and juvenile story telling :p

Grimmjow I can see Kubo rescuing him from the sands of Hueco Mundo. He'll probably be turned into the Arrancar equivalent of Renji, awesome at first but then later a complete failure.

never liked Grimmjow anyway...stupid Vegeta clone :yell

I agree, Captains=Unbeatable=>Phail.
I used to hate Grimmjow but he grew on me...I just can' find any reason for him to live :/ He'd be awful as a VegetaRenji.... If Nnoitra has to die eventually, I'd rather it be by Nel. Maybe Nnoitra escapes the final battle and laughs at the arrancar and shinigami who were killed only to be cornered and killed by Nel....But thats out of character for her isn't it........

[lookingback7]

I love that idea Shadoblak. I think Nell will have plenty of reason to kill Nnoitra before this arc is over.

[Rain]

Puffy- who cares, shes really hot (as an adult):p

Shado- thats a good idea, so heres mine. Nnoitra and the old espada enter in a murder-suicide pack because they both suck

:eek: so violent, I wonder where I got all this hate for the old espada

[Thantos-Espada]

Nel is the former espada #3...


she's not overated >.<

alot like urahara she was a former member of the leading group of Hueco Mundo, and like urahara she is very strong. personaly her plot line with Nnoitra is pretty interesting.

tbh now that ive seen it begin to unravel i hope it has a good climax resulting in Nnoitra's death by nels hand but by doing this she has to sacrifice herself causing ichi to choose either killing aizen or saving her...

somthing like that would really add abitta spice to the storyline...


also i wanna see all the captain v's espada eps as soon as they come out...

considering both espada and captains are the 2 highest groups in each order...


and 3 of the cptains are missing so it woulda been a cool 10 V's 10 war...


of course with the help of ichigo the soul society has an unfair advantage... but the espada now have aizen ichimaru and tousen meaning that they too have an advantage...


what i wan't to know is weather the new film "the diamond dust rebelion" has anything to do with the weird changes in story line?

[lookingback7]

What the hell's wrong with the old espada? Ya hate him just because he's old and not pretty? or was it something he did?

Personally I hope he breaks bad and owns all their punk asses.

Actually - no. I wanna save that roll for Halibel.

[Thantos-Espada]

AAAHHHHH u murderer!

i wish i could see the whole war, you know as in like a huge army, espada at the from, vasto lordes behind then gillian and so on and so on...


and on the oposite side of the attle feild,all of the SS led by the 1o remaining captains then the leitenant's then the seats (of course ichigo at the very front cause hes always gotta be there)

i just think full on battle woulda looked cooler as a climax >.<

[WatanukiXXX]

posted by Shadoblak
Maybe Nnoitra escapes the final battle and laughs at the arrancar and shinigami who were killed only to be cornered and killed by Nel....But thats out of character for her isn't it........

Yeah. But maybe Peshe and Dondo Jack kill Nnoitra behind her back. They are willing to do anything for their Nell-sama

posted by Rain
I wonder where I got all this hate for the old espada

Probably because he reminds you of an old grouch in a wifebeater ;)

posted by Thantos-Espada
considering both espada and captains are the 2 highest groups in each order...

Not quite. Here are the Shinigami and their Hollow equivalents in terms of military structure:

Shinigami = Hollow
Shinigami seated officers = Numeros
Vice Captains = Fracciones
Captains = Espada

Then you have the hybrids:

Vizards = Arrancars (with Arrancars the range is vast, from weaklings such as D-Roy to powerhouses like Ulq and above

(It's possible that such a range exists among the Vizards i.e a Captain-class Shinigami Vizard is stronger than an ordinary Shinigami Vizard, but there is no evidence yet.)

With the Hollows we have the three levels of evolution and power : the Gillian, the Adjucha and the Vasto Lordes

Gillian= team of shinigami
Adjuchas = Captains (and Rukia :p)
Vasto Lordes = ?

At the moment we see that Arrancarised, Espada-class Adjuchas are equivalent to Captains.
The current theory is that Vasto Lordes are a level above average captains, or all captains (depending on what scanlation one uses). This means an arrancarised Vasto Lorde would be far more powerful than anything SS has at the moment.

[Thantos-Espada]

Oh dear god, so SS is pretty outmatched then?

Tbh i have an important question

witch could be a sort of debate


If aizen and ichimaru and tousen where to be kiled or leave, who do you think would rule over las notches instead of them?

[WatanukiXXX]

posted by Thantos-Espada
Oh dear god, so SS is pretty outmatched then?

LOL you would think so wouldn't you. But thanks to Kubo's slip shod, fan-service plotting this doesn't seem the case.

The main hero group = Ichigo, Ishida, Rukia, Orihime

+ the 10 captains of SS + Urahara, Yoruichi, Tesai, Jinta, Ururu + Kuukaku and Ganjyu + Isshin and Ryuuken

+ the 6 Vizards

= about 26-28 characters (give or take Jinta and Ururu), not even counting the Vice Captains, or the mysterious Royal Guards or the SS King himself

Baddies

Aizen, Tousen, Gin + 4 Espada and assorted fraciones + Wanderweiss = maybe 8-10 characters

The odds are heavily weighed in SS's favour :cry

The only counter we can see at the moment is Aizen replacing the fallen Espada with VL's, but that is no guarantee. Kubo can simply re-adjust the VL's from being strong enough to stomp Captains to being as weak as kittens

If aizen and ichimaru and tousen where to be kiled or leave, who do you think would rule over las notches instead of them?

I am gonna admit my bias here and say...Stark! :yell

[Thantos-Espada]

I spose

on the basis of main characters the SS have a large advantage.

but we Hueco Mundo dwellers are missing one important point...


If aizen releases the thing i can't spell *>.<* then he will arrancarnise all hollows...

increasing their powers by loads

meaning the whole of ss would be over run with thousands of numeros...


And i doubt the Vizards would help the SS

they may help ichigo... but they still hate soul reapers...

[Puffy]

Nel is the former espada #3...


she's not overated >.<


So in essence you're saying that a good (not great) high school basketball player is better than the average NBA player?

Good luck with that.

[Rasziel]

Ah... the good ol' doubt... Neliel vs Nnoitra:

Nel was number 3, of a past generation.
Nnoitra is number 5 of a current generation, but number 8 of the old one.

Through cheating and deception, Nnoitra got Neliel out of the game for enough to get stronger, shown not only in his rank progression, but in his Zanpakuto changing shape and becoming bigger -

I could go on rambling different evidences to support who is stronger. But I'll make a simple rank-

Read in increasing order (Present time)

Neliel
Nnoitra
Released Neliel
Released Nnoitra - Remember a Sealed Arrancar has his powers limited. Nel was at full strength (at least for a while) while Nnoitra was still sealed.

This is actually logic - Nel was in the top 3 of her time, but spent YEARS in inactivity, Nnoitra trained enough to actually progress in a whole new tier of powers. Nel WAS powerful, now she's only strong. Sure, she can kick asses, but only to a limited amount - She had a hard time against Nnoitra, was forced to release (and don't tell me she wasn't surprised when Nnoitra survived her double Cero)

I think that if we put her in ranks now, she can be around Espada number 7 (Pure Speculation this last part)

[Puffy]

Ah... the good ol' doubt... Neliel vs Nnoitra:

Nel was number 3, of a past generation.
Nnoitra is number 5 of a current generation, but number 8 of the old one.

Through cheating and deception, Nnoitra got Neliel out of the game for enough to get stronger, shown not only in his rank progression, but in his Zanpakuto changing shape and becoming bigger -

I could go on rambling different evidences to support who is stronger. But I'll make a simple rank-

Read in increasing order (Present time)

Neliel
Nnoitra
Released Neliel
Released Nnoitra - Remember a Sealed Arrancar has his powers limited. Nel was at full strength (at least for a while) while Nnoitra was still sealed.

This is actually logic - Nel was in the top 3 of her time, but spent YEARS in inactivity, Nnoitra trained enough to actually progress in a whole new tier of powers. Nel WAS powerful, now she's only strong. Sure, she can kick asses, but only to a limited amount - She had a hard time against Nnoitra, was forced to release (and don't tell me she wasn't surprised when Nnoitra survived her double Cero)

I think that if we put her in ranks now, she can be around Espada number 7 (Pure Speculation this last part)


Thanks for the great post, now tell the NellFTMFL fangirls to listen to that lol.

[Thantos-Espada]

So in essence you're saying that a good (not great) high school basketball player is better than the average NBA player?

Good luck with that.

tbh i have no clue what ur talkin about and read the rep rules before neggin me for no reason.

can some one tell me what avasto lorde is like

[Rasziel]

can some one tell me what avasto lorde is like

:) if we actually knew... They have not been revealed yet. It has been STRONGLY hinted that Ulquiorra may be a Vasto Lorde Arrancar, but it was only hinted at, and we only saw a silhouette of a Vasto Lorde body.

A problem is that ever since arrancar have appeared, we have not seen a single hollow (aside from Dondo and Pesche and I still have my doubts regarding these two) -

The only hollows since the breaking into las noches (NOT COUNTING ARRANCAR) are the ones in Grimmy's flashbacks, and even then we do not know who is a gillian, an adjuchas or whatever - Making the differences between Adjuchas and Gillians even more difficult to spot.

A vasto Lorde? Hopefully, Kubo will pull one as a christmas present- Other than that, just hope for it

[lookingback7]

:D

I'd be thrilled to get a vasto lorde for christmas.

[stark espada]

Stark is able to get on his normal computer know yay

and also here is my thought next chapter the espada will appear again all of them just like after AA's death.

[Rain]

one thing i feel the need to point out (or get corrected on) is that 10 vasto lordes are enough to wipe out SS, those aren't arrancar vasto lordes right:eek:

so, just a handful of vasto lorde arrancar can destroy SS:p

stark- i hope you're right, i want to see more espada

[Shadoblak]

one thing i feel the need to point out (or get corrected on) is that 10 vasto lordes are enough to wipe out SS, those aren't arrancar vasto lordes right:eek:

so, just a handful of vasto lorde arrancar can destroy SS:p

stark- i hope you're right, i want to see more espada

Oh, you're right.....So.....If everyone up to Ulquiorra is a VastoLorde....They can kill all the captains in HM right now, right??

[stark espada]

I belive 4 and up will all be vesto lord but that is just my own thought maybe 3 but at least the 1st espada needs to be a real vesto lord

and I hope I am as well

[Thantos-Espada]

i wonder...

Dondo and Pesche, maybe their like nel? you know X-espada converted to idiot form and givin memory loss?

or even more annoying is that maybe there just there to become fillers later in the series...


like that don bloke / kon / uzu / karrin/ etc where?


also why havn't we seen more of ichigos dad, we know hes a soul reaper now but we only saw for 1 episode...


and i wanted to see what he can do...


Vasto lorde = scary >.<


they look human... as in alot smaller than gillian...

i wonder

i doubt the espada would be vasto lordes but maybe we will only see them after aizen is defeated...


i mean its depressing not seeing more menos / gillian since tht forrest bit...


i would have though hollows would be roaming all the halls and corridoors of las noches considering its the only hollow city? right?

[Rain]

Shado- thats what i was thinking

bceause right now, the only espada to lose have lost to captains going bankai, and those espada have been in the lower tier (and the captains just so happen to get paired up with the espada they are perfect to fight)

in theory 3 or 4 vasto lorde arrancar should be enough to destroy everyone and everything

Thantos- I doubt any hollows live in las noches, aizen would either shinigamize (yeah i just made this word up:cool:) or just knock them out of his way

[Thantos-Espada]

i guess your right...


i just think for a city its abit boring and empty.

*sits in aizens chair*

and if i was aizen, i would wan't as many hollow as possible at my becon call

his armys going to be crap *excuse french* without any hollows for cannon fodder...



Important: i think i know what a vasto lorde looks like^^


Ichigos hollow form, when hes trying to gain his mask, he become totaly hollow and begins using cero on the vizards...


i think he was a vasto lord, cause he wasnt a gillian or a menos...


and he kept his sword with him...

[Rasziel]

But he was not really a Vasto Lorde or even a Menos - He was just a very powerful hollow.

Menos are born when millions of Hollows merge, and unless a million of plankton like hollows were around, I saw no merging of any kind. The reason Ichigo's hollow form was freaking powerful is because Ichigo IS freaking powerful.

Also, you may have noticed the mask was not complete, ergo, he was not a total hollow. He was in the middle of becoming one when he finally defeated Shirosaki and became a Vizard. - He was not a Vasto Lorde, not even a complete hollow. Just in the process of becoming a powerful hollow.


Other topic, hollows running around Las Noches? Ha! I cannot even imagine it. It's like having roaches running around your house! (Carnivorous and actually dangerous cockroaches :p) - On a more serious tone, if there was a hollow actually worth enough to enter Las Noches, he will probably be turned into an arrancar- As Rain eloquently said a pair of posts before.

That's why I suppor the idea that there are no Hollows in Las Noches

[Thantos-Espada]

¬ ¬ so in other words i should stop asking silly questions.

like is a vasto lorde also made of lots of hollows?


sigh, hollows are a pain in the but to understand.

[Rasziel]

sigh, hollows are a pain in the but to understand.

Ohhh agreed on that! :p - But the mystery around them is what makes them interesting _ Kubo should probably surprise us with a Hollow omake (Instead of a Hitsugaya one... :hm)

And don't even worry about the stupid questions, I have a whole theory regarding hollow evolution that bases itself in stripes ...

[stark espada]

Ohhh agreed on that! :p - But the mystery around them is what makes them interesting _ Kubo should probably surprise us with a Hollow omake (Instead of a Hitsugaya one... :hm)

And don't even worry about the stupid questions, I have a whole theory regarding hollow evolution that bases itself in stripes ...

the hits thing is a filler in a manga I mean come one I do not like this issue already its making me made and a hallow one would be much better.

[Thantos-Espada]

*nods*




i have to say i liked the little hollow lizard ichigo saw...


was pretty cute, i want it as a pet...

[WatanukiXXX]

what a waste of a chapter. Seriously

I can understand its all marketing and fan-service, but wow, talk about being blatant, " Let's interrupt the story for a little Hitsugaya flashback...cos like, he is the most popular character right now...Japanese girls want him and Japanese boys want to be him!":cry

However the next chapter summary has me pumped. Does it mean the Szayel v Mayuri fight will not go down as everyone expects with the Pink One bottled up? Gawd I hope so. Give the Espadas a frickin' point on the board Kubo! Don't make it a three-nil white (black)wash :yell

What interests me is whether Arrancar, (as opposed to Hollows) are driven by the same instincts to fill their spiritual emptiness by consuming other Arrancar, Hollows and Souls.

We know that Arrancar do feel hungry (note Nell and her fracciones picnic/lunch) but it isn't elaborated upon. Are they eating Hollows or Souls? Or are they eating food that originates in Las Noches and is therefore packed with spiritual goodness like the very air and everything else there?
If so then they may no longer need to consume Hollows and Souls.

Maybe the Arrancarization stops them from consuming Hollows instinctively. I mean nothing stops a human from cannibalizing their fellow human except the cultural/social/psychological conditioning which makes them human as opposed to being an animal.
Perhaps for an arrancar eating a Hollow or soul or another Arrancar is equivalent to us eating say a chimp, or an undeveloped human.

I just hope Kubo develops some of his ideas and elaborates more on the Hollows and Arrancar, inbetween all the Hitsugaya and Byakuya fan-service :hm

[Rain]

Thantos- hollows aren't that hard to understand, until kubo reveals more about them, that just complicates things:p

WatanukiXXX- I agree, what a wasted chapter this was

I doubt that hollows have to consume other souls, mainly because they have a sense of self again, and they aren't just a mass of raw instinct, but anything is possible I suppose

[stark espada]

xxx I agree it is the stupidest manga issue yet I mean what were thy thinking hey lets not show what we are doing know and just get in the way of the current thing and do a pointless chapter good idea know one will be upset lets do it:D. That was a very stupid idea that they came up with to just interupt it.

[WatanukiXXX]

@Rain yeah..with the way Kubo has been going lately anything is possible. I mean Mizuiro could pop up out of nowhere and declare himself Primera espada and I wouldn’t bat an eye lid now (would even look forward to it ) :laugh :crazy

@Stark the Espada
Hey Stark maybe Kubo will interrupt a future arc set in SS with a Stark flashback hahaha then I’d be happy :yay

Anyway I have a question. Do you think the Arrancar/Hollows/HM need to be represented or have someone stand for them and their interests? And if so who?

Maybe I am giving too much credit to Kubo but I believe one of the themes he is expanding upon is that of the imbalance in the cosmic order.
When we look at it Bleach is composed of three worlds and three main components. The Humans (Human world), The Shinigami (Seiretei/Rukongai), and the Hollows/Arrancar (Hueco Mundo). All three have to be in harmony with one another, or at equilibrium at least. No-one part can dominate or dominate for too long or it could cause the whole universe (recycling of souls and so forth, life and death) to crumble.

Not only that but the Shinigami believe that by their actions they preserve the balance of souls transmigrating from the human world to SS. Threats such as the Hollows are ruthlessly wiped out. What happens when they go too far? They wiped out the Quincy almost to a man. Quincy are part of the human world.

Also the fact that SS as a whole is not a perfect system (it has flaws such as a military government, Mayuri, inequality, injustice, Mayuri etcetc). It’s almost as if one part (the Shinigami) have dominated for so long that they have become decadent and corrupt, or negligent at best. Now the pendulum seems to be swinging the other way with Aizen’s actions.
The point is both situations are extremes and that the optimum state is harmony and equilibrium. Where the hell am I going with this?

Well if Kubo seems to be suggesting that the Bleach universe is out of whack (its three components are now in conflict with one another, imbalanced) how does he want the situation rectified? Or does he? I believe he does by looking at the main characters.

Ignoring the non-humans we have Ichigo, Orihime, Chad and Ishida. Each represents one or a combination of all three parts. Ichigo represents and clearly stands for the Shinigami, Chad seems to be for the Hollows and Ishida for Quincy/Humans.

Yes I know Ichigo has an inner Hollow but emotionally and storywise he represents the Shinigami (his dad is one, he was made a Shinigami and his interactions have been with the Shinigami by far e.g Rukia)

Now I believe that Orihime will play the role of spokesperson or defender of the Arrancar (not so much Hollows). I posted this in the Orihime thread:

http://www.bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?p=128509#post128509

at first i thought she should die or turn evil

But Orihime is clearly an important part of Bleach and killing her off will just not do.

When I looked at how in the beginning her brother became a Hollow and fought off his mask, and how Orihime is now the focal point of the HM arc, I thought who else has seen and interacted with Hollows at their worst, and also when they are less than evil. Who else from the beginning has been exposed and experienced the human face of the Hollows?

Not Ichigo or Rukia. Both are (or were) avowedly anti-Hollow from the start. Ichigo to protect the souls of pluses and Rukia because she believes in her Shinigami duty.

Now look at Orihime now. She is the focus of the HM arc. And she has interacted with the Espada and Arrancar the most out of everyone else. She certainly knows that not all of them are mindless monsters. This gives her a unique insight and understanding of the Arrancar.

Also her name means princess. An allusion to a mythical Goddess. And she is identified with the rain.

There is no water in Hueco Mundo.

So i guess what I'm trying to say is that Orihime's role maybe is to bring balance by becoming the Queen and Protector of the Arrancar through her compassion and her strength. Instead of the false messiah-ship of Aizen, she becomes a true protector and guiding light for them.

Maybe she sparks a new movement in HM (through Ulq) that leads to a revolt. Maybe she defends the Arrancar once Aizen is dead and the Shinigami intend to wipe them out. Who knows?

Anyway she has a role and it has to play out till the end. She was there at the beginning so it makes sense for her to be there at the end.

(wonders if we will ever see sora again)

my two cents (which will be wrong anyway bleargh)



Orihime has interacted with Sora, a Hollow that resisted his mask and was her brother. She sees him as a monster, but then sees him regain his sense of self.
Orihime out of the main characters has spent the most time in Hueco Mundo and has experienced the good and the bad of the Arrancar. She, out of any of the others can see they are not all soul-eating monsters.
Orihime’s arc is the Hueco Mundo arc
Her name is related with a mythological Goddes to do with rain. She expressed herself in a poem as wanting to be the rain. Hueco Mundo is (almost) devoid of water. Rain in the desert.
Her name means ‘princess’.

I think that Orihime’s role is to be a supporter for the Arrancar and a ruler- protector of sorts. Through her the rest of the heroes will see that Arrancar should not be exterminated.
I certainly think that she will be a true saviour for the Arrancar, as opposed to Aizen who only uses them

It’s possible she will defend their interests against the SS. Perhaps she will become a leader of sorts, or someone the Arrancar will turn to. A true and benevolent
(compassionate) protector.

She will bring balance by bringing the Arrancar together with the Shinigami and the Humans.
Maybe they can come to terms with each other : Shinigami attack only Hollows on earth but once they go to HM they are under the Arrancar’s jurisdiction. For their part the Arrancar do not attack or allow those under them to attack earth and SS.

The ending of the Yu Yu Hakusho anime had all three realms: Human, Demon and Spirit world at last in balance and this is what I foresee for Bleach.

[stark espada]

@Rain yeah..with the way Kubo has been going lately anything is possible. I mean Mizuiro could pop up out of nowhere and declare himself Primera espada and I wouldn’t bat an eye lid now (would even look forward to it ) :laugh :crazy

@Stark the Espada
Hey Stark maybe Kubo will interrupt a future arc set in SS with a Stark flashback hahaha then I’d be happy :yay

Anyway I have a question. Do you think the Arrancar/Hollows/HM need to be represented or have someone stand for them and their interests? And if so who?

Maybe I am giving too much credit to Kubo but I believe one of the themes he is expanding upon is that of the imbalance in the cosmic order.
When we look at it Bleach is composed of three worlds and three main components. The Humans (Human world), The Shinigami (Seiretei/Rukongai), and the Hollows/Arrancar (Hueco Mundo). All three have to be in harmony with one another, or at equilibrium at least. No-one part can dominate or dominate for too long or it could cause the whole universe (recycling of souls and so forth, life and death) to crumble.

Not only that but the Shinigami believe that by their actions they preserve the balance of souls transmigrating from the human world to SS. Threats such as the Hollows are ruthlessly wiped out. What happens when they go too far? They wiped out the Quincy almost to a man. Quincy are part of the human world.

Also the fact that SS as a whole is not a perfect system (it has flaws such as a military government, Mayuri, inequality, injustice, Mayuri etcetc). It’s almost as if one part (the Shinigami) have dominated for so long that they have become decadent and corrupt, or negligent at best. Now the pendulum seems to be swinging the other way with Aizen’s actions.
The point is both situations are extremes and that the optimum state is harmony and equilibrium. Where the hell am I going with this?

Well if Kubo seems to be suggesting that the Bleach universe is out of whack (its three components are now in conflict with one another, imbalanced) how does he want the situation rectified? Or does he? I believe he does by looking at the main characters.

Ignoring the non-humans we have Ichigo, Orihime, Chad and Ishida. Each represents one or a combination of all three parts. Ichigo represents and clearly stands for the Shinigami, Chad seems to be for the Hollows and Ishida for Quincy/Humans.

Yes I know Ichigo has an inner Hollow but emotionally and storywise he represents the Shinigami (his dad is one, he was made a Shinigami and his interactions have been with the Shinigami by far e.g Rukia)

Now I believe that Orihime will play the role of spokesperson or defender of the Arrancar (not so much Hollows). I posted this in the Orihime thread:

http://www.bleachasylum.com/showthread.php?p=128509#post128509

at first i thought she should die or turn evil

But Orihime is clearly an important part of Bleach and killing her off will just not do.

When I looked at how in the beginning her brother became a Hollow and fought off his mask, and how Orihime is now the focal point of the HM arc, I thought who else has seen and interacted with Hollows at their worst, and also when they are less than evil. Who else from the beginning has been exposed and experienced the human face of the Hollows?

Not Ichigo or Rukia. Both are (or were) avowedly anti-Hollow from the start. Ichigo to protect the souls of pluses and Rukia because she believes in her Shinigami duty.

Now look at Orihime now. She is the focus of the HM arc. And she has interacted with the Espada and Arrancar the most out of everyone else. She certainly knows that not all of them are mindless monsters. This gives her a unique insight and understanding of the Arrancar.

Also her name means princess. An allusion to a mythical Goddess. And she is identified with the rain.

There is no water in Hueco Mundo.

So i guess what I'm trying to say is that Orihime's role maybe is to bring balance by becoming the Queen and Protector of the Arrancar through her compassion and her strength. Instead of the false messiah-ship of Aizen, she becomes a true protector and guiding light for them.

Maybe she sparks a new movement in HM (through Ulq) that leads to a revolt. Maybe she defends the Arrancar once Aizen is dead and the Shinigami intend to wipe them out. Who knows?

Anyway she has a role and it has to play out till the end. She was there at the beginning so it makes sense for her to be there at the end.

(wonders if we will ever see sora again)

my two cents (which will be wrong anyway bleargh)



Orihime has interacted with Sora, a Hollow that resisted his mask and was her brother. She sees him as a monster, but then sees him regain his sense of self.
Orihime out of the main characters has spent the most time in Hueco Mundo and has experienced the good and the bad of the Arrancar. She, out of any of the others can see they are not all soul-eating monsters.
Orihime’s arc is the Hueco Mundo arc
Her name is related with a mythological Goddes to do with rain. She expressed herself in a poem as wanting to be the rain. Hueco Mundo is (almost) devoid of water. Rain in the desert.
Her name means ‘princess’.

I think that Orihime’s role is to be a supporter for the Arrancar and a ruler- protector of sorts. Through her the rest of the heroes will see that Arrancar should not be exterminated.
I certainly think that she will be a true saviour for the Arrancar, as opposed to Aizen who only uses them

It’s possible she will defend their interests against the SS. Perhaps she will become a leader of sorts, or someone the Arrancar will turn to. A true and benevolent
(compassionate) protector.

She will bring balance by bringing the Arrancar together with the Shinigami and the Humans.
Maybe they can come to terms with each other : Shinigami attack only Hollows on earth but once they go to HM they are under the Arrancar’s jurisdiction. For their part the Arrancar do not attack or allow those under them to attack earth and SS.

The ending of the Yu Yu Hakusho anime had all three realms: Human, Demon and Spirit world at last in balance and this is what I foresee for Bleach.

First off I think the top 3 or maybe 4 should get there own chapter but not in another arc in this arc much like the one about grimmjow's past.

and second off that was one long read but ill tell you what I thought.

Yes more then likely what they are doing right know in the manga is getting rid of the arrancar/espada who would be known as evil before the balance is to set in for quite some time I have thought of that hole balance thing because it makes allot of since as of right know because it seems the espada and arrancar other then the previon that have been killed are more on the line of evil seeing as you have Nel who has let to live and grimmjow who is alive I do not think they would be considered evil much like the ones who would such as AA and grantz and Nnoitora.

But that is just my own thought on the hole thing.

[Rain]

Watanuki- thats a great theory. I can totally see Orihime defending or trying to protect the arrancar, and this will show that not all arrancar are evil.

I wonder if it will happen though, i bet that chad may represent the hollows, and/or orihime will be the one to stop a war between the three races, not take a side at all

A potential war between all these races (and hell maybe) could be very emotional, and give more insight to each of them. At the very end of course it could be Orihime telling everyone to stop, remembering the bond she made with each.

Damn, now I really want to see this:D

[Flying Banana]

wtanuki - i kinda thought that too xD and the fact the her name ment princess was kinda coincidential (dunno if i spelled it right..) to me
i'm guessing aizen wanted her to be his 'queen' xDD or something

[stark espada]

I think chad will end up having a major rule in this hole process at the end thing because out of every one he in every arc(not including filler.) Has been very very close to that of death.

[Thantos-Espada]

¬ ¬


hollow chad !!!!!, as a question due to ichigos vizard power. doesnt that mean hes technicaling a hollow?

i mean if his dads a soul reaper and his mums human, and hes a vizard i wonder what his children will be like...

*cringes*


born vizards with little maskeds and everything that grow like a tortous shell...

[Rain]

Thantos- chad isn't a hollow (yet:p) it'll be fun to see hime get closer though

and I don't even want to try to think what Ichigos kids powers will be like

[WatanukiXXX]

Chad is an odd one. I am not sure what Kubo has in store for him, what his overall role and function in the main story is.

If he is to be identified with the Hollows than it's almost by happenstance. His powers resemble Hollow powers. That's it. Chad doesn't interact with them except as enemies. In the HM arc up to now Chad got one good fight with two power-ups and the realization that he felt stronger and at home. Then Kubo lays him out for 30 chapters and that's it, no more development for Chad. One would think that if Chad is to be identified with the Hollows then Kubo would have further explored the relationship between his Hollow-like powers and being in Hueco Mundo, but up to now Kubo doesn't.

That is why I am wary of making Chad out to be someone identified as a Hollow/Arrancar spokeperson or defender as such. His Hollow powers have zero impact on his views on Hollows, they could be Quincy powers for all the relevance they seem to have.

However at the same time Rain's theory that Old Guy could be Chad's abuelo or grandfather is starting to become mighty attractive to me.

In a sense then if it is true Chad's relationship with the Hollows is more personal and based on family ties, whereas with Orihime her identification with the Arrancar is due to her understanding, empathic and compassionate nature (she healed lolly and menoly after all who beat her up earlier).

[stark espada]

Chad is an odd one. I am not sure what Kubo has in store for him, what his overall role and function in the main story is.

If he is to be identified with the Hollows than it's almost by happenstance. His powers resemble Hollow powers. That's it. Chad doesn't interact with them except as enemies. In the HM arc up to now Chad got one good fight with two power-ups and the realization that he felt stronger and at home. Then Kubo lays him out for 30 chapters and that's it, no more development for Chad. One would think that if Chad is to be identified with the Hollows then Kubo would have further explored the relationship between his Hollow-like powers and being in Hueco Mundo, but up to now Kubo doesn't.

That is why I am wary of making Chad out to be someone identified as a Hollow/Arrancar spokeperson or defender as such. His Hollow powers have zero impact on his views on Hollows, they could be Quincy powers for all the relevance they seem to have.

However at the same time Rain's theory that Old Guy could be Chad's abuelo or grandfather is starting to become mighty attractive to me.

In a sense then if it is true Chad's relationship with the Hollows is more personal and based on family ties, whereas with Orihime her identification with the Arrancar is due to her understanding, empathic and compassionate nature (she healed lolly and menoly after all who beat her up earlier).

well chad is being healed as of right know as it looks but here is one thing know that the anime has shown the og my thoughts on him being abuelo is even better and I think chad will fight him very soon when he is healed more then likely he will be stronger.

[lookingback7]

WatanukiXXX
I think that Orihime’s role is to be a supporter for the Arrancar and a ruler- protector of sorts. Through her the rest of the heroes will see that Arrancar should not be exterminated.
I certainly think that she will be a true saviour for the Arrancar, as opposed to Aizen who only uses them

I absolutely love this idea! I only wish it would be true.

[Rain]

Watanuki- one of my theories has another follower:eek: thats great

the old espada could be chads abuelo, it makes sense (if we ignore all things that disprove the theory:D)

stark- yea, I bety chad will fight him too, maybe he'll fight yammy, but he'll almost have to fight old espada

[stark espada]

Watanuki- one of my theories has another follower:eek: thats great

the old espada could be chads abuelo, it makes sense (if we ignore all things that disprove the theory:D)

stark- yea, I bety chad will fight him too, maybe he'll fight yammy, but he'll almost have to fight old espada

ill get a little mad if he does not end up fighting at least one of the top 3 and they just stick him fighting the weakling yammy

[Thantos-Espada]

well isnt it like the espada are spread out between the main characters, cause i havnt read the manga i dunno whats going on where u guys are.


But out of the remaining espada is there like 1 for each character?


renji

rukia

ichigo

ishida

chad?

[Higasino Isley]

Sign me up,plz.Can I join,eh? :)
I would like to be Fracción of Szayel-chan as Ilforte Grantz! :)-(or this seat is occupied already? :confused: )

[Thantos-Espada]

i dunno about the seat^^


but as a totaly un official welcome^^, welcome to the Hueco Mundo FC

[Higasino Isley]

i dunno about the seat^^


but as a totaly un official welcome^^, welcome to the Hueco Mundo FC

Yo!:)
I looked at the list since then.The seat of Ilforte is 'vacant' yet.:yay
So,i want his place!:)

[WatanukiXXX]

welcome Higasino Isley :hug

@ stark espada
Yeah Chad has to play an important role somehow. Confronting Old Guy who happens to be his abuelo (as per Rain's theory) would give a much needed boost to his character arc.
Yet I don't Chad is strong enough now to face off against one of the top three Espada. He needs another power-up at least to even think of facing Nnoi who is only 5th, so to face anyone of the top three is still far away.

@Rain
hahahaha well the theory is as good as any because there is no way of disproving it. Besides with the way Kubo is going currently, with wtf moments at every turn, it's possible your theory might be canon after all!

@lookingback7
Thanks! :D yeah one hopes something similar to what i proposed is what Kubo is going for. I haven't seen anything to contradict it thus far.

@Thantos-Espada
yeah the assumption that every main character gets an Espada opponent or equivalent, (if you will). It doesn't quite work that way in Bleach though. The closest was the privaron fights:

Ichigo vs the strongest Dordonii

Ishida vs the girl with long range ability Cirucci

Chad vs the strongman Gatenbein

At the moment no character other than Ichigo can take on the remaining Espada one-on one (im not including Yammi in this)
There are five Espada remaining: Ulquiorra the 4th, Yammi the 10th and Stark, OG and Halibel

Renji and Ishida can't even deal with the 8th Espada, much less anything stronger. They both need a power-up (Ishida) and in Renji's case enhancing his base reiatsu level to something approaching Captain level strength.

Rukia almost died beating Noveno through plotkai (her unforeshadowed third dance, Aaro's glassjar head). She needs bankai before she can compete with the big boys.

Chad (explained above to Stark Espada)

Out of the whole lot only Ichigo can and has the potential to take on any Espada (Ulq has noted his power at its highest being greater than his own, meaning top three level).

Maybe later we can (with more manga evidence) be sure which Espada is the main opponent of which protagonist, at the moment not really. The Espada might all be reserved for the Captains whom they resemble...so who knows

[Rain]

Wata- thats true and even when kubo does go against my theory i just ignore the facts.... YAMMY IS THE PRIMERO ESPADA:yell like that:p

Higasino Isley- welcome to the FC, sorry ilfortes seat was taken the owner of this FC hasn't updated in like 30 pages or so

mirarose, wonderwyce, ilforte and the old espada have been taken, plus whats on the list

Thantos- there wouls have been if SS hadn't interferred

[ZarakiKenpachi]

even tho im not a member i have a gift for you all


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d69/SweetKittens/Bleach%20Album/EspadaDance.jpg

[Higasino Isley]

Wata- thats true and even when kubo does go against my theory i just ignore the facts.... YAMMY IS THE PRIMERO ESPADA:yell like that:p

Higasino Isley- welcome to the FC, sorry ilfortes seat was taken the owner of this FC hasn't updated in like 30 pages or so

mirarose, wonderwyce, ilforte and the old espada have been taken, plus whats on the list

Yo&Wakatta.xD It will be difficult.Would somebody help me?:)Which seat isn't occupied yet? :confused:

(my apology because of my exhausting question.)

[Thantos-Espada]

why dont ya make ur own like me?


i dunno where i am in the list (you better put me in the numero!)

but then u can decide instead of picking from choises

[Higasino Isley]

why dont ya make ur own like me?


i dunno where i am in the list (you better put me in the numero!)

but then u can decide instead of picking from choises

It's a good idea! :)
So it is my own:

Name:Higasino Isley
Type :conscious hollow-currently
Rank :Most useful Fracción of Szayel Aporro Grantz-sama

[WatanukiXXX]

@Thantos-Espada and Higasino Isley

the person that set up this club hasn't posted in a long while and hasn't updated the membership or seat list.I dont think my name is on that list either... So the seat list is a bit out-dated :D

Just FYI I already chose Wanderweiss/Wonderwyce/Wonderweiss Margera :yell :noworry :che

@ZarakiKenpachi

Thanks for the cute pic! especially love the Ulq one..so serious yet so silly!

[Higasino Isley]

@Thantos-Espada and Higasino Isley

the person that set up this club hasn't posted in a long while and hasn't updated the membership or seat list.I dont think my name is on that list either... So the seat list is a bit out-dated :D

Oh,I see.I hope he soon recurs to refresh the list and puts us into the list.:)

[Rain]

Zaraki- you are a member, you joined like 2 months agao, and picked old espada

Thantos & Higasino- it would be better if you both just picked an arrancar (its not like it serves any purpose but still)

Wata- I'm keeping track of the list, so don't worry:D

[WatanukiXXX]

@Rain
Good to know Rain, good to know :uhuh

hey does anyone else think that Lolly and Menolly are Ulquiorra's fraccions?

[stark espada]

@Rain
Good to know Rain, good to know :uhuh

hey does anyone else think that Lolly and Menolly are Ulquiorra's fraccions?

glad someone has brought that up for a while I thought that could be possible but now I do not think as much seeing as they seem far to loyal to aizen to be with him and if they were why not be by his side when he was fighting ichi thought they were watching hime so right know there is a 50-50 chance that they are.

[Rain]

Higasino- the ones that have been taken, but not updated on the friont page are wonderwyce, old espada, illforte and mira rose.

Plus there have been arrancar that have appeared that aren't named on the list so there are more options than you think:p

Wata- They could be his fraccion, but I don't know. Their personalities don't fit with his too well, but maybe thats the fun of it

[Higasino Isley]

hey does anyone else think that Lolly and Menolly are Ulquiorra's fraccions?

It is possible,coz if the Quadro Espada hasn't got any Fracción,it would be so so strange.Hm,but Ulquiorra is a so so strange character.:p

Rain!
Thanks for the briefing.:) I will think it over,coz the thought of own character seems good for me,but if it's not correct,i would pick a "real" Bleach-char.xD

[stark espada]

It would be funny if the both of them turned out to be yammy's fracction instead of someone else.

[Higasino Isley]

It would be funny if the both of them turned out to be yammy's fracction instead of someone else.

lol.I don't think Yammi has subordinate.xDHe's not a boss-like character.
btw When I saw Yammi firstly with Ulquiorra,i thought Yammi is the Fracción/subordinate of Ulquiorra.He treated Yammi patronizingly.

[stark espada]

I thought the same thing he seems just far to weak to be in the espada telsa would have probably done a better job.

[Higasino Isley]

Yammi=the natural force.
I am curious to his release form.What will he?Bison or bison?xD

[stark espada]

as am I thought my old thought of him being an elephant will probably not happen:cry

[Rain]

I sort of want yammy to be the primera espada's fraccion.

Oh wait, he is the primera:yell *won't let this theory die*

lol, i can't imagine loly/melony being yammys fraccion, he would just eat them:D

[stark espada]

more then likely he would eat them but it be funny for yammi to see him have any fracction

[Thantos-Espada]

yammy has a large jaw peice...

maybe his release is a hippo?

[WatanukiXXX]

my first impression of Yammi is his release is a Gorilla...so I'm most likely wrong :p

A hippo is a good one...:hm

I don't think Yammi is weak, he's just plain dumb. I think Ulq said the reason he was ranked 10th was because he doesn't know how to sense reiatsu ergo he isn't that skilled as the Espada above him.

He probably has more raw power or strength than Aaro, Szayel (definitely) and Zommari. None of them shone in the strength department.

That must be the resonn why he hasnt been shown yet by Kubo...that or there is a sizeable fan-base in Japan that actually likes Yammi :laugh

[Flying Banana]

thantos - LOL xD possibly yes x3

but he is huge...so might as well give him a huge release...

watanuki - lol i was thinking the same too xD his fists look like gorilla fists...well possibly his whole body looks like a gorilla


http://www.blackbeltmama.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/10/29/gorilla.gif
http://static.zsl.org/images/originals/gorilla-kingdom5-2561.jpg
:]

[stark espada]

Yes ulquiorra did say that about him so I think aizen does not care as much about brute strength rather then skill because I know he is not weak but is not skilled more then likely he is stronger then 9-7 but like you said no real skill so therefore he is only able to go with 10.

[Higasino Isley]

Yammi will be kinda interesting,he is the "(officially) weakest" Espada,but still alive.
btw I don't even understand,that how was Zomari the Séptima Espada.He died so easily.That's all the 7th?Is he really more skilled and stronger than Szayel Apollo,and almost has similar power like Grimmjow???
Gomen,but i think it is laughing-stock...

[Flying Banana]

i wonder who will fight yammi o.o
because last time, i couldn't beleive kisuke wasn't able to finish yammi quicker than he did

[Hitsupod]

i Really hope somehow hitsugaya will come and fight him

i mean he did fight him once and maybe yammy wants to finish a fight for once

[stark espada]

mr.white hair is not in this arc I think the movie will tell you why he is not.

[Higasino Isley]

i Really hope somehow hitsugaya will come and fight him

i mean he did fight him once and maybe yammy wants to finish a fight for once

It's true,but Hitsugaya is really weakling.I mean I hope Yammi shows his release form next time and I don't think,that Yammi needs to show that against Hitsugaya.

[stark espada]

It's true,but Hitsugaya is really weakling.I mean I hope Yammi shows his release form next time and I don't think,that Yammi needs to show that against Hitsugaya.



yes your right hitsugaya is one of the weaker captions out there he is in the bottom 3 along with unohana and thought most would not like to belive it tousen is one of the weaker captions out there and yes some my say oh but he cut grimmjow's hand off if you remember right grimmjow could do nothing about it or he would face the wrath of aizen after tousen it be hitsugaya then ukitake because he is in a sick state were he can not do much.

[Rain]

i hate hitsugaya, but i don't think he is one of the weaker captains, but this is nether the time nor the place to talk about this

Wata- well there are a few fans of yammy *is one and most likely only*

Banana- urahara couldn't win, cause yammys cool:D

yammys release is probably a :headscratch *insert something awesome*

[stark espada]

rain-I hate him as well

every one knows yammi just painted that 0 on him to trick people he is king of hippos or possible elephants or even gorillas or what ever he is.

[Higasino Isley]

i wonder who will fight yammi o.o
because last time, i couldn't beleive kisuke wasn't able to finish yammi quicker than he did

Well,i am thinking about a possible Yammi vs. Madarame Ikkaku-fight currently.:)
Ikkaku is extremely strong character and has a fantastic BanKai.Hehe,and his captain is in Hueco Mundo.
imho Both of them r the lovers of a fight.They resemble each other.This fight would be kinda interesting certainly.
Yeah,Ikkaku is (yeah,now xD) before room of Yammi with that mad look of his.;)
Ikkaku vs Yammi FTW!:p

[WatanukiXXX]

@Rain
the odd thing about Yammi surviving so long is that he has actually killed innocent people, never mind that arrancar lady who fixed his arm. Arrancars like Luppi and Tesla who have awesome designs are killed off despite not having killed off anyone.
Yet Kubo lets him live (although thinking about it, Mayuri committed Quincy genocide in the worst manner and is still alive and kicking :hm..)

posted by Stark Espada
he is in the bottom 3 along with unohana

Off-Topic
The white-haired runt has the potential to be in the top 5 when he reaches maturity and also Unohana isn't weak in my view. The official Captain stats indicates that her overall mark is 540, Aizen and Yamamoto are tied at 560. This means according to this ranking she is the strongest Captain in SS after Yama-Ji and third strongest overall.

On- Topic
Now I couldnt help notice Kubo's new interview where he says Unohana will fight in the next arc and her fight is very important to him. All hints (in SS arc) point to her being very strong indeed (including the Captain stats). If we follow this rational then Yama-Ji is first, Unohana second and Shunsui is third.

Well looky thar...the last 3 Espada correspond to the top three Captains. So if Kubo sticks to the parallel then OG is Primera, Halibel is Segundo and Stark is Tercera (despite every cell in my body hoping that Stark is Primera :yell)

@Higasino isley
Yammi can fight anyone, be it Chad or Komamura or even Ichigo again. I have a feeling that strength wise he is stronger then the Ninth, Eighth and Seventh Espada so will require a high-level strength opponent, he's just lacking in ability and uhh IQ.

Ikkaku had the best fight against the arrancar when he defeated Edorad who was just a numero (fracion) but he used bankai and was almost killed. I doubt he can be a threat to Yammi at the moment (look at Renji, a VC with Bankai against Szayel)

IF Ikkaku acquired captain-level strength then yeah he could be a match for Yammi

[stark espada]

well unohana will possible fight Halibel because all along I have said she is 2 but I very much drought yammato will go to hueco mundo and I am not saying uno is not strong she is the best of the healers I am just saying strength wise she might not be the best at that but at this moment really any thing could happen we learned that when grantz impregnated nemu.

[WatanukiXXX]

Well Unohana might not fight halibel at all. Fact is, halibel might not even be in the top three if new Vasto Lordes are arrancarised and Aizen starts shuffling the rankings again.

We know that two positions are vacant, possibly another two will be as well (Szayel and Nnoitra) and maybe even a third (Grimmjow)

Does anyone think it likely Kubo is going to introduce 4-5 new characters, all VLs as ultimate baddies for the next arc?

I mean a VL version of Zommari (speedster, mobility)
VL version of Aaroniero (freak in a mask)
VL version of Szayel (if he dies) (mad scientist)

Or we're heading into the Winter War with just Espadas 1-4 plus Wanderweiss and maybe Grimmjow? (no new VLs)

[stark espada]

Your forgeting the strongest of them all yammi :rotflmao

but really I think its even said that this issue is wear grantz dies and you know Nnoitora is going to lose unless kubo just really wants a twist and I think the top on or possible 2 could be a VL already but again nobody know.

[Rain]

Wata- now im hoping that kubo makes 4-5 new espada (all VL's).

it could help explain why he has killed off some of the interesting espada who weren't VL's without revealing much on them

and it would explain why we now nothing about halibel and the other top two espada, it isn't their time to be shown yet.

sidenote- unohana better not fight halibel, halibel must fight either yoruichi or nel (I demend fan-service:yell)

[stark espada]

Rain-:rotflmao to that well seeing as were hailbel is she will more then likely fight Nel or hime seeing as they are the only two females who are in the area.

Oh and can any one tell me because I have looked at it quite a few times was that slash when unohana was walking away for here or was that apart of something else here is the pic if you need to refresh.
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s169/sasorixd99/uno.jpg

[Rasziel]

You completelly misunderstood the image

What you are seeing is Unohana standing beside Chad (And Gantenbain who is off screen) in chapter 304.

Kenpachi/Nnoitra fight is so extreme that everyone is watching it at the distance (Byakuya is looking at their direction; while Mayuri is listening at it more preciselly)

That blade you see there is in no way directed towards Unohana, it's Nnoitra's blade (one half of one of the two crescent shaped moons) as a Dramatic effect.

It's Kubo's way of teasing everyone who is expecting the barbarian's fight, as everyone can see it and is shocked by them, but WE cannot see it

[stark espada]

Oh thank you it was bothering me so much not knowing if it was towards her or not also what happened to Gantenbain did unohana heal him or did she just leave him there to rote

[Rain]

she talked about healing him, but we haven't seen him move yet, so she probably hasn't healed him.

healing rukia probably took priority

[stark espada]

but rukia seems fine maybe she is headed towards the Nnoitora fight right know and healed G but he is still unconscious.

[Rasziel]

Unohana healed chad and Gantenbain in the time Isane healed Rukia and Hanataro.

Gantenbain is either healed/being healed, he just did not appear in camera.

On everyone arriving at the Kenpachi Nnoitra fight? I think not.
It would be the most logical thing to happen, but most probably Nnoi will fight Kenpachi to death, alone.

[stark espada]

I am not saying that they will help fight Nnoitora I am just saying that they will observe the fight

also here me out on this one yammi's full name is yammi segal :rotflmao

[Higasino Isley]

Or we're heading into the Winter War with just Espadas 1-4 plus Wanderweiss and maybe Grimmjow? (no new VLs)

lol,but don't make fun of Espada!

Aaroniero and Zomari was only hindrance.They aren't significant losses.In all likelihood,everything happens according to plans of Aizen-sama.:)
Grimmjow-sama never dies because he is a very important person for Aizen-sama.Noitora-kun is extremely strong without his truly power,so Kenpachi don't even make a good warm-up for Noi-kun.
and Szayel isn't dead person.
So,there are 8 Espada and Wondervice.;)

[stark espada]

Well Higasino Isley you do not know weather any thing after the Le roux AA thing that is true but you have no idea about the other thing's entell it is actually shown.

[WatanukiXXX]

Grimmjow is not gonna die this arc. Like I said in the spoiler thread:

His character design is based on the main protagonist of Zombie Powder, Kubo's earlier manga

He has a song dedicated to him (so does Ulq)

His story is about being stronger and rivalling Ichigo, he isn't an evil bastard per se. He is also obsessed with Ichigo. Baddies that are obsessed about the hero generally don't die early

Grimm is gonna get a second cover page next chapter.

Grimmjow and Ulquiorra are gonna survive this arc and maybe the whole manga. I dont like either of them to be honest, but dislike Grimmjow more than Ulquiorra.

I do hope Stark and maybe Wanderweiss joins them as Espada fated not to die by the end of the manga.

Howver for the arc I can see 1-4 espada plus wanderweiss and maybe Szayel (if he lives).

I would peg Nnoitra as one who lives, but he is up against fan and Kubo fav Zaraki Kenpachi. So odds are Nnoitra might be killed off. Mind you i could be wrong and he just gets beaten like a dog but left to live with the knowledge he was beaten.

Grimmjow is such a loose cannon and so he might strike out on his own, or join the good guys temporarily.

[stark espada]

xxx I am not a fan of grimmjow either I feel that Nnoitora should have killed him off when he sliced him it would have been good redince to him

Yeah since the first motion of keni Nnoi has been doomed in my eye's

hopefully stark ends up living but hailbel should also live

yes seeing as grimmjow is gamma if I remember right from zombie powder he more then likely will never die.

[Higasino Isley]

Yeah since the first motion of keni Nnoi has been doomed in my eye's

HeY!It would be strange very-very much,isn't it?
Look!
Sexta Espada has a power as Ichigo with hollow power and bankai
Kenpachi has such power as Ichigo with shikai and his inner hollow power

Well,Kenpach is extremely weakling one compared to Grimmjow-sama.
Yeah,this comparison is a bit anachronistic.Zaraki has been developing.It's true.But he has got serious bounds.He is not yet capable of communicating with his zanpakuto,he never used the kido and he is not expert in something,he is the raw,destructive power.Is it enough against Noitora-kun(not sexta,but 5th Espada) in your opinion?:)

[WatanukiXXX]

HeY!It would be strange very-very much,isn't it?
Look!
Sexta Espada has a power as Ichigo with hollow power and bankai
Kenpachi has such power as Ichigo with shikai and his inner hollow power

Well,Kenpach is extremely weakling one compared to Grimmjow-sama.
Yeah,this comparison is a bit anachronistic.Zaraki has been developing.It's true.But he has got serious bounds.He is not yet capable of communicating with his zanpakuto,he never used the kido and he is not expert in something,he is the raw,destructive power.Is it enough against Noitora-kun(not sexta,but 5th Espada) in your opinion?:)

There are several answers:

Easiest is to say that Kubo does not care for consistent power levels. Results are based on what he deems is right for his story, not what previous power levels, logic or rationale entail.

the other answer is giving Kubo the benefit of the doubt and hoping he knows what he is doing.

When Ichigo faced Kenpachi in SS he was already hovering close to Captain class strength. This was why when adding the power of Zangetsu to his own he was able to draw against Kenpachi, although the other stated it was a victory for him. By the time of the bridge scene Ichigo had definitely reached Captain class strength (per Ukitake).

(Adding zangetsu's power to his own may have increased Ichigo's overall power to bankai levels temporarily for that fight, which is why he was able to hurt Zaraki)

Kenpachi fought two Captains and their bankai while in permanent shikai mode. However I believe that his shikai mode corresponds to bankai mode for everyone else. Bankai increases a wielder's attributes by 5-10 so it's impossible for Zaraki to last much less win against two Captains unless he was already at a similar level.

If Bankai Ichigo's Getsuga tenshou can leave a mark on Unreleased Grimmjow's chest, it is possible that Shikai Zaraki is able to fight Unreleased Noitra for a while.

This also depends on the notion that Zaraki was designed by Kubo to have one thing or hook that makes him a contender among the most powerful, but doesn't make him too overpowered (more than the hero). Zaraki's is strength. He is in shikai mode, the strongest Captain.

E.g

Yamamoto has the most powerful attack plus fire based zanpakuto in SS along with near perfect mastery of all four shinigami arts plus experience.

Zaraki has only his strength..which might be equal to or greater than Yama's but is not enough to give him a victory.

I really do see Zaraki gaining a power up to defeat Nnoitra, He has to. Bankai Ichigo was outclassed by Unreleased Grimmjow. This means that to be able to match Nnoitra, Shikai Zaraki is equal or slightly greater than Bankai Ichigo.

Bankai Zaraki however will be equal or slightly greater than Vizard Ichigo and that will be the summit and limit of his power.

Discerning Espada strength through amount of damage they can endure

Privaron 103 Dordonii
Unreleased/Released Dordonii impervious to Shikai Ichigo (who has mid-tier Captain level reiatsu).
Bankai Ichigo cut him like paper.

10th Yammi
Unreleased Yammi is unaffected by low-tier Captain level Shikai ability (Hitsugaya)
Can be cut completely by Bankai Ichigo

8th Grantz
Unreleased Grantz is impervious to high-tier VC level shikai (Renji). Can be cut skin deep by a temporary spike/surge in strength.
By the POWER OF HIS DETERMINATION Renji was able to cut Grantz's skin and make him bleed through Shikai. That is all.
Released Grantz can withstand double cero from two fracion
can be cut through by low-tier captain level Shikai (Mayuri)

7th Zommari Le Roux
Unreleased Zommari can be cut by mid- tier Captain level shikai (Byakuya)
Released Zommari can withstand mid- tier Captain Level Bankai ability (Byakuya)
Can be cut through by mid- tier Captain level Shikai (yeah I was surprised too..but its Captain level...so there)

6th Grimmjow
Unreleased Grimmjow was scarred by Bankai Ichigo Getsuga Tenshou but did not break skin.
Released Grimmjow can be cut through by Vizard Ichigo blade from shoulder down to chest.

5th Nnoitra
Unreleased Nnoitra impervious to Bankai Ichigo (arguable, Ichigo was spent and injured)
Can be cut at least skin deep (blood spray) by former Unreleased Tercera Espada Nel.
Superficial bleeding damage to right arm due to Double Cero (Cero from former Third + his own)
Drilled by Lanzador Verde from Released Former Third. Pierced skin...no noticeable side effects/damage as of yet.

4th Ulq
Unreleased Ulq can block Vizard Ichigo blade with his arm. No skin breakage noted.
Can also block Vizard Ichigo Getsuga Tenshou with both arms which are burned but no penetration of skin noted.

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If this pattern holds than Unreleased Nnoi is possibly impervious to Bankai Ichigo level damage but is vulnerable to Vizard level damage.

Or

If the gap between Ulq and Noi is vast because Ulq is Vl and Nnoi is merely the strongest adjucha, then Nnoi might be closer to Grimmjow with the added advantage of having more reiatsu, or more strength.

Ichigo needs another power up to compete with Ulq and above.

EDIT:
When I mean cut by shikai actually means unreleased zanpakuto or shikai ability. lol Too lazy to change it now

[Rain]

thats interesting stuff watanukiXXX

personally i think that kenpachi can cut nnoitra, but I don't think that he would normally be able to make nnoitra release, but seeing as that he is weakened, he probably will to fight kenpachi

I think that the most the captains can do is harm a release mid-teir esapda, but even that is a strench

as far as the espada dying... no of them should, they all are so much cooler than the shinigami but in the end, they will probably all die:cry

[WatanukiXXX]

@Rain

Yeah Espada deaths have been rather cheap. If Kubo is half the storyteller fans think he will realise that in order to make the villains seem more a threat than a joke he has to start killing a few of the 'good' guys. Only then will fans feel that a real fight is on, instead of the current stroll in the park.

Out of all the arrancar-shinigami encounters so far, the Ikaku-Edorad one was the best. No plotkai, just two fighters who fought well and showed their best. I didn't begrudge Ikkaku's win since he deserved it.

The captains and the good guys should struggle against the villains like crazy and feel desperate, only then will their eventual triumph feel deserved and just rewards. Now, Bya can still stand and show off and Mayuri looks none the worse for wear. Where's the threat? where's the danger? This is too easy

[stark espada]

rain and wxxx I think the real threat is 4 and up in my on opinion ulquiorra beat ichigo with out even breaking a sweat and seeing as bya and keni both lost to ichigo who was not even vizard 4 and up should give them a run for there money

you might say they have been training quite a bit but ichigo was training as well

[Rain]

stark- yea thats what i was saying, the captains have no capacity to deal with espada 4 and up (or lower i guess:p)

Wata- thats exactly what I think, the espada are being killed off too easy, and the "good guys" have no losses. Kubo should at least kill off some vice-captains. Death on both sides make the stories more realistic and better

[Higasino Isley]

Okay guys!I found a witty pic,which maches this FC!xD
http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs23/i/2007/343/e/2/The_Arrancar_petition_by_n_dorfine.jpg
I hope KT comprehends it!;)

[Rain]

Higasino- thats a great pic, they are so cute and angry, its hilarious

i hope the same artist makes one with halibel, yammy, cirucci and ulquiorra:D

Discussion topic- which of the remaining three espada do think will have their full name or number revealed next.

I'm sure that the tercera will be revelaed next just so all the fans can continue to debate over who the primera is:D

[WatanukiXXX]

@Rain

I'm gonna be a contrarian and say Segundo first. Just so Kubo can set up the surprise as to who is Primera or Tercera :D

Also remeber the fake spoilers that named the Old Man as 'Aravaron Von Verde'?

There has been speculation and discussion on a few Bleach forums and some have stated the name came from the Espada Tea party episode of the anime.
An 'Aravaron Von Verde' (or something similar) was listed in the credit list being voiced by a seiyuu. This is what others have said and it is all unconfirmed.

Also just to throw more wood into the fire, they also claim that the seiyuu that voiced 'Aravaron Von Verde' or Old Man is the same seiyuu that voiced Chad's Abuelo.

All of this is uncofirmed though. If true, then we know someone put two and two together and made five at least and that's how that fake spoiler had the name.

[Rain]

Watanuki- I didn't even think of that, it would make sense for kubo to leave numbers 1 and 3 a mystery, and make all of us fans guess:D

i do remember the fake spoiler saying the name was aravaron von verde, it would be interesting if his name was listed in the end credits as that. And the voices of old espada and abuelo do sound similar, my crazy theory may be right after all

as for that name aravaron von verde, it sounds like some form of spanish (maybe portugese) but as far as I can tell it isn't an actual word :headscratch either way i guess we'll know before too long

[CloudStrife]

can i join?

[Rain]

CloudStrife- welcome to the FC, don't forget to pick a character

mirarose, ilforte, wonderwyce and the old espada have been taken, plus what is on the first post:D

[Rasziel]

Blegh- It's completelly irritating how the owner of the FC has been MIA, can't we talk with a mod to modify the post? It'd be nice to have it updated .)

Anyhow, on topic:

Aravaron von verde? I tell you myself, the only spanish in that is: Verde which means green (and I've completelly missed the green on Old Espada .p) - If we twist (and I mean, really twist) Aravaron, you can get: Avaron; which is slang for someone who is greedy...

But do not hype or get dissapointed, remember Arrancar names have no connection whatsoever with spanish. Ulquiorra Ciffer, Szayel Aporro Granz and Grimmjow Jeagerjaques are in no way spanish, and those are official names.


Aghh, the naming mystery revived... I am more inclined everyday to think that Kubo just threw Scrabble in a blender and got the names that way...


EDIT: WOOOH, my first post of 2008 :P

[Rain]

Kolbertt- yea I know the names of the espada have nothing to do with spanish, but his looked like spanish, the -aron ending got me:p

and I vaguely remember when Ulquiorras name was revealed, people 'changed' it to Elquellora, lol at least fans are trying

NOTE- I plan on talking to spacecat soon, and i would like to start a new version. I have been keeping track of the members who have joined and such. But would anyone have a problem with me as the owner:p

I just felt that since this was so close to needing a new version anyway, we could just wait until then.

Kolbertt- how do you say "new and improved" in spanish, is it "nuevo y mejorado' or is that just wrong:D that was the name i was thinking of for the new version.

[WatanukiXXX]

@Kolbertt

I wouldnt put much stock in it at all. The name was associated with a fake spoiler. It's possible all the rest of it (being in the credit list) is also just fan speculation.

@Rain

A new version would be good! :glomp

[Higasino Isley]

I was searching for some doujin,and finally I found a good one.It is a bit strange,it's not only about a pairing,but all of arrancars too.:D (with a bit exaggeration)

Title:Dead Man (http://www.mediafire.com/?8zm20tsuv0l)
Circle: Weekend
Scanner:Aviss.
Characters: Arrancar
Genre: Crack, Gag
Rating: PG

[stark espada]

here is a question last chapter it seemed like hime is going to heal nel well when she does that wouldn't it heal the crack in her mask and once that happens will she revert back to the adult nel are stay a child?

[Rain]

Higasino Isley- thanks for the link

stark espada- i bet orihime could heal that crack in her mask, but it wouldn't heal with the rest of her body, orihime would have to focus on that, since it is such a serious injury that happened so long ago

[stark espada]

rain- what you said is true but isn't hime's ability to heal all forms of injuries no matter really what it is might take a bit but I think she is the only one who could possibly do it for nel and she really needs that crack to be fixed I mean if it is not I think her power will continue to seap out with out control.

[WatanukiXXX]

thanks Higasino Isley :D

@Stark Espada

Orihime can definitely heal the mask, but does she focus her powers on healing that or nell's more recent injuries? But then nel was stomped on the head as well, so Orihim would be healing around the same spot. Maybe inadvertently she heals the old fracture while healing Nell's new wound.

I have a bad feeling Nell is gonna play the Yoruichi role and take Ichigo away when Ulq returns :notrust

[Rasziel]

Now... to add more drama into Bleach:

What if Nell does really recover her powers, at exactly the same time Kenpachi/Nnoitra reaches a resolution. But when everyone thinks it's happiness and joy, and joyness- A really pissed Ulquiorra appears.

Nel then decides to confront him, and sacrifices herself in a fight against Ulquiorra while everyone escapes Hueco Mundo -

Nifty and beautiful turn, ain't it?

[stark espada]

kolbertt-That would be a different turn for it all but I could see it happening and were you saying that like Nnoitora gets beat are that they both decided to join up with one another I did not get how you meant that but yes I have a strange feeling know that you have mentioned it that it will happen

Though nel would stand no chance against him.

WatanukiXXX- That is exactly why I think she will heal that wound seeing as she was hurt in the head I think that it will happen but like kolbertt said she might end up sacrfising herself so the others might escape

[WatanukiXXX]

Would be awesome Kolbertt. Just not likely at the moment.

But I do agree that a Nel death in such circumstances would elevate Bleach and the HM arc above the current fan-service/perv mode it's been in for the past year or so. Despite all the hardships, the good guys have not yet paid a price for their actions in entering HM. All of them are still alive.
Never mind that Bleach hasn't given us a good guy fatality yet, which makes the story predictable to the extreme.

[stark espada]

WatanukiXXX-personally I am a fan of nel but if any one is going to die this arc who is with the good guys id say nel is most likely but what I think this would make a lot more since to do when if nel says let me stay behind to fight I would almost bet if Pesche and Dondochakka are still alive that in fact they will be the ones to lose there life I mean nether of them would just willingly let nel die they will more then likely sacrifice themselves so nel can go on living with the other it would make the most since for those two to die above nel but I think someone like renji are rukia needs to die just to give the series a more realistic feel to it.

[WatanukiXXX]

ooh if peshe and dondojack are to die, we have to see them with their masks off first!

Renji and Rukia won't die yet. Renji needs to surpass his captain and actually win a fight ;p

Rukia, well she is the main female so her odds are high

If Nel has a Bleach Beat Collection out in the future then its very possible she won't be dying. That's my main basis for why Grimmjow and Ulq will live.

i hate Grimmjow :(

[Rasziel]

Well... Nel has already appeared for a while in the anime and manga, yet, Szayel will be getting the first Beat collection. If this is anything to go by, it means Szayel is MUCH more popular than Nel in japan (*Insert kefka laugh here*) Pink power FTW -

If we continue with my scenario, Peshe and Dondo surviving, but Nel dying, would signify... CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! Oh my god! I'd almost forgotten about it! They get emotional and motivated to get stronger... or, they could join Nel in her final fight -.- One never knows


And also... I couldn't care less about Grimmy :) - Another Renji/Vegeta/That black haired dude from Yu Yu Hakusho clone is just LAME; I can confidently say that death becomes him

[stark espada]

actually Nel does have a beat collection here is the one I did with her best song
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ab-NW7F6MfE

but my own thoughts is kubo wants a new lead female and Nel could be the one to take that place I would very much like to see that

and yeah we need to but will more then likely not get that I am talking about seeing p and d's masks.

rukia does have the least likely chance but it be a good twist to it all

well lets say renji does surpass his cap I think if he does end up doing that he will I would like to see him fall in this arc it would give them a good inspiration to keep fighting and not losing

I would like to see grimmjow fall as well because every one says he is going to be a good person like the vegeta of bleach but to see him die would prove every one wrong right there and personally out of all the espada he is the one I dislike the most one reason is he is the most overrated of all the espada he is not as strong as every one would like to believe he is just like byakyua of the captions.

I would not mind if ulquiorra ends up living that actually might be a good idea for the series as a hole to keep like at lest 3 of the top 4 in the land of the living I think Nnoitora should die maybe even though I think grantz is all used up he should live but he is only one out of the lower then 4 that should be living he is needed as a hole seeing as he is the scantest.

oh and my favorites would be

stark#1
halibel#2
some might laugh but yammi#3

I would not like to see any of those 3 people dieing out of every one if I had to choice

[Rain]

Kolbertt- nel sacrificing ehrself would be great, but it would never happen:( Ichigo wouldn't let her die alone:D

Wata- yea, some good guys need to die, just to show it can happen

Espada I want to live after this arc

Halibel
Nel
Yammy
Ulquiorra (maybe)
GJ (maybe)

espada that should die

Stark
Szayel
Nnoitra
Aaronio :D
Zommari:D
Ulquiorra and GJ (maybe)

[Rasziel]

You know, Ichigo is barelly concious at this point, and since he cannot move, he will be dragged away by Kenpachi along with Orihime ----> Maybe I am hoping for Nel's death scenario too much :p

And on the death of espadas...

Yammy: He REALLY must have brived Kubo Tite...

Aaroniero: He started this new fashion, "As long as you are a good guy, experience, strength, power, etc. etc. become irrelevant for the sake of plot", too much potential gone to waste -.-

Szayel: I stay firm on my idea that he isn't dead! But like Aaroniero, if Szayel (Who is becoming increasingly popular in Japan day by day :)) has died, it would be a complete lost, I've said why like a trillion times now - Even if he gets kicked out of the espada once again, he has proven to be a wonderful villain <--- Me? Biased? HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT!!

Zomari: Byakuya is uber-cool. We get the idea enough Kubo, thanks for getting us hyped on a character who had ALL, and I mean ALL the signs of a high ranking espada just to kill him in ... 3 chapters

Grimmy: He should die. Nouf said...

Nnoitra: He will die... he too has potential, but remember: Bleach is business. If he were to kill Kenpachi, a whole mob of angry fans would skin Kubo alive... Let's hope he at least goes down in a decent way...

As for the others, trust me on this, they will ALL live through Hueco Mundo :)

[WatanukiXXX]

Good thoughtage Kolbertt !

Hmmm Espada that will die.

Ulquiorra because i see him becoming all besotted with Orihime and sacrificing himself for her...or some other crap

Grimmjow dying because he became all besotted with Ichigo and sacrificed himself for him...or some other crap

Aaroniero to deal with Rukia's past. Never mind that the role could have been played by any other Arrancar. Kubo just wanted to kill off Noveno Espada because he was out of ideas.

Nnoi is certainly gonna die. Unrepentant

Old Man...he has to die if Kubo wants fans to keep on reading

Stark...i hope he lives. At the same time i can see Stark dying in a glorious last-man-standing fashion. He will fight for his pride and die a warrior

Yammi...killed by his fellow arrancar for being stupid.

On who lives

Wonderweiss is a good candidate. Kubo already killed Luppi, the only kid/teen/juvenile Espada. Won't make sense to kill another unless Kubo just really favours the SS and views the Arrancar as throwaway characters

Halibel
Yeah she will live somehow.

[Rain]

Kolbertt- lol, yammy probably did brib kubo (with girlie mags)

Watanuki- yes, perfect reasoning for the old espada to die

I was on another bleach website, and saw this one crack theory that was too crack to not share. it said that yammy and halibel are brother and sister:D

it is possible, and could explain why he is still alive (aside from him being the primero espada:yell)

[WatanukiXXX]

Brother and sister? lol I guess someone misses the Bleach more than we do :p

Yammi's continued existence better not be a plothole. Then again it will be fun to see who aces their reading comprehension 101 - Wonderweiss or Yammi. I'm betting on the kid. :D

If Kubo places Yammi (or Arrancar-Ji for that matter ) as Primero then that is a definite hint that he has lost the will to live and wants his fans to put him out of his misery. Preferably by a slow and torturous death :hm

[stark espada]

I gotta agree with xxx on that hole brother thing because I mean who ever thought of that has far to much time on there hands.

and I agree with rain I mean the sign is there that yammi is the first espada I mean he has a one and the 0 could just be paint on him watch the old guy will end up being 10:D :rofl

but xxx I like your idea and that would be a great way for stark to go out dieing the warriors way. but I would not like to see him pass on tell the winter war that would be a good thing is if aizen is still around at the time and he falls and stark makes the last stand thats how I think he should go in a short way.

yammi should live though and so should halibel and AA should have beaten rukia and went on to live he had potential I think.

[Hiraga]

Can I join in, too?

[Rasziel]

Sure!! Do join in! The problem with this FC is that the owner has been MIA for months now...

We should really do the new version anytime soon...

[stark espada]

Sure!! Do join in! The problem with this FC is that the owner has been MIA for months now...

We should really do the new version anytime soon...

who will start it I could and call it the las noches fc are the arrancar fc

[Rain]

Hiraga- welcome to the FC

Kolbertt- yea, I know we need a new version. I just feel that since we're so close to finishing this one, waiting a little longer won't make a difference:p

but maybe once BA's slow down time is fixed (it should be in the next few days) I'll make a new version

[Higasino Isley]

Welcome to the FC,Hiraga-chan!

I agree with Kolbertt,the owner has been disappeared a long time ago (no refresh),we shouldn't wait,hurry up,and make the new version,Rain-san!
And yeah stark espada,The Arrancar FC would be more suitable name for this FC than the actual naming.

[stark espada]

so do you want me to make the arrancar fc ill fallow the order this one has been doing

[Rain]

i'll make it now, since all the active members seem to want it:p

as for the name I was thinking...

nuevo y mejorado: the arrancar FC

pretty good, right:D

[stark espada]

arrancar fc would be fine but putting it in Spanish might make it hard for others to find

ps:if you making it I call co owner

[Rasziel]

It'll be the same if we put: The Arrancar FC. We have some other FC titles in spanish and that does not hinder it's growth...

Just go with it Rain!!

And a side note; I propose that the claimed characters are reset! :p

[stark espada]

you mean that thing at the front of this list

[Rain]

I just PM'd space to see if we could get the new version (just because I can)

stark- i was going to make you a co-owner anyway:p along with kolbertt and watanuki (you guys have been here the longest)

Kolbertt- i was thinking the same:D but i want to see how things go first

[Rasziel]

Hahaha! I'd say we've been the most active - Seriously, like the last three pages or so have been ourselves and our replies to one another :p

But WTF; let's hope the new version attracts more people

[stark espada]

Kolbertt-I think I and you are close but you might beat me by a bit.

rain-I really hope we get to and hey right now we should post who we want to be for the thing like that thing in front might be a good idea

and the three of us would be the best idea for co-owners.

[Higasino Isley]

Rain-san and next co-owners!I have a question!

Owner of this FC wrote:"Help yourself choosing which arrancar would you like to be enlisted."
Well,there will be new Arrancar-character-choices in the next version too or not?
Coz,I couldn't really answer accurately the "Who is which Arrancar?" question.Rain-san surely will be suitable for owner,and there will be everything is distinct here,at least I hope.^^

[Rain]

At first I was slightly hesitant to re-pick characters, but considering so many people picked one then never posted again, or haven't posted in months they shouldn't hold on to a character:D

stark- yea, since we still have a few pages left in this version, we can re-pick our characters now:p

Higasino- right now every arrancar is available, pick any you would like

i'm going to keep Yammy:p
i'm going out on a limb saying that stark-espada would like to have stark, but that isn't offical until he asks for it

other than that, all members can pick any arrancar character, all are currently open (in my mind at least:p)

FYI- all the members from this FC will be moved over into the next one, but as regular unseated hollows:D if thats what you want, then thats fine, but if you want a character, then you have to pick one

[stark espada]

alright rain since you went with yammi I am going with stark if that is not open I am going with gin

also yeah that is one of the main idea's to re do the character thing.

[Rasziel]

SZAYEL!!! I PICK SZAYEL!

[Rain]

Taken seats

Yammy (by me:yell)
Szayel (by kolbertt)
Stark (by stark, how'd i see that coming)

also, if possible, i'd like to avoid anyone taking aizen, tousen or gin, because they are not arrancar, and thus, are not as cool:D

[Higasino Isley]

Higasino- right now every arrancar is available, pick any you would like

i'm going to keep Yammy:p
i'm going out on a limb saying that stark-espada would like to have stark, but that isn't offical until he asks for it

other than that, all members can pick any arrancar character, all are currently open (in my mind at least:p)

FYI- all the members from this FC will be moved over into the next one, but as regular unseated hollows:D if thats what you want, then thats fine, but if you want a character, then you have to pick one

Rain-saaaaan!:)

IT SOUNDS VERY WELL!!!:DI just like it!Oh,and now,I'm going to go sleep,but tomorrow I will thinking about my character!
Grimmjow-sama and Ilforte are the favs!And Szayel-chan of course,but i think the Octava Espada's seat will be Kolbertt's.I don't know,just was a thought^^

[stark espada]

rain every one saw me taking that seat
I also saw kolbertt taking grantz
yeah I guess not one taking gin and the rest would not be a good idea

[Rasziel]

Yeaah!! My twisted bizarre fantasy of becoming one with Szayel has became true (at least in this FC _p)

Now, all that remains is to have fill the remaining pages with useless info :)

Edit: Me? Taking Szayel's seat? Ja! Everyone saw that coming from the very moment the new FC was discussed :P

[stark espada]

do we have to fill up a certain amount of pages to meat a quota are something like that?

ps:rain might as well give space luppi seeing as space will more then likely wanna be luppi.

[Higasino Isley]

All right,Kolbertt-san!:D If you will be Szayel-chan (or you will have the seat of Szayel),then I will be Grimmjow-sama in the next version!:)

[Rasziel]

@StarK: Naa, it's just a matter of who posts first- there's no page quota

@Hisagino: Uh... For a second I thought you'd be Ilforte -_- That means there will be no Grantzest for a while in the FC - Though Grimmy is still cool :p


Just for Knowing; how will the FC deal with Ex-Espadas like Nel?

And a bit on topic...Can anyone see Future espadas coming??

[stark espada]

so here it is so far

kolbertt(grantz)
rain(yammy)
Higasino Isley(grimmjow)
stark espada(stark) *what a surprise*


the maybes just kiinda guessing what they would want not 100%

spacecat(luppi)
watanuki(halibel or AA)


also yes I can see wonderwice becoming like the new 9th are 7th espada possibly 5th but could not see him doing any other spots epically 4 or up and also could see others taking over in fact if telsa had not been cut down I could have seen him taking like the 9th seat.

[Tenonee]

Gantebein! Gimme Gantebein!

Just for Knowing; how will the FC deal with Ex-Espadas like Nel?

In what sense? Like if people can "be" them? If we are still their fans? Either way I think they should be just as much a part of the fan club as anyone else, after all they're still hollows and we love hollows :hug

[Higasino Isley]

@Hisagino: Uh... For a second I thought you'd be Ilforte -_- That means there will be no Grantzest for a while in the FC - Though Grimmy is still cool :p


Hang on the minute,Kolbertt-san(Szayel-chan:p)!

I don't even know,that what will be my real choice!
My previous post,yeah,this was an inconsiderate act.:D Well,i will be Grimmjow or Ilforte!I promise you I will choose 2morrow!
And yeah,Grantzest FTW!:yell

[Rasziel]

What I can see happening:

Yammy survives th